Chris Watts: I think that Chris’ behavior is somewhat consistent with someone with Dependent Personality Disorder. The clinical criteria as put forth by the DSM-V are as follows: “A. An excessive and pervasive need to be taken care of, submissive, clinging, needy behavior due to fear of abandonment. This may be expressed by: Difficulty making routine decisions without input, reassurance, and advice from others. Requires others to assume responsibilities which they should be attending to. Fear of disagreeing with others and risking disapproval. Difficulty starting projects without support from others. Excessive need to obtain nurturance and support from others, even allowing other to impose themselves rather than risk rejection or disapproval. Feels vulnerable and helpless when alone. Desperately seeks another relationship when one ends. Unrealistic preoccupation with being left alone and unable to care for themselves. (American Psychiatric Association, 2013).” When Chris is in his relationship with Shanann, it was extremely evident that he allowed her to make all the decisions in the relationship and that he rarely had any input. This comes directly from Chris in the prison interview, is reinforced in multiple text messages, is reinforced by witness testimonies, and is reinforced by video evidence from Shanann’s Facebook profile. A very clear and consistent image is painted of a man who simply does what Shanann tells him to do and almost behaves as her third child. For example, he is not allowed to put a picture on the wall, on at least one occasion was not allowed to leave the house to take a friend to the airport before cleaning the basement, and was on many occasions rebuked by Shanann for making dumb mistakes like driving himself to the airport to go to NC and incurring excessive fees instead of using a ride service. It is clear after listening to Chris and to his friends and to Shanann’s friends that he is extremely submissive and never speaks up. When they were courting, he was once so submissive and conflict avoidant that he let her sleep on his lap for multiple hours while he needed to relieve himself. When Shanann left for North Carolina for 5 weeks, it should be noted that his relationship with Nichol immediately escalated to where he was spending nearly all of his off time at her house instead of at his own home where he was alone. When in his relationship with Nichol, there was evidence that he was relying on her for help on basic things like setting up a fitness app and finding an apartment - things that most men his age should feel confident doing on their own. This is a clear picture of someone who is extremely high in agreeableness (Big 5), has low self-confidence, and who likely feels dependent on strong females for support. However, as evidenced by the fact that when he turned 18, left home, and never came back and never relied on his parents for a home ever again, it is clear that this is likely not a pattern that is pervasive throughout his adult life. There is plenty of evidence to support the idea that when he does find himself alone, he is perfectly able to fend for himself. It appears as though the presence of strong females subdues his confidence. As for evidence of his competence when alone, there is plenty of evidence that he has had a stable employment history working skilled, technical jobs that require a high degree of independence.
1. There is little evidence that has has difficulty making routine decisions. 2. There is little evidence that he fails to take on daily responsibilities; in fact, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. 3. Chris does appear to demonstrate an intense fear of disagreeing with others, which is in line with someone very high in agreeableness, but whether this rises to the clinical level is unclear 4. There is very little evidence that Chris starts projects on his own without Shanann, but lack of evidence is not evidence of absence, and so given my inability to question anyone on this, I do not believe there is reason to believe this criteria has been met by the evidence available. 5. Because there is no evidence that Chris’s high agreeableness is motivated by an intense need for nurturance or support, there is no evidence this criteria is met by the evidence available. 6. There is very little information available on how Chris feels when he is alone (aside from in prison, which is an extraordinary circumstance), so this criteria is not met by the evidence available. 7. There is one example of Chris immediately replacing Shanann’s support with Nichol’s support when Shanann left for an extended period of time, but because we only have one example of this happening, this is not a pattern of behavior and so this criteria is not met by the evidence available. 8. Chris has never demonstrated a preoccupation with fear of being alone and has never demonstrated a lack of an ability to care for himself, so this criteria is definitively not met by the evidence available. For these reasons, I have concluded that Chris does not meet clinical criteria for DPD, but that his behavior is still quite similar to the behavior of those with DPD when he is around dominant females. In his prison interview he stated that he always felt slightly fearful when he was around Shanann. I therefore believe that his dependent behavior around females is much better explained by what is known as the “fawn” response, which is one of the four amygdala responses to threatening stimuli, the other 3 of which are fight, flight, and freeze. When the fawn response is activated, a person will engage in excessive people pleasing behaviors that are intended to reduce any possibility of conflict or danger. An exaggerated form of this response is Stockholm Syndrome. The “nice guy” persona that Chris plays when around Shanann is most likely a response to anxiety and conflict avoidance. There is a strong argument to be made that Shanann’s treatment of Chris rose to the level of abuse. If the genders were flipped, if Chris was a wife who wasn’t allowed to leave her house to drive friend to the airport to catch a plane, then people would be worried that she was being abused and that the husband was abusive. If Chris was a wife who told his friends that he had to be extremely careful around her husband because he could flip out in a burst of anger at any given moment, then people would be worried that the husband was abusive. If Chris was the wife of man who actively and repeatedly made bold and successful attempts to isolate her from her friends and family, going so far as taking him to the opposite side of the country with him, then people would be worried that the husband was abusive. If Chris was the wife of a man who coached her to hate and shut out his mother and father, then people would be worried that the husband was abusive. If you had heard a dozen stories from many different people saying that female Chris’s husband was excessively rude to her family, was excessively rude to people at her wedding, and was excessively rude to Chris, and had a quick and violent temper behind closed doors, then you would very reasonably conclude that she was being abused by her husband. Even though things are true and are backed up by the Discovery documents, we don’t exactly see things the same way when we flip the genders back. It feels like the condition of being male makes a person immune to domestic abuse and it doesn’t feel natural to speculate that a wife could be abusing a husband the way we are accustomed to hearing about husbands abusing their wives. I do think there is strong merit to this argument. This is strong support for the idea that the dependent personality traits we see in Chris are merely a response to Shanann’s behavior and are not inherent trends in Chris’s baseline personality.
Chris’s Baseline and History: With these basic ideas in mind, I will provide my wholistic analysis of Chris Watts’s behavior as evidenced by the Discovery documents and all available footage. Chris appears to be very low in extroversion, as per his consistent tendency to not fully engage in social interactions with Shanann, by his comments in law enforcement interviews, and per the testimony of his friends and acquaintances who describe him as quiet and reserved. It seems likely that he gets energy mostly from being alone rather than being with other people. A possible counter example is when, during his affair, he immediately started spending all his off time at Nichol Kessinger’s house rather than relaxing at home. This is a point in the direction of extraversion, but this could also be explained by the sudden, sharp drop in his level of social support, ie, his house was instantly dead quiet and was likely making him uncomfortable. As for general intelligence, he seems to be highly competent in mechanical trades such as automotive technology and oil and gas technology. There is a news report of one of his former teachers claiming he had a photographic memory, which was somewhat substantiated by an oil worker who said in a police interview that once he saw an oil site, he remembered it, but wether the teacher’s claim of genuine photographic memory is true is not clear. Because it is not in the Discovery document and because I can’t even verify that this person ever taught Chris, much less would be truthful, I don’t trust the report. Nevertheless, we do have very good reasons in the various interviews and in his employment record to believe that he has high mechanical competence. As for other recognized forms of intelligence, he does appear to be below average. For example, he took an extremely passive role in decision making in his marriage and occasionally demonstrated a lack of situational awareness, emotional intelligence, financial concepts, and legal concepts (regularly was told exactly what to do in Facebook videos by Shanann, readily handed all financial control over to Shanann, and demonstrated a profound lack of regard for legal advice after the murders, did a horrible job of lying to Shanann to make her feel better when she was in NC). As for agreeableness, he appears to be extremely high in agreeableness. In fact the most distinctive aspect of his personality is that of agreeableness. This extreme form of agreeableness is what is known in the Enneagram model as a Type 9. He is extremely conflict avoidant. There is a plethora of evidence to support the idea that he never once told Shanann, “No” or ever dared disagree with her. They both have said they never had a fight. The only minor disagreement they ever claimed to have was when Chris spent too much time talking to a girl at work and Shanann got angry about it. The neighbor Nate did report to police in body cam footage that he heard a lot of yelling coming from that house and that they fought often, but that claim was embellished and later retracted.
