Case and buck are my favorite companies, I just appreciate and love the tradition they carry. I find I really appreciate my traditional blades over my modern ones -- they both have their place. I wouldn't be upset if we didn't have the modern(tactical or not) knives, but I would be seriously bummed out if we didn't have these traditionals.
I'm a modern knife/steel guy that professionally free hand stone sharpens and makes knives. I love Mt traditionals as well but not with old school steels like simple carbon, stainless or CV.. I carry a sod buster or sod buster Jr in my left pocket everyday but they have both (I have 13 rebladed case knives and two GECs bull nose That I rebladed) cpm 440v at 63rc that I made about 10-11 years ago and they have been amazing but it was getting time for a reblade for both as they have been used so much and sharpened many times so they was getting a little thick because so much blade has been sharpened away over the years. I just made a Hap72 blade for both of them I did the heat treat and cryo on them with a 67hrc target and both came in a tick over 67hrc so edge retention on these things is gonna be insane. The blades are finished last week and I'm doing the installation and repinning of them today and got two deer that have been hanging in the dry aging shed for 4 days now so it's time to butcher them and package them up for the freezer! These two Hap72 blades are gonna get their patina started today cleaning/butchering those two deer! I'm doing the repinning right now as I watch this and waiting for day light to start processing the deer!
You are 100% correct about old timers kept good care of their tools and equipment. Folks today think everything is a throw away item. I have tools and equipment that is fifty years old. My axes were bought in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s. I restored them all to factory condition about five years ago, including rehanging them all with new handles.
It most definitely don't hold a good edge. Tj stuff dulls so fast it's funny just like their "Tru-sharp stainless or their carbon steel. It all dulls so fast it's not even serviceable imo. I love case and GEC but on the ones I carry and use I just make blades for them out of modern high performance steels. One you are used to today's high performance tool steels it makes old simple steels hard to use. I'm a professional free hand sharpener so sharpening isn't a problem for me but what is a problem is when the edge is blunted over and past the point of being able to be brought back on a strop within the first hour or two of my work day. I do a tremendous amount of cutting at my job and at my homestead so steel performance is absolutely important to me. I can deal with blades that can't go a full day for me without needing a touch up, if it can't maintain a clean paper slicing edge for a full day for me without needing touch ups I won't carry it as it makes my job harder. That's why my main sod and sod Jr that I have carried in the left pocket for the last 10-11 years both had cpm 440v blades I made for them and are literally being replacedright now with two hap72 blades that I made for them. I was repinning them while watching this video. Simple steels are great for people that don't use their knives all that much and when they do it's for tasks that create little to no edge wear but for people like me that have a knife in our hands cutting things properly 7 to 8 hours out of my 10 hour work day and then another 2 hours or so after work at the homestead. I do more cutting in the first hour of my work day with a pocket knife then most people probably cut in a year with theirs. Heavy card boards, paper board, foam board, plastic sheeting, tough strapping/banding, burlap material and many of these already abrasive items I cut are also dirty so the silicate that's in the really is super abrasive on the cutting edge. As much as I have a special place in my heart for old school simple carbon steels and 420 or 440 class stainless steels because that's what I started making knives with 25 years ago I just have absolutely no use for them today. With case CV steel I would literally be having to touch up the edge on a ceramic rod and strop probably every half hour or so to keep a serviceable sharp edge going throughout the day for me as where with the CPM 440v reblades I did on them I could get a solid day out of them and just a quick stropping at home and they are ready for the next day and only needing a full sharpening maybe once every 2 weeks. With these hap72 reblades I will likely be able to go 2 full days without needing to even touch a strop but this steel is in the mid 67.x hrc so toughness will be a factor but the abrasion resistance will be fantastic and keep me serviceably sharp blades for extended amounts of time. The old simple carbon and stainless steels work wonderful for a lot of people but they are severely outdated and the performance spectrum is SO much higher on modern steels that they don't really have a place in modern performance knives anymore. I mean even something like 52100 carbon or aeb-l stainless just blow them out the water in performance and touch up or sharpen up just as easily as the old simple steels yet they vastly out perform them. I really wish case would start doing more models like they just did the crossroads sod buster Jr and using modern powder steels in vintage designs. I got two of the cross rod sod JRs from smkw in the burlap micarta and G10 liners with cpm s35vn blades. Even those s35vn isn't no super high performance steel it's a lower tier performing powder steel but the difference between it and the old simple steels is HUGE and that's even considering the only half decent large batch factory heat treatments the performance is drastically higher. Now for most people they won't notice all that much of a difference because they just don't use the knives enough for it to really matter anyhow but for the people out there that work with a knife in their hands the difference is massive.
