At 1:52, K100 needs a 1 to 1 K100 to water ratio to treat water contaminated fuel. ua-cam.com/video/aj1_dxFiGps/v-deo.html K100: amzn.to/3ljjm26 ISO-HEET: amzn.to/3j