As for neuroticism, Chris appears to be quite low, meaning he is resistant to negative feelings. In fact, it is quite remarkable how low it is. I do not know of any evidence that Chris has ever been depressed or otherwise unhappy at any point in his life at all. Sure, there are of course going to be times in everyone’s life when they are somewhat depressed, but Chris has told us a lot about himself but has never mentioned feeling depressed or overcome with sadness at any point in his life. Even when in prison he seems to be be quite content. In the guard’s reports about Chris when he was in the Colorado jail, there is only evidence of him sitting around and reading his bible and being fully cooperative. When I listened to all his (available) phone calls while in jail, it became quite evident that he had exceptional coping skills. With someone higher in neuroticism, we would expect to see outward signs of extreme emotional distress in this situation rather than the strong, positive and hopeful behavior we observe in Chris at this very low point in his life. Instead of crumbling and becoming defeated, he appears to remain mentally strong. Now of course this could all be a show for his parents, but it even if it is a show, it is still a sign of low neuroticism since it would be much easier for him to show at least some signs of depression. The lack of neuroticism in Chris is fascinating. This fascination appears to be shared somewhat by the people in his life such as Shanann and his side of the family. Chris appears to be extremely resistant to negative emotionality. This will be further discussed later. As for emotional affect, his affect does appear to be slightly blunted, as it is made clear by his own reports, the reports of others, and the video/audio evidence that he has a difficult time expressing emotions. I don’t think there is good reason to believe that the issue is so much the affect himself, meaning this is probably associated with personality rather than any neurological issue, since he is able to emote when he decides to and certainly does laugh and grin at appropriate times. There is also plenty of evidence in his first confession that he is capable of normal affect when adequately stressed. Therefore I would say that his affect is slightly blunted, but not in a particularly relevant manner. I do not have much reason to suspect that he is “duping” or faking, as some would put it in the world of psychopathy and/or narcissism. I believe that because it is clear that he usually just decides not to emote for whatever reason. The emotions can be slightly awkward at times, particularly in Shanann’s Facebook videos, but this is much more likely due to general social awkwardness and anxiety towards emotions themselves rather than a total lack of normal emotions whatsoever. The simplest explanation is often the correct one, per Occam’s razor. It is extremely common for men to be raised with the expectation that showing emotions is generally not ok. This messaging can come from parents, culture, school, or even friends and in most cases is a combination of many of those influences. Some automatically draw a line between this and his mother, but I don’t think that’s a careful approach. So it is not likely that his slightly blunted affect is much more than a result of external pressures and perhaps a genetic disposition from his father to naturally be a bit less emotive than the average adult male.
As for primary attachment figures in his life, as per his phone conversation while in jail, he appears to be quite capable of meaningful, emotional engagement with his father, mother, and sister. The level of emotional connection appears to me to actually be deepest with his sister. I sensed some very authentic emotional connection there. He did appear to be most distant with his mother. That was most likely due to lack of affective mirroring on her part. Chris is a very laid back person with low energy and low emotionality and so when a person like his mother comes in with a sudden tsunami of intense emotionality that is so different and opposite to his own, you would naturally expect him to shut down a little bit due to basic principles of human communication. We communicate best with people who communicate in our own language. We see a lot affective mirroring elsewhere in Chris in his text message communications with Shanann and Nichol. He sort of mirrors their intense emotionality and intense energy to sort of get on the same page or on the same wave length, if you will. When the concept of mirroring is taken to the extreme in interpersonal relationships - when you have someone mirroring their very personality after you and then when they actually weaponize it against you, this is indicative of narcissism and emotional manipulation, but the type of mirroring I am talking about is much shallower in scope and is much more of a communication and basic interpersonal technique than the pathological, malignant behavior associated with narcissism. The lesser type of mirroring also has a body language component that is often used by behavioral analysts to establish a state of safety and empathy. So I do think the lack of affective reciprocity between Chris and his mother is somewhat to blame for the sub-par emotional connection there. As discussed elsewhere, there really isn’t much merit to the idea that his mother is narcissistic, but there may be evidence that she is more controlling and dominant than most mothers. I do not necessarily believe this is causing distance between them here. All I see here is a mother who has nothing but love for her son and a son who isn’t necessarily able to rise to the level of emotionality as her, but is trying to reach it. As for his attachment to his father, there is clear evidence that they were very close during his childhood and I think it was mentioned somewhere that he was a “daddy’s boy”. For instance, when he left after high school, his father was so devastated by his absence that he began to rely on substances to cope with the neuroticism. It seems to be a consistent pattern that the main thing they share together is a love for sports, cars, and Nascar races. It seems to be such a strong trend that it’s almost a running joke within the family, as evidenced by the multiple times at the end of the jail phone calls when they would at the last minute tell Ronnie to start talking with Chris about sports. This indicates to me that they have a fairly strong attachment bond. It doesn’t appear as though there was any attachment trauma here. It appears to be quite secure. All three of these relationships, with the possible exception of the one with his mother, appear to be quite secure. I do remember that in the prison interview he mentioned that his sister Jamie acted more like a mother figure than a sister figure given the age difference, which isn’t necessarily healthy. Many have attributed this detail to narcissism in his mother, but I think that is a huge leap. There are so many other reasons this may have happened within the bounds of normal psychology and that doesn’t even include the practical reasons it may have happened. So what is important here is that he at least has two strong attachment figures in his immediate family from birth, one male, and at least one female, but very possibly two female. This is important because understanding this can be very helpful when assessing the possibility of personality disorders later on, since personality disorders are usually caused by attachment issues in childhood. As for relationship with his children, Chris appears to be a primary caregiver, as evidenced by his intimate knowledge of their daily routines, as evidenced by the fact that he takes them to school/daycare in the morning and also picks them up, and also as evidenced by the fact that he is often seen on Facebook videos behaving in a very empathetic and supportive way towards them. I went through as many of the Facebook videos as I could subject myself to, and the only instance I ever caught of Chris acting in any remotely negative manner towards them is when he is doing squats with Bella sitting on his shoulders and briefly scolds her for leaning too far forward and throwing him off balance. I am not aware of any examples where his behavior towards them could possibly be viewed as even remotely abusive or harmful (before the affair). All the evidence points to the idea that he is a very loving, caring father who provides very consistent attention and care for both their practical and emotional needs. He can always be seen in the background of the videos giving them his full, undivided attention. This type of parenting is the best way to raise well-mannered children with secure attachment styles. It appears as though he is an exceptional father by all accounts.
