Overwatch 2 Just Got Brutalised
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Monetizing opportunities only work if you have a fanbase that isn’t abused and adversarial. So tying your compensation to that is a poison pill. Warcraft team listen and won back the fan so what. Overwatch 2 is consistent disappointing expectations.
companies seem to forget the upside of FOMO design is also a downside. if the game is good, people will fear missing out on rewards. but if the game is bad and they miss just one login bonus, weekly challenge, etc, then they are more likely to quit the game because they think they are behind now. this method of player retention is really only useful when you have a game that people care about.
well said!
There's also a second downside in the form of burnout. FOMO design is artificial retention - it makes people stick around for reasons other than that they are simply enjoying the game. That lack of enjoyment builds up, and eventually the players will realize they don't enjoy the game anymore. The odds of them coming back again after that are practically zero.
@@shieldphaserYeah people can drop a game for anyreason for a while... Take too long and they feel that there is no reason to return because they missed too much and they will never catch up.
@@shieldphaser that’s true as well.
bingo. got behind on destiny, stopped caring.
Calling it already. They are going to release "Overwatch Classic" at some point.
Hopefully they might bring back Achieves again. I miss these PVE Stories.
create a problem and sell the solution
I really want to see the legal implications of that, because they gave 'free upgrades' for overwatch 1 players to overwatch 2. Making people pay to play Overwatch 1 again under a different name after changing it by force sounds like double dipping, and sets a pretty bad precedent, because what's to stop them from doing that again?
No, unlike WoW expansions, OW2 did not add anything new for there to be feature creep. OW1 is literally OW2 but you dont have to spend money to get new skins and content.
@@saphironkindriscustomer’s having a negative opinion of the brand.
The R34 artist put more effort into Overwatch content than Blizzard.
No don't.... Or we get New Blizzard Employees soon because they do content for free. 😮😮😮😮😮
Bliizard: top lead artists (in all departments) in gaming industry, poor systems/game mechanics engineers or just inexperienced and Satan for a CEO.
Its just sad to have so much squandered potential in a single company.
lol, Blizzard took Marcus Kincaid motto to heart: ...and Remeber: No Refunds!
The OG leaders at Blizzard wanted everyone to get bonuses because if not, it incentivizes employees to take less creative risk, whereas Kotick stated that only the best performers should get rewarded because they delivered. I can understand Kotick's argument, but that type of thinking is what has led Blizzard to be a former shell of itself with zero innovation for quite some time. Financially it has worked, but it has cost a lot of reputational damage to the company. I guess it's a matter of how you view companies. For the sake of long-term longevity, I think it's a mistake to only focus on profits at the cost of reputation. Honestly that type of thinking might explain why most of their franchises have stagnated, I think the most obvious example is Call of Duty, just rinse and repeat the same game with new store and bundles every year so they can all get bonuses.
Koticks argument makes sense in the same way that an oil baron not wanting to pay workers for extracting oil on land he stole makes sense. It's fueled entirely by entitlement and an indifference to the suffering of your fellow man.
2 biggest villains in the gaming industry:
1) Andrew Wilson
2) Bobby Kotick
Do those 2 buy games and MTX no matter how bad they are.
Or that is actually millions of "gamers"?
Why do you people love so much to blame other people for doing their job?
Bobby is perfect CEO. He is milking braindead"gamers" for profit of his company.
Everyone does that.
Gaben is taking 30% of game devs profits just for putting their game on his store. Why nobody hating him?
30% is a lot. He is doing same thing that bobby does.
Making profit.
If "gamers" on OW2 release Without PVE would ALL JUST SAY - NOPE, NOT PLAYING IT. they would have their PVE mode in full promises in no more than 3-6 months.
But hey, they do opposite. No matter how bad they make OW2 , no matter how much MTX they add, no matter how much content they cut. "Gamers" still play it.
@@NagaimbaMate, comparing Bobby Kotick and Gabe Newell with each other is like comparing a Parasite with a Symbiote. Both jack into your vitals, but the first does it only for selfgrowth. The Second gives something good in return.
Gabe brought us alot of good things. Steam is a great service, the Valve Index and its open plattform brought VR into a healthy consumer space and the Steam deck did the same with portable gameing.
Not to mention all the past videogame bangers who positivily defined gameing for years to come. Like Half-life, Portal, Left 4 Dead ... .
Meanwhile, Bobby just ruined everything and went of with the money.
I just want the game i paid for back.
