Metric Vs Imperial: What Does a Carpenter Use?
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Feet, inches, meters, millimetres??
What do I use and why?
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And the biggest difference between them is that metric system is logical.
Yep. Logical and consistent.
That's the biggest problem I have when trying to follow building instructions from the US, they'll tell you do do something like take a 4 foot 2 37/59th inch length and divide it up into 5/32 inch units or something, and I can't understand how anyone can reliably build something using nothing but weird fractional units and quantities that need to be rebased once they get to a certain value, e.g. inches into feet + inches.
@@davesmith2233 Its not that hard to learn actually. Even for me who is from a thurroughly metric country.
@@rimmersbryggeri It may not be hard to learn, however it is still a dumb and completely inefficient system that's very prone to errors.
@@PHeMoX Yes it is becasue it was deviced in a time where prescicin measuring devices werent widely available. So you would measure things with your body and the reference them to eachother rather than measuring every workpiece un woodworking this is sufficient since it's not a precicsion activity in any way that requires better accuracy than you could get like that or by using templates.
-Metric system : multiple of 10
-Imperial system : rollercoaster of stupidity.
-Imperial System - measuring with a dream
Learning the imperial can even improve your math.
Imperial is a more in-depth system. Saying it's stupid is retarded
There's a reason why we still use feet and inches and still use pounds and it's not just because America still uses it. Even if America used metric people would still say, "I'm six feet tall" and not "I'm 182cm tall"
edit: having 2 systems is a boon imo
@@primary2630 "Imperial is a more in-depth system." Wat teh fuk r u talkn about?
in teh metric system al valus hng togethur wic maks sense. Wy shud teh "impurial" system b "deapur"?
@@primary2630 what is the reason
Scott: "This is one metre. Inside this one metre are 1000 millimetres or 100 centimetres. That's it."
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10 decimetres: "Am I a joke to you?"
They are there, but nobody actually uses them.
@@Vengir Use decimetres to calculate volume. I cubic decimetre = 1 litre.
@@bernardsulman1506 Yes, but we just call it liters, not cubic decimeters.
@@Vengir No - if you are calculating shipping costs, warehouse shelving/location configurations, packaging requirements etc. Decimetres are normal, everyday units of measure - especially if you use SAP as your ERP.
@@alanmcgowan3457 Obviously, I cannot be an expert in every field imaginable and I don't know why they would choose that unit over cm or mm. "Nobody" in my comment was a hyperbole.
Fun fact, the reason most school or office rulers are 30cm, is because a sheet of a4 paper is 29.7cm, so you can always draw straight lines across an entire piece of paper lengthwise.
not only that.
You can also carry a 30cm ruler in an ringbinder
You can do that with a 12 inch ruler also...
Rulers have always been that size, even before A4 paper, and that's 297 mm because of the way A paper is calculated, for instance A0 is exactly 1.0 m2, and has dimensions that allow the length to be the 1/√2 meaning that we can scale any design to fit any other A paper exactly.
@@almostanengineer lie, its because marketing staff discover that if they make the sheet in that dimension they will earn billions :v.
@@pak3ton I don't know if your being serious or not there, the dimensions paper were decided by an international commite and standardised in ISO 216, ISO 217 and ISO 269, nothing to do with marketing, more about efficiency, and ease of use.
In metric, 1 milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires 1 calorie of energy to heat up by one 1°C, which is 1% of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point.
Try that in hillbilly or Yankee units...
Ok but why are you using outdated units like calories in your example?
@@justasklimas9572 Stttt! It's to make a point, but Americans don't know it isn't a SI unit. But now you see, even non SI metric units are gracefull...
@@rubenthijs746 Yeah but even their pints gallons and barrels are wrong by being smaller. I find it kind of surprising that their 6 inches isn't smaller than ours as well. ;-)
@@dukethotness Well calories are inferior to joules in every way but still stick around because they came first and people are lazy to switch. Where I live, they are even required on food packaging in addition to joules and most people use them instead of joules for food energy. But really there is no reason to still use them.
@@justasklimas9572 Where I am from, Joules are only used in Physics calculations
I’m an American carpenter and I use metric. I wish, as a country, we would just switch to be honest. Keep up the great work, Scott
At the risk of promoting an international incident, It seems Americans cling to the 2nd amendment in order to repel any prospect of metrication. It is the very essence of conservatism... I don't know enough about the other two countries still to adopt metrication, Myanmar and Liberia.
America tried to convert..
Standard is the only way to go for carpentry.
@@djsalose America has been converted, like 60 years ago, it's just they don't want to admit it.
In 1959, an agreement between the major imperial unit users at the time, i.e. UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, was passed. It's known as the International Yard and Pound agreement, stating that a yard is exactly 0.9144 metre long and a pound weights exactly 0.45359237 kg. From that moment, every other units and subunits based on the yard or the pound was in fact in the metric system. With a dreadful conversion rate, but in metric system anyway. It was the first act.
The second act happend in 1975, when Congress and Gerald Ford signed the Metric Conversion Act, stating that the metric system was the prefered system for trade and commerce. It would also be the norm in education, science and industry, but you can still use the US customary units for everyday life. And finally, a Metric Board was created in order to coordonate everything and lead the US to the metric system.
Very quickly, industry went metric, and it was a blast for them. For instance, before metrication, the Ford Motor Company had about 900 references for its screws because of the different units and subunits. After metrication, they only had around 100 references. Much more simpler.