As for his friendships, it is universally said that no one in his entire life - early and late - can find anything bad to say about him. His family has consistently said that he has a pure heart. All his friends report that he is a fairly quiet person, hard to read, hard to get to know, but isn’t bad to have around. He doesn’t have many friends, as is normal for the introverted types, but doesn’t appear to experience any real difficulty maintaining and creating friendships, as evidenced by the fact that he was friends with several people at work, was being invited to outings with people he didn’t know, and was at the very least actively participating in whatever social gathering that Shanann dragged him into. He didn’t appear to demonstrate any clinically significant social deficits in the Facebook live videos other Facebook page. He certainly doesn’t seem like he wants to be there or is comfortable in any way, and this is of course perfectly within the realm of normal psychology, but he is clearly capable of repeatedly playing the part and behaving in a quite normal, sociable manner while on camera. There is no evidence of clinically significant deficits in social skills as far as I can see. So while he is hard to read, hard to get to know, and a bit socially awkward, I see no evidence of any personality disorder or anything like ASD or Aspergers. This seems to be explainable by normal human psychology and regular personality theory. It seems as though his non-familial interpersonal relationships are nothing more than ordinary and that he never gave any of his friends, employers, or acquaintances any reason to ever think ill of him. They only had good things to say. While this doesn’t necessarily indicate he was properly socialized during childhood, it is strong evidence against any personality, mood, dissociative, anxiety, eating, sleep, depressive, or substance-related disorders. In other words, by all appearances, he seems to be of good mental health. As for early romantic relationships, Chris has stated that he only had one or two girlfriends in high school and they only stuck for up to 6 months. Shanann has stated that he “has no game” in the context of dating. This seems to be consistent with what we know about his slightly muted personality. This seems to be perfectly normal among the more introverted types. As for his only marriage relationship, he appears to have a strong attachment to his wife. Up until the last 6 months, there is good evidence that they were still very close after 8 years of being together - regularly touching each other, making out, exchanging I love you’s, etc. The relationship dynamic appears to be very stable with very few fights and very little drama. It appears as though the relationship is so stable because of Chris’s extremely high agreeableness and conflict avoidance. Coupled with the more controlling types, these types of personalities are likely to invite abuse. Whether this was the case for Chris will be discussed later on. As evidenced by the Facebook live videos, Chris and Shanann do not appear to be very well in sync with each other, however. The lack of affective mirroring appears to be acting as a sort of wedge between them. I’m curious to know how long that had been happening - whether or not this was aggravated by Thrive or whether it started well before that. It seems as though this is Shanann’s world and Chris is living in it. There is little evidence that Chris starts his own projects around the house. Chris has stated that he feels anxious when around Shanann and that he can’t be himself around her. For example, Shanann has reported that he didn’t eat the first few times they went out together. Whether this was simply due to the situation or whether it was due to Shanann’s personality or rather a combination of both is unclear. So we have a stable, nearly decade long relationship that has resulted in multiple children, but the father appears to be very passive while the female is very dominant and perhaps even abusive towards the male. This isn’t necessarily toxic, but because of the extremely unequal power dynamic, the likelihood of toxicity is quite high. As for decision making, Chris seems as though despite his slightly blunted affect, he likely makes decisions based more on emotions rather than on logical reasoning. I suspect this because he has a pattern of making irrational decisions for emotional reasons. For example, he chased Shanann in a very passionate way, he stayed in a relationship with Shanann a lot longer than most people would when driven by logic, he seems to be very much controlled by his emotional fear of conflict, and he regularly demonstrates a fairly high degree of empathy, particularly for his girls. Also, he became extremely emotionally driven during his affair.
Chris Watts and Chris Coleman are pretty similar, grew up quiet and sullen with parents lacking emotional intelligence and empathy. Both parents disproved the wife. They have predisposition to be narcissistic and further nurtured by parents. They both decided to decimate the family to start anew with mistress. They carried out the crime as planned. Both parents defended them, blaming the wife. Both had wives who were attractive stay-at-home moms and who knew their husbands were cheating but wanted to make their marriages work...until they got killed.
Isn’t that nuts? The recipe for a sociopath ir malignant narcissist is to have parents this are totlaly emotionally shut off. That of course means no empathy- and empathy is required to love another person. So their parents didn’t love them and everything was transactional and conditional. My god, no wonder both Chris’ became monsters.
I think this case is such a sore subject for some because some of us can actually relate to some of the behaviors surrounding this case. I just learned something about myself 16 min. in. Thank you for covering this case from a psychological perspective. It is refreshing to see someone covering this case without being negative towards either side. I def would love to hear what you think about SW and her behavior towards her children from her countless videos.
I agree. I have learned a lot about myself and my flaws from this case. That's what true crime community is about. Growing and changing to the better from these tragedies. ------ Full disclosure is important though.
@@lesliekupchanko5001 Yes, how true. The other side effect I've discovered through watching True Crime channels is an abundance of gratitude that my life is so simple and nice in comparison to the sad lives we hear about.
@@flowerjpotter1629 I'm glad you're watching and learning despite your good life (and gratitude) They say we should never lose our thirst for knowledge. 🤍
Makes sense. I think he felt trapped and finally snapped. It seems relaxed afterwards as he is finally free. This marriage should have ended a long time ago.
Chris Watts left home at 18 and when he meet SW he had alot of money in the bank. I also heard CW had a break down in isolation. If you Google Chris Watts yelling it will come up.
And he owns a classic muscle car that he had to sell because of her spending. When she met him she had been charged with embezzlement from a previous employer.
@@ajordan1976yes, her and dirty South owner, she started as his nanny then worked books at cell phone business and DS…Hisham a middle eastern guy….. I don’t remember what live she did and he was on chat,.. idk what he said that SW said “whatever, Hisham!” Also after they dropped the charges she put house up for sale and ran out of state….then posted on fb “ mr&mrs king” which was her ex husband’s name. This was when she was married Chris
Do one on Shamann's family too the mother trying to start a cooking show in her new 200,000 outdoor kitchen was just bizarre. The dad and brother are even weirder
I'm pretty sure Cindy will be vindicated if Jordon does one. She was reacting from grief and spoke out too soon..... Have some patience with her. She probably will never live it down.
Chris Watts was dead from the toes up. All his life he was empty, he played a game and killed his family when another woman offered him another game to play
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He doesnt seem to offer ppl much to not like about himself. Not much depth or emotional sharing. His family talks at him because he offers little conversation. Social awkwardness.
SW was publicly abusive to CW … hard to watch. Why didn’t he pull the truck over and let the girls out into the night??! Frankly I’m surprised it took him 8 years before he lost control. SW was a nightmare.
Shanann is in the works (a 2-3 hour video from 24 pages of notes). I only have a couple of paragraphs of notes on NK though, but there may be a short video where I briefly discuss the others. I only have a couple of notes on NK because our information on her is EXTREMELY limited compared to what we need for any remotely thorough analysis. The best I can do is analyze her relationship with Chris. The basic pattern there is an extremely typical, workplace, limerant affair. So not much to talk about.
No. A guard that was over him before he accepted the plea deal said he screamed out crying when they told him he had to plead guilty to killing his kids also or they would not take the death penalty off the table. This guard said he dropped to his knees crying saying ‘NO I DID NOT KILL MY KIDS AND I WILL NOT SAY I DID’ he was told he did not have to say he did at sentencing all he had to do was say ‘yes’ to the judge on each charge. So yes he did cry and evn scream out about agreeing to that part of the plea deal.
They all cry when they get caught. Rest in peace beautiful Shanann and family that this monster annihilated. Too good for this socially inept moron. How positive and empathetic could he have been if he stuffed the two daughters into the oil pits and buried his wife and son in a shallow grave? Waste of time here.
Only because he didn’t want people to know he killed his girls because killing a wife isn’t as nearly as heinous as killing your kids, his narcissism means his image is everything
Yep, Nichole A was her carer hired by Sandy. Remember Sandy said, 'check the knives'.. They all knew SR was a HUGE liability and a trainwreck waiting to happen with all her debts.
@@debbieramsey2696makes sense…. She posted the photo of doll covered up w sheet, in discovery they tried to make it look like it was him taunting SW…..the lindstroms were one of few that said the truth and didn’t go along w her thrivers/fans….they said worse case scenario they thought she took herself out & girls ….
I believe that Jamie is 7 years older than Chris so she is a girl a woman who wanted to take care of her little brother in my situation my son is 7 years older than his sister and they've never gotten alone I don't know why I got another kid in there in between which they are 5 years apart but I don't know what to say I do believe because Jamie was his older sister he was a younger brother due to that motherly woman whatever she wrapped her arms around him and took care of him I believe that Ronnie and Cindy Watts did did everything for Chris not in a bad way but in a good way his dream was NASCAR! He didn't have carpal tunnel believe me I know I had surgery on both my hands it was a waitress for 38 years I would go to sleep at night and it was a toothache throbbing in the palm of my hands she lied to him he didn't know any better I'm not going to say that he wasn't smart he just listened to what she said and she wanted him home she didn't want him out running around she didn't want to go into the gym she didn't want him running in the park she wants him to have any friends the man couldn't even do fantasy football because she said no ain't no way in hell my husband would tell me no you can't do that and I would never tell him no you can't do that that's ridiculous
Yes!!!!! I agree! In my opinion it is a form of control taking him and moving him away from his family and friends to isolate him; telling him he could not have any contact with his family and using the children as a pawn. SW doesn't stop there, besides constantly emasculating him, she diagnosed him with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome so he would leave the field of his dreams to work in the oil industry. It seemed that being a mechanic was frowned upon as it is subtly mentioned in SW's mother's 10 pg ltr to Det. Bomhauver. The self diagnosing of several illnesses with respect to CW, SW and the children is scary. SW would also take the children to tons of specialists as if she was searching for a SPECIFIC diagnosis yet never sought prenatal care for her unborn child. That doesn't make sense to me at all. In the videos we see CW as being the attentive parent. The children were in daycare for approx. 9 hours a day while SW was at home. So many things don't make sense.