My grandfather always had his Case pocket knife with him. I saw him peel apples with it and do some whittling. He was proud of it. Thank you for explaining your perspective in a country way.
It’s good to hear somebody talk good about Case knives. A lot of you tube knife guys have nothing good to as about them. I know they’re not perfect. They’re the last man standing among lot time American makers. It stands to reason they’ve done something right to achieve that.
I have the CV case trapper with the yellow handles and it's my favorite knife for just about everything. When hunting season is here it never stays home . I cold blued mine and it looks great.
Thank you for a good explanation. I look for vanadium steel kitchen knives at goodwill and flea markets. I re-profile them at a thinner edge and they are great knives and cheap. Good stuff
My yellow Case cv Trapper is a tool I use everyday. When the blade gets a little tarnished I rub a little brasso on it. Because I was taught to take care of my things. Mine peels an orange everyday, cuts boxes open, whittles a little, cleans my fingernails and cuts string. It’s been a scraper, a screwdriver and a really small hammer for small adjustments. Putting it in my pocket is just part of getting dressed. I can’t imagine a better tool, which is why I’ve carried it everyday for the last thirty five years. Every boy should have one. It teaches them responsibility, tool use and pride. By the way that white one looks pretty nice. Thanks for the video.
Like many of us, I have carried case knives, and I have carried other types of knives as well. I really like Kershaw Ferdalist because of its steel blade and handle material.
I really like my case trapper. My son bought it for me for Christmas a few years ago and its been very reliable. It has the stainless blades and i use a belt sharpener to keep it sharp.
Going to add to this. A lot of people aren't aware of the added care NEEDED for CV knives because they don't know the difference between the two. Most knives today are SS so people are use to it, hence the reason they freak out when CV starts to rust or patina.
Stainless is overall softer than carbon steel. I put a good edge on a SS Old Timer 330T, yesterday, with just a few strokes. My new Case 6344 took over twice as many strokes to get a good edge on it.
You took the words right out of my mouth, well said sir. I'm 66 yrs old and I have a ton of case knives in my collection and I agree case makes great knives. I have cv and stainless and I like both but I'm slightly partial to chrome vanadium. I also have put forced patina on some of mine with vinegar and mustard and it looks great with that yellow delrin. My last name is hays also without the e. I really enjoyed the video.
Great video. Thank you sir. I agree completely with what you're saying about guys today with their knives. Most guys don't care about them or are even scared of them. The ones that do often will show you the knife they carry every day it's just ridiculous. Big, chunky blades that don't do much more than cut open an amazon package. I'm 38, but my dad was an old timer and taught me how great a tool a pocket knife is. I do carry a one hand open knife at work a lot because I do often need that quick access for many my jobs, but I carry a case texas jack every day. Also just got a yellow copperhead that case rereleased this year that I will probably start carrying. I try not to get too many knives because so often I see men get so many of things like that and appreciate nothing.
Some folks think stainless will not develop a patina, but it will. I have toted my Case 6344 most of the time for the past two months and it has really darkened up. It is a lot darker than the 6254 Trapper that I also have but have not toted it as much as the middle stockman.
If you want a really nice and dark patina in your CV blade get some limes cut em in half and smear the juice on the blade let it sit for awhile clean the gunk and repeat, do it few times and you can almost get a black blade... Looks really good with yella covers!!!