But, Ronald Reagan arrived, and he abolished the board (well done Ronny, well done dumbass ...).
The thing is that the myth of the chosen nation for a chosen people is really strong in the american mind, and as they consider themselves as the chosen ones, they consider they are not compelled to use the same mesuring system as the rest of the world. The use of the imperial system is part of their uniqueness. So it's going to take time, a really really really long time to make them understand that they are not THE CHOSEN ONES, they are mere mortals, like the 7.2 billions other people using the metric system in the world.
@@gav2759 It's a mistake to think we Americans don't use the metric system. Colloquially we use the imperial system for everyday things but business/industry has been using metric a long time. It's been about 40 years since automakers stopped using the imperial system in automotive design, schools teach students metric, the scientific industry uses it exclusively, etc.
The building trades still do everything using imperial measurements. Some will say it's because the building trades are the slowest when it comes to adopting new technology, and that may be true to some extent. However, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for them to start using metric...you'd create a situation where some buildings would be imperial and some metric, and material suppliers would need to stock materials in both sizes. IMHO it's not worth the trouble...keep everything consistent and keep using the same system, even if it doesn't make sense to the rest of you guys. :)
Metric and imperial system have one thing in common: They are imcompatible with imperial.
Underrated comment.
~One of the best comments on UA-cam actually...
@@Cuestrupaster thx. See my others:-)
I did use feet and inch when I was a kid then we learnt the metric system along with the earth isn't flat lol
Say what. Is it parabolic then?
Imperial system and the earth "being flat" have nothing to do with one another. That's like saying when you switched to Metric you also stopped believing in a religion.
It's a joke
@@primary2630 wooooosh
@@primary2630 You probably should have stopped believing in a religion a long time before you decided on a measurement system!
Maybe in america and Britain you mix them, in Europe no one use imperial.
You use a 24-hour clock, don't you? Guess what you use imperial...
@@matthewq4b Haha No we don't. Everything non-metric is not automatically imperial. Only the british empire and the americans ever used imperial we all had different systems before the metric system. For an example in Sweden and Finland we had a base unit called tum (thumb), which was slightly longer than an inch. But even back then everyone used the same 24hours 60 minutes 60 seconds despite that, it's an old Babylonian system, where the number 6 was sacred hence why everything is in multiples of 6. Oh and the second was the time of a heartbeat of a sleeping person.
Did you seriously think the British invented our version of time?
@@DaDunge Do you think the Brits invented the imperial measurement system all on their own?. And guess what 6 is one of the main divisors of imperial measurements, in fact, Imperial and our calender/time share the same divisors. Did you think this was a coincidence? Guess what it is not. Date and time and the imperial system share the same heritage. And guess what you guys stil in Europe still use Imperial most notable in defining the purity of some metals. 24Karat gold anyone or how about a 1-carat diamond and those are not the only examples either. So ya you lot still use imperial.
@@matthewq4b yeah we use it when it makes sense. But imperial for length etc. is just so inefficient
@@matthewq4b karat for gold isnt used anymore by professionals. And also what does a carat from jewelery have to do with the imperial system ? A carat is simply the weight of a sead from a tree i dont know the name in english.
I love this, having studied science in college with metric gave it up as I went on with my career. Now my shop is all metric, I mean who has time to divide fractions all day?
UK: invents Imperial
US: copies
UK: switches some stuff to metric
US: surprised Pikachu face
King of Kings & Ruler of Rulers
Metric was designed by the French, it's a hard pill for the UK to take.
UK: invents Imperial
US: copies the units but changes the definitions.
UK: realises that they can't agree with anyone how long an inch is - redefines it in metric (25.38mm changed to 25.4mm exactly) (Europe had several hundred definitions of an inch, foot and yard as well (with a foot having between 10 and 17 inches)). Finally gives up and goes fully metric so everyone knows what you are talking about.
US: Imperial is better - runs spacecraft into a planet.
UK: Invent metric
US: Follows some of UK with its customary
FR: Metric kicks in
UK: Invents imperial
US: More customary
UK-US: Go for common inch
UK-US: Sort of switch to metric or not
@@Robert-cu9bm no it's a mix of all really the big European countries including France UK and Germany basically invented it
@@rhys6cats
Look up the history of metric, it was the French.
"And was keen to involve other countries in its development. Great Britain IGNORED invitations to co-operate, "
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system
As a Finn I was really confused when you said Finish Carpentry TV while speaking about imperials.
Probably an American channel with someone who calls themselves Finnish because 5 generations ago their ancestors moved to America.
Probably he meant "finish carpentry", not "Finnish"?
Thanks for the comment, I was wondering if I heard "Finnish" or "Finished"
NZ Chinese here, now a days in China we use Metric most of times, however, we have our own "imperial System". Chinese inch or 寸（Cun）is about 3.33cm, Chinese foot or 尺(meaning one ruler long）is 33.33cm or 10 Chinese Inch. For house area, we use square meters like in NZ, however for farmlands, we still use Chinese imperial, which is called 亩(mu), 1 mu is about 666 square meters, just like in NZ still use arces. For weight, we use 斤 （jin） which is about 500 gram， or 两（liang) which is about 50 gram.
Beer is measured in "Maß" (1 liter)
ALWAYS!
PERIOD!
😁🍻Greetings from Bavaria!
