The Fox of Florence | The Life & Times of Machiavelli (ft. Blue from OSP!)
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2017
- Happy Black Friday, U.S.A.! Have a nearly eight minute long video for the same everyday low low price. And all you other countries, you can watch it too I guess. Turns out the method to Machiavelli's madness was mollifying mad Medici after a mountain of madness above the Mediterranean. Special thanks to Blue for lending me his expertise on the subject and coming in to talk about Machiavelli's writing. No discussion on Machiavelli would be complete without it, and chances are I wouldn't have been able to do it without him. That means don't expect any more videos in excess of five and a half minutes, ya hear?
Footnotes:
2:20 The link in question: • Armchair History: The ... I'm telling you, half the research for this video was watching OSP videos. Bare in mind though that the reputation of the Borgia might be a result of history being written by the victors. Consider this article a grain of salt: www.historytoday.com/alexander...
3:15 Actually it was a mix of plays, poems, and novels, but you get the idea.
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I'll never forget the day my political philosophy teacher asked us if we thought Machiavelli was wrong, and no one raised their hand. We went around the room, all of us saying more or less, "Yeah, it's kind of shitty, but that's how politics works." He really wanted someone to disagree, for someone to argue the limitations on the utility of violence... you've never seen a man look so dejected in your life. I think he wanted to see some kind of optimism. It just wasn't there.
chrisserrificvirgin professor vs the chad students
Too much GOT
You should buy him Game of Thrones.
@malcador the sigillite isnt marxism partly about violently sizing the means of production
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That's basically just Step 1, but in this context, yes you're right.
"Aren't you a Cardinal?"
"I mean uhhh.. I dunno."
Oh god, I chose the wrong time to drink..
Edmeister is that a wild miyamoto mushashi
Machiavelli to Bush: I see you read my book when you started the Iraq war to keep the world price of the lifeblood of modern economies from becoming tumultuous.
Machiavelli to Obama: I see you read my book when you started war in Syria to gain exclusive rights to piping, and turning Libya into a failed state to keep the petro-dollar deal as the sole way to obtain oil, lending your currency legitimacy, as well as further cementing it's value as a basket currency.
Me: If you were vulnerable enough to fall to his deceptions and want such a large government capable of hosting and funding such eclectic pursuits, you deserve what follows. Millennial peers do not deserve my Gen Z respect. "B-but I don't pay attention..." "so that makes it better? you create a massive government and give it massive power, only to never take the time out of your day to look into your own party's and government's institutionally intrinsic interests?"
I want that drunk Pope to have his own TV show, where he just yells at European rulers. Awesome video by the way!
I wonder what he would say to hitler
Minecraft Engineer1971 you did nothing wrong
The Drunk Pope will be the sequel to the young pope and the new pope
You can try it 😂
Thought that was you, the Irish animator guy, you're probably my favorite channel, if it's not Atlas Pro, can't decide, this guy's good too, fun style, just found it, any ways keep up the good work on your channel.
And he helped Ezio kill the Templars
Yep. With Leonardo Davinci's help :-)
Funny, in game Lionheart: Legacy of the Crusader assassins tried to kill him.
@@user-jq3xk2ft5pLa Volpe tried to assassinate Machie boy in AC2 as well
@@TheHelghast1138 da vinki?
Concerning the Prince, there's also the take on it that Machiavelli wrote so that ordinary people (well, at least those that could read in the 16th century) might be more aware of the tricks rulers/monarchs etc. use to gain and stay in power.
Which I think is why the Medici didn't like it very much.
@@JohnDoe-xv9du Although wasn't it written in italian (which the common people could read)?
@@JohnDoe-xv9du that is just straight up not true, people were able to read their own language, not write it maybe but defo read it.
EyeLean5280 and the church. We need to remember that he criticized the moral view that the church had for men in politics.
@@user-we8bl6jf8f don't know if u would read this since is kind of necroposting, but just to let you know at the time there was no kind of Italian language. Every bit of the peninsula had its own dialect (we still do, btw I'm Italian myself), which are between themselves completely different languages, since the south was heavily influence by Spanish, Arab and French dominance while the north was its own thing with all different influences, from the Austrians to the French again. Macchiavelli was Tuscan, and so he used Tuscan dialect which is the one the national Italian language came from (yes, we kinda said "fuck off" to all the other dialects but still, some regional word got through). So, to conclude my ex cursus, no it wasn't meant to be understand by every Italian because even if they were capable of reading they had still to learn the dialect if they weren't Tuscans
The one thing I like about Machiavelli is that he used examples from history to make points in his book The Prince. Other philosophers before and after him used "reason" and "arguments" without proof that such things would work. By at least looking at history Machiavelli could at least give proof to his arguments showing what worked and what didn't.
