Supposing Hungary would actually win, the Germans in Austria would be left with a lesser burden and possibly unite with Germany in the future, strengthening the German Empire. And Italy could possibly push for more, and the Brother's War would definitely be won by Prussia who could also push for more from the crumbling Austrians
If Russia never helped Austria, I could see three differnet scenarios: 1. Franz Joseph listens to Austrian general Haynau's advice and gets help from Radetzky's Italian troops to crush the Hungarian Revolution. 2. Austria gets help from the German Confederation (including Prussia). Remember, both Austria & Prussia hated liberalism and the German Confederation, a defensive alliance like NATO, once threatened the Italian rebels for full intervention if they captured Trieste in 1848. So, if the Hungarians captured Vienna, the Hungarians would have to face the entire German Confederation, which is like Russia fighting NATO. 3. Neither thing happens, Hungary declares victory, the Austrian Empire collapses, and the remaining German parts simply unite with Germany earlier.
It seems kinda odd that in this timeline Austria would sit that war out then later bend the knee to those 2 powers. With victory basically assured, Austria would likely join in Crimea to get a cut of the action out of fear of what would happen if the Prussian/Russian forces won.
If Austria loses Germany to Prussia and the Balkans to Russia, basically being threatened on all sides, would they really ally with this Prussia and Russia? They have nothing to win and everything to lose. Wouldn't they make an alliance with the West to preserve their influence ? Then a WW1 scenario with Austria getting attacked on all sides and having the longest front ever would be disastrous for the Entente to preserve.
@@jameslight4391 If the Balkans aren't a powder keg between Austria and Russia, maybe a crisis in Africa like Agadir. Or to stay with the theme of this scenario, a polish national kills a Russian royal, that sparks heavy repressions in Poland and maybe action from the Entente. If the two alliances form, they only need the opportunity to have the War, any casus belli will do, not necessarily a genuine cause.
@@arthurbriand2175 if Poland is under Russian influence during this, I don't see why other countries would care. they didn't in our timeline during the polish uprising
There's a few things to take into consideration, the United Kingdom had Naval Supremacy, The Crimean War was not won (solely by land battles) but because the United Kingdom blockaded and openly threatened the bombardment of St.Petersburg. I'd say that it would be likely that Austria would remain Neutral and the Allied Powers would still have logistical and other main issues on the Crimean Frontline, but the situation would eventually be detoured by the Naval Power the British would exercise towards the Russians and Prussians, in fact Prussia and the United Kingdom, were very closely bonded mainly because of political marriages and alliances planned during the timeline, the UK was rather fond of Prussia and vice-versa back them (Edit: Another worthy consideration is that Prussia didn't gain the Rhineland and/or the Ruhr, the Industrial heartland of Germany, so they wouldn't really be as powerful economically and technologically in this timeline as they were back in our timeline.)
Honestly, I can't see Austria staying neutral with Russia having Prussia as an ally, since Russia would be far more likely to win. Austria would side with Russia in order to get stuff for themselves instead of being left behind.
@@InfernosReaper And Austria would simply allow the Russians and Prussians gain hegemony over the European continent and destroy the Balance of Power? Austria doesn't have ANYTHING to gain having a stronger Prussia and Russia, it's literally a threaten to the very existence of the Austrian Empire.
@@InfernosReaper Russia was already seen as the "protector of the slavs and orthodox christians" how would Austria benefit from making Russia a stronger power considering all the Czech, Slovak, Slovenian, Croatian, Serbian and Ukrainians inside its borders... Or the Prussians threatening to gain full hegemony over the German Confederation? Seems like shooting their own feet
I doubt the Crimean War would even happen (if at all) like it did in our timeline. I also doubt that Russia could just loose so quickly to a random revolt in Poland and that the war wouldn’t cause dramatic shifts in European politics to where the events that happen by 1840 would even be close to our world.
@@coatofarms4439 And I also very much doubt Britain would actually lose the Crimean War to Poor Agrarian Peasant Society Russia, they might have had the population and made some significant technological army advancements, but in the end of the day, France and Britain would've stretched their muscles and Russia would fall anyways (not taking consideration of Prussia for this scenario)
The Crimean war part is where this gets a bit unrealistic 1:Even if Russia would win it still couldn't carve up the Balkans as it pleases unless it wants to be the target of an even larger coalition 2:Alexander only pushed through reforms with the support of the aristocracy BECAUSE of the bitter defeat,so in this timeline they wouldn't be so eager
I would say that Prussia annexing all that land wouldn't happen, maybe more that in OTL closer to the nazis in ww2, but not that much. That land includes Warsaw, which wouldn't make a lot of sense for Poland not to own.
How would this effect the return of Napoleon. Might a Russia being isolated by the other major powers (and firmly opposed by the new Bourbon regime) feel inclined to humor Napoleon when he returned from Elba and took his post as Emperor again? In that case, Prussia may be a bit too distracted to help at Waterloo, what with the Russians pushing in to their east.