Nah a good beer has 0.33l or 0.5l. Greetings from Lower Saxony.
@@Knallteute 0.5l is bav. "a Hoibe", germ. "eine halbe", literally in english "a half".
The base is 1 liter or "a Maß".
0.33 and 0.5 are just divisions of it. In Bavaria there's not such a weird thing as 0.33, because it is not worth the effort😁. But some breweries make it for the "Preißn". 😉
@@Helli__ Moin ich bin ein Saupreiß und Stolz.
Then you have not been to the UK.
@@Knallteute Trotzdem gilt: komm wieder, wenn du ein ganzes Bier schaffst :p
Metric, there saved you 6 minutes.
And... you're wrong. Houses and housing materials are ALL imperial measurement based.
@@reeepingk no
@@reeepingk Yes, everywjere in the whole world. And where they aren't they live in tents and iglous
@@Bobo_Banjo You've obviously never been a carpenter or even visited the lumber section of your local construction supply.
@@reeepingk i am glazier when i was in school to become glazier i had friends and even some people in my class that were studying to become carpenter so i think i know a fair share and i have never seen those supplies in imperial
we have here in Switzerland, in some areas since 1801 the metric system and the ruler in the school were always 30 cm (300 mm) long. The reason is the paper size. A4 paper is 210x297 mm. You don't need a longer scale to draw straight stitches or measure anything.
"always" You mean back in 1801? What time frame is your "always"?
Keep in mind that the A-line of paper sizes was devised in the early 20th, the german standard is from 1922.
Another great episode. I use metric system (because I live in Europe). Metric system is very simple - no feet, inch or yard. All drawings are in millimeters. Worked in UK and they use metric as well, but in some cases - imperial. And I think metric system is more precise.
Precision has nothing to do with the system of measurements used. A thousandth of an inch is two hundredths of a millimeter all day long. Neither is more precise than the other is.
Neither is more precise. Precision depends on what you're using to measure with. Most tape measures that I use either go down to 1mm, or to 64ths of an inch. Which is considerably smaller than a millimetre (so more precise and potentially more accurate). Of course, you could put divisions that are smaller than a millimetre onto a ruler - but it very rarely happens. Most imperial rulers have half, quarter and eighth inches, many have 16ths, 32nds is not uncommon and some have 64ths. The advantage of these is that you get many more non-prime divisors with these measurements.
You use metric system because you live in THE WORLD!
@@steveknight878 Thank goodness someone understands stuff. Thankyou.
Here in the UK we use which ever is nearest on the tape measure. 40" by 1230mm!
Shit, I do that all the time to meassure most accurately
best part when someone says take a eighth off, is that an eighth or 1/8 of an inch?
Exactly what I do!
I recently brought myself a centimetre tape back and front. Best thing I ever did.
Ply comes in imperial plaster boards metric does my head in.
easiest way to solve that issue is to buy a metric only tape, that way you have no confusion haha hate getting any size in imperial my old journeyman used to do that to me because he knew I fucking hated getting a size like 52 & 13/16ths.
2:07 you forgot the decimeter, 10 of those go in a meter.
Decimeter is a nearly perfect measurable unit. At almost exactly 4 inches it's super manageable and not only is it easy to translate to and from it easily solves the division of a meter problem that people fond of the Imperial system don't like about going from meter to centimeter. In the end it's all about what you're used to. In my personal shop I have been trying to move to more and more metric because that's what every tool I use to fix both my Subaru and Honda is. I hate having to buy 2 of everything.
Not only that... one cubic meter water weighs exactly 1 ton which is 1000 kilo gram... Water boils at 100, freezes at zero and so on
@@phillipstai7204 also. 1 decimeter cubed is 1 liter
@@okdoomer620 But only at sea level and a certain pressure.
@Memento Mori Decimeter is hardly used. I have not really heard it that often in 50 years of woodworking. It´s 10cm, period. Or 50cm, but not 5 decimeters.
Great channel Scott, I'm 43 and live in the UK, when I was a kid I would go to work with my father at the weekends and on school holidays. At school we used metric, but when on-site with my father and the other tradesmen, they would give me measurements in imperial. So had to get used to both.
I'm born and raised in NYC and since grade school I've been convinced that the metric system was far simpler than the imperial system here in the divided states of zombieland. Thanks 👍🏾
It's easier to math out in metric, but building something is so much easier to measure in imperial. Both systems are great in their own ways.
@@scottwpilgrim In no way is imperial easier to build with I find. Metric is better in every way. Who would want to use, say "5/8th" of an inch instead of "16mm"? Why even bother writing in fractions? Smaller = more accurate. Plus it's a breeze when working with volume as well. ML, L, HL all convert into each other, makes building cabinets or pouring concrete. Even the US military uses it. That says a lot.
@@dylon537 Nah, the Pentagon would surely have used Imperial if they had found a way to force the rest of NATO (and their various other allies) to use it too.
If you have ever counted money then you officially use the metric system. Doesn’t get any easier. Debate over.
Yes.
No.
Metric Time... check
Metric Calendar... and mate
@@EcoMouseChannel as for time, blame the Earth's orbit. (although the metre is based on TIME!)
As for the calendar, actually there was a metric one! But RELIGION did manage to destroy it... :(
From 2 minutes : 08 seconds on: ua-cam.com/video/RJM2FjK1zfw/v-deo.html
@@VitorMadeira I dont blame the Earth's orbit, I blame the dude that divided it into 365.25, that into 24, that into 60, that into 60, then finally stumbled upon 10.... that is called a mathematician, not religion.