It has not taken me a long time to sharpen my 6344, mid stockman, with SS blades. I just put it on my 8000 grit Kerye whetstone with a little soapy water and 10 licks and it will shave hair on my arm. Sure, I cut cardboard, paper and anything else that I need to cut, with the 6344 but I will wash it with soap and hot water if I use it on something like a tomato or orange, but I also oil it, afterwards with mineral oil.
I have a bunch of both, but I prefer the CV because it doesn’t load up my stones when I sharpen them. I have an old bench stone that belonged to my great grandad and I avoid stainless on there as much as possible
In my experience CV forms a nice patina and is easy to sharpen, but like Case stainless their heat treat is useable but way too soft in my opinion I get better edge retention from Opinel carbon steel.
Stainless steel means rusts less, not never rust. I just learned this a few years ago. I have a buck 120, and a case barlow. I don't use them because I'm afraid to ruin the blade. Lol I carry a cheap barlow and a Gerber multi-tool. I'm gettin old enough that they'll be collector items if I don't use them.
Stainless also rusts worse than carbon steel if you let it rust. Acids and salty conditions attack the iron atoms in the stainless steel, so you can get massive pits via rust.
Adapt and overcome, the motto of my branch of the armed forces. I take care of my knives. I have six sitting in front of me right now. I put oil on the hinge each week and rub any extra on the blades.
Why would you want to remove the patina that builds up on a CV blade? Kind of the point of having one. I live in Australia and use my Stockman every day, really handy at work and often used at lunchtime. Using a knife for self defence in this country is a ticket to jail. I have an Opinel in carbon steel that I forced a patina on the blade with (really hot) cider vinegar. The blade is now an even black colour. It is beautiful.
JMHO, do not force a patina (tarnish the blade). That's just faking it. It is saying look at how well cared for and used my knife is, even though in truth, it's never been used. Been carrying the same pocket knife for 45 years, and the blade is gray from use. ya just can't fake that.
Hey there. Do you or anyone on here have a Case Copperlock (not a mini) with a chrome vanadium blade for sale?? I am looking for one for my brother. We cannot find one anywhere; will pay top price for one in good shape.
I choose carbon steel over stainless any day of the week. My papa always said any metal that will rust will take a good edge and there is some truth to that.
I think your use of softer is misleading.! CV is not softer than SS, SS has at least 13% Chromium content while CV has less than 13%. Chrome is what makes a blade stainless, not hard or soft.
Case and buck are my favorite companies, I just appreciate and love the tradition they carry. I find I really appreciate my traditional blades over my modern ones -- they both have their place. I wouldn't be upset if we didn't have the modern(tactical or not) knives, but I would be seriously bummed out if we didn't have these traditionals.
I'm a modern knife/steel guy that professionally free hand stone sharpens and makes knives. I love Mt traditionals as well but not with old school steels like simple carbon, stainless or CV.. I carry a sod buster or sod buster Jr in my left pocket everyday but they have both (I have 13 rebladed case knives and two GECs bull nose That I rebladed) cpm 440v at 63rc that I made about 10-11 years ago and they have been amazing but it was getting time for a reblade for both as they have been used so much and sharpened many times so they was getting a little thick because so much blade has been sharpened away over the years. I just made a Hap72 blade for both of them I did the heat treat and cryo on them with a 67hrc target and both came in a tick over 67hrc so edge retention on these things is gonna be insane. The blades are finished last week and I'm doing the installation and repinning of them today and got two deer that have been hanging in the dry aging shed for 4 days now so it's time to butcher them and package them up for the freezer! These two Hap72 blades are gonna get their patina started today cleaning/butchering those two deer! I'm doing the repinning right now as I watch this and waiting for day light to start processing the deer!
You are 100% correct about old timers kept good care of their tools and equipment. Folks today think everything is a throw away item. I have tools and equipment that is fifty years old. My axes were bought in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s. I restored them all to factory condition about five years ago, including rehanging them all with new handles.