Same, but remember how stale it was? It wouldn't be any better now. What we bought is dead and gone.
@@advisorrook it was stale because they have abandonned it for years in order to work on the PVE mode... which they have never delivered lol
Just remember: Do not believe anything they announce with Overwatch 2 until they actually release it. Announcement =/= Release.
Overwatch - PvE is pointless
Helldivers - ……….
Imagine if we got a Overwaych PvE game that had everything that makes Helldivers 2 great. It's such a waste...
Bad comparison. Notice how Helldivers is a PvE focused game that made the decision to not EVER do PvP. By your logic, Overwatch, the PvP focused game, should do the same/inverse opposite relative to its situation and commit to not ever making PvE content. That would be both games leaning on their strengths and not bothering to fuss around with new secondary modes. If Blizzard was smart, they would have said out loud, like the Helldivers team, that the people begging for PvE are just simply not gonna ever get what they want and to just put that out of their minds already
@@cosmosofinfinityNo, stop. Blizzard hooked everyone into Overwatch with the character designs, the cinematics, the lore, the story. That's what really got people interested and try the game, myself included. That's what made it such a big deal in 2016. That's why it was everywhere back then. THAT IS WAS WHAT THEY PROMISED FOR OVERWATCH 2 BECAUSE OF IT AND WHY PEOPLE WERE EXCITED FOR IT!
The market for cooperative modes is far bigger than PvP, straight up. Starcraft 2 (RIP) had their co-op mode outrank the ladder modes because turns out people just want to chill with their friends, catch up about their daily lives while doing something together. Overwatch had gigantic potential to be massive with PvE and story. They pissed it all down the drain because Bobby wanted MGL2. That's it.
I just wish I could play the game. The second one.
3:52 they didnt even compensate players for OW1, like hell they were gonna do anything for OW2
This is crazy. Everybody who has some ability will try to switch to another team or even another company, so after a while the only people left on Overwatch will be the bottom of the barrel, people who can't find other employment. And they'll phone it in.
Funny enough this is acually a golden opportunity for another game, Paladins. Provided the devs can actually get their sh*t together.
For me Overwatch itself was the visual sign blizzard was dying. I hate everything about it. TF2 is superior.
Just a reminder that dev costs are essentially amortized over time until the thing in development gets released (or in this case, canceled) so it’s not necessarily that all the new things had no impact, it’s that they got hit with years worth of PvE costs but no PvE product to offset it.
I'm so glad I didn't move over to Overwatch 2 when I heard about the missing PVE. I'm just gonna stick to single players for a bit until something that really blows my skirt comes around.
Why would anyone work at Activision-Blizzard? "Your job compensation is dependent on the success of management's decisions" doesn't really sell it.
We have this newer PvP game constantly maintained by hundreds of people and yet is constantly bleeding out money and is in utter chaos.
Meanwhile an ancient PvP game that is infested with bots and maintained by "a janitor and his potted plant" is just chugging along in both stability and profit.
There is clearly a problem here.
"Mythic Skins" shop? wow... I am so glad I dropped everything Blizzard. How can people still fall for this pathetic cash grab?
You know, every time I hear or see something related to Overwatch it's either about content having been cut or something about monetization. I haven't heard or seen anyone actually talk about the game or the actual content in it. So from what I'm seeing no one really cares about the game.
I don't understand why selling a game with the promise of PVE will be available later and then canceling that promised content doesn't count as bait and switch. Blizzard should be forced to return at least part of the price.
Imagine being a SC2 dev a getting no bonuses for almost 10 years
Video game suits have one of the only professions where you can not understand your job whatsoever, mess up to the tune of millions of dollars, blame your underlings, fire your underlings, then do it all over again.
Killing Rein would kill 2/3 of the tank playerbase (that's still there) because it's the most played tank in plat and below. So I understand why they didn't do that.
not having all the heroes was one of the reasons why I didn't bother getting into Overwatch 2
hmm, will see
A game that basically halted development to work on a sequel that didn't deliver on any of the things they said were going to be in said sequel, to release a sub par version of the original. Wonder why they are having problems. Especially when in 2019 when OW2 was announce it was promised that OW1 pvp would be the same as OW2, then OW1 just is erased. Also the "read the book read the book" just feels pretentious.
i was one of those overwatch megafans back in the day. the characters and world really got me hooked. now it's just completely lifeless. sure it's fun to get in and shoot around from time to time, but there's nothing else to be deeply attached to.