By the way, the shortest google search I've ever done shows that the Gregorian calendar actually SOLVED a problem for the world since the old Julian calendar was "out of sync with the seasons."
I just love your work and amazing helpful vlogs. Peace and love to ya all the way from Dublin on a dreary day! Good old Scott Brown has turned my frown around with his vid!
4:20 with that ruler you brought a long forgotten memory of mine back. When I was in 2nd grade and I had such a ruler and just didn't knew what these other numbers meant.
Poor German me.
Metrisch is halt einfacher. Auch bei Angaben in Drehmoment ist metrisch besser jedesmal wenn ich ft-pounds höre denke ich mir so wtf 2ft-lb=2,71nm Hä?
Huehuheuheheh... 420
For the sheer fact your a clear, concise, polite and intelligible kiwi I feel the need to sub. Cool to see more fellow kiwis on the yt space
Funnily enough, in Germany the common name that 99% of people use for a 2 meter folding ruler is "Zollstock" which translates to "inch stick" even though most of them don't even have a scale for inches anymore and even if they do, nobody is using it.
But inches are still used in some cases, like for TV or rims sizes and some pipe diameters.
I think that's mostly due to marketing(55" TV sounds better than a 139.7cm TV) and dpi(dots per inch) being the standard unit for display panels.
Same in Sweden about the zollstock haha. We call it "tumstock" and directly translated it would be "inch log" even though they only show metric.
No, Gliedermaßstab.
In Brazil we also have a mixture but more tilted towards metric. We measure roads with km, car speeds with km/h. All wood are in metric as it is the case for most stuff around. Buuuut, weirdly, steel profiles, tubues/hoses, some screws heads and threads are imperial. And we have exactly the same type of mixed measurement tools (I own a few measuring tapes exactly as the one you showed, as well as one caliper rule with both systems).
I feel like the imperial will soon (maybe one or two decades) vanish from tubes/hoses, but I don't see signs of it being abandoned in screws and steel profiles.
Love the videos Scott, keep them coming.
Landscaper in the UK. We kind of use both, Feet and inches for rough measurements up to 6-8ft then switch to metres. CM and MM for anything accurate.
Edit: Should of watched the video before commenting, you literally said the same thing lol.
For landscape & land it gets even worse....
12 inches in a foot, 3 feet in a yard, 22 yards in a chain, 10 chains in a furlong, 8 furlongs in a mile.
+Ragdoll
The only reason you are using both is because the government and EU have rammed metric standards down people throats by the force of law. Otherwise you would not be using both and would still be using imperial.
@@bighands69 So your a brexit voter then? Metric is far superior for most tasks anyway...
@@bighands69 no, metrification process in UK started long before EU existed.
Should have…
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Another great video Scotty. I work for Bluescope steel and everything we do is in mm. Cheers and I cut a nasty gash once on a finger using an angle grinder, I did a cut, then put the grinder down and while the blade was still spinning, slowing down, I grabbed something next to the grinder and bang, not straight slice thru my finger. Anyway I still have the finger luckily.
I'm Canadian and do some woodwork as a hobby. Recently I was dealing with inch fractions, taking half for symmetry, assigning a portion to one purpose, and the rest to another. Fiddling with all those fractions was irritating. I realized the board began with an exact number of mm, and doing the calculations was easy. So now I'm tending to work in metric.
I'm in the UK, and in my mid 40's. Even though I was brought up on Imperial, I use the metric system as it is easier to use and makes more sense.
Especially with weight.
1000 grams in a kilogram, 1000 kilograms in a ton. Nice and simple. None of this 16 drams to an ounce, 16 ounce to a pound, 14 pounds to a stone rubbish.
I do use miles in road distances, but its not hard to convert kilometers to miles. There are 1.6 kilometers to 1 mile.
I'm sorry that I'm the person to tell you.... But your local fruit seller ripped you off when he told you 100g = 1kg ;)
@@daverog12 ssst
@@daverog12 100g = 1hg
1 Hecto (etto in Italiano) 1etto di prosciutto crudo =100g
2 Etti di mortadella= 200g
1,000 kg is 1 tonne = 1 metric ton.
1 ton is 20 cwt = approx 1,016 kg
As a Czech, we use metric for all construction, but sawmills will still cut in inches. Interestingly, as one inch is 25.4 mm, if you cut at one inch marks, you'll get roughly just over 2 cm, just enough to plane it down to 2cm exactly. Anything above is usually cut in cm however.
Hi from Canada , Truly enjoy your video and learn lots , thanks for sharing .
Like a friend of mine saying when asked the length he needed he replied "25mm minus 1/16th.'
Some people just want to watch the world burn
I'm American and in school they always taught us both metric and imperial so that we knew how to convert between the two.
@@arcticbeak it is mostly just old steel pipes and fittings that are still measured in inches. Alpex and other pex plumbing is measured in mm. And I think all plastic plumbing is also measured in mm.
@@arcticbeak Because marketeer can confuse the heck out of customers with unusual measurements. If I were to say, this TV is 1m20 you'd understand it immediately, but 48 inches? Not so much, simply because you are not used to it. Sounds impressive, but unless you are selling TV's for a living you have no real grasp for 48 inch versus 54 inch.
