How Should The Ottawa Senators Set Up Their Top-4 On Defense Heading Into 2024-25 NHL Season?
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- The Ottawa Senators have shaken up their D-Core in a big way this off-season, so what is the best way to set it up moving forward?
Brandon Piller and Ross Levitan debate what the Top 4 should look like, where should newcomer Nick Jensen fit in? With Erik Brännström no longer in the organization, how does that affect the depth roles on the back end?
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I honestly think Matinpalo will beat out JBD in training camp
Dang im itching for this season to start. As a goalie im not even excited to watch ullmark play. I'm excited to hear about the way the Defense and coaches talk about how Ullmark used his experience to influence how the team could play around him. Im really hoping he has a major voice they listen to
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Yeah. lol I think it’s the type of thing where the owners know, but the average person working there, ie. the ones you actually see and deal with, have no clue what LOSP is.
I'm pumped for this season, can't wait to see this team cook!!!
Have a great weekend!! Can't wait to hear from Bellsy Monday
This is exactly why we need a 6th dman. Can’t hand JBD and Kleven NHL roles first day of camp. I think kleven will be a lock, but JBD should be fighting someone for that spot, and it can’t be Hamonic.
I still think they will be adding a new D man and a forward from the FA list. That will upgrade the depth chart against almost certain injuries.
I’m in the camp that they are going to add one more veteran RD in the 3rd slot.
You simply CANNOT go into this season with both JBD and Hamonic as options.
Probably not before the hammer leaves or retires. Odds are that’s “his spot to lose” but just got a feeling he’s gonna be that #6 D rather than being the #7. Do I like it? hell no lol
We can only pray this happens. Staios sounded confident in running Kleven, but he didn’t necessarily say he was comfortable with JBD and Hamonic. Not that he’d tell media what his plans are anyways.
But yeah. I desperately want a vet D for that bottom pairing. And I really want a vet forward for the fourth line as well. I’m not happy at all with a fourth line of Gregor, MacEwen, and say Highmore, or Crooker.
Love the 7 game series approach. This'll be funnnnnn!
Having defencemen that can actually defend would be nice,,afterwards if they can help out offensively then that’s a bonus. It’s too bad that having big physical and defensively solid defenceman that play a key role on any championship team seems seriously under appreciated.
The problem is the Sens are nowhere near competing for a championship, so worrying about “playoff style” is thinking way too far ahead. Sens need to make the playoffs first and then figure out what areas they are lacking in.
Plus plenty of people assume big and physical = good defensively. Like EDM let Desharnais walk (for good reason since he got 2M) and replaced him with Josh Brown. Desharnais is actually solid defensively while Brown is one of the few Dmen I’d argue is worse than Hamonic in the NHL. Just because they are built the same doesn’t mean they’re similar players.
I got my first authentic jersey in the mail i got Brady i wanted the 🐍 but they didn't have it i usually buy dhgate jerseys don't know why but I'm feeling this season more than any in the past 5 years
Helllll ya! Saw your note about being on the show too! What’s your email @ we’ll organize a time in the next couple weeks
Solid!
Beyond the skates look at this guy BRANDING
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I nearly spit my coffee out when Pilzy said Ullmark would score more goals than Branny XD
Ya need a big vet,shutdown,for third pairing to second pairing.A left shot,not a right,and big,not small.Examples,Tinordi,Logan Stanley,or another available player,like the 2 mentioned.
So, if I was the coach on opening night, and assuming everyone is healthy (*cough* Norris *cough cough*), this would be my line up:
Tkachuk Stützle Giroux
Perron Norris Batherson
Greig Pinto Amadio
**See note at bottom for fourth line**
Sanderson Zub
Chabot Jensen
Kleven JBD
Ullmark
Forsberg
Ok. So for the fourth line, I’d have Gregor on the left wing, and then any combination of the following players to fill out the rest: MacEwen, Crookshank, Ostapchuk, Gaudette, Highmore, Järventie. Basically whichever two have the best camps and pre-seasons.
I still badly want a vet D man for the bottom pairing, and another vet for the 4th line. But I’m not sure Staios is gonna do that.
The Short King!
Chabot deserves Zub. Sanderson-JBD deserves a good look. Kleven-Jensen would be a great shut down pairing.
Fascinating, hadn’t thought of this. I’m a JBD fan, but not sure if I want Sanderson with him in the event it messes up Sanderson for the first bit of the season. We’ve also seen Chabot and Zub before and it didn’t work out too well then. Idk, maybe it works out better this time under Green
@@preythemouseChabot Zub has been a strong pairing in past seasons, I'm not sure on your take here
Top 4 defensemen are totally set in stone to me because our current bottom pair of Kleven-JBD is a real problem. I think our RD depth is actually ok as I can honestly see Matinpalo or Guenette getting some reps this year. But I think we should look at getting a ~$2MM LD to shore up the bottom pair. Kleven will have opportunities to play with injuries, and there's basically no one else capable of callups. Ideally a bottom pair guy that can play both sides but is a big veteran, unlike Branny
Have you guys seen Jensen injury in April this past season? I'm concerned after seeing such a severe head injury.
Kylington makes sense because he can play both sides. I'm still thinking they need a right shot though as I don't think either JBD or Hamonic should be in your top 6. If Schultz remains unsigned and you can get him on a "prove you've still got it" deal at like 1.5M that would be my top choice, even if it means you end up losing JBD on waivers. In keeping with Staios' theme Schultz is another winner who could be a good mentor for Kleven and offers more ability to jump into the top 4 on the right than either JBD or Hamonic.
