Joel, thank you for posting this. I’m the guy who snagged the other 6 lug Vistalite for sale online when you uploaded this. Your assessment of its tuning range is spot on and luckily the hoop on mine wasn’t as bent. I also have a conventional 10 lug Vistalite (clear 1974-ish) and the 6 lug does have a more huskier/smokers cough tone to it. Really enjoy your channel!
I always enjoy learning about drum brands that I don't know much about. My high school in the mid-late 80s had Ludwig drums that we marched with and there was a red sparkle kit in the band room, but I've never owned any Ludwig drums myself. Another great video, Joel!
Very cool video Joel!!! Snare sounds great. I'm not a particular fan of the fat tubby snare sound (unless it serves the song) but all the other higher tunings sounded very nice. I've never seen a six lug snare - didn't know they existed. I've heard a couple pros mention that they liked 8 lug snares. I actually have an old Slingerland snare that has 8 lugs. Can a drummer ever have too many snares? lol... Perhaps they should have called it "Vista White"
I bought a brand new amber vistalite kit in 1976. Wish I still had it….but I got rid of them to get a chrome over wood Pearl kit in ‘95….and my 5x14 vistalite snare also hadvan internal muffler
My peaches! Marching-drum-to-band-kit conversions are my thing. I never knew they made Vistalite marching drums. That other one was there this morning when you UL'd. GONE.
LOVE me some Aquarians! Just the best to my ears. The kick is a 14x22 late 70s Ludwig 6-ply. Heavy shell.... nice thump!! Thanks so much for the kind words!
@@drumdotpizza you're welcome! I played a Ludwig 6 ply kit for years. Great drums. I discovered vintage Rogers and fell in love. Lol. Aquarian makes the best sounding heads to my ears.
Very interesting post. Thanks again. Have you heard what Carl Palmer has said about travelling/setting up his all stainless kit? lol Talk about heavy metal.
It is indeed! Well, actually I think they call it the Xist Dry Dark Ride, but yeah, 22". I'm not usually a dark cymbal guy (played pop my whole life and dark cymbals often don't speak as well in such music to my ears), but it's very responsive and something really cool about it that I like. Thanks for your comment!
I would like to add a bass drum Tom mount to my Ludwig classic maple downbeat kit. Should I use a Ludwig mount or is there a better mount? Kinda tired of the snare stand.
I've been digging the mounts Josh is making over at INDe drum. Got his tom brackets on my 60s Ludwig and 80s Tama kits. No RIMS mounts needed... they sound great! I've not used his actual tom holders, but will likely be putting one on a kit I'm in the process of putting together.
Personal preference (dontcha just hate that answer??). Generally the more lugs the more refined the tuning, the more extended the useful tuning range, and the greater the sustain of the heads (assuming you have lugs at even tension). All of this decreases with lower lug count, but that isn't always a drag -- I personally love 8-lug snares as they often have a bit more raw, gutsy character on back beats compared to 10-lug drums. Just a little less refined sounding in a really nice, mildly aggressive way.
I have two Canon M50s, one MKI and a MKII. Prime Canon (22mm) and Sigma (30mm) lenses. They're crop sensor cameras, but full frame are just SO MUCH MONEY, and I'm just focusing more on content than absolute video quality. I imagine I'll eventually swap to nicer cameras (if all goes well), but for now I"m pretty satisfied.
363 (measured it at the end of the video). I tune by ear, but use the TuneBot to log tunings for future recall (and to tell viewers what the tunings are on occasion.... will try to do that more consistently. moving forward). It's possible that with the lower batter tunings the bottom head dropped a tad as well, but 363 is where the bottom head was by the end of the video.
I've been gone awhile dealing with extended family health issues, but yes, I'm back and will be posting almost weekly at this point (that is my ongoing goal anyway). Thanks for your comment!
hey brother, I posted a video about the 8 lug version of the same snare drum you posted. if you get a chance check it out and tell me what you think. I mention you in the video as well. Cheers
I dig your channel! Drum tech is a great idea (I love breathing life back into old drums... I'm actually doing a video right now cleaning up an older Pacific kit for a friend of mine's church to use).
Cool drum! I had a 14x7.5 (8 lug) acrylic drum built for me last year, and its so cool! I really like the sound of that ludwig! What a cool drum
Joel, thank you for posting this. I’m the guy who snagged the other 6 lug Vistalite for sale online when you uploaded this. Your assessment of its tuning range is spot on and luckily the hoop on mine wasn’t as bent. I also have a conventional 10 lug Vistalite (clear 1974-ish) and the 6 lug does have a more huskier/smokers cough tone to it. Really enjoy your channel!
Congrats on that! I'm glad you're has a good edge too... the other original Vistalites I've owned not so much.
Snare sounds great. What sounds even better is the kick! I’ll have to check your channel for info on that.
I always enjoy learning about drum brands that I don't know much about. My high school in the mid-late 80s had Ludwig drums that we marched with and there was a red sparkle kit in the band room, but I've never owned any Ludwig drums myself. Another great video, Joel!
Love your work, I love stories like this.
A classmate in Junior High School had one. I had an Acrolite.
My first love was Ludwig. I remember in the late seventies, we would argue over how to pronounce it. Thank you, brings back fun memories 🥁
Very cool video Joel!!! Snare sounds great. I'm not a particular fan of the fat tubby snare sound (unless it serves the song) but all the other higher tunings sounded very nice. I've never seen a six lug snare - didn't know they existed. I've heard a couple pros mention that they liked 8 lug snares. I actually have an old Slingerland snare that has 8 lugs. Can a drummer ever have too many snares? lol... Perhaps they should have called it "Vista White"
Vista White, nice!! Can a drummer have too many snares? My wife certainly thinks so!! 😀
i love the decay it has. sounds great
I also saw a COV 8 lug in a student kit.Excellent video-
Really?? Haven't seen one of those myself, but it makes perfect sense that they did that to get those 'vista-whites' gone! 😁
Fantastic Joel! I've been fascinated by 6 luggers in recent years. 6 lug professional drums are amazing! Thank you for sharing!