Same goes for US. A 5.6 liter hemi engine sounds cool, but they have no real grasp about the actual size. Sounds cool though.
As for my imperial conversions, I usually let google do the conversions for me ;)
I think this might me the first time I looked at a video from the land of the Allblacks. It was fun, thank you.
I really wish that my brain was hardwired for the metric system. It just makes so much more sense. But, alas, I think in Imperial. In other news, I recently discovered your channel, and your videos are addicting. You do some amazing work, and inspire me to really take pride in my work, and have good craftsmanship. I was surprised to hear you mention RR Buildings and Essential Craftsman, as those are some of my other favorite channels. Anyways, keep up the good work, and I look forward to learning more from you!
hmmm
Metic is so easy
1 meter is 10 decimeters
1 decimeter is 10 centimeters
1 centimeter is 10 millimeters
(No one uses decimeter)
Just like imperial
Wdym ever tried cooking?
Except math teacher who want to annoy you
@@RenTheMighty Cooking: 1 kilo is 1000 grams. 1 litre of water is 1000 grams. Still seems easier than cups and teaspoons, especially since not every cup and teaspoon are the same size. Not to mention the difference between dry ounces and fluid ounces.
王宇 then explain it to me because I can’t find a logical pattern. Of course I don’t use it but it would be interesting.
Great shoutout for the Essential Craftsman!
Heard Scott Brown Carpentry referenced on the modern maker podcast last week, that was pretty trippy.
Essential craftsman is the gentleman that convinced this computer programmer that working with your hands is really satisfying.
Something I'm really grateful for, woodworking and carpentry have been a great addition to my life.
After spending a weekend, or just an evening, in my workshop and I've created a physical object instead of computer code it's a totally great feeling and something I've been missing in my life.
Your shoulder straps and work belt are super cute! Totally made me want to get them but not sure I could pull them off.
First time here, this guy loves you so much.
In Scotland we also have a unique unit of measurement called a ‘bawhair’
😂😂
The family friendly alternative is a bee’s wing
🤣🤣🤣
In wales we have 'dickhair' and for even finer work 'a nats dickhair' 😂
Michael Cardwell Yeah we’ve got that but it’s a midges bawhair here 🤣
For school we (here in Luxembourg) also had rulers with 30cm (300 mm), and those rulers are still the "norm" for office etc. I think this is because of the DIN norm for paper; a standard notepad (you know, a paper one) or any letter or invoice is in DIN A4, which is 210 x 297 mm. So a 30 cm ruler would be all you need.
For spanking your employees you need at least a 40 cm ruler.
I grew up in the Netherlands, and we used to bring a 30 cm ruler to school as well, and it also had inches on the other side! I was always wondering what you would use that mystical other side for, haha.And I believe my measuring tape has cm and inches both as well.
Well one has to translate dick size to inches when asked by the ladies
Ha! Well done Scott, now my brain is rolling around in a mess of both systems! I was about 14? when we changed over in Oz, so I still think in both. That's why they make those tape measures in both - confused codgers can look up one or the other and figure out one they can understand! Always keep one handy! Great channel Scott, love your stuff. Keep it coming! Cheers PP
Metric is a shame of a system. The idea that a base 10 system is better than a base 8 system in the real world is nothing short of crazy.
funny how the "Zollstock" u got literally means "inch stick" but uses the metric system.^^
Actually it is called in German "wood limbs scale in metric divisions"/"Holzgliedermaßstab in metrischer Teilung". Only "Zollstock" is easyer to use.
pendeyo ...bitter imperial guy over here
@@pastaebasta6255
Nobody says Holzgliedermaßstab ("wooden-articular-measuring-stick") though... It might be the offical word but I have never heard anybody actually using it. Inch-stick is the way to go :P
@@user-bl4oq7fd8d Ist halt Bürokratendeutsch. 😁 Genauso gut ist auch der einachsige Dreiseitenkipper länglich bekannt als Schubkarre XD
I mean, in Denmark we call it a "tommestok" which is also "inch stick" but they are all in metric.
I guess the ruler length might have to do with paper sizes like A4 wich ist about 30cm too.
The chamces are quite high. And the paper sizes have to do with the ratio of 1:1^(1/2), root of 2, which is the only format where you can fold it and get the same ratio from one side to the other, and A0 is 1m^2. So you get weir side length but perfect side ratios.
Probably. Especially that bags are often designed to hold A4 paper, so a 30 cm ruler would fit in it nicely.
exactly. We also use 30cm long rulers in Germany, and surely this has nothing to do with imperial feet, ... but rather with the fact that the most commonly used paper size in Germany is A4 (about 297×210 mm ... more exactly: a rectangle with area 2^(-4) and ratio of side lengths 2^(1/2) ) ... therefore the ruler length fits well to the long side length of the paper
... and it also makes sense to choose a multiple of 10cm as the length of the ruler, rather than some odd weird number
But that could just be a way of justifying it instead of what really happened...
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
I suspect that 30 cm was just a convenient size for rulers since it is close enough to 12 inches that it allows the company to mark both scales on it and sell it in the metric countries and in the US... In the US, we teach the metric system in school, but on a day to day basis, we don't really use it... I have a stainless steel ruler that is a bit over 16" long that has scales on the front and back -- inches with normal power of 2 fractions, inches with decimal fractions, tenths of an inch, and centimeters... I've had it for over 30 years... I think the tenths was because that computer printouts back then were likely to be 10 characters per inch and it helped with your designing of report layouts... Kind of makes sense since the wide body computer paper back then was around 16" if I remember correctly...