Well, at least kingdoms in Italy are consistent.
They've been switching sides since the middle ages.
Jonah Hensley IM DEAD XD
Lol
From the Germans to the spanish and the French, very consistent
Even the Italian mob works the same lol. Italy sucks basically 🤷🏽♂️
@@naysaynetwork5271 just imagine thinking that in history italy was the only nation that during the middle ages changed sides ,each republic changed allies at every chance...we are talking of times where to own a land you had to marry someone you have never seen. France did it too, germany, spain...a bit everyone licking the pope's asses....
No mention of the most important message Machiavelli wanted to get across in The Prince:
DO NOT HIRE MERCENARIES!!!
How did I get so lucky in finding this channel. It's gold
Machiavelli Did not invent the ideas in his book. He simply observe what the successful rulers did, and described it in his book advising the reader to follow the example of successful leaders.
So a political scientist.
@@thelinedrive Yes.
Usually the one who popularizes it through a novel or play or movie gets the credit. Even though almost all writing is compiling various ideas from others together. That's why media is influential.
Did he say Machiavelli invented those ideas at some point in the video?
"Historia magistra vitae est"
LOVE the Assassin's Creed soundtrack in the background!!!!
Bill Bliss yes, I'm not crazy. Thank hood
God*
Where is the AC soundtrack because i have watched the thing 50 times and i haven't heard anything
@@mackenziewolfe5009 starting with 4:55
It's that theme that plays when you walk around the streets of Florence.
I take “The Prince” as being a book less about trying to give advice to rulers and more about trying to expose and explain what politicians do.
Ultimately, the people in power aren’t those who do what’s right or what’s wrong, but what’s necessary. I think that was Machiavelli’s message.
So sometimes it’s good to sacrifice the few for the good of the many?
Punkwrestle I should be more specific. The people in power are those who do what’s necessary to stay in power.
To a large degree that means keeping nobles happy at the expense of the common people.
LEFT4BASS So it would behoove the person in charge to have an assassin on the payroll who can make the killings look like accidents and can take out those nobles opposes to your rule, so you can replace them with someone loyal.
@@punkwrestle yeah. That sound like a good idea in a medieval kingdom.
@@dariobarboni9276 Ever wonder why a lot of Putin’s enemies suffer tragic accidents, like drinking polonium shakes?
I like how casually he says “Pretty soon they hugged it out and then they both *died* .”
What about the Rousseau interpretation that the "Prince" is a satire by Machiavelli to show that monarchy only brings out the worst in its rulers and that republics were where it was at?
+PoseidonXIII Also an interesting interpretation! I probably should have mentioned that
Thanks! I had an awesome history professor you taught me that and it's made me doubt everything I thought I knew about Machiavelli. Course she really liked Rousseau, making her a bit biased I guess, but it checks out with the historical context. But almost everyone who talks about Machiavelli and reads the prince now don't seem to see it that way which makes me just more confused.
Good point, Poseidon! La Mandragola is satyrical; so, it would make sense that M's book is too.
@@spanoza Lads, ya pays ya money and ya takes ya pick!!!! Maybe they're all correct. I'm sure you know this line from Walt Whitman, "Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large; I contain multitudes."
While the mandragola surely was a satire, I would avoid to give interpretations to the prince. Here in Italy the results were disastrous ( Mussolini commented one of the book edition in the 30's) or misleading( Gramsci tried to follow Rousseau's path) .
he should make a video on ceasare borgia
yup
@@enderdd2063 forgot to switch accounts?
Machiavelli is he really the inspiration for Littlefinger of Game of Thrones.
3:52 You know who you are are.
Me: *Starts Sweating*
People who only know WW1/WW2: Wait, Italy is switching sides?
Renaissance Italy: always has been
Nicky Machiavelli, let me tell you what he said; you wanna use the reins of power? First you gotta use your head.
A Bronx Tale musical
Deep
And you thought that European history was complicated and full of wars? HA! Let me introduce you to 476 - 1861 Italy.
Go on...
@Alvi Syahri No. Chinese.
And to an extent, 1861 - PRESENT Italy. A lot less war, but just as much complicated (as a british person I'm used to what is effectively one party politics, so from such a perspective italian politics looks downright insane)
@@venmis137 the whole of Italy is and has been downright insane. I truthfully believe that the people living in a peninsula that had just seen a gigantic millennial empire disappear and foreign rulers duke it out all over the rubbles had to adapt to protect themselves by molding into a chaotic mess of unrulable lords. My favourite example was the various campaigns of the great Barbarossa down Italy, as soon as one city allied with him like a hundred more revolted against, all cities who then promptly switched sides all over lol
I love both channels, but having Blue speak at length after five minutes of Jack is like watching the Usain Bolt race against an old lady.