Shan’Ann didn’t want Chris working all the time, she couldn’t look after the kids alone so she told him he had carpool tunnel syndrome to get him to leave his job! Dr Shan’Ann in the house!
Chris did get upset in one of the videos when he had one of the children on his shoulders and they allegedly spit in him. Review the videos because he became visibly and audibly upset
I’m pretty sure I mentioned this in the video, but it’s definitely in my notes that were posted here as a comment. From what I remember, it was because she leaned too far forward and he raised his voice to rebuke. From what I remember, and according to my notes, it wasn’t anywhere remotely close to an unreasonable raising of the voice. It’s a nothingburger.
@@jordanhenshaw absolutely correct. It was a perfectly appropriate response to an inappropriate behavior that had to be corrected right there and then. Even if Shannon was going to continue to encourage the girls to lay their hands on other people and to spit and so forth he had every responsibility as a father to make it clear in no uncertain terms that it was not acceptable behavior. It was a perfect response.
It’s normal to feel anger and slightly raise your voice to a toddler who spits or hits…. I agree nothing Only thing is he was speeding in NC but I also don’t fully trust sandy rs accounts
Is it fair to say, "what feeds repression is unnormal (potentially dangerous over time)?" Your analysis is excellent, but I wonder if, to be a full analysis, it should be balanced or influenced by the affects of repression. Not that your analysis discounts repression, but I didn't hear you mention it very much to speak of. Your personality analysis was very helpful, thanks...
Yes He repressed himself. A long-term life of it. There's a strong opinion about Aspbergers (sp?) He himself in prison wrote a letter acknowledging this possibility. He said, if it was true, he wished he was diagnosed way earlier with it.
It is very strange that Chris does not show any emotion since his his two daughters are no longer on earth. I just can't get over that. I am happy he is reading the NT. We all have to face God at some pointing life and/or after life.
It's called shock. A LOT of people when faced with the passing of family and friends don't cry or even laugh out of sheer shock... It's terribly sad. He has cried during personal phone calls to his family.
I don't think she's the culprit though.... (Other than taking too much of an advantage of his quiet nature) People, watch out for the quiet submissive child. Make them express themselves like a normal child. Although, she might've thought his dad had-chris's-back. I don't think we should judge her so harshly.
DPD does not explain how he had the capacity to kill two little girls and drop them in crude oil tankers, or how he could without any remorse kill their pregnant mother. Chris is psychopathic, and that diagnosis should have a place in the DSM. He meets at least 15 of the Hares checklist criterion imo. I think he demonstrates cognitive development problems , very low on social skills and general knowledge. Family of origin dysfunction is a big part of Chris's problem. I think what you see as dependency could be manipulative and parasitic behaviours.
@@Madmen604 Chris scores a 0 on the Hares checklist. He did not have the capacity to kill his kids in the manner described. However, he was fully capable of killing someone who just murdered his kids. Anyone is capable of panicking and going to great lengths to hide bodies-even it it’s not your fault they’re dead.
Aww sorry you werent feeling well. Thanks for the education, i came away with alot from this video & i appreciate you for your knowledge . Its very interesting information . I definitely appreciate your work & subbed to your channel. Looking forward to more of your videos when you feel better. Thank you!1
@anitaholst7671 Hi Anita No one comes through life unscathed. So yes, we are all victim. It's what we do with the harm that counts. Maturity and growing on and growing normal should be the norm
And so he murdered his two babies in the most horrific way?? He murdered his son. She may or may not have been a b--- but she never murdered anyone and certainly not her babies. She is not here to defend herself. Chris is a monster. His daughters deserved so much better. And, so did Shanann and Niko. This analysis is superficial.
I have to say he was probably embarrassed with his friends he couldn't even go out to go have a goddamn happy hour with them even though he didn't drink maybe here and there he could not even go out and have a happy hour with him for 2 hours on a Friday if he feel like it cuz he couldn't do it she would flip out if he tried I can't even imagine the man did not have a break all that ever happened to him in with her was control control probably be supposed to be home at 4:15 or 4:30 or 3:45 he better be there on time or she was going to have a flipping ass fit yes I do feel bad for him I don't think he killed the kids I think she did she took them out of she removed them from the picture like she said she was going to and he is covering up for her I wish you would tell the truth so Cindy and Ronnie can know the truth and I do not believe that that baby was his I do believe it was Chris Miller's and I don't even know if Chris Miller and his wife are still together but the R'S ARE HIDING A LOT! They know much more than they will let on Shannon and her mother did not get along admit about the bankruptcy admit about the house admit about the situation maybe somebody is going to learn and maybe somebody is going to understand! If you believe I have come home sometimes and told my husband how much I love him and how much I appreciate him and how lucky I am to have him in my life he doesn't stop me from doing anything except going to the thrift store and collecting junk and dumpster diving I can't even imagine how Christopher Watts dealt with being controlled and I mean controlled he probably regretted coming home from work every single day probably couldn't even stop at the damn gas station to grab a bag of Doritos or something because she was watching everything he did I'm not condoning what he did I'm not forgiving him but I do believe she killed those kids those girls and he flipped the heck out
Imo Chris didn’t want to socialise with his work mates so blamed Shan’Ann for it, I’m not a SW fan but I once had a boyfriend that would pretend I wasn’t “letting” him do something when he just didn’t want to.
@@carolinekelsall9080 Can you imagine the scandal (and hurt on Sharon's part) that would've caused. If the rumor is true? ------ The R's would not like that truth to get out.
Chris Watts:
I think that Chris’ behavior is somewhat consistent with someone with Dependent Personality Disorder. The clinical criteria as put forth by the DSM-V are as follows:
“A. An excessive and pervasive need to be taken care of, submissive, clinging, needy behavior due to fear of abandonment. This may be expressed by:
Difficulty making routine decisions without input, reassurance, and advice from others.
Requires others to assume responsibilities which they should be attending to.
Fear of disagreeing with others and risking disapproval.
Difficulty starting projects without support from others.
Excessive need to obtain nurturance and support from others, even allowing other to impose themselves rather than risk rejection or disapproval.
Feels vulnerable and helpless when alone.
Desperately seeks another relationship when one ends.
Unrealistic preoccupation with being left alone and unable to care for themselves. (American Psychiatric Association, 2013).”
When Chris is in his relationship with Shanann, it was extremely evident that he allowed her to make all the decisions in the relationship and that he rarely had any input. This comes directly from Chris in the prison interview, is reinforced in multiple text messages, is reinforced by witness testimonies, and is reinforced by video evidence from Shanann’s Facebook profile. A very clear and consistent image is painted of a man who simply does what Shanann tells him to do and almost behaves as her third child. For example, he is not allowed to put a picture on the wall, on at least one occasion was not allowed to leave the house to take a friend to the airport before cleaning the basement, and was on many occasions rebuked by Shanann for making dumb mistakes like driving himself to the airport to go to NC and incurring excessive fees instead of using a ride service. It is clear after listening to Chris and to his friends and to Shanann’s friends that he is extremely submissive and never speaks up. When they were courting, he was once so submissive and conflict avoidant that he let her sleep on his lap for multiple hours while he needed to relieve himself. When Shanann left for North Carolina for 5 weeks, it should be noted that his relationship with Nichol immediately escalated to where he was spending nearly all of his off time at her house instead of at his own home where he was alone. When in his relationship with Nichol, there was evidence that he was relying on her for help on basic things like setting up a fitness app and finding an apartment - things that most men his age should feel confident doing on their own. This is a clear picture of someone who is extremely high in agreeableness (Big 5), has low self-confidence, and who likely feels dependent on strong females for support. However, as evidenced by the fact that when he turned 18, left home, and never came back and never relied on his parents for a home ever again, it is clear that this is likely not a pattern that is pervasive throughout his adult life. There is plenty of evidence to support the idea that when he does find himself alone, he is perfectly able to fend for himself. It appears as though the presence of strong females subdues his confidence. As for evidence of his competence when alone, there is plenty of evidence that he has had a stable employment history working skilled, technical jobs that require a high degree of independence.