Reading all the great comments. You have created a saga here Scott, even Ronald Regan and Napoleon get mentions.
there are three countries that use the imperial system:
- Burma
- North Korea
- U.S.A.
you don't want to be on a list with any of these...
Burma use their own system, as does liberia.
@Keith That's considered on the path to the light. The world lets it slide as they have to get on with their special needs neighbor. Officially it's metric and it's not polite to interfere in what people do at home.
And add the UK whilst you're at it, we use a mix of Imperial and Metric just like our Canadian brothers and sisters across the pond!
@@microwaveablejesus84 where it matters they don't. it's only where it skirts the public that concessions are made.
Konnah Sharp I only ever noticed with traffic related stuff in my 8+ years here. Everything else is metric. At work we all use metric. In the shops everybody uses metric. I wouldn't say UK uses mix. It's just in the process of change. And to quote my manager "it's ridiculous how we used to measure ourselves in "rocks". (Stones)
In the 40 plus years of working in my engineering trade, across a variety of commercial manufacturing industries, words such as centimetre, metre, and to an extent millimetre, are never used. We only need to use a number value and it is always understood that it is millimetres. For example, your bench is 1000 wide, your sheet of plywood is 1202 x 2406, those bolts are 12 x 125, that room is 3420 x 12500, that’s a 3.2 drill bit.
Measuring tape in Poland is in both meteric and imperial, even though we've never used imperial so it's common in Europe too.
Guess it's just because it costs almost nothing to print an extra measure. I'm also from Poland, and I've seen a lot of rulers or measuring tapes with inches but never seen anyone actually using them.
Bollocks
TVs and wheels/rims are still in imperial in Europe. I must admit a 140cm TV sounds worse than 55" TV.
@@MrMisterMaster So you got one of those 1,4 meter TV's? Cool...
@@HaasGrotesk Oh yeah! I use it to display pictures of my 0,43 meter car wheels.
Love it!....... from quirky old UK...
We haven't made our mind up in the UK yet, I use both Metric and Imperial as you highlighted in your video when it comes to heights, beer, milk, trouser waists etc.
Dude your killing me... im on The floor rolling... 1m and crickets..
I'm American and it's easier to use the metric system. I use to make CNC parts and we used the metric system and I understood it alot more compared the imperial. I am now starting my career in carpentry and using the imperial way, makes it more difficult but, easy if I use the metric system. I usually have to convert it for people which is hard for me since I'm use to the metric system. 🤷♂️
I like using metric for small measurements. Like when you're going smaller than 1/2" or 1/4". When I cut a piece of wood it's much easier for me to visualize taking off a couple of millimeters than cutting off a 1/16" or 1/32". We should drop mills entirely because a lot of people are getting that confused with millimeters.
Quite a bit similar here in Canada, Quebec province. I was born breathing imperial (1955), learn metric at secondary school, learn a lot of conversion factors in college and how to choose the right formula going with imperial or metric with each situation. Then went to work 2 professions going from one system to the other on the spot, thought only metric with main conversion factors to my students in case of need. And now, retired, I work with both system as I go building something. The most difficult, once upon a time, was to get a measuring tape with both systems on. So, I can measure and mount the framing of a wall in feet/inches and the window installation in centimeters... or the opposite. I follow the wind on this. It doesn't bother me at all.
I suggest to learn a perfect use of 'rule of 3' from math and decimal fraction of all fractions of an inch (like 1/8 of an inch is 0,125th of an inch) and more importantly the basic conversion factor between imperial and metric, the easiest to learn and be confident in : 1 inch = 2,540000cm or 25,40000mm. It is in fact that precise as conversion factor comes and easy to remember too. All the remaining is flushed to the calculator using that rule of 3. As carpentry goes, 2,5 is usually enough and easy to get by head.
One thing aswell, rough cut timber in the UK is always a tad bigger so keep in mind for framing 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Fun Fact: In Germany they call the foldable 2 meter ruler a "Zollstock" (=Inch stick) even though it's metric... ^^
mEtErMaßsTaB my boy
Same in sweden
Der Zoll hat keine Stöcke, nur die Polizei hat welche.
Einen Meterstab habe ich allerdings auch.
It must be because it's messy to use and inaccurate as hell.
That wasn't that fun... more like just a fact.
Finish carpentry is where i think about switching to metric the most...
Imagine the time and expense saved if we all agree to the same system.
I actually used it in my latest wood carving because I had to scale the drawing up to the first piece I made.
Sig figs is WAY better than fraction to decimal conversion!
@@tdgdbs1 We all DID agree to the same system, the USA just bailed on the agreement
@@tdgdbs1 measurements are one thing but imagine if company's could agree on bits, fittings, adapters, chargers etc
Congrats to you! You said what not anyone said in their videos. You DONT need to do conversions. You just choose a system and then you stick with it through the entire project. Easy. I do woodworking my self. I buy the lumber in inches and foot like everyone else and then... Work over blueprints in Metric system all the way. Very easy. No more fraction BS. 😊
Yankee screw driver awesome, i haven`t seen one of them in quite a while. Great buy and thanks for the video i`m just inches away from my foot. Huh or am i a silly millimeter from my foot. I`m confused.
metric system rules.... fractions are stupid
Joe T what sort of backward country would have a quarter of a dollar coin?