Lol I worked on the esports team, and we never got bonuses based on game team profits. We were an underclass.
Overwatch 2 just monetised in a way that makes lootboxes look like like mana from heaven
Worst part about overwatch isn't that fans are angry...
It's that more and more people don't care about overwatch anymore...
You can always save a bad game fans people are angry about because they care about it.
You can never save a game no one cares about
When your pushed out of a company and you screwed an entire team, you shouldn’t be getting off with 300million! That money should be used to rectify your mistakes.. screw Kotick!
Can't say I feel any remorse or sympathy for this game. They did it to themselves.
Just a reminder that Jason apparently knew everything that happened and chose not to report on any of it until every bridge was burned.
everyone knows that a handful of modders working for free in their spare time could revive Overwatch in short order, if it were moddable
This is why you never take lower salary in favor of larger bonuses, you will always get screwed
Correct. They always take the bonus away. Further, management will still bonuses based on your productivity- how is THAT an incentive.
I have such mixed feelings on Jason. His reporting skills are genuinely amazing and he's one of the industry leading journalists who reports on bad working conditions. Love that. But the guys political takes are... Well, putting it politely, I don't like his political opinions on certain subjects. But I do still admire his journalistic integrity. OW is such a disappointment of game. 7 years to tell us that Overwatch is back and some robots are upset. Some of the worst storytelling and wasted potential - ever.
As ever, management punishes the workers for their own shitty decisions.
Not really sure how you can brutalize a pile of ash on the ground, but I've gotta give it to Blizzard for trying their damnedest anyway.
I signed in today, there were weapon skins for Junkrat and Solider 🙏🏾
Overwatch 2 burned their player base. All trust / respect for Blizzard is gone. Then you throw on ridiculously priced cosmetics and BS 'battle pass' and it is the nail in the coffin. No amount of half baked colabs are going to restore any positive feelings towards Blizzard.
We have gone so far off the cliff, people seriously miss LOOT BOXES.
free loot boxes* the free thing is the most important part. We didn't have to pay a cent to get anything, just play the damn game.
I find it annoying to see starcraft cinematics in a "representing blizzard" montage. Blizzard abandoned that IP like a decade ago. I love it to death, but nobody at blizzard today has touched it, or if they have, they're directly responsible for killing it. They get no credit for that.
But it hits the nostalgia button in people's brains and Blizzard know that-- they know perfectly well that some people will ride the nostalgia train any chance they get and they get to milk it for everything it's worth with a specific type of fan.
I agree with blizzard and Jeff Kaplan, trying to see with futuristic eyes. I would’ve done the same thing however, no one could’ve known how much it would’ve taken to make and it probably was just too ambitious. I still don’t believe blizzard should have ended everything however, they should’ve brought out what they had and let the community decide. But that would mean the higher-ups would have to care what the community. Thinks
Hey, makes my life easy. I have zero interest in competitive shooters. I never cared about Overwatch 1. I was mildly interested in Overwatch 2 for the PVE content they were going to make. No PVE? Another game off my "to play" list.
Overwatch 2 died the moment they canceled the campaign, they just didn’t know it yet
I made a bet with some friends, also random people on reddit and youtube comment sections... I think Overwatch will enter on "maintenance mode" until the end of 2024, early 2025 tops. "Maintenance" is pretty much the death sentence for a "game as a service", it happened to Halo Infinite recently (imagine that, if even a 20 years old mega franchise backed by Microsoft all these years, this franchise is not "safe", imagine Overwatch), the servers will be kept online, but there will be no more "content" in development, no more skins, new characters, maps, etc.. nope, just the game at it's current abominable state. Blizzard is keeping Heroes of the Storm on maintenance for a while now, I bet Overwatch is going to follow that same path if the current devs continue to be stubborn and incompetent.
5v5 is the key issue here, the game is chaotic and unbalanced, older players are abandoning the game en masse, newer players are not "loyal" enough to stay around, they will jump to the next "gass" trend at any minute. Marvel just promoted a Paladins clone that will clash directly with Overwatch. If this game is good, who in their right mind are chose to play as "Illari" if they can have similar fun with freaking Spider-Man? It's unfair really, lol if you look at the newest Overwatch character, a weird "zoomer" named " Venture" that looks horrendous, imagine the appeal of such character compared to Iron Man, Hulk, Loki and so on. Overwatch greatest strength in my pov was their character designs, this "sequel" was not able to keep up on this regard, not at all, only Ramattra and Junker Queen looks really good, but everyone else... yikes
We want the option to buy gold weapon skins. Removing that makes no sense and the green ones look bad
Never gave a shit about PVE.