Tsar Alexander is underrated for his sheer power politics. He forced the powers that be to recognize him as an Emperor in defeat. He had a good personal relationship with Napoleon. He would recognize Napoleon as a royal and he would renegotiate the terms of Russian/French alliances.
@JohnSmith-rk7zy you know I actually think that could happen if the Crusader Knights that were in charge of Tunisia in the 11th century managed to spread out conquer more parts of North Africa and centuries later maybe during the Reformation for the Thirty Years War they could take Naples, and if Naples conquered Italy, they would get more colonies in North Africa So, in that scenario you get just a bigger Italy with more North Africa
If you want to know another instance of Russia almost starting World War 1 early, just look up the journey of the Baltic fleet during the Russo-Japanese, that whole thing was just pure chaos and it was a miracle a world war didn’t occur because of that fleet.
Wait! Hold on! What about the Ottoman Empire? After losing Constantinople, which city will be chosen as the new capital? And now that the Empire's European's territories is most likely limited to just Crete and Cyprus, will it still be considered a European power? And due to Russia's victory and Germany sided with Russia here, does this mean the stronger alliance between Britain and the Ottoman Empire in this timeline, thus making the Ottoman Empire the pro-British state?
And would losing all the Balkans allow the Ottomans to fall back on their core and reform or just collapse and become a third grade power? They still would have some power of interference in the Dardanelles and in the Aegean if they want to annoy the Russians.
@@arthurbriand2175 And with the British helping them to prevent access to the Suez Canal, the high change of the Anglo-Turkish Allied Forces against the Russian fleet is highly possible as well.
@@lerneanlion The Russians would anticipate that and build a meditteranean fleet from their holdings in the Balkans and Greece. That would be their major investment with Britain as a looming threat.
@@arthurbriand2175 However, Britian and Russia will also be vying for the influence in Greece as well. With Britain usually tried to goad the Greek government into launching an attempt to reclaim Constantinople, the city that is rightfully belonged to them, while Russia will most likely resort to all tactics possible such as marriage alliance, offering union between both countries with Constantinople as the capital and even the claims for Anatolia, Crete and Cyprus in an attempt to revive the Roman Empire.
In my opinion the Persians would have joined the coalition as the Russians annexed most of the Caucasus except for Armenia and iranian azerbaijan 2 years prior to napoleons defeat.
i've always wondered, what would've happened if lithuania DIDN'T choose to unite with poland into the polish lithuanian commonwealth? like, what if we chose to unite with somebody else? russia or sweden? how would this have changed our history? would we have become stronger, weaker? maybe we would have influenced the russians or the swedes? what if we still had a king (instead of the grand duke) heading into the new world? what if the pope had given us permission to become "the romans of the north" (because in our history, it is said that the lithuanians hailed from the romans). just some alt hist things, y'know?
I'd have dwelt a bit more on 1848. Hungary, trying to break off from Austria, would have been a natural Polish ally. With Prussia and Russia busy suppressing the Poles, Hungary might have successfully broken free of Vienna, dangerously changing the balance of power in central Europe.
@@enitivy exactly! And this is very important thing. Behind the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was trade agreement, USSR provided to Germany coal, food, some metals and most precious thing - oil. As you can guess with German invasion to USSR this trade stopped, also USSR used scorched earth tactics where it was possible... So Germany got into blockade just like in WW1, you probably gonna say something about Romanian oil... But actually it won't able to cover German needs already in early 1942, that's why plan Blau started, Hitler hoped to get oil from Baku, main Soviet source at the time. Also thanks to British naval supremacy, especially the convoy system, leand- lease reached USSR. Most of trucks, automobiles...in Soviet army were American, also there was food, raw materials, even tanks and airplanes... Soviet aces loved Aerocobras.