Be like having a $25 dollar note.
Joe T Your explanation explains the coins but it doesn't explain why there isn't a $25 note.
Joe T or for that matter why there isn't a $12 bill. If 100 cents = 1 inch then 12 of those should = 1 foot. Instead you have a $10 note.
@@DiscoFang
Because $25 is not a fraction of anything and 25 cent is a fraction of a dollar. How hard is that to understand.
Where I'm from no one says they're 185 centimeters, they say "meter 85"
Here also (Flanders).
You seem chill so I subscribed
HAHAHA. LOVE the explanation. Oh I'm in the USA. hehe. Came over from DFW (Finish Carpentry TV) but guess you figured that out. hehe.
I'm American and was a carpenter in New Zealand. Metric was easy to learn but feel more comfortable building in Imperial.
That's usually the case; people are more comfortable in using what they're grown up with. So I only use metric, never imperial. The issue is that people who try to defend imperial claim it's easier for _everyone._ Yeah sure; Sweden has been using metric for over 100 years; so almost everything is metric, and only metric. But sure, using a foreign measuring system is totally easier.
I find it anoying that phones here in the Netherlands are in measured in inch
In the uk all our plasterboard is 1.2x 2.4 but a lot of ply and osb is still in 8ft x 4ft so we have trim every sheet to match the stud work!!!
I thought it was pretty cool that he watches finishcarpentry but now I found out he also watches Essential Craftsman... that’s awesome that he watches both of them.
Question for Americans:
so what will happen when a Short guy and a Tall guy measuring things? do they get different results?
No, imperial units are based on metric units today.
Why would they be different?
@@GH-oi2jf i guess cuz of different foot sizes?😂
I am a carpenter from Germany and i absolutely cannot imagine to work with the imperial system, maybe its because i grew up with metric but it is so weird for me.
Btw In Germany we have 3 years of learning to become a carpenter the first year is just school and you don't earn any money the other two years are working in a business and going to school while doing so until you do an theoretical and a small project under supervision for like 6 hours. The last step is to build your own planned project and getting it graded. After the three years you can call yourself a carpenter but you won't be able to open your own business until you go to school again for 1.5 years and getting your "Meister" (master)
How does it work in canada or usa
It's the other way around. People only still use the imperial system because they grew up with it. But even withing those, the majority agrees that metric is better and that imperial is weird. It's just that they used it for so long that it is more "natural" to them to still use those units at many occasions. It's simply become a habit.
Many of my ancestors came to America from Germany and some of them were carpenters, so I’m sure Germans can learn our system as well as anybody else.
@@GH-oi2jf Yes, they can learn it. But why would they? Even in the USA, nearly everywhere you will find that the data is given in both in Imperial as well as Metric. So what would be the incentive to start learning Imperial when you can just use Metric?
In Latin America is widely used the metric system, but whenever someone comes to Panama, people tends to freak out because we use both metric and imperial systems. For length, temperature and volume we use metric but for weight and also volume we use imperial.
We also use inches, feet and yards, but has to be a very specific case of use; say some piece of hardware imported from the US or paper.
When I was training to be a joiner the some of the first tools l purchased were a Yankee screwdriver and a square pointed bradawl....guess which one has had the most use.....
30cm ruler has nothing to do with foot.
Its a minimal necessary measure to satisfy all standard paper sizes used in non technical school.
Ye imagine you had to carry a 1m ruler in a bag. Its also for convinience.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_2848
Only the screen I am watching and TV screens are still sometimes advertised in inches for some strange reason. Oh and car wheels and tyres.
Ronald de Rooij
Most modern cars use metric.
245/45 that's metric tyre sizing. .. Much harder to understand than imperial in this instance.
Robert
245/45 is not a tire size.
245/45 17 is correct.
245mm wide / 45% sidewall with ratio 17 inch wheel
@@Robert-cu9bm yes.... but the diameter of the wheel is always measured in inches, in pretty much any place in the world....
I spent years working on aircraft, both European and American / Canadian and became quite used to using both systems, but I draw the line at 31/64ths etc, as that is just plain crazy. But at home if I measure something with my dual tape measure and it comes to a full number in either system, that is what I use. Plus renovating an old building that was made using imperial system has to be kept in mind when using new materials.
happy thanksgiving scott b
Thanks mate
Tyres are one of the weirdest measured things I've come across MM / % / Inches - 🤯
That is what we call a committee decision! Happily they left the fraction people out in the snow!
Even stranger that the wheel width is in inches while the tyre is in mm.
@@sparkyenergia because the stardard were made by people using their system and i think it's pretty selfish to invent something and put standard in a non-standard mesuring system
The upside is that the three numbers stand far apart. You instantly know which one I'm talking about, right? 255 17 45 70 14 185 305 19 35
The tyre code standard is: millimeters
then percentage or millimeters
then inches or millimeters
There's an upper bound for what it can be in percentage and inches; I think it's max 99 inches and then after that it's 100 mm. So basically 1-2 digits are inches, 3+ digits are millimeters. So the standard supports a full mm / mm / mm.