Nothing beats the Case CV. It’s so easy to sharpen and holds an nice edge. 👍
It most definitely don't hold a good edge. Tj stuff dulls so fast it's funny just like their "Tru-sharp stainless or their carbon steel. It all dulls so fast it's not even serviceable imo. I love case and GEC but on the ones I carry and use I just make blades for them out of modern high performance steels. One you are used to today's high performance tool steels it makes old simple steels hard to use. I'm a professional free hand sharpener so sharpening isn't a problem for me but what is a problem is when the edge is blunted over and past the point of being able to be brought back on a strop within the first hour or two of my work day. I do a tremendous amount of cutting at my job and at my homestead so steel performance is absolutely important to me. I can deal with blades that can't go a full day for me without needing a touch up, if it can't maintain a clean paper slicing edge for a full day for me without needing touch ups I won't carry it as it makes my job harder. That's why my main sod and sod Jr that I have carried in the left pocket for the last 10-11 years both had cpm 440v blades I made for them and are literally being replacedright now with two hap72 blades that I made for them. I was repinning them while watching this video. Simple steels are great for people that don't use their knives all that much and when they do it's for tasks that create little to no edge wear but for people like me that have a knife in our hands cutting things properly 7 to 8 hours out of my 10 hour work day and then another 2 hours or so after work at the homestead. I do more cutting in the first hour of my work day with a pocket knife then most people probably cut in a year with theirs. Heavy card boards, paper board, foam board, plastic sheeting, tough strapping/banding, burlap material and many of these already abrasive items I cut are also dirty so the silicate that's in the really is super abrasive on the cutting edge. As much as I have a special place in my heart for old school simple carbon steels and 420 or 440 class stainless steels because that's what I started making knives with 25 years ago I just have absolutely no use for them today. With case CV steel I would literally be having to touch up the edge on a ceramic rod and strop probably every half hour or so to keep a serviceable sharp edge going throughout the day for me as where with the CPM 440v reblades I did on them I could get a solid day out of them and just a quick stropping at home and they are ready for the next day and only needing a full sharpening maybe once every 2 weeks. With these hap72 reblades I will likely be able to go 2 full days without needing to even touch a strop but this steel is in the mid 67.x hrc so toughness will be a factor but the abrasion resistance will be fantastic and keep me serviceably sharp blades for extended amounts of time. The old simple carbon and stainless steels work wonderful for a lot of people but they are severely outdated and the performance spectrum is SO much higher on modern steels that they don't really have a place in modern performance knives anymore. I mean even something like 52100 carbon or aeb-l stainless just blow them out the water in performance and touch up or sharpen up just as easily as the old simple steels yet they vastly out perform them. I really wish case would start doing more models like they just did the crossroads sod buster Jr and using modern powder steels in vintage designs. I got two of the cross rod sod JRs from smkw in the burlap micarta and G10 liners with cpm s35vn blades. Even those s35vn isn't no super high performance steel it's a lower tier performing powder steel but the difference between it and the old simple steels is HUGE and that's even considering the only half decent large batch factory heat treatments the performance is drastically higher. Now for most people they won't notice all that much of a difference because they just don't use the knives enough for it to really matter anyhow but for the people out there that work with a knife in their hands the difference is massive.
@ CV is a perfect blade steel for edc. I don’t need my blade to hold an edge for 6 months.
My grandfather always had his Case pocket knife with him. I saw him peel apples with it and do some whittling. He was proud of it. Thank you for explaining your perspective in a country way.
It’s good to hear somebody talk good about Case knives. A lot of you tube knife guys have nothing good to as about them. I know they’re not perfect. They’re the last man standing among lot time American makers. It stands to reason they’ve done something right to achieve that.
I have the CV case trapper with the yellow handles and it's my favorite knife for just about everything. When hunting season is here it never stays home . I cold blued mine and it looks great.