@@alexzero3736 source? Lend lease made only 5% of soviet production so it wasn't important much, USA wouldn't do nothing and would launch it's navy against axis
I disagree with this assessment. For starters that man you mentioned the dude who said Poland would revolt if their was a polish king declared, well how? How does that man have the influence to launch a revolt at any moment though some arbitrary statement. Not to mention how would the average pol even know it’s like 1810 in the middle Poland there’s no way in hell they’d know when to revolt and at what time. It’s highly unlikely Poland would revolt. Also your forgetting an old friend, napoleon. What happens when he comes back? The bourbons are for sure again going to overthrown like they were in our timeline, and napoleon would actually be in better shape now too because there’s a chance he might actually be able to negotiate with the coalition for peace since they’re at war with Russia and making a little gains and if he doesn’t he’ll likely win all his battles against whatever armies the coalition sends to France, I mean he almost won at Waterloo image that senerio again but with a smaller British force and no Prussian reinforcements he’d easily win and probably push all the way to the rhine River and before trying to negotiate a better treaty one where this time he pushes for the ‘natural borders’ peace he keeps all the land he took. I think it’s far more likely that Russia and napoleon hold there ground and just mange to keep their territory by simply outlasting the collisions will to fight and using their home field advantage as well as fortifications they will have established as soon as possible. The war would probably end 2-3 years after it erupted after the collation forces realize that their barley making(if any) ground Russians defenses blocking any meaningful advance into Poland and napoleons genius crushing anyone who marches past the rhine river couple that if with them having to split their armies in half and yeah they’re not winning the war that’s for sure. In this senrioe the British, Prussians and Austrians would lose and later on the main significance of the war would it be it allowed napoleon to raise to power again and actual reason the war started would be over shadowed over that
The thing is, Russia had more trooos, than rest of the Great Powers on the continent combined. And Russian millitary, considering tough battles it gave to Napoleon, wasn't lacking behind at all nor in technologies, nor in officers. Considering that Russia will view it as an attack on it's sovereign soil like in 1812, Russian morale will most certainly be much higher, than coalitions. We can add that Austria alone suffered more casualties during coalition wars, so coalition manpower won't be great either. So, it's not even realistic, that coalition will be able to defeat Russia in a defensive war. They won't even be able to prevent Russian army from just smashing through Prussian millitary, which was 3+ times smaller than Russian, while other coalition troops didn't arrive. It just doesn't make sense in numbers. And as you pointed it out, coalition will just be doomed after Napoleons return. Napoleon tried to ally Russian tsar in our own timeline, when he send Alexander information, that coalition was formed against Russia in Europe. But, unlike in reality, this time they will forge an alliance for sure. Without the arrival of Prussian reinforcements, Napoleon will just smash English army at Waterloo, not only insuring his grip to power, but also disrupting any reinforcements from coming to safe Prussia and Austria, which, considering the opening of new front with France, will be outnumbered by Russians 2 to 1 on Eastern front, and Western front will most likely be just wide open for Napoleon. Coalition will most likely seek for peace right after the defeat on Waterloo.
@@lox000zavr yeah honestly your right, what I described sounds like best case senerio lol. Since I’m assuming it’s a deadlock with neither side able to push but now after what you said it seems vary likely Prussia and Austria would be conquered by French’s be Russian forces leaving the Brit’s as the last ones standing. This would almost recreate napoleons Europe excluding Eastern Europe and Spain.
AT THE Congress of Vienna, the Kingdom of Poland was created. The Constitution of the Kingdom of Poland of 1815 established the Kingdom of Poland as a union state with Russia, with its own king, Sejm and government.
0:36, this is incorrect, the austrians, prussians and russians were all moving towards paris in 2 seperate armys meaning napoleon couldnt engage both at the same time, one commanded by Blucher of waterloo fame and the other under schwarnburgs army of bohemia. The battle of paris had troops from all 3 nations all though the Russians did have the most troops present.
I think it's more likely that Austria help against Prussia and Russia, both to keep Prussia in check as a German rival and avoid Russia's Balkan hegemony. Also, I'm not so sure if the Scandinavian states would be neutral, Sweden-Norway very well may have ambitions on Finland, while Denmark could see joining against Prussia as an opportunity to stabilize the Shleswig-holstein question, since a Prusso-russian alliance would allow Prussia an other opportunity to contest Denmark's claim.
Tsar Alexander helped free the serfs the poor he helped them fed them clothe them. Jesus did the same thing. He had a heart like Jesus the mighty the rich the powerful the ones who suppress us all will never understand this. However the Kingdom of God belongs to the poor in spirit. Alexander was my hero, Jesus was my hero and my father almighty in heaven and earth. Alexander is a good Samaritan just as Jesus taught us to be. Don’t YOU talk about Alexander!! Trust me you don’t wanna mess with him. You all are a bunch of fools and the Rich will be cast into hellfire sooner than later for allowing people to suffer as they do. Jesus was not rich his classroom was the Sea of Galilee as well as his church. He helped the underdogs and so did Alexander!! Alexander is an Archangel now. He will be battling for us all.
i highly doubt a new polish regime would declare war on prussia either a new king is elected or the commonwealth is reinsated as a form of republic if the king is even overthrown
7:10 i don't know what to say about that. More likely that they will heavely supress the revolt and import east and south slavs(orthodoxs) to populate poland(western slavic catholics),like they did in Ukraine.
There’s no way Austria would’ve allowed Russia to dominate the Balkans with a single victory. It’s very likely that Austria would’ve threatened war against Prussia and Russia, forcing a compromise in the Balkans - I could see Greece and Serbia gaining some territory while Russia occupies the Romanian principalities, and the Ottomans keep Bulgaria, Albania, southern Serbia, and northern Greece
There is no chance of Prussia and Russia, defeating Britain and France in war , especially when Britain has just beenn involved in a war, so it has had time to build up a standing army, to supplement the Formidable French army. We are talking about the 2 most powerful navies in the World at this point
hmmmmmmmm POLAND-LITHUANIA PEOPLE DONT SAY IN THE 1900S AUSTRIAN EMPIRE THEY SAY AUSTRIAN HUNGARY EMPIRE , SO POLISH-LITHUANIA , NOT JSUT POLAND BECAUSE WTF Lithuanians we're the half of the commonwealth yeah it was mostly polish but still say it polish Lithuania thanks you ,nice videos by the ways keep em up
You know your scenario is unrealistic as fuck when you have Russia winning that hard in the Crimean war. They literally had 5x the casualty ratio, do not act like they would completely overwhelm Britian, France, and the Turks all at the same time with just the help of the Prussians.