I haven't tried to play since that horrible launch week. I knew exactly where this was going when they didn't have the decency to respect peoples time.
The new Blizzard boss should ask the WoW and Diablo teams if they want to give up a portion of their bonuses to the employees in the unprofitable units. Bet that would go over well.
Competitive PVP in a game where you don't even have to actually hit someone in the head to get a headshot.. Overwatch 2 is doomed.
Imagine being a die hard Overwatch fan, it's like having as your favourite food stale bread and room temperature water lmao
26:30 There is a private server with full on housing/private instancing, and they allow you to use every prop the game has with a serviceble GUI so yea, I don't really buy that.
I've spend so many hours and some money on Overwatch, that I have to accept that it has become my life service game now. I got this and marvel snap on the phone and 7 can't handle any more.
I tried different ones but always ended up rather playing Overwatch.
But funny enough that Q3 23 made no profit, exactly when I took a break after the bad announcement of the PvE getting cancelled.
Gotta love the modern world where some corpo with zero risk and a huge paycheck already cashed and a second one coming decides what you and your buds are going to do for the next 5 years, tells you they can't give you a lot of money unless it's successful, and then meddle in your success to make it unsuccessful, then leave and call you a lazy shithead for not performing better.
Ahh, progress! Yes much better than being a f00king subsistence farmer or whatever.
How do you make money? Dont sell 1 skin for £20. Like why is 1 gun skin worth £12? Im 1 person, do you really think the time spent on that skin is worth the same price as 20 people buying that 1 skin? Let alone hundreds, or thousands? Reducing the price will allow more people to buy it, improving your sales.
Microsoft telling other companies to make games with less curves.... Microsoft is dead to me....
Overwatch is a dead franchise. I never asked them to auto update OW1 to OW1.5 (2). It's been a complete disaster.
Blizzard need good will more than they need these monetary practices, if your core game and fundamental business practices are bad, be it through shallow content, extortionate prices, “nickel and diming” players etc. then gamers will just watch your game burn from the sidelines while they play something else.
Overwatch 2 is announced, saying it exists to bring more PvE gameplay, and PvE fans flocked to the game and waited, and waited, and waited, before dropping off because they were tired of waiting. Then Blizzard says that PvE is just too hard to do, and they're going to cancel it. Anyone who waited and cared about PvE realized they'd been burned and uninstalled and stopped caring. BUT WAIT! Blizzard says PvE isn't dead! Just give us more money for PvE chapters! But, PvE fans were already gone, you see they didn't care anymore, game was uninstalled. The mixed messaging leads to whatever PvE mode Blizzard scrambled together to fail. Blizzard finally pulls the pin and nukes PvE for real this time, due to lack interest in the game mode. *Surprised Pikachu* You can't shoot yourself in the foot any better, but they still managed to do it.
Killing off a mentor character. How original.
Honestly it's deserved. The OW team has done a very poor job and managed to run the franchise into a mountain.
Overwatch 1 was better than Overwatch 2.
Wake me up when Overwatch Classic is rereleased.
overwatch had its features cancelled because current dev team couldnt make them work, if it worked, it would be released, so why the hell would they get any bonuses if apparently they cant get the job done. and dont cry about engine not supporting it, they made the engine they could have changed it so it would support everything they wanted.
I actually think this is a phenomenal change. No more watered down, waste of resources story crap. Without the actual PVE it was worthless anyway. We get all the characters again as they originally intended for Overwatch 1 and they got rid of lootboxes and even the fomo from the battle pass is so much better from the looks of it, earning currency and being able to get the skin you want. It's like the game has regressed back to Overwatch 1 with all the updates people expected for the game and that's a really good thing. I still prefer higher priced skins over randomized lootboxes. Now you spend $100 on the game, you get exactly what you want. No more little Timmy spending his entire Birthday/Christmas gift to get that Widowmaker skin only to get a bunch of other stuff and not end up with what he wanted oh and no more locked characters. I might actually play the game again.
wait, Overwatch 2 didn't sell? it made 100 million in its first 3 months lol but of course the profits were slow with the amount of MISTRUST THEY'VE BEEN THROWING OUR WAY
Overwatch is a prime example of turning gold into lead
Reverse alchemists
And then seeding that lead into the water supply
Or turning a delicious chocolate cake 🍰 into shit 💩, but they probably thought "at least it's the same color, right ?"