That old lady has nuggets!
If you want to read Machiavelli, go for the Discourses. The prince is everywhere already, and the Discourses is a magnificent book about people, statecraft, institutions, and history
Jack Rackam, I love your videos (and those of Red and Blue), and I watch them over and over again. Please, keep 'em coming!!!!!
New videos are on the way! Slowly, mind you, but they'll be here!
Another important aspect of Macchiavelli's political theory, that people often overlook, is that rulers should get their legitimacy via their competence instead of the grace of god, which was a seldom position in his time and probably the main reason why he got that immoral, scheming image, because the church wasn't too happy about this claim
This overly sarcastic productions crossover has sold me
Does that mean implementing the "dictatorial power" from the ancient roman republic with strong centralized government.
Oh boi, this will get spicy
"Italy Belgium" i understood that reference!!! hahaha.
Yes blue!
Reading a book about Leonardo Da Vinci and learned that he and Machiavelli spent the winter of 1502-03 in Cesare Borgia’s town of Imola.
Bet that was tense
And well composed and equally well delivered. I enjoyed it and was edified.
Excellent as always Jack, please never stop making videos! :D
Ah the good old AC 2-Brotherhood days. Good gimes
it all went to shit after they killed off Desmond :c
I love well reaserched channels with cult followings because they are always so supportive of one another, cogitos down there and im willing to bet so is history house. Jack dont ever give up.
Mate compared to where this channel started I'm already feeling like I've made it 😄
But all the same, I appreciate the support
This is my fav channel! Thank u! I see much effort and many details into it. And yeah I'm Italian lol Continua così!
Great video, thanks for doing my suggestion!
Bought “The Prince” this month and this is the first video I see in my recommended today.
“You know who you are.”
Damn I got called out so casually there.
Loving it brother !! Keep it up
You, sir, make awesome videos! Bravo!
Another beautiful video
Dude, I like your style! You have that Gilliam-esque style that can be hard to nail.
I approve!
Thanks, man!
This video made me reconsider this guy. Nice job. Funny video.
A crossover with Blue! Awesome! 😃
Jack stacking racks has me watching all these while I'm lightweight sick because it's so damn entertaining
You have a great youtube channel and so continue
I’d die for a video on the Demedici family
Oh Yes best history Channel On UA-cam
I loved this thank you
Every couple of years I have this history nerd phase, and everytime man, I end up back here XD
“So you have no excuses not to read it. You know who you are”
Me: * knowing I skimmed through the prince when it was assigned for one of my college classes * “idk what you’re talking about jack 😬”
Did he love Rome like how blue loves Venice
More so, if you can imagine
@@dylanchouinard6141
I can't.
Love the little nod to Red at the end. 😂
Gets done watching osp, finds a random video *is still watching osp*
great video
Quality work, as usual.
This is literally my favorite story/drama in EU history
Oh yeah, I got that ACII reference I was expecting.
Who came from Overly Sarcastic Productions?!?! xD
Nice total war sound track at the end there.
If you read Machiavelli's "The Prince" and your conclusion is that he advocates ruling in a way that is full of schemes and backstaberry, you've interpreted it entirely wrong. He writes about how to be an effective ruler in 15th/16th century Italy, bearing first witness to the chaotic political climate then. He perfectly analysed how Florence and other states were being led, and basically sums up traits and points of interest which a successful ruler has to have in order to manage a prosperous state there and then. That it does involve a lot of plotting and lying is a necessity, not an ideal.
Okay nevermind, I didn't see the last 10 seconds. I'm still not going to delete that comment because it took me like 5 minutes.
I ' ve always had more of a feeling that the book is a ruse or an exposure by satire. Some of Machiavelli advice seemed destructive to the lords who used it, like abandoning mercenaries and relied on the subjects. Cesare Borgia is a failed prince-wanna-be, why emulate a loser?
Most of the renaissance humanists loved ancient Rome more than the people around them.
7:07
Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are.
Can you please do the next one on Stephen the Great or Michael the Brave?
You guys underplayed just how much Machiavelli loved the Ancient Rome. At home he used to recite speeches of Roman senators while wearing a toga....
Never in my life, had I ever heard the phrase "Screw the Pope. Kick his ass!" And never have I smiled so hard when hearing it.