@@bertrecht913 How? They would never be able to completely overwhelm France, GB, and the Ottoman Empire to the point of capitulation which his peace deal implies by taking Constantinople. Despite being formidable on land, how would they ever defeat Britain? Russia lost half of their army IN Crimea, no amount of Prussian troops would make an overwhelming victory possible. (estimated numbers for Prussian army numbers are around 200k-300k, while total numbers for GB, France, Ottos, is around 700k not mobilised). The most likely scenario here is that it would become a stalemate due to the Prussians aiding the Russians, not an overwhelming victory.
@@enitivy What? Russia had in both wars much more deaths than the western Allies. Please stop spreading lies... also more germans died after the wars than due the war i wonder why... also the Communism Revolution killed much more russians than the germans. Also wonder why...
First of all your anti-Russia bias resonates profoundly throughout the video, and when you add bias it stops being history and starts being a propaganda piece. And your opening comments about Tzar Alexander I together with bias reveal your ignorance about basic geopolitics and international affairs. If you had a wider knowledge about those topics and not just a chronological list of events you would probably restrain yourself from those moronic comments made in your video.
What if the Russians never helped the austrians with the Hungarian Rebellion
Wait i was going to say...in this example russian wouldn't help Austria in 1848 ☠️
Supposing Hungary would actually win, the Germans in Austria would be left with a lesser burden and possibly unite with Germany in the future, strengthening the German Empire.
And Italy could possibly push for more, and the Brother's War would definitely be won by Prussia who could also push for more from the crumbling Austrians
@@ebanydwayne1357but imagine what it could do to the Austrian empire. It going to be like the Ottoman Empire. They are going to collapse.
@@ebrimajallow9631 That's exactly what I said.
If Russia never helped Austria, I could see three differnet scenarios:
1. Franz Joseph listens to Austrian general Haynau's advice and gets help from Radetzky's Italian troops to crush the Hungarian Revolution.
2. Austria gets help from the German Confederation (including Prussia). Remember, both Austria & Prussia hated liberalism and the German Confederation, a defensive alliance like NATO, once threatened the Italian rebels for full intervention if they captured Trieste in 1848. So, if the Hungarians captured Vienna, the Hungarians would have to face the entire German Confederation, which is like Russia fighting NATO.
3. Neither thing happens, Hungary declares victory, the Austrian Empire collapses, and the remaining German parts simply unite with Germany earlier.
It seems kinda odd that in this timeline Austria would sit that war out then later bend the knee to those 2 powers. With victory basically assured, Austria would likely join in Crimea to get a cut of the action out of fear of what would happen if the Prussian/Russian forces won.
Wow quite an interesting timeline. It’s like Russia goes from keep losing to ultimate domination. Great work
Tsar Alexander was the personification of mood swings 😂
Form the way he described it, to me it seem like the Tsar was opportunistic and had no principles
Actually, Tsar Alexander wasn't a ruler of Poland, he put there his younger brother - Constantine.
but he was the one who held the title king of poland, not constantine
If Austria loses Germany to Prussia and the Balkans to Russia, basically being threatened on all sides, would they really ally with this Prussia and Russia? They have nothing to win and everything to lose. Wouldn't they make an alliance with the West to preserve their influence ? Then a WW1 scenario with Austria getting attacked on all sides and having the longest front ever would be disastrous for the Entente to preserve.
how would ww1 start?
@@jameslight4391 If the Balkans aren't a powder keg between Austria and Russia, maybe a crisis in Africa like Agadir. Or to stay with the theme of this scenario, a polish national kills a Russian royal, that sparks heavy repressions in Poland and maybe action from the Entente. If the two alliances form, they only need the opportunity to have the War, any casus belli will do, not necessarily a genuine cause.
Italy would join the central powers to gain Austrian land
@@steezywheezy4092 Maybe, or they could want to secure possessions across the adriatic in the Russian held Balkans.
@@arthurbriand2175 if Poland is under Russian influence during this, I don't see why other countries would care. they didn't in our timeline during the polish uprising
Man, the amount of times WW1 could’ve started before 1914 is insane
There's a few things to take into consideration, the United Kingdom had Naval Supremacy, The Crimean War was not won (solely by land battles) but because the United Kingdom blockaded and openly threatened the bombardment of St.Petersburg.
I'd say that it would be likely that Austria would remain Neutral and the Allied Powers would still have logistical and other main issues on the Crimean Frontline, but the situation would eventually be detoured by the Naval Power the British would exercise towards the Russians and Prussians, in fact Prussia and the United Kingdom, were very closely bonded mainly because of political marriages and alliances planned during the timeline, the UK was rather fond of Prussia and vice-versa back them
(Edit: Another worthy consideration is that Prussia didn't gain the Rhineland and/or the Ruhr, the Industrial heartland of Germany, so they wouldn't really be as powerful economically and technologically in this timeline as they were back in our timeline.)