At least lead has a use.
true
OW2 was never meant to be a sequel; it was meant to replace the Loot Boxes with even more predatory and egregious monetization.
Eh, imo FOMO + Gambling is less predatory than FOMO + Battle Pass. In Overwatch 1 you never knew what you were getting, at least now you know. Granted, F2P players got utterl;y shafted, and arguably the only reason they made the change was a lot of countries reviewing Online Gambling laws and they wanted to stay ahead of the curve, but still
@@joshuasmith7254 Then you got the combo.
FOMO+Gambling+BP's
Still all the Fomo and Battlepasses, but for a limited time then its gone forever
I was also an experiment to see how many people would cope into supporting it, sad outcome.
@@joshuasmith7254 Spoken like someone who never interacted with the OW1 lootbox system. If you played that game for even a couple hours a week you had enough free lootboxes to have everything unlocked. That's what people are talking about when they say they missed lootboxes.
Difference was, you got roughly 10 boxes a week for FREE. And the premium currency was somewhat accessible. OW2 takes about 40x longer to get anything for free and the prices are insane. I'd say it's more predatory. @@joshuasmith7254
I'm more entertained watching this game and Blizzard fall apart, than playing any Blizzard games. That's something.
100%
Yeah, I’m definitely on the same boat; shame it has to happen to Overwatch & Diablo tho…
Welcome to what every former fan of Star Wars, Marvel and Disney feels right now.
The only people watching are on UA-cam mocking it.
It is certainly funny watcing all the people in denial of the freefall that has been evident for nearly a decade now 🤣 People were pointing out these issues back in D3 and it ha only gotten so much more egregious and honestly it's so obvious now, that anyone who can't see it has their head in the sand
I would enjoy it if they werent still making billions of dollars. Theyre just getting rewarded for being awful
Reminds me of the military. You're told to do something stupid. You say it won't work. It doesn't work. You get blamed.
sounds kind of like the marine i grew up with
I believe the goal of the military is to get you to stop thinking. They have a very low success rate as the amount of soldier deaths have been decreasing for decades per battle since world war 2.
Well spoiled alert, stupidity in leadership is not exclusive to the military, its a side effect of our current cast system no job in America is a meritocracy
@@masterofinfinity479that’s exactly how the marines works. ex marine here.
@@TheBorderHoppr
And then they have the audacity to wonder why do they have such low sign up rates.
im not surprised that the story mode failed because 90% of the content for the story missions was removed and they still had the audacity to charge money for missions that were same as we got years previously for free
Man, falling out of love is so depressing. The opposite of love isn't hate, the main difference between love and hate is what you'd do if left alone with them.
The opposite of love is apathy.
I was in the Overwatch beta, I had a massive gaming party with friends when it launched, I remember it being the thing I played and thought of constantly.
Each event that came out was super hype, each cinematic that dropped felt like the world was building up to be an incredible PvE universe, each new hero and map and gamemode release was massive. I really cared about that game and spent so much time in it.
Now I don't feel anything.
Top tier monologue rip your marriage to overwatch
For me, it isn't apathy-I'm still angry at them for killing PvE. I genuinely cared about this game and the characters, and I hate being disconnected from it, but I would hate playing the game even more than not.
@@advisorrook That makes sense, I felt that way for a while as well.
It was a bitter, resentful experience to feel more and more frustrated with their management of the game and that even though I cared so much, my passion and investment into the world was not being reciprocated.
I can think of any part of any of the old maps and remember different experiences and challenges faced at each specific location.
I do miss playing it, but I miss enjoying it even more, and I don't think I can do that anymore.
It felt like I was betrayed, and that there's no point in investing time or caring about it when they have zero intentions of ever fulfilling the PvE promises they made and had been building up to for so long.
@@advisorrook I might be even angrier. The alternate abilities could have made the game way less stale, and a PvE mode would easily be the best part of the game. Here's the thing, they absolutely wrecked MY interest in the story and characters. I was sold this optimistic tone with a whole mismatched toybox of action figures. Now, OW is obsessed with being taken seriously and having deep lore without actually writing anything new.