Thank you for a good explanation. I look for vanadium steel kitchen knives at goodwill and flea markets. I re-profile them at a thinner edge and they are great knives and cheap. Good stuff
We’ve used Case 54 patterns for years to skin deer & hogs, rough dress catfish and General every day chores. Their great knives!!
I do the exact same thing with my case conoe it's a 1968. Fine little unit
My yellow Case cv Trapper is a tool I use everyday. When the blade gets a little tarnished I rub a little brasso on it. Because I was taught to take care of my things. Mine peels an orange everyday, cuts boxes open, whittles a little, cleans my fingernails and cuts string. It’s been a scraper, a screwdriver and a really small hammer for small adjustments. Putting it in my pocket is just part of getting dressed. I can’t imagine a better tool, which is why I’ve carried it everyday for the last thirty five years. Every boy should have one. It teaches them responsibility, tool use and pride.
By the way that white one looks pretty nice. Thanks for the video.
A well done explanation of the materials good sir. Thank you.
Like many of us, I have carried case knives, and I have carried other types of knives as well. I really like Kershaw Ferdalist because of its steel blade and handle material.
I really like my case trapper. My son bought it for me for Christmas a few years ago and its been very reliable. It has the stainless blades and i use a belt sharpener to keep it sharp.
Going to add to this. A lot of people aren't aware of the added care NEEDED for CV knives because they don't know the difference between the two. Most knives today are SS so people are use to it, hence the reason they freak out when CV starts to rust or patina.
Stainless is overall softer than carbon steel. I put a good edge on a SS Old Timer 330T, yesterday, with just a few strokes. My new Case 6344 took over twice as many strokes to get a good edge on it.
Great explanation. I’ve been wondering about these steels for a while now, thank you. God bless!
Very good explanation. I love both types of steel for different reasons.
You took the words right out of my mouth, well said sir. I'm 66 yrs old and I have a ton of case knives in my collection and I agree case makes great knives. I have cv and stainless and I like both but I'm slightly partial to chrome vanadium. I also have put forced patina on some of mine with vinegar and mustard and it looks great with that yellow delrin. My last name is hays also without the e. I really enjoyed the video.
Great video. Thank you sir. I agree completely with what you're saying about guys today with their knives. Most guys don't care about them or are even scared of them. The ones that do often will show you the knife they carry every day it's just ridiculous. Big, chunky blades that don't do much more than cut open an amazon package. I'm 38, but my dad was an old timer and taught me how great a tool a pocket knife is. I do carry a one hand open knife at work a lot because I do often need that quick access for many my jobs, but I carry a case texas jack every day. Also just got a yellow copperhead that case rereleased this year that I will probably start carrying. I try not to get too many knives because so often I see men get so many of things like that and appreciate nothing.
a bucklite 112 is a one hand opening knife and soon so too will be my 110 LT a gerber gator is a one hand opening knife and so is a schrade+ 125ot
I've got hundreds of knives, and appreciate all of them
@@carmineredd1198your point is? There's alot of companies that make alot of models of one hand knives
This is just what I was looking for. A nice case steel 101 to educate me. Thank you 🙏
who wouldnt like case knives? its simple, elegant, and easy to use. Just open it up, and close it when you're done.
Some folks think stainless will not develop a patina, but it will. I have toted my Case 6344 most of the time for the past two months and it has really darkened up. It is a lot darker than the 6254 Trapper that I also have but have not toted it as much as the middle stockman.
If you want a really nice and dark patina in your CV blade get some limes cut em in half and smear the juice on the blade let it sit for awhile clean the gunk and repeat, do it few times and you can almost get a black blade... Looks really good with yella covers!!!
I've tried sticking blades in a grapefruit overnight. It's darkened them quite a bit.
It has not taken me a long time to sharpen my 6344, mid stockman, with SS blades. I just put it on my 8000 grit Kerye whetstone with a little soapy water and 10 licks and it will shave hair on my arm. Sure, I cut cardboard, paper and anything else that I need to cut, with the 6344 but I will wash it with soap and hot water if I use it on something like a tomato or orange, but I also oil it, afterwards with mineral oil.