Honestly, I can't see Austria staying neutral with Russia having Prussia as an ally, since Russia would be far more likely to win. Austria would side with Russia in order to get stuff for themselves instead of being left behind.
@@InfernosReaper And Austria would simply allow the Russians and Prussians gain hegemony over the European continent and destroy the Balance of Power? Austria doesn't have ANYTHING to gain having a stronger Prussia and Russia, it's literally a threaten to the very existence of the Austrian Empire.
@@InfernosReaper Russia was already seen as the "protector of the slavs and orthodox christians" how would Austria benefit from making Russia a stronger power considering all the Czech, Slovak, Slovenian, Croatian, Serbian and Ukrainians inside its borders...
Or the Prussians threatening to gain full hegemony over the German Confederation?
Seems like shooting their own feet
I doubt the Crimean War would even happen (if at all) like it did in our timeline. I also doubt that Russia could just loose so quickly to a random revolt in Poland and that the war wouldn’t cause dramatic shifts in European politics to where the events that happen by 1840 would even be close to our world.
@@coatofarms4439 And I also very much doubt Britain would actually lose the Crimean War to Poor Agrarian Peasant Society Russia, they might have had the population and made some significant technological army advancements, but in the end of the day, France and Britain would've stretched their muscles and Russia would fall anyways (not taking consideration of Prussia for this scenario)
I think its questionable that prussia would have united germany without the highly industrialized rhineland
The Crimean war part is where this gets a bit unrealistic
1:Even if Russia would win it still couldn't carve up the Balkans as it pleases unless it wants to be the target of an even larger coalition
2:Alexander only pushed through reforms with the support of the aristocracy BECAUSE of the bitter defeat,so in this timeline they wouldn't be so eager
That’s what gets you? He didn’t even mention napoleons return
@@Berserker3624 If I would start from there it would be a multiple page response
@@somemeansfish8987 fair enough, still it’s shocking that nobody is talking about that. Whatever happened to alternate history based in reality?
@@Berserker3624he would be crushed anyway
@@enitivy how? The Prussians played a crucial role in Waterloo with their forces being tied up in Poland the British would be isolated.
I would say that Prussia annexing all that land wouldn't happen, maybe more that in OTL closer to the nazis in ww2, but not that much. That land includes Warsaw, which wouldn't make a lot of sense for Poland not to own.
Definitely would like a pt. 2 of this scenario. Great videos.
Always a pleasure to find a new video from Josh!
How would this effect the return of Napoleon. Might a Russia being isolated by the other major powers (and firmly opposed by the new Bourbon regime) feel inclined to humor Napoleon when he returned from Elba and took his post as Emperor again? In that case, Prussia may be a bit too distracted to help at Waterloo, what with the Russians pushing in to their east.
Tsar Alexander is underrated for his sheer power politics. He forced the powers that be to recognize him as an Emperor in defeat. He had a good personal relationship with Napoleon. He would recognize Napoleon as a royal and he would renegotiate the terms of Russian/French alliances.
What if Great Britain United Germany
What if Libya united Italy ?
What if the moon United Saturn with Neptune?
@@Rowlph8888 What if Jurassic Park united pirates of the Caribbean?
@JohnSmith-rk7zy you know I actually think that could happen if the Crusader Knights that were in charge of Tunisia in the 11th
century managed to spread out conquer more parts of North Africa and centuries later maybe during the
Reformation for the Thirty Years War they could take Naples, and if Naples conquered Italy, they would get more colonies in North Africa
So, in that scenario you get just a bigger Italy with more North Africa
Note, Prussia (specially its King) was #TeamRussia as they were promised all of Saxony
I don't think Russia would lose in 1815, it had biggest GDP and strong well equipped and experienced army
I personally would like to see a part 2 expanding on this topic
If you want to know another instance of Russia almost starting World War 1 early, just look up the journey of the Baltic fleet during the Russo-Japanese, that whole thing was just pure chaos and it was a miracle a world war didn’t occur because of that fleet.
Love your videos josh! You're awesome!🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Wait! Hold on! What about the Ottoman Empire? After losing Constantinople, which city will be chosen as the new capital? And now that the Empire's European's territories is most likely limited to just Crete and Cyprus, will it still be considered a European power? And due to Russia's victory and Germany sided with Russia here, does this mean the stronger alliance between Britain and the Ottoman Empire in this timeline, thus making the Ottoman Empire the pro-British state?
And would losing all the Balkans allow the Ottomans to fall back on their core and reform or just collapse and become a third grade power? They still would have some power of interference in the Dardanelles and in the Aegean if they want to annoy the Russians.
@@arthurbriand2175 And with the British helping them to prevent access to the Suez Canal, the high change of the Anglo-Turkish Allied Forces against the Russian fleet is highly possible as well.