1. There is little evidence that has has difficulty making routine decisions.
2. There is little evidence that he fails to take on daily responsibilities; in fact, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
3. Chris does appear to demonstrate an intense fear of disagreeing with others, which is in line with someone very high in agreeableness, but whether this rises to the clinical level is unclear
4. There is very little evidence that Chris starts projects on his own without Shanann, but lack of evidence is not evidence of absence, and so given my inability to question anyone on this, I do not believe there is reason to believe this criteria has been met by the evidence available.
5. Because there is no evidence that Chris’s high agreeableness is motivated by an intense need for nurturance or support, there is no evidence this criteria is met by the evidence available.
6. There is very little information available on how Chris feels when he is alone (aside from in prison, which is an extraordinary circumstance), so this criteria is not met by the evidence available.
7. There is one example of Chris immediately replacing Shanann’s support with Nichol’s support when Shanann left for an extended period of time, but because we only have one example of this happening, this is not a pattern of behavior and so this criteria is not met by the evidence available.
8. Chris has never demonstrated a preoccupation with fear of being alone and has never demonstrated a lack of an ability to care for himself, so this criteria is definitively not met by the evidence available.
For these reasons, I have concluded that Chris does not meet clinical criteria for DPD, but that his behavior is still quite similar to the behavior of those with DPD when he is around dominant females. In his prison interview he stated that he always felt slightly fearful when he was around Shanann. I therefore believe that his dependent behavior around females is much better explained by what is known as the “fawn” response, which is one of the four amygdala responses to threatening stimuli, the other 3 of which are fight, flight, and freeze. When the fawn response is activated, a person will engage in excessive people pleasing behaviors that are intended to reduce any possibility of conflict or danger. An exaggerated form of this response is Stockholm Syndrome. The “nice guy” persona that Chris plays when around Shanann is most likely a response to anxiety and conflict avoidance.
There is a strong argument to be made that Shanann’s treatment of Chris rose to the level of abuse. If the genders were flipped, if Chris was a wife who wasn’t allowed to leave her house to drive friend to the airport to catch a plane, then people would be worried that she was being abused and that the husband was abusive. If Chris was a wife who told his friends that he had to be extremely careful around her husband because he could flip out in a burst of anger at any given moment, then people would be worried that the husband was abusive. If Chris was the wife of man who actively and repeatedly made bold and successful attempts to isolate her from her friends and family, going so far as taking him to the opposite side of the country with him, then people would be worried that the husband was abusive. If Chris was the wife of a man who coached her to hate and shut out his mother and father, then people would be worried that the husband was abusive. If you had heard a dozen stories from many different people saying that female Chris’s husband was excessively rude to her family, was excessively rude to people at her wedding, and was excessively rude to Chris, and had a quick and violent temper behind closed doors, then you would very reasonably conclude that she was being abused by her husband. Even though things are true and are backed up by the Discovery documents, we don’t exactly see things the same way when we flip the genders back. It feels like the condition of being male makes a person immune to domestic abuse and it doesn’t feel natural to speculate that a wife could be abusing a husband the way we are accustomed to hearing about husbands abusing their wives. I do think there is strong merit to this argument. This is strong support for the idea that the dependent personality traits we see in Chris are merely a response to Shanann’s behavior and are not inherent trends in Chris’s baseline personality.
Chris’s Baseline and History:
With these basic ideas in mind, I will provide my wholistic analysis of Chris Watts’s behavior as evidenced by the Discovery documents and all available footage.
Chris appears to be very low in extroversion, as per his consistent tendency to not fully engage in social interactions with Shanann, by his comments in law enforcement interviews, and per the testimony of his friends and acquaintances who describe him as quiet and reserved. It seems likely that he gets energy mostly from being alone rather than being with other people. A possible counter example is when, during his affair, he immediately started spending all his off time at Nichol Kessinger’s house rather than relaxing at home. This is a point in the direction of extraversion, but this could also be explained by the sudden, sharp drop in his level of social support, ie, his house was instantly dead quiet and was likely making him uncomfortable.
As for general intelligence, he seems to be highly competent in mechanical trades such as automotive technology and oil and gas technology. There is a news report of one of his former teachers claiming he had a photographic memory, which was somewhat substantiated by an oil worker who said in a police interview that once he saw an oil site, he remembered it, but wether the teacher’s claim of genuine photographic memory is true is not clear. Because it is not in the Discovery document and because I can’t even verify that this person ever taught Chris, much less would be truthful, I don’t trust the report. Nevertheless, we do have very good reasons in the various interviews and in his employment record to believe that he has high mechanical competence. As for other recognized forms of intelligence, he does appear to be below average. For example, he took an extremely passive role in decision making in his marriage and occasionally demonstrated a lack of situational awareness, emotional intelligence, financial concepts, and legal concepts (regularly was told exactly what to do in Facebook videos by Shanann, readily handed all financial control over to Shanann, and demonstrated a profound lack of regard for legal advice after the murders, did a horrible job of lying to Shanann to make her feel better when she was in NC).
As for agreeableness, he appears to be extremely high in agreeableness. In fact the most distinctive aspect of his personality is that of agreeableness. This extreme form of agreeableness is what is known in the Enneagram model as a Type 9. He is extremely conflict avoidant. There is a plethora of evidence to support the idea that he never once told Shanann, “No” or ever dared disagree with her. They both have said they never had a fight. The only minor disagreement they ever claimed to have was when Chris spent too much time talking to a girl at work and Shanann got angry about it. The neighbor Nate did report to police in body cam footage that he heard a lot of yelling coming from that house and that they fought often, but that claim was embellished and later retracted.
As for neuroticism, Chris appears to be quite low, meaning he is resistant to negative feelings. In fact, it is quite remarkable how low it is. I do not know of any evidence that Chris has ever been depressed or otherwise unhappy at any point in his life at all. Sure, there are of course going to be times in everyone’s life when they are somewhat depressed, but Chris has told us a lot about himself but has never mentioned feeling depressed or overcome with sadness at any point in his life. Even when in prison he seems to be be quite content. In the guard’s reports about Chris when he was in the Colorado jail, there is only evidence of him sitting around and reading his bible and being fully cooperative. When I listened to all his (available) phone calls while in jail, it became quite evident that he had exceptional coping skills. With someone higher in neuroticism, we would expect to see outward signs of extreme emotional distress in this situation rather than the strong, positive and hopeful behavior we observe in Chris at this very low point in his life. Instead of crumbling and becoming defeated, he appears to remain mentally strong. Now of course this could all be a show for his parents, but it even if it is a show, it is still a sign of low neuroticism since it would be much easier for him to show at least some signs of depression. The lack of neuroticism in Chris is fascinating. This fascination appears to be shared somewhat by the people in his life such as Shanann and his side of the family. Chris appears to be extremely resistant to negative emotionality. This will be further discussed later.
As for emotional affect, his affect does appear to be slightly blunted, as it is made clear by his own reports, the reports of others, and the video/audio evidence that he has a difficult time expressing emotions. I don’t think there is good reason to believe that the issue is so much the affect himself, meaning this is probably associated with personality rather than any neurological issue, since he is able to emote when he decides to and certainly does laugh and grin at appropriate times. There is also plenty of evidence in his first confession that he is capable of normal affect when adequately stressed. Therefore I would say that his affect is slightly blunted, but not in a particularly relevant manner. I do not have much reason to suspect that he is “duping” or faking, as some would put it in the world of psychopathy and/or narcissism. I believe that because it is clear that he usually just decides not to emote for whatever reason. The emotions can be slightly awkward at times, particularly in Shanann’s Facebook videos, but this is much more likely due to general social awkwardness and anxiety towards emotions themselves rather than a total lack of normal emotions whatsoever. The simplest explanation is often the correct one, per Occam’s razor. It is extremely common for men to be raised with the expectation that showing emotions is generally not ok. This messaging can come from parents, culture, school, or even friends and in most cases is a combination of many of those influences. Some automatically draw a line between this and his mother, but I don’t think that’s a careful approach. So it is not likely that his slightly blunted affect is much more than a result of external pressures and perhaps a genetic disposition from his father to naturally be a bit less emotive than the average adult male.