Small “feet.” 🤣 I love the fast puns.
Regards of me having taken Art History and learning about what was going on in Florence Italy I completely forgot it until now. Thank you Hurry yay !!!
Why is the outro so familiar with? I can't seem to remember whose song I used to listen after?
So, uh . . . yeah! 💕
I'll get around to it!
so good
I'm reading The House of Niccolo now and watching this video felt like spoilers lol
3:31-3:37 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 Never have truer words been spoken.
magnifique
I think he wrote The Prince as a sarcastic criticism. Nobody openly says, "Be corrupt!" The advice he was giving was what everyone was already doing.
The image of him being a Roman Empire fanboy is honestly just adorable
Chillin like a Machiavillain
Totally subtle Assassin's Creed II music in the background
2:50 that's pretty much the summery of French History.
I love crossovers.
Wait, I thought the Prince was a satire about what a good ruler ought not to do...
That's one interpretation, yes
At 6:26 you used that Assassins Creed soundtrack :^)
Am I the only one who noticed?
Is it weird that 1. the summary ends with "so yeah", which also counts as the Trope Talk ending catchphrase, and 2. I really want to make a meme using the "No time for jokes, I'm afraid" part?
1. That was 100% intentional
2. Go right on ahead!
Wow cool
When I first heard of Machiavelli in the 1st semester in college, I immediately thought, "Does that have anything to do with Prince Matchabelli?
So, _The Prince_ was published in 1532 (1527 + 5 years later) and Hobbes' _Leviathan_ wasn't published until 1561, three decades later. That's crazy! Every time I think something is crazy old, so it must be the first, nope, there's something older and first-er.
This is very American of be to be shocked that history goes all the way back to the early 1500s. But really, I'm just a little fascinated at the beginnings of the Age of Enlightenment.
I should probably learn something about Francis Bacon next...
Machiavelli's "History of Florence" is pretty good as well.
Interesting
you are so good. Do you write your stuff?
6:55 “Itaaly is a veri stoung countri, because, it is so weak”
You have to do Alkibiades
Jack Rackam: "For once, a small book has a big impact on world history"
The Communist Manifesto: "Am I a joke to you?"
I've never read the Communist Manifesto and, alas, unaware of its length
Alvi Syahri Because it has show to be such a complete and utter failure?
Alvi Syahri Technicality neither one was an actual Communist Country, both were dictatorships, under communism, the community would rule the country and decisions would come from the community, not from dictators.
The trouble is for that to work everyone must be altruistic and do things for the good of the community instead of the good of the self. Every time a real communist society(usually 30-40 people) was created it failed. People haven’t evolved into a state where they care more for society than they do for themselves.
Think of how many people in the US were just protesting against the stay at home orders. Not one of them showed any concern for people with weakened immune systems. Until that mentality changes communism can never work.
@Alvi Syahri Since it existed China has been a dictatorship . Now they say they are communist but nothing really has changed . Simply now communism is the new "dinasty" . China has surely incorporated something from communism , but not a lot.
Small feet and a Lass killed me.
If you notice, the majority of the advice presented in the Prince stresses good statesmanship and avoiding similar blunders and unrealistic expectations while keeping the citizenry happy, safe, and relatively corruption-free. Most of the advice is shockingly reasonable, albeit presented bluntly and cynically.
In fact, the only reason why it was so maligned by history was that it addressed the real-world realities of ruling and did not give advice based on the accepted Christian idealism of the inherent virtues of the nobility that was considered proper to discuss at the time. His sin was essentially breaking the enforced illusion of the God-guided overclass among the common folk and exposing politics for what it was.
people who call the book satire misunderstand Machiavelli's earnest intent of ensuring that the new ruling class will be good for Florence and not lead the country into incompetent and decedent chaos
I’ve actually read “The Prince”
7:18 What's this? Jack, YOU killed Machiavelli?!
" the warrior Pope " hilarious
Glad to see someone has better reading comprehension skills than Frederick the Great. Nice video.
Oops, I commented too soon, At 3:43, you tell a real whopper of a lie. Machiavelli didn't sit down and write the Prince, it was merely a synopsized version of the parts of The Discourses on the First Ten Books of the Histories of Titus Livius that focused on the positive elements and potential pitfalls of monarchy, with enhancements designed specifically to stroke Lorenzo's ego. Pretty obvious fail there.
I hope you do a collaboration with Feature History.
+Mauricio Castro I have, actually! We didn't appear in each other's videos, but my video on Tokugawa Ieyasu was made as a compliment to his video on the Meiji Restoration.
Jack Rackam it was a great video
You should do otto von bismarch!