Some of the lore just made things even LESS interesting. I thought Mercy ruined Reaper. I thought Doomfist was going to be a supervillain instead of some random aimless thug. The whole robot invasion was kinda neat, so they had to ruin it too by making it the most tone-deaf allegory to real-life conflicts ever made. Ramattra was the sign that the game had nothing to offer in writing. 76 got a strangle-hold on what little narrative focus there was and made everything serious and bleak. All the dialogue is dunking on another hero, or trauma dumping, or quirky random nonsense. The villains have some of the most stock dialogue ever with all the "conflict is a good thing" and "morality is subjective" without any elaboration. The writing is easily the MOST wasted potential because they did a 180 and still can't. Every new hero has narrow gameplay because they would rather lean on "just switch lmao" than make any depth per-hero. 76 and Reaper can both flank OR frontline, 76 can even play at multiple ranges, so why do they keep making heroes that play themselves? Mauga is the worst so far, but Ramattra and Illari are both terrible in flexibility as well. And Echo, I guess, with all that "do damage" ability crap and linear combos.
I'm also one of those (ex)superfans, who don't give a shit anymore. I played the game for thousands of hours, bought all the merch (t-shirts, figures, mugs; all of it) and even went to some live shows. It felt _so good_ to experience all of that. But then the updates slowed down to a crawl, and the few new things that we still received, just made the game worse... I completely stopped playing when the OW2 changes were in public beta. Hero restrictions, 5v5, lack of clans... I couldn't take it. So heartbreaking, even today.
Feels like with Overwatch 2 they started at the bottom and worked there way down
They found out it does indeed get deeper.
“It DO go down”
Their*
Venture represents the quality!
@@finnbacon 😂😂😂 👌🏿
Blizzard missed a real opportunity in PVE when you look at the success of Helldivers 2. They could have competed with their own unique spin on characters. Instead they just spit on customers and ask for money.
Yeah, helldivers 2 showing that you can make a really fun game and a actual compelling live service is really funny to me. And you can make money too!
There’s really nothing Blizzard can do now to make OW2 compelling enough for me to play it. The company, the game, everything about it all feels sour. There are better games in the genre.
Though in defense of OW2, I feel this way for all modern Blizzard games.
Now imagine a game set in the omnic crisis, you control some random schmuck with a gun to an elite operative of a newly formed organization fighting in many theatres of war around the world. Slowly retaking territories lost to the omnics with compelling story telling and coop pve fun. But no, let's overhype and underdeliver, add unjustified microtransactions while we toast with our employee's breast milk fresh from the freezer.
*demand their money
Wasted money.. god why did overwatch my favorite game become such trash
I've never seen such a promising IP lose all of its promise. Literally. The very thing it was claimed to be made for, gone & gutted.
I remember my hype for the PvE. Thank God these past 2 years had some bangers to help forget about this game.
honestly the incompetence at this level needs to be studied. How do you fuck up an IP this bad. They are just so bad at balancing and thinking shit through on a PvP lens and I think Brigitte was the start of the end. Hots is a great example of this as well.
Helldivers 2! For Super Earth!!!!
@@DWlsh43 HotS really took a huge downturn with the addition of Overwatch characters.
Dragon age Origins: "First time?"
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 like who the fuck saw Kael'thas living bomb on paper and was like "this should be able to spread infinitely and between minions and players". Or Li Mings Arcane Orb sucking Everyone it touches into the middle of it like an ultimate
As much as i loved overwatch in the past , its long dead , everyone i knew quit playing including myself . OW2 is in such a bad spot and I am almost sure theres no saving it at this point. rip
overwatch is not dead
@@gamerbeast3616It died the moment they replaced Overwatch 1 with Overwatch 2, with less features, killing a lot of the original vision (6vs6, artistic design choices like comic-like visuals) and removed free rewards for predatory MACROtransactions with 4 different types of ingame currency
Sure bud. The visionairy game director is long gone, the PvE mode that was generating hype for the game has been bastardized and cancelled, monetization is hyper predatory, so much so that people miss fucking loot boxes, and now it seems like it's not even very profitable. A real recipe for longevity. 😂 @@gamerbeast3616
overwatch 2 launched from death and worked out great at least for Blizzard. They can relaunch the game again with a lie- let's say Steam community server custom game hosting, delay it and 6 months later say it was canceled. :)
@@gamerbeast3616Woah! I didn't know people already figured out time travel.
The fact Kotick got the last laugh is proof justice is non-existent.
It's proof justice is brought by other humans, it's not some God-brought thing. If you want justice, you have to go get it.
@@0ldar not true...God waits until humans decide to bring justice or not...or when there's divine jurisdictions that get crossed...death itself is the proof that there is justice
@@cavemantero We're on a video game page so lets not go into religious arguments. That said, there's zero proof of existence of God or any religious dogma, so let's not operate as if that is absolute truth.