As for primary attachment figures in his life, as per his phone conversation while in jail, he appears to be quite capable of meaningful, emotional engagement with his father, mother, and sister. The level of emotional connection appears to me to actually be deepest with his sister. I sensed some very authentic emotional connection there. He did appear to be most distant with his mother. That was most likely due to lack of affective mirroring on her part. Chris is a very laid back person with low energy and low emotionality and so when a person like his mother comes in with a sudden tsunami of intense emotionality that is so different and opposite to his own, you would naturally expect him to shut down a little bit due to basic principles of human communication. We communicate best with people who communicate in our own language. We see a lot affective mirroring elsewhere in Chris in his text message communications with Shanann and Nichol. He sort of mirrors their intense emotionality and intense energy to sort of get on the same page or on the same wave length, if you will. When the concept of mirroring is taken to the extreme in interpersonal relationships - when you have someone mirroring their very personality after you and then when they actually weaponize it against you, this is indicative of narcissism and emotional manipulation, but the type of mirroring I am talking about is much shallower in scope and is much more of a communication and basic interpersonal technique than the pathological, malignant behavior associated with narcissism. The lesser type of mirroring also has a body language component that is often used by behavioral analysts to establish a state of safety and empathy. So I do think the lack of affective reciprocity between Chris and his mother is somewhat to blame for the sub-par emotional connection there. As discussed elsewhere, there really isn’t much merit to the idea that his mother is narcissistic, but there may be evidence that she is more controlling and dominant than most mothers. I do not necessarily believe this is causing distance between them here. All I see here is a mother who has nothing but love for her son and a son who isn’t necessarily able to rise to the level of emotionality as her, but is trying to reach it. As for his attachment to his father, there is clear evidence that they were very close during his childhood and I think it was mentioned somewhere that he was a “daddy’s boy”. For instance, when he left after high school, his father was so devastated by his absence that he began to rely on substances to cope with the neuroticism. It seems to be a consistent pattern that the main thing they share together is a love for sports, cars, and Nascar races. It seems to be such a strong trend that it’s almost a running joke within the family, as evidenced by the multiple times at the end of the jail phone calls when they would at the last minute tell Ronnie to start talking with Chris about sports. This indicates to me that they have a fairly strong attachment bond. It doesn’t appear as though there was any attachment trauma here. It appears to be quite secure. All three of these relationships, with the possible exception of the one with his mother, appear to be quite secure. I do remember that in the prison interview he mentioned that his sister Jamie acted more like a mother figure than a sister figure given the age difference, which isn’t necessarily healthy. Many have attributed this detail to narcissism in his mother, but I think that is a huge leap. There are so many other reasons this may have happened within the bounds of normal psychology and that doesn’t even include the practical reasons it may have happened. So what is important here is that he at least has two strong attachment figures in his immediate family from birth, one male, and at least one female, but very possibly two female. This is important because understanding this can be very helpful when assessing the possibility of personality disorders later on, since personality disorders are usually caused by attachment issues in childhood.
As for relationship with his children, Chris appears to be a primary caregiver, as evidenced by his intimate knowledge of their daily routines, as evidenced by the fact that he takes them to school/daycare in the morning and also picks them up, and also as evidenced by the fact that he is often seen on Facebook videos behaving in a very empathetic and supportive way towards them. I went through as many of the Facebook videos as I could subject myself to, and the only instance I ever caught of Chris acting in any remotely negative manner towards them is when he is doing squats with Bella sitting on his shoulders and briefly scolds her for leaning too far forward and throwing him off balance. I am not aware of any examples where his behavior towards them could possibly be viewed as even remotely abusive or harmful (before the affair). All the evidence points to the idea that he is a very loving, caring father who provides very consistent attention and care for both their practical and emotional needs. He can always be seen in the background of the videos giving them his full, undivided attention. This type of parenting is the best way to raise well-mannered children with secure attachment styles. It appears as though he is an exceptional father by all accounts.
As for his friendships, it is universally said that no one in his entire life - early and late - can find anything bad to say about him. His family has consistently said that he has a pure heart. All his friends report that he is a fairly quiet person, hard to read, hard to get to know, but isn’t bad to have around. He doesn’t have many friends, as is normal for the introverted types, but doesn’t appear to experience any real difficulty maintaining and creating friendships, as evidenced by the fact that he was friends with several people at work, was being invited to outings with people he didn’t know, and was at the very least actively participating in whatever social gathering that Shanann dragged him into. He didn’t appear to demonstrate any clinically significant social deficits in the Facebook live videos other Facebook page. He certainly doesn’t seem like he wants to be there or is comfortable in any way, and this is of course perfectly within the realm of normal psychology, but he is clearly capable of repeatedly playing the part and behaving in a quite normal, sociable manner while on camera. There is no evidence of clinically significant deficits in social skills as far as I can see. So while he is hard to read, hard to get to know, and a bit socially awkward, I see no evidence of any personality disorder or anything like ASD or Aspergers. This seems to be explainable by normal human psychology and regular personality theory. It seems as though his non-familial interpersonal relationships are nothing more than ordinary and that he never gave any of his friends, employers, or acquaintances any reason to ever think ill of him. They only had good things to say. While this doesn’t necessarily indicate he was properly socialized during childhood, it is strong evidence against any personality, mood, dissociative, anxiety, eating, sleep, depressive, or substance-related disorders. In other words, by all appearances, he seems to be of good mental health.
As for early romantic relationships, Chris has stated that he only had one or two girlfriends in high school and they only stuck for up to 6 months. Shanann has stated that he “has no game” in the context of dating. This seems to be consistent with what we know about his slightly muted personality. This seems to be perfectly normal among the more introverted types.
As for his only marriage relationship, he appears to have a strong attachment to his wife. Up until the last 6 months, there is good evidence that they were still very close after 8 years of being together - regularly touching each other, making out, exchanging I love you’s, etc. The relationship dynamic appears to be very stable with very few fights and very little drama. It appears as though the relationship is so stable because of Chris’s extremely high agreeableness and conflict avoidance. Coupled with the more controlling types, these types of personalities are likely to invite abuse. Whether this was the case for Chris will be discussed later on. As evidenced by the Facebook live videos, Chris and Shanann do not appear to be very well in sync with each other, however. The lack of affective mirroring appears to be acting as a sort of wedge between them. I’m curious to know how long that had been happening - whether or not this was aggravated by Thrive or whether it started well before that. It seems as though this is Shanann’s world and Chris is living in it. There is little evidence that Chris starts his own projects around the house. Chris has stated that he feels anxious when around Shanann and that he can’t be himself around her. For example, Shanann has reported that he didn’t eat the first few times they went out together. Whether this was simply due to the situation or whether it was due to Shanann’s personality or rather a combination of both is unclear. So we have a stable, nearly decade long relationship that has resulted in multiple children, but the father appears to be very passive while the female is very dominant and perhaps even abusive towards the male. This isn’t necessarily toxic, but because of the extremely unequal power dynamic, the likelihood of toxicity is quite high.
As for decision making, Chris seems as though despite his slightly blunted affect, he likely makes decisions based more on emotions rather than on logical reasoning. I suspect this because he has a pattern of making irrational decisions for emotional reasons. For example, he chased Shanann in a very passionate way, he stayed in a relationship with Shanann a lot longer than most people would when driven by logic, he seems to be very much controlled by his emotional fear of conflict, and he regularly demonstrates a fairly high degree of empathy, particularly for his girls. Also, he became extremely emotionally driven during his affair.
Chris Watts and Chris Coleman are pretty similar, grew up quiet and sullen with parents lacking emotional intelligence and empathy. Both parents disproved the wife. They have predisposition to be narcissistic and further nurtured by parents. They both decided to decimate the family to start anew with mistress. They carried out the crime as planned. Both parents defended them, blaming the wife. Both had wives who were attractive stay-at-home moms and who knew their husbands were cheating but wanted to make their marriages work...until they got killed.
Isn’t that nuts? The recipe for a sociopath ir malignant narcissist is to have parents this are totlaly emotionally shut off. That of course means no empathy- and empathy is required to love another person. So their parents didn’t love them and everything was transactional and conditional. My god, no wonder both Chris’ became monsters.