@@lerneanlion The Russians would anticipate that and build a meditteranean fleet from their holdings in the Balkans and Greece. That would be their major investment with Britain as a looming threat.
@@arthurbriand2175 However, Britian and Russia will also be vying for the influence in Greece as well. With Britain usually tried to goad the Greek government into launching an attempt to reclaim Constantinople, the city that is rightfully belonged to them, while Russia will most likely resort to all tactics possible such as marriage alliance, offering union between both countries with Constantinople as the capital and even the claims for Anatolia, Crete and Cyprus in an attempt to revive the Roman Empire.
@@arthurbriand2175 I personally do not see it plausible for Russian empire to be able to beat the British and Ottomans on sea
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Amazing i love it pls make part 2
It’s been a while since I’ve seen some good old fashioned alternate history. This one’s quite compelling!
Do what if Bonaparte family never fell from power
I love your channel keep up the great stuff
What if Queen Elizabeth the First of England married Ivan the Terrible of Russia
Possible history already made A video on it.
I would love it if you tried to continue the scenario.
Amazing work man
Good video
Who else wants a part 2 of this alternate history scenario?
not me
Idea for next video? What if the Decembrist uprising in 1825 succeeded and the Southern society and Pavel Pestel took over russia?
Fantastic timeline that includes historical relevance and originality
What if Ivan the sixth wasn't overthrown ? And also, Alexander 1 of Russia is illegitimate.
In my opinion the Persians would have joined the coalition as the Russians annexed most of the Caucasus except for Armenia and iranian azerbaijan 2 years prior to napoleons defeat.
i've always wondered, what would've happened if lithuania DIDN'T choose to unite with poland into the polish lithuanian commonwealth? like, what if we chose to unite with somebody else? russia or sweden? how would this have changed our history? would we have become stronger, weaker? maybe we would have influenced the russians or the swedes? what if we still had a king (instead of the grand duke) heading into the new world? what if the pope had given us permission to become "the romans of the north" (because in our history, it is said that the lithuanians hailed from the romans). just some alt hist things, y'know?
Russia-Lithuania is so cursed
I'd have dwelt a bit more on 1848. Hungary, trying to break off from Austria, would have been a natural Polish ally. With Prussia and Russia busy suppressing the Poles, Hungary might have successfully broken free of Vienna, dangerously changing the balance of power in central Europe.
I loved this video, i mean, i didn't enjoy a posible history this much from a wild a while ago
What if King Edward VIII never abdicated and never married Wallis Simpson? That would be an interesting one
Britain could be neutral in WW2, than Germany wins...
@@alexzero3736Germany would win if uk would be neutral? Are you joking or sth, cuz UK almost did nothing beside some fighting in sea
@@enitivy exactly! And this is very important thing. Behind the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was trade agreement, USSR provided to Germany coal, food, some metals and most precious thing - oil. As you can guess with German invasion to USSR this trade stopped, also USSR used scorched earth tactics where it was possible... So Germany got into blockade just like in WW1, you probably gonna say something about Romanian oil... But actually it won't able to cover German needs already in early 1942, that's why plan Blau started, Hitler hoped to get oil from Baku, main Soviet source at the time.
Also thanks to British naval supremacy, especially the convoy system, leand- lease reached USSR. Most of trucks, automobiles...in Soviet army were American, also there was food, raw materials, even tanks and airplanes... Soviet aces loved Aerocobras.
@@alexzero3736 source? Lend lease made only 5% of soviet production so it wasn't important much, USA wouldn't do nothing and would launch it's navy against axis
@@enitivy Molotov still asked for LL instead of opening a second front earlier tho ( when given the choice )
9:20 - 9:40 hey, now does this sound VERY familiar...
You overestimated how much does prussia care about poland. They wanted to take german lands, not polish, catholic, and also potentially hostile lands.
It's always either Balkans or Poland that srat a major conflict
I disagree with this assessment. For starters that man you mentioned the dude who said Poland would revolt if their was a polish king declared, well how? How does that man have the influence to launch a revolt at any moment though some arbitrary statement. Not to mention how would the average pol even know it’s like 1810 in the middle Poland there’s no way in hell they’d know when to revolt and at what time. It’s highly unlikely Poland would revolt.
Also your forgetting an old friend, napoleon. What happens when he comes back? The bourbons are for sure again going to overthrown like they were in our timeline, and napoleon would actually be in better shape now too because there’s a chance he might actually be able to negotiate with the coalition for peace since they’re at war with Russia and making a little gains and if he doesn’t he’ll likely win all his battles against whatever armies the coalition sends to France, I mean he almost won at Waterloo image that senerio again but with a smaller British force and no Prussian reinforcements he’d easily win and probably push all the way to the rhine River and before trying to negotiate a better treaty one where this time he pushes for the ‘natural borders’ peace he keeps all the land he took.