They're fun!
Those drums sound really good. Also admiring the Tama snares, etc, on the shelves.
Ludwig and Tama are my favorite brands. Lots of good drums in the world, but these two brands just tickle me the most (certainly the vintage ones!)
You are slowly becoming Ross Garfield. So many drums! It's beautiful!
23:20 That's such a cool sound.
What a great sounding drum!! Great vid!
Thank you so much!
Wow. Learned a lot here. Notifications are set on Kill now!😊
I bought a brand new amber vistalite kit in 1976. Wish I still had it….but I got rid of them to get a chrome over wood Pearl kit in ‘95….and my 5x14 vistalite snare also hadvan internal muffler
Lots of Ludwig gems out there Love it.
My peaches! Marching-drum-to-band-kit conversions are my thing. I never knew they made Vistalite marching drums.
That other one was there this morning when you UL'd. GONE.
Perfectly tuned on the high tuning, bass drum too! Very cool drum! And Perfect choice on the heads. Aquarian is the best in sound and quality to me.
LOVE me some Aquarians! Just the best to my ears. The kick is a 14x22 late 70s Ludwig 6-ply. Heavy shell.... nice thump!! Thanks so much for the kind words!
@@drumdotpizza you're welcome! I played a Ludwig 6 ply kit for years. Great drums. I discovered vintage Rogers and fell in love. Lol. Aquarian makes the best sounding heads to my ears.
Very interesting post. Thanks again. Have you heard what Carl Palmer has said about travelling/setting up his all stainless kit? lol Talk about heavy metal.
IIRC the bass drum was over 100lbs!!
Hello Joel! I enjoyed this video sir
I found one locally years ago. Brian Duvall would probably still have it.
I like the 6 lug mire then the 10 lug. This sounds amazing!
Killer snare!
Love musical manufacturing history. Now I will be pulling the Ludwig book out of the library again. Thanks! 😅
Really cool that Cadillac made the shells. sounds great at all tunings!
Sounds great !
It sounds great! I'm not a huge fan of acrylic toms and bass drums, but the snares tend to sound good.
Mmm mmm, there's some serious vintage mojo in 6-lug Ludwig snares!
Cool... Thanks for sharing
Pioneer Vistalite!?!?
Essentially, yes. Never a cataloged item, but here it is! Without a muffler, though.
The drum does sound great but of course its also because of how you play as well! What is that ride cymbal? Istanbul Agop 22" Xist Dry? Thanks
It is indeed! Well, actually I think they call it the Xist Dry Dark Ride, but yeah, 22". I'm not usually a dark cymbal guy (played pop my whole life and dark cymbals often don't speak as well in such music to my ears), but it's very responsive and something really cool about it that I like. Thanks for your comment!
I would like to add a bass drum Tom mount to my Ludwig classic maple downbeat kit. Should I use a Ludwig mount or is there a better mount? Kinda tired of the snare stand.
I've been digging the mounts Josh is making over at INDe drum. Got his tom brackets on my 60s Ludwig and 80s Tama kits. No RIMS mounts needed... they sound great! I've not used his actual tom holders, but will likely be putting one on a kit I'm in the process of putting together.
Question… as far as sound goes which is considered better… snare drums with more or less lugs ( 6, 8, 10 , etc.)?!
Personal preference (dontcha just hate that answer??). Generally the more lugs the more refined the tuning, the more extended the useful tuning range, and the greater the sustain of the heads (assuming you have lugs at even tension). All of this decreases with lower lug count, but that isn't always a drag -- I personally love 8-lug snares as they often have a bit more raw, gutsy character on back beats compared to 10-lug drums. Just a little less refined sounding in a really nice, mildly aggressive way.
@@drumdotpizza thank you for sharing your thoughts 💭 I enjoyed your videos very much, thank you 🙏!
Amazing
It will match my set
There’s one of these drums available where I live for $300.
Should I get it?
Nice! What camera are you using?
I have two Canon M50s, one MKI and a MKII. Prime Canon (22mm) and Sigma (30mm) lenses. They're crop sensor cameras, but full frame are just SO MUCH MONEY, and I'm just focusing more on content than absolute video quality. I imagine I'll eventually swap to nicer cameras (if all goes well), but for now I"m pretty satisfied.
What is the reso head tuned to?
363 (measured it at the end of the video). I tune by ear, but use the TuneBot to log tunings for future recall (and to tell viewers what the tunings are on occasion.... will try to do that more consistently. moving forward). It's possible that with the lower batter tunings the bottom head dropped a tad as well, but 363 is where the bottom head was by the end of the video.
nice, i dig 6 luggers!
You think a 6 lug could handle a reggae tuning?
HE'S BACH🎉
I've been gone awhile dealing with extended family health issues, but yes, I'm back and will be posting almost weekly at this point (that is my ongoing goal anyway). Thanks for your comment!
But is it the first 6 lug snare you’ve ever seen?
Boom, first minute?
Milky snare
It is!!! I never thought of it that way. Thanks for chiming in!
hey brother, I posted a video about the 8 lug version of the same snare drum you posted. if you get a chance check it out and tell me what you think. I mention you in the video as well. Cheers
I dig your channel! Drum tech is a great idea (I love breathing life back into old drums... I'm actually doing a video right now cleaning up an older Pacific kit for a friend of mine's church to use).
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Drum And Lyre: 🗿
Sounds great!