I think this case is such a sore subject for some because some of us can actually relate to some of the behaviors surrounding this case. I just learned something about myself 16 min. in. Thank you for covering this case from a psychological perspective. It is refreshing to see someone covering this case without being negative towards either side. I def would love to hear what you think about SW and her behavior towards her children from her countless videos.
Don't worry, there's a probably 2-hour long psych analysis video on SW coming up. I have about 24 pages of notes on her.
Can’t wait for that 👏👏👏👏
I agree.
I have learned a lot about myself and my flaws from this case.
That's what true crime community is about.
Growing and changing to the better from these tragedies.
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Full disclosure is important though.
@@lesliekupchanko5001
Yes, how true.
The other side effect I've discovered through watching True Crime channels is an abundance of gratitude that my life is so simple and nice in comparison to the sad lives we hear about.
@@flowerjpotter1629
I'm glad you're watching and learning despite your good life (and gratitude)
They say we should never lose our thirst for knowledge.
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I’m glad I found this channel,I understand Shannan much better.
Makes sense. I think he felt trapped and finally snapped. It seems relaxed afterwards as he is finally free. This marriage should have ended a long time ago.
HE DID NOT SNAP!!!!👹
EVERYTHING POINTS TO PREMEDITATION!!
Chris should've stayed on the farm, should've listened to his old maaaannnn.
@@Tia-Louisa
He should've listened to his old mammm
@@carolray9156
Holy Cow.
Don't yell.
Maybe he slowly snapped.
Note:
We're not saying he should've grown up himself.
Chris Watts left home at 18 and when he meet SW he had alot of money in the bank. I also heard CW had a break down in isolation. If you Google Chris Watts yelling it will come up.
And he owns a classic muscle car that he had to sell because of her spending.
When she met him she had been charged with embezzlement from a previous employer.
@@ajordan1976yes, her and dirty South owner, she started as his nanny then worked books at cell phone business and DS…Hisham a middle eastern guy….. I don’t remember what live she did and he was on chat,.. idk what he said that SW said “whatever, Hisham!” Also after they dropped the charges she put house up for sale and ran out of state….then posted on fb “ mr&mrs king” which was her ex husband’s name. This was when she was married Chris
I recently started watching your channel. What you say makes so much sense.
What you analyzed makes so much sense
I love listening to you. You know what you are talking about. Thanks for making your videos I'm really enjoy them 😊
You’d have to be the most clear commentator on this case. You make sense. Thank you. Subbed.
Thanks!
Very interesting!
Please do one on that Cindy Watts person!😝
Do one on Shamann's family too the mother trying to start a cooking show in her new 200,000 outdoor kitchen was just bizarre. The dad and brother are even weirder
@@bryanlouro140 Yep her whole family behave like scammers. I can see where she got it from.. Scamming and squandering other peoples money.
I'm pretty sure Cindy will be vindicated if Jordon does one.
She was reacting from grief and spoke out too soon.....
Have some patience with her.
She probably will never live it down.
@@lesliekupchanko5001lmao that woman is as narcissistic as they come 😂
Chris Watts was dead from the toes up. All his life he was empty, he played a game and killed his family when another woman offered him another game to play
Exactly
Yes! Giving Thumbs up on All your videos!!
Thank you so much - I've watched all now
Chris also said every time to every one he talked to that sw said ‘Fyou Fyou and Fyou’ 3 times. (Chris + 2 girls=3)
I’ve heard something about that…. Was it in discovery or? I just don’t remember how that came to be
This is so interesting. Thank you.
I’m so happy to have found your channel!
I really enjoy your videos, where can I find part 2?
👍👍👍 I'm really enjoying your channel...............Anyone interested in an analysis of the Watts case (away from all the attention grabbing antics) should really watch this content!
This popped up in my feed and I'm gonna watch ! ❤❤❤
He doesnt seem to offer ppl much to not like about himself. Not much depth or emotional sharing. His family talks at him because he offers little conversation. Social awkwardness.
Not a disappointment at all! Subbed!
SW was publicly abusive to CW … hard to watch. Why didn’t he pull the truck over and let the girls out into the night??! Frankly I’m surprised it took him 8 years before he lost control. SW was a nightmare.
Hey I’m enjoying your videos! The way you explain is helping to understand
Thank you for your content
Please do a psychological analysis on Shanann and on Kessinger.
Shanann is in the works (a 2-3 hour video from 24 pages of notes). I only have a couple of paragraphs of notes on NK though, but there may be a short video where I briefly discuss the others. I only have a couple of notes on NK because our information on her is EXTREMELY limited compared to what we need for any remotely thorough analysis. The best I can do is analyze her relationship with Chris. The basic pattern there is an extremely typical, workplace, limerant affair. So not much to talk about.
@@jordanhenshaw thank you. I agree. Those two were in a limerence affair.
There seems to be an obsession with money or something with his parents and himself. He had a hard time accepting all of their money troubles
So would you if your partner was a gambler like SR. Are you totally unaware of ALL her squandering?
I disagree.
The Watt's family was much more humble about money than the R's.
EVERYBODY has their theory.
No. A guard that was over him before he accepted the plea deal said he screamed out crying when they told him he had to plead guilty to killing his kids also or they would not take the death penalty off the table. This guard said he dropped to his knees crying saying ‘NO I DID NOT KILL MY KIDS AND I WILL NOT SAY I DID’ he was told he did not have to say he did at sentencing all he had to do was say ‘yes’ to the judge on each charge. So yes he did cry and evn scream out about agreeing to that part of the plea deal.
They all cry when they get caught. Rest in peace beautiful Shanann and family that this monster annihilated. Too good for this socially inept moron. How positive and empathetic could he have been if he stuffed the two daughters into the oil pits and buried his wife and son in a shallow grave? Waste of time here.
So sad to be set up
Only because he didn’t want people to know he killed his girls because killing a wife isn’t as nearly as heinous as killing your kids, his narcissism means his image is everything
@@Girl-101 he sure has mental healt problems.. but he is far away from being a narsist.
For a father that didn’t kill his kids, he sure was calm while they were missing. That’s what I can’t figure out.
Did you see the letter Chris wrote in NC saying “ if anything happens to please investigate my wife “?!
Only protecting himself beforehand
She probably threatened him.
Yep, Nichole A was her carer hired by Sandy. Remember Sandy said, 'check the knives'.. They all knew SR was a HUGE liability and a trainwreck waiting to happen with all her debts.
It looks like he had a new "wife" back then...
@@debbieramsey2696makes sense…. She posted the photo of doll covered up w sheet, in discovery they tried to make it look like it was him taunting SW…..the lindstroms were one of few that said the truth and didn’t go along w her thrivers/fans….they said worse case scenario they thought she took herself out & girls ….
I believe that Jamie is 7 years older than Chris so she is a girl a woman who wanted to take care of her little brother in my situation my son is 7 years older than his sister and they've never gotten alone I don't know why I got another kid in there in between which they are 5 years apart but I don't know what to say I do believe because Jamie was his older sister he was a younger brother due to that motherly woman whatever she wrapped her arms around him and took care of him I believe that Ronnie and Cindy Watts did did everything for Chris not in a bad way but in a good way his dream was NASCAR! He didn't have carpal tunnel believe me I know I had surgery on both my hands it was a waitress for 38 years I would go to sleep at night and it was a toothache throbbing in the palm of my hands she lied to him he didn't know any better I'm not going to say that he wasn't smart he just listened to what she said and she wanted him home she didn't want him out running around she didn't want to go into the gym she didn't want him running in the park she wants him to have any friends the man couldn't even do fantasy football because she said no ain't no way in hell my husband would tell me no you can't do that and I would never tell him no you can't do that that's ridiculous
Yes!!!!! I agree! In my opinion it is a form of control taking him and moving him away from his family and friends to isolate him; telling him he could not have any contact with his family and using the children as a pawn. SW doesn't stop there, besides constantly emasculating him, she diagnosed him with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome so he would leave the field of his dreams to work in the oil industry. It seemed that being a mechanic was frowned upon as it is subtly mentioned in SW's mother's 10 pg ltr to Det. Bomhauver. The self diagnosing of several illnesses with respect to CW, SW and the children is scary. SW would also take the children to tons of specialists as if she was searching for a SPECIFIC diagnosis yet never sought prenatal care for her unborn child. That doesn't make sense to me at all. In the videos we see CW as being the attentive parent. The children were in daycare for approx. 9 hours a day while SW was at home. So many things don't make sense.