I think it’s far more likely that Russia and napoleon hold there ground and just mange to keep their territory by simply outlasting the collisions will to fight and using their home field advantage as well as fortifications they will have established as soon as possible. The war would probably end 2-3 years after it erupted after the collation forces realize that their barley making(if any) ground Russians defenses blocking any meaningful advance into Poland and napoleons genius crushing anyone who marches past the rhine river couple that if with them having to split their armies in half and yeah they’re not winning the war that’s for sure.
In this senrioe the British, Prussians and Austrians would lose and later on the main significance of the war would it be it allowed napoleon to raise to power again and actual reason the war started would be over shadowed over that
The thing is, Russia had more trooos, than rest of the Great Powers on the continent combined. And Russian millitary, considering tough battles it gave to Napoleon, wasn't lacking behind at all nor in technologies, nor in officers. Considering that Russia will view it as an attack on it's sovereign soil like in 1812, Russian morale will most certainly be much higher, than coalitions.
We can add that Austria alone suffered more casualties during coalition wars, so coalition manpower won't be great either.
So, it's not even realistic, that coalition will be able to defeat Russia in a defensive war. They won't even be able to prevent Russian army from just smashing through Prussian millitary, which was 3+ times smaller than Russian, while other coalition troops didn't arrive. It just doesn't make sense in numbers.
And as you pointed it out, coalition will just be doomed after Napoleons return. Napoleon tried to ally Russian tsar in our own timeline, when he send Alexander information, that coalition was formed against Russia in Europe. But, unlike in reality, this time they will forge an alliance for sure.
Without the arrival of Prussian reinforcements, Napoleon will just smash English army at Waterloo, not only insuring his grip to power, but also disrupting any reinforcements from coming to safe Prussia and Austria, which, considering the opening of new front with France, will be outnumbered by Russians 2 to 1 on Eastern front, and Western front will most likely be just wide open for Napoleon.
Coalition will most likely seek for peace right after the defeat on Waterloo.
@@lox000zavr yeah honestly your right, what I described sounds like best case senerio lol. Since I’m assuming it’s a deadlock with neither side able to push but now after what you said it seems vary likely Prussia and Austria would be conquered by French’s be Russian forces leaving the Brit’s as the last ones standing. This would almost recreate napoleons Europe excluding Eastern Europe and Spain.
How would the war affect Napoleon’s return to France?
Well correct me if i am wrong but didn't the allies have to deal with napoleon during rhe great powers negotiations?
Pls give us part 2!
So, technically in this timeline world had 3 world wars in litteraly 1 century?
AT THE Congress of Vienna, the Kingdom of Poland was created. The Constitution of the Kingdom of Poland of 1815 established the Kingdom of Poland as a union state with Russia, with its own king, Sejm and government.
Then they revolted against russia, lost quickly and lost every liberal thing it had
0:36, this is incorrect, the austrians, prussians and russians were all moving towards paris in 2 seperate armys meaning napoleon couldnt engage both at the same time, one commanded by Blucher of waterloo fame and the other under schwarnburgs army of bohemia. The battle of paris had troops from all 3 nations all though the Russians did have the most troops present.
Napoleonic wars were kind of the world war
I feel if the war last long enough for napoleon to return that would be epic
I think it's more likely that Austria help against Prussia and Russia, both to keep Prussia in check as a German rival and avoid Russia's Balkan hegemony.
Also, I'm not so sure if the Scandinavian states would be neutral, Sweden-Norway very well may have ambitions on Finland, while Denmark could see joining against Prussia as an opportunity to stabilize the Shleswig-holstein question, since a Prusso-russian alliance would allow Prussia an other opportunity to contest Denmark's claim.
Russia was right
Ukraine was right
@@GwainSagaFanChannel Ukraine wasn't even in the video
@@GwainSagaFanChannelUkraine is fake
Neat
What if Paul Von Hindenburg declared martial law against Adolf Hitler instead of listening to Von Papen to make him Chancellor
Nice
isnt that the bohemian crown at 6:44?
He was personally responsible Russia won the war against Napoleon just as against Hitler
What if the free officers in Egypt failed to coup the Egypt Monarch
Tsar Alexander helped free the serfs the poor he helped them fed them clothe them. Jesus did the same thing.
He had a heart like Jesus the mighty the rich the powerful the ones who suppress us all will never understand this. However the Kingdom of God belongs to the poor in spirit. Alexander was my hero, Jesus was my hero and my father almighty in heaven and earth. Alexander is a good Samaritan just as Jesus taught us to be. Don’t YOU talk about Alexander!!
Trust me you don’t wanna mess with him. You all are a bunch of fools and the Rich will be cast into hellfire sooner than later for allowing people to suffer as they do.
Jesus was not rich his classroom was the Sea of Galilee as well as his church.
He helped the underdogs and so did Alexander!!
Alexander is an Archangel now. He will be battling for us all.
i highly doubt a new polish regime would declare war on prussia either a new king is elected or the commonwealth is reinsated as a form of republic if the king is even overthrown
7:10 i don't know what to say about that. More likely that they will heavely supress the revolt and import east and south slavs(orthodoxs) to populate poland(western slavic catholics),like they did in Ukraine.