First reason why i subscribed is you use Metric system :D
Great vid 💯🎯
Here in the UK, I use both measurements (I'm 30) I can fit a door in imperial, most commonly 6'6" × 2'6", then when it comes to planing it, I would need to take off about 3mm to 0mm along the length 😅, its just a matter of working the best way it works for you
Isn't one of the reasons for the US' lack of transition that in the 1800's, when the big civilizations were making the change, their former president Thomas Jefferson stated that they would not transfer as "the metric system was too french"?
yes. How to hate an entire nation in a nutshell with stereotypes and clichés. How can a political leader take such major decisions with such irrationnaly where a deep rationnal thinking is necessary ?
Not really we wanted to go on the metric system back then because we wanted to separate ourselves from the British Imperial units. Thomas Jefferson heard of the French metric system and thought it was, "Just what America needed."
No. Jefferson was a Francophile. In Jefferson’s time, the US had no reason to change units because we were still trading mostly with Great Britain. The metric system was not ready for adoption by the United States at that time. Europe started switching to metric for two reasons: a multiplicity of conflicting legacy units and Napolean.
Did my apprenticeship in NZ, now working in the states. I can see merit in both systems but I still feel like metric is the best way to go especially since 1mm is twice as accurate as 1/16th 🤷🏼♂️
The cabinet guys just measure to 32nds of an inch.
Zack Fishle I’ve seen a set of 10 drill bits , the biggest being 1mm all in .1mm increments. Can you let me know that in imperial please.
Sure it was in a toolmakers workshop.
@@philleach6271 we use thousandths of an inch .001". Same for gaps and clearances, and micrometer measure. In Canada, school all in metric, industry all in imperial. 0.1mm is about 4 thou, .004"
@@zackfishle1009 machinists measure to the ten thousandth of an inch, or better.
Came for the content and stayed for the Yankee drivers! Been watching through your older videos and getting used to metric while watching.
Cool clips Scott...I do all my work in metric
In The Netherlands its all metric apart of the 2 by 4’s and (what we use most) the 2 by 3 ‘s. And its like that in every European, Asian, African and South-American country
Where are you located? We call a 2x3 a 5x7 usually.
In the west of the Netherlands (Randstad) they call wood that is ALS sized (American Lumber Standard)
2 by 4, 2 by 3, 1 (duim) by 3 and so on..
In the east and north however they say 5 by 7, (vief bi zieven) for a 2 by 3..
Cheers
StefAnimation I just read your post with a Dutch accent. I don’t know why but I sounded like the guy from the Grolsch advert.
monitors and tvs are commonly advertised in inches too. A pound of meat means 500g though in my country, which isn't exactly imperial.
Johannes R south-holland
Don't wanna complain but it actually is "Zollstöcke" for multiple "Zollstock" ;)
Zoll is the German inch, we call them Zentimeterstock for jokes sometimes
It is Metermaßstab, as Gliedermaßstab (Folding measure)
@@WAJK2030 Zollstock and Zollstöcke is correct, I've never heard Meterstab before.
The correct word ist Gliedergelenkstabmaß. But it does not come with a pluarl I guess.
@Jan M
Nearly everybody in Bavaria (where i live) uses Meterstab. I think this Is just a regional used Term.
Those rear handle saws are so, so nice! (Once you remove the safety button 😉)
I was taught to use both. Very handy to have both
In England they also had the WEN WORTH SYSTEM OF MEASURES .
Richard Kremer a English carpentry primarily works on the “age, that’s close enough, that’ll do” system of measurement.
The whitworth system was a screw pitch rather than a measurement system.
Roy Suckley
So in words I’d gather owning a set of wrench’s that are all wentworth for working on all kinds of projects should mean what?
Funny how they only worked on early English motor bikes also. I did many miles on BSA, TRIUMPHS, NORTONS. Starting around 1964 not many shops around then.
Richard Kremer, I believe that whitworth measures the head of the bolt from apex to opposing apex, rather than from side to side. Accordingly a 1/2 inch whitworth spanner would be smaller than a 1/2 inch imperial spanner. I Think. It could still be used on nuts and bolts but would not match the size of imperial and may be a little loose on an imperial head.
Roy Suckley
Well you’ll have me out later to day digging in my tool shed for those wrenches. Hook up the old wire wheel knock the rust off. Be good as new. Or just let them soak in automatic transmission fluid. Then I’ll get back to you on that .
The way we do it is: everything is measured in millimeters. The table at the beginning, 1000 mills.
To be fair, we just use the unit that's more useful for the occasion, but again, they are all meters, just scaled by a factor of ten to the something
In Sweden we used to have mixed unit measuring tools, but now you have to special order one with inches. And we don't talk about 2" times 4", we talk about 50 * 100 mm (which is a little over sizer).
That is my favourite ending to a SBC video ever 😂😂😂😂
I hate how confused I get with the fractions, so I do a lot of electrical work when I can.
Not a great trade if you’re bad at math🤔
viva the metric system ! glad you'll be ok soon
I'm in England and when I measure I use both so when I measure something I generally go to whichever is nearest on my tape, eg 600mm or 2ft depending which it is on my tape. When I need critical sizes i tend to use metric but as the UK use both I use both
Im from England and use whichever takes my fancy at the time. Sounds dumb but it makes sense to be able to use both. For example, we have plasterboards that are called 8 x 4 which measure 2400x1200mm and our 8 x 4 sheet timber come as (nearly) a true 8'×4' 2440x1220mm. Knowing the difference means you build your studs at the right centres.