I'm in my 30s and I love and carry a case knife everyday.
I have a bunch of both, but I prefer the CV because it doesn’t load up my stones when I sharpen them. I have an old bench stone that belonged to my great grandad and I avoid stainless on there as much as possible
Just subscribed love the video it was very educational. I have multiple SS Case knives and wanted to know other people's opinion on CV.
In my experience CV forms a nice patina and is easy to sharpen, but like Case stainless their heat treat is useable but way too soft in my opinion I get better edge retention from Opinel carbon steel.
God bless you sir, thank you.
I use Nevr-Dull metal polish and it works!
Great review!!! Thank you!!!
Stainless steel means rusts less, not never rust. I just learned this a few years ago. I have a buck 120, and a case barlow. I don't use them because I'm afraid to ruin the blade. Lol I carry a cheap barlow and a Gerber multi-tool. I'm gettin old enough that they'll be collector items if I don't use them.
I have the yellow case knife and it was my dad's the handel has turned black how do I clean it
Metal polish . And a rag will clean it . Dremel and a white cotton wheel is what I use .
@@cliffordhayesiii14 thank you I will try that.
Stainless also rusts worse than carbon steel if you let it rust. Acids and salty conditions attack the iron atoms in the stainless steel, so you can get massive pits via rust.
Nice review
Amen
I agree, Case knives are the best. They are the easiest to open, the blades are centered in the wells.
For you maybe.
Adapt and overcome, the motto of my branch of the armed forces. I take care of my knives. I have six sitting in front of me right now. I put oil on the hinge each week and rub any extra on the blades.
Carbon steel best but it rust case still makes a few
Why would you want to remove the patina that builds up on a CV blade? Kind of the point of having one. I live in Australia and use my Stockman every day, really handy at work and often used at lunchtime. Using a knife for self defence in this country is a ticket to jail. I have an Opinel in carbon steel that I forced a patina on the blade with (really hot) cider vinegar. The blade is now an even black colour. It is beautiful.
Good word bud
JMHO, do not force a patina (tarnish the blade). That's just faking it. It is saying look at how well cared for and used my knife is, even though in truth, it's never been used. Been carrying the same pocket knife for 45 years, and the blade is gray from use. ya just can't fake that.
Hey there. Do you or anyone on here have a Case Copperlock (not a mini) with a chrome vanadium blade for sale?? I am looking for one for my brother. We cannot find one anywhere; will pay top price for one in good shape.
No I don’t . They do look nice . I don’t know anyone who does .
Is that a Mini Trapper ?
No that’s the regular size
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I choose carbon steel over stainless any day of the week. My papa always said any metal that will rust will take a good edge and there is some truth to that.
I have owned both. Cv hold a edge longer.
Recently I got hold of a cs . Carbon steel case xx trapper from the 80’s . I like it even better then the cv . Holds edge even better then cv . 😁
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I think your use of softer is misleading.! CV is not softer than SS, SS has at least 13% Chromium content while CV has less than 13%. Chrome is what makes a blade stainless, not hard or soft.
Disagreement .. Cv is a softer metal.
I’ve based it on the time it takes to sharpen not on the statistics . And the time it takes to fill the blade . I carve and whittle a lot.
Depends on the type of SS that you're talking about. It's way softer than steels like vg10, s30v, s110v, etc.
Prefer the old car is steel
Slipjoint Guy says Case Knives are JUNK !
Case knives are still GREAT ! Been using them for 60 years.
It doesn't say stainless steel on it. It says, SS!
What do you think that stands for?
I quit buying CASE knives, both steels are too brittle.
I've never had a case knife that was brittle. Vg10, D2, S30v, N690, etc are brittle steel
@@dereksteele2284 Pry on something and see what happens. Old Camillus and Schrade Old Timer knives can be used to pry and not snap the tip off.
People conffuse a patina and a stain...patina takes years.
I own several case 6265 s they all have staining from acid from elk and deer blood wouldn’t trade them for anything