You should work with videntis! Excellent work❤
after napoleon this was going to happen but it didn't.
The tsar is just your average vic2 player
Not looking too good for the "entante" in this timeline if war were to break out
What if Bulgaria restored the monarchy after the end of Communist rule?
what if bulgaria reformed into byzantine empire
Russia being held down is a classic
There’s no way Austria would’ve allowed Russia to dominate the Balkans with a single victory. It’s very likely that Austria would’ve threatened war against Prussia and Russia, forcing a compromise in the Balkans - I could see Greece and Serbia gaining some territory while Russia occupies the Romanian principalities, and the Ottomans keep Bulgaria, Albania, southern Serbia, and northern Greece
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what happened to Louis XVII?
Died in prison when he was 10
@@LePoilu too bad.
why would an independant poland be formed without key ethnic polish territorries, those borders are probably a eastern slavic majority
Not probably, they are.
@@lox000zavr ? what
@@confusedmango6557 Like, I was trying to say, that those are definitely non-polish majority regions.
germany literally annexed poland????
What if tsar Alexander smacked napoleons ass at the meeting at Tilsit?
What if tsar Alexander and Napoleon married 👉👈🥺
@@GwainSagaFanChannel”there is nothing we can do”
What if the Ottoman Empire didn’t collapse
What if Mohammad Zahir Shah was restored as King of Afghanistan?
Good ending Central Power Russia wholesome chungus 100?
What if the ottomans won and defeated the winged hussars at vienna? The ottomans would probably still decline, but it would be slower
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@@buzter8135 doubt it
@@soudino2723 -centuries earlier anyway.
Who's here from discord?
This video isnt that well made, when Napoleon returns everything will be turned on its head
What if naploen never fell?
He would survive if wouldn't attack Russia
There is no chance of Prussia and Russia, defeating Britain and France in war , especially when Britain has just beenn involved in a war, so it has had time to build up a standing army, to supplement the Formidable French army.
We are talking about the 2 most powerful navies in the World at this point
On land france and UK would lose
why is lithuania apart of this poland?
Big Germany nice
what if Poland newer unite?
What if Poland Lithuanian commonwealth annexed Russian empire
Most unlikely alternate history I ever seen on this channel. I don't know why you are doing this. because of ruso Ukrainian war ?
Is it just me or your kind of plagiarizing historia civilis
hmmmmmmmm POLAND-LITHUANIA PEOPLE DONT SAY IN THE 1900S AUSTRIAN EMPIRE THEY SAY AUSTRIAN HUNGARY EMPIRE , SO POLISH-LITHUANIA , NOT JSUT POLAND BECAUSE WTF Lithuanians we're the half of the commonwealth yeah it was mostly polish but still say it polish Lithuania thanks you ,nice videos by the ways keep em up
You know your scenario is unrealistic as fuck when you have Russia winning that hard in the Crimean war. They literally had 5x the casualty ratio, do not act like they would completely overwhelm Britian, France, and the Turks all at the same time with just the help of the Prussians.
Sounds possible! A Prussia and Russia alliance were a force that would be difficult to defeat and would dominate almost all Land battles.
@@bertrecht913 How? They would never be able to completely overwhelm France, GB, and the Ottoman Empire to the point of capitulation which his peace deal implies by taking Constantinople. Despite being formidable on land, how would they ever defeat Britain? Russia lost half of their army IN Crimea, no amount of Prussian troops would make an overwhelming victory possible. (estimated numbers for Prussian army numbers are around 200k-300k, while total numbers for GB, France, Ottos, is around 700k not mobilised). The most likely scenario here is that it would become a stalemate due to the Prussians aiding the Russians, not an overwhelming victory.
@@bertrecht913 unless austria joins on prussian and russian side I do not see it happen
Are you joking? Allied forces had bigger casualties than russia, moment when kid try to be cool while writing some sht
@@enitivy What? Russia had in both wars much more deaths than the western Allies. Please stop spreading lies... also more germans died after the wars than due the war i wonder why... also the Communism Revolution killed much more russians than the germans. Also wonder why...
I do not like this
As someone who does that randomness, I feel like tzar Alexander had either ADHD or autism or maybe both
My mom used to do that aswell but she had bipolar
What if humans had longer life spans
Imperator big baby
Alexander lookin like Putin
I don’t support him I’m just saying
First of all your anti-Russia bias resonates profoundly throughout the video, and when you add bias it stops being history and starts being a propaganda piece. And
your opening comments about Tzar Alexander I together with bias reveal your ignorance about basic geopolitics and international affairs. If you had a wider knowledge
about those topics and not just a chronological list of events you would probably restrain yourself from those moronic comments made in your video.
Bro really has a pro-Russia bias if you ask me like he is such a simp for Russian empire lmao
@@GwainSagaFanChannelEvery normal person is a simp for Russian Empire tho