@@cavemantero And what would you call it when an innocent person dies? Justice is a human concept, not something ordained by some space-daddy. There is no justice in death. To a "bad" person it's a way to escape the bulk of their actions, to a "good" person it's punishment.
Kotick did nothing wrong imho.
He is CEO of company. His job is to make company grow. He did that perfectly.
The one to dispise is TADAM - Gamers.
I don't know how addicted you must be or sick or lack of self awarness but people still play OW2 and they play it A LOT dispite the fact since game release all they got is SHIT, MORE SHIT, MORE STINKY SHIT, MORE SHITTIER SHIT and etc.
Yet they still play it. Why?
There is only one way to let Kotick legacy die - stop playing bad games. But people can't stop.
If you want good games - stop playing bad games. Company will be forced into making better game TO KEEP GAMERS.
Right now, why would A BUISNESS care?
Those people generate enough revenue to keep it floating. They will never "waste" more resources on smth that GENERATES PROFIT only because "gamers are mad and talking bad things".
Gamers will never do anything but talk.
They will pre-order, they will buy MTX, they will play bad games just because.
Those people deserve everything. Because they exist i stopped playing wow 5 years ago. I stopped playing OW1. I never tried D4 after D3.
Because of this people i will never play wow again, we don't have good OW2, D4 is bad and there is no hope for D5.
Simple because there are people who will play bad games no matter what. They will pay for them. They will give so much money that the fact that majority of people wont be playing it - doesnt matter.
So i hope OW2 will get even worse. Maybe there is line where "gamers" will stop playing bad games. But somehow i doubt that.
Look a good "mythical" skin and a theme is not content. 3 unfun PvE missions are also not good content normally, but in the cas of OW2, they are just reminders of how they promised and said fuck you on PvE. As for the rest, just having some tie-ins from other franchises is simply not good enough.
The reason people got interested in OW was the world, the lore and the class based unique gameplay. These things are all related to roleplaying fantasy. They thought OW was just a class based shooter and tried to pivot entirely on that idea. This is what they dont understand and why they are failing. OW is not just a random PvP shooter.
💯 OW went from a well polished hero shooter with lore and a vibrant ongoing world with real characters, into a shooter equivalent in characterization to battlefield but without any of the benefits battlefield has, leaving OW a hollow facsimile.
Game has been on life support ever since they changed it to 5v5. Single tank just blows and really takes a lot of the fun out of the game.
A sad truth about ow2 that a lot of people overlook for some reason
It also completely killed the competitive community they'd built because every team had to pick who to kick out.
There isn't anymore reason to play Overwatch 2 whole reason was the orignal view of PVE content and they killed it. The other problem the rewards are shocking worst than loot boxes which is odd you can even make it worst then loot boxes. I just don't have any care to play anymore.
I really wanted to like OW2... I really wanted to care about the characters more and I would have gone into the PvE rabbit hole readily. The people I used to play Overwatch pvp with have long since moved on and it's just not enticing for me now. I've never wanted to climb the ranks and as a group we messed around in the arcade. That has less appeal now my friends have given up on the game. I'm just depressed that Battleborn died so this travesty could live.
gigantic coming April 9th might as well try that out @@Tremadog102
Unrelated, but Kyle Hyde PFP?
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If the game still had boxes I would play it daily. It’s a much better game now with all progression and reasons to play removed beyond simply the fun of it.
@@Tremadog102 And there where actually people who got too play a test build of the original pve modus and they said it was pretty good, which makes it even hurt more that it was canceled.
Gotta love punishing the developers for decisions management makes
That change to the profit share policy is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Who would join on to a project that might have a 5 year development cycle?
Overwatch 2: Blizzards Second Failed Attempt To Be As Good As Battleborn
I still lament the shutting down of Battleborn on a regular basis. Gigantic seems to be making a return though, so here's me hoping that the same could happen for Battleborn.
Battleborn? The situation is bad, but it is not that bad.
@@martinkarleskind8697 Battleborn was way better than OW in every aspect
Overwatch 2 is long dead, whenever a game loses its sole visionary it just flat out is not the same!
Me and my friend regularly run 5-10 games when we have down-time. Fake news.
This is spot on. Most game franchises are suffering from the loss of institutional knowledge, especially the visionary.
Such hyperbole. Dead according to who exactly? Because Overwatch has a steady increase of steam player count since launch, not to mention it's permanently been top of the charts of console "most played" lists. I get that Blizzard has fucked up a lot of Overwatch's goodwill with fans, but the player count is opposite of dead and rising.
@@Lucky_Drivethese people literally just make up things. It's really weird. Overwatch just has this hate group that follows it around and just lies lol
@@whatisthisIcanteven not that i agree with individual points made by them, but i can see why such a group exists.
I gave up on overwatch when they gave up on PvE. It was sole thing I was waiting for.
I would like to point out Blizzard pays 35% of industry rate based on ex employees
Overwatch died when Jeff Kaplan left, rip.
The guy who failed to balance Brig for over a year, and couldn't figure out how to balance double shields? Jeff would be the best person to make the PVE mode, but for the PVP he was making full fledge MMO characters and failed the game with them.
@@czekskiihey, at least every time his team did a mistake, he admitted it and sooner tried to fix it.
@@Dat_Jonx ???? That's revisionist history. The OW1 team under Kaplan were terrible at balancing the game and always took too long.
@@czekskii at balancing yes (although now isn't any better), but good at everything else, including admitting own mistakes. Remember controversy around skins being available only in lootboxes on Summer Games 2016? I remember. I also remember dupes scandal on Anniversary '17. They all sooner fixed. Now look how new team ignored all outrage surrounding microtransactions and consequences of that.
@@Dat_Jonx wdym ignored? They have shifted the meta every season. In OW1 the same metas went on months to years.Are you only talking about monetization? Because the current shop system is way less predatory than loot boxes. Sure the skins kinda suck, but the skins are the same as they always been. The system itself is way better.
Holy... Blizzard took their bonuses? People depend on things like that, especially in this economy.
Just another reason to despise this company.
Especially in a company that specifically under pays because they give bonuses .
Bonuses for how successful a franchise is is bs. Its like working at a restaurant and majority of income is based on shared tips.
Literally true.
I bet when they cut out bonuses for franchises that were not doing so well, they also didn't increase bonuses for those who did well. Meaning the company just gets more money and pays out less.
@@Utrilus _"Meaning the company just gets more money and pays out less."_ That's the goal of most companies.
People seem to be *"having a blast"* getting shafted by them time and again.
Blast must mean something like "concussion" or "irreversible brain damage".
@@TearThatRedFlagDown could be
If you are a junior in any company, chances are you don’t get to pick your first team. This is why profit sharing company wide is far more fair and equal than by IP/project. How are you responsible for the decisions of the overall team?
What a horrible practice. Blizzard employees need to write their own book: How to demoralize and and abuse your employees through corporate “perceived” benefits programs.
giving people who paid for heroes free currency to get mythic skins would have cost Blizzard nothing. Whatever "lost sales" that would have resulted would have been more than offset by increasing player goodwill among paying gamers.
9:35 It probably made a good profit, but just not an amazing profit to where they're wanting to share with the actual workers. Leadership will still get raises and a bonus because they think they're special, and workers are expendable. They just needed to lead them on to fulfill leadership's vision, and when it comes up short it must be the worker's fault.
as some one who loved and enjoyed overwatch closer to when it came out and for a time after, i actually just feel sick listening to its monitization being described. battle passes and such are actually just sickening to me at this point
The game can't catch a break, I've only ever heard bad news about it.
It is such a shame tbh...It's like devs beating a dead animal that's already rotting
It deserves every bit of bad news it gets. They ruined the game
It's passed rotted, it's a dried up skeleton being used as a Xylophone@@Bardock059
the gameplay is still fun and it has a decent amount of players, hopefully they can make it profitable
but i never felt like i wanted to spend money on it
@@lilwintery6434 they built it from the ground up to squeeze everything from you. Look at the skins. They went from 5 bucks to 35. They also sold it on a complete lie saying they had to redo the engine from the ground up for Pve they never worked on. Now they're on steam and releasing all their paid characters for free now
Blizzard wants to make sure you know they're a AAAA studio
OW2 is garbage anyways. OW1 was better in everyway imaginable .
I beg you to never say bussin on god no cap ever again lmao
The only way I will ever care about Overwatch again is if they fire Aaron Keller, remove the battle pass entirely, and bring back 6v6. The game has been diving deeper and deeper into shit ever since Jeff Kaplan left.
The degree to which I'm now repulsed by that typical modern "Blizzard look" , with any edge or humanity ripped out is kind of astonishing, even to myself.
I guess it should be less surprising, given how it's the result of a decade of conditioning