Shan’Ann didn’t want Chris working all the time, she couldn’t look after the kids alone so she told him he had carpool tunnel syndrome to get him to leave his job! Dr Shan’Ann in the house!
Chris did get upset in one of the videos when he had one of the children on his shoulders and they allegedly spit in him. Review the videos because he became visibly and audibly upset
I’m pretty sure I mentioned this in the video, but it’s definitely in my notes that were posted here as a comment. From what I remember, it was because she leaned too far forward and he raised his voice to rebuke. From what I remember, and according to my notes, it wasn’t anywhere remotely close to an unreasonable raising of the voice. It’s a nothingburger.
@@jordanhenshaw absolutely correct. It was a perfectly appropriate response to an inappropriate behavior that had to be corrected right there and then. Even if Shannon was going to continue to encourage the girls to lay their hands on other people and to spit and so forth he had every responsibility as a father to make it clear in no uncertain terms that it was not acceptable behavior. It was a perfect response.
@@jordanhenshaw I respectfully disagree; he was mad and proclaimed, "don't spit!"
that's why she had to be whacked. like a mafia family. you disrespect the boss you go in an oil drum off a pier
It’s normal to feel anger and slightly raise your voice to a toddler who spits or hits….
I agree nothing
Only thing is he was speeding in NC but I also don’t fully trust sandy rs accounts
Is it fair to say, "what feeds repression is unnormal (potentially dangerous over time)?" Your analysis is excellent, but I wonder if, to be a full analysis, it should be balanced or influenced by the affects of repression. Not that your analysis discounts repression, but I didn't hear you mention it very much to speak of. Your personality analysis was very helpful, thanks...
Yes
He repressed himself.
A long-term life of it.
There's a strong opinion about Aspbergers (sp?)
He himself in prison wrote a letter acknowledging this possibility.
He said, if it was true, he wished he was diagnosed way earlier with it.
It is very strange that Chris does not show any emotion since his his two daughters are no longer on earth. I just can't get over that. I am happy he is reading the NT. We all have to face God at some pointing life and/or after life.
What's the NT??🤔
It's called shock. A LOT of people when faced with the passing of family and friends don't cry or even laugh out of sheer shock... It's terribly sad. He has cried during personal phone calls to his family.
@@carolray9156
The New Testament.
Bible
He looked very stressed in the court room.
His leg was shaking and he looked ill, pale and clammy.
It looked like he was suffering to me.
I believe that his mother had a lot to do with him becoming who he became.
I don't think she's the culprit though....
(Other than taking too much of an advantage of his quiet nature)
People, watch out for the quiet submissive child.
Make them express themselves like a normal child.
Although, she might've thought his dad had-chris's-back.
I don't think we should judge her so harshly.
DPD does not explain how he had the capacity to kill two little girls and drop them in crude oil tankers, or how he could without any remorse kill their pregnant mother.
Chris is psychopathic, and that diagnosis should have a place in the DSM.
He meets at least 15 of the Hares checklist criterion imo.
I think he demonstrates cognitive development problems , very low on social skills and general knowledge.
Family of origin dysfunction is a big part of Chris's problem.
I think what you see as dependency could be manipulative and parasitic behaviours.
@@Madmen604 Chris scores a 0 on the Hares checklist. He did not have the capacity to kill his kids in the manner described.
However, he was fully capable of killing someone who just murdered his kids. Anyone is capable of panicking and going to great lengths to hide bodies-even it it’s not your fault they’re dead.
Aww sorry you werent feeling well. Thanks for the education, i came away with alot from this video & i appreciate you for your knowledge . Its very interesting information . I definitely appreciate your work & subbed to your channel. Looking forward to more of your videos when you feel better. Thank you!1
Autism ,aspergers.. chris refuses to get tested for it. Id say cuz of his guilty feelings about the whole insident
this is good but Chris is the victim. we need this analysis on Shannan's the aggressor
Coming out today at 4pm EST
Omg get a GRIP. Chris was a victim? Most laughable comment of the year. Maybe the decade. Sorry to be so attack modish but really!?
@anitaholst7671
Chris was a victim.
SW had it the worse being murdered.
All family had abusive disorders.
I guess EVERYONE is a victim... that's today's mantra isn't it?
@anitaholst7671
Hi Anita
No one comes through life unscathed.
So yes, we are all victim.
It's what we do with the harm that counts.
Maturity and growing on and growing normal should be the norm
Shannon was a b----. Treated him like garbage until he had enough and treated her like garbage for a change!
And so he murdered his two babies in the most horrific way?? He murdered his son. She may or may not have been a b--- but she never murdered anyone and certainly not her babies. She is not here to defend herself. Chris is a monster. His daughters deserved so much better. And, so did Shanann and Niko.
This analysis is superficial.
We still do not have the facts.😊
You have beautiful hands.
I have to say he was probably embarrassed with his friends he couldn't even go out to go have a goddamn happy hour with them even though he didn't drink maybe here and there he could not even go out and have a happy hour with him for 2 hours on a Friday if he feel like it cuz he couldn't do it she would flip out if he tried I can't even imagine the man did not have a break all that ever happened to him in with her was control control probably be supposed to be home at 4:15 or 4:30 or 3:45 he better be there on time or she was going to have a flipping ass fit yes I do feel bad for him I don't think he killed the kids I think she did she took them out of she removed them from the picture like she said she was going to and he is covering up for her I wish you would tell the truth so Cindy and Ronnie can know the truth and I do not believe that that baby was his I do believe it was Chris Miller's and I don't even know if Chris Miller and his wife are still together but the R'S ARE HIDING A LOT! They know much more than they will let on Shannon and her mother did not get along admit about the bankruptcy admit about the house admit about the situation maybe somebody is going to learn and maybe somebody is going to understand! If you believe I have come home sometimes and told my husband how much I love him and how much I appreciate him and how lucky I am to have him in my life he doesn't stop me from doing anything except going to the thrift store and collecting junk and dumpster diving I can't even imagine how Christopher Watts dealt with being controlled and I mean controlled he probably regretted coming home from work every single day probably couldn't even stop at the damn gas station to grab a bag of Doritos or something because she was watching everything he did I'm not condoning what he did I'm not forgiving him but I do believe she killed those kids those girls and he flipped the heck out
I've read that Chris Miller and his wife Sharon have separated over the rumours of CM and SW.
I believe that she was the one who killed them too. I just can't figure out why he didn't just call the police.
Imo Chris didn’t want to socialise with his work mates so blamed Shan’Ann for it, I’m not a SW fan but I once had a boyfriend that would pretend I wasn’t “letting” him do something when he just didn’t want to.
100% She's a textbook 'Revenge Smother Mother'.....
@@carolinekelsall9080
Can you imagine the scandal (and hurt on Sharon's part) that would've caused.
If the rumor is true?
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The R's would not like that truth to get out.
You are hard to hear unless I have my phone right by me. My volume is turned up all the way too. Other channels aren't a problem.
Thanks for the feedback.
I hear him great! It must be ur device
Yes I have the same issue. It’s really quiet.
@@MB90-c5k My editing process has been updated to address this issue as of the "short" I uploaded recently.
Same
ENJOY YOUR VIDEO, BUT WISH THE VOLUME WAS HIGHER.
Add the transcript it's like subtitles. I'm partially deaf
lol I missed the one at 11:12 haha
It was actually perfect timing in a way 😆
😂made me lol was perfect!
Don't you just love Real moments like that?
You are not a psychologist. Hi ok have no right to call anything a ' in depth psychological analysis'..
@@Shelsight k
😂😂😂😂😂 he a psychopath
Who are you? What are your credentials?
😂😂😂 this dues cracked
I don't agree with you
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I really enjoy your videos, where can I find part 2?
I named it something different to please the algorithm, here it is: ua-cam.com/video/2pF4Bh6SJD8/v-deo.html