I also think there's a decent shot that Matinpalo overtakes JBD on the depth chart.
What’s wrong with JBD. He is only 24. He can be the number 6 guy without any problem, he ain’t that much older than Tyler K
About Guénette think hé us ready
Sandy and Zub is the way to go.
Zuberson
What concerns me is that both of our starting goalies will be UFA in 25/26.
Ulmark will get resigned this year
I have something you might want to think about.Calgary has Ramus Anderso ,and Weegar.What if you made a splash.Anderson or Weegar for Zub.Anderson might be the preferable player.Calgary has several Russians,he would have some fellow countryman to befriend.
Wee gar would be an upgrade but older
@joshlasky8138 30,I do believe,that's a players prime.He has 4 to 5 years of elite years.Anderson is 27,but isn't quite as good of a shutdown player,but still a solid top pairing right shot.Weegar to a 3 year deal could work,player option after 2 to walk,but has to take the rest of the contract with him.
Guys. It’s really really really rare that I don’t finish an episode. But I had to stop. I mean you didn’t have to hammer the nail again. We don’t care about Brannstrom. He is a dwarf that can play on a 3rd line. End. It won’t work at Colorado. Pillzy can you just stop. No one will miss him but you…
Gsg
Caufield with the same odds as brady is a joke lol. caufield the 50 goal scorer that hasnt scored 30 yet.
That's a pretty weak defense going into next season. At least last year there was competition on the left side. The right side is slightly better this year. Overall, I think it's a step backwards from last year, including goal production from the D. Look what Washington did. They add Chychrun and his 14 goals and 41 points with Matt Roy (FA) and his 5 goals and 25 points. All it cost them was Jensen and his 1 goal and 14 points to Ottawa. I get that it's tough to get players to come to Canada now because of Trudeaus Taxes/inflation but this trade is very frustrating.
Really don’t get the argument that the Sens couldn’t keep Brännström at 2M. Especially after dumping Joseph.
Using CapWager (RIP CapFriendly) the Sens currently have just over 3.13M in cap space with a 21 man roster (Gregor-Gaudette-MacEwan 4th line, Hamonic 7th D).
If they just kept Branny at the 2M offer then they’d be a 1.13M and a 22 man roster. That’s still enough to sign a cheap 4th line option if they’d like, or just keep that cap space open. Hell, they probably coulda got him a bit cheaper if they gave him an extra year of term (ex 2years x 1.5M AAV). If they actually bought out Hamonic that would’ve given them an extra 700K or so in space, and then JBD would be the 7th.
Pillzy brought it up, but if an injury happens in the top4 the Sens could be in serious trouble. That means either Kleven is moved up (an unproven rookie), or both JBD/Hamonic are now in the lineup and one is playing in the top4 (not great). Branny provided that security blanket for the Sens since he can play both sides on D, has posted solid top4 results over the past few years, and is able to run one of the PP units.
Also not enough people are talking about how Jensen could easily continue to decline. He was a good 2nd pair defensive option for several years, but he’s coming off a bad year and is 34. There’s a legit chance he’s a 3rd pair Dman before next year is over. If the Sens just kept Brännström then they wouldn’t have to be banking on an older player bouncing back since he could’ve jumped up to take his minutes at 5v5.
Kleven may also not be ready for fulltime minutes next year. Banking on him being as effective in a 3rd pair role as Brännström is a tall order. Branny was a much more highly touted prospect coming up and it still took him a few years to figure it out. If Kleven struggles then the next best option at LD is Roos or Davies…
Just don’t get the narrative that Brännström didn’t establish himself in Ottawa and it was time to move on. In a 3rd pair role (where he would’ve been playing most of the year, and what the Sens are looking for now) he was great. Solid defensively, good in transition, put up respectable offensive numbers (similar 5v5 point totals as Sanderson over the past 2years), and being able to play either side. And when he got a chance to play in the top4 his results were usually pretty strong (w/ Chabot and Zub mostly).
Just seems like the Sens are banking on a best case scenario to happen (Chabot being healthy, Jensen bouncing back, AND Kleven being ready), and have no backup plans if any of those things happen. Especially when the backup plan, as of now, is Hamonic being the 7th D.
I think the danger was in Brannstrom's ability to file for arbitration. If he signed for 2M that would have been one thing, but if had filed for arbitartion he probably would have pointed to Timothy Liljegren's 3M contract as the comparable (similar career numbers and similar in that they are puck movers that can skate, don't put up a tonne of points, but have decent underyling defensive metrics). I don't think SS could risk him filing for arbitration and being tied to a higher arbitartion award.
I know that he ended up signing for 900 k, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been awarded more in arbitration. It also means that all 31 other teams didn't think he was worth 2M so maybe Staios isn't wrong here.
@@swammer13 arbitration is a fair point, but it’s a 2way street. There’s a chance that the arbiter agrees more so with the team and feels he’s not worth a significant raise. I get not wanting to not take that risk, but that falls on the GM/management to work on a deal before hand and avoid it.
As for him getting only 900K or whatever we don’t know what other offers he got. Maybe a team like San Jose or Chicago was willing to give him more AAV and/or term to go there. But seems like a smart choice to go to a legit contender for cheap, show what you can do on a bigger stage (compared to Ottawa), and have a good chance at stealing minutes from Girard (similar style player who always seems to be on the outs with the Avs).
I’ll be the first to eat crow if Branny struggles in Colorado and becomes just a tweener. But I feel like Sens fans are already preparing the argument of “they couldn’t afford him” or “he wouldn’t/didn’t perform like that here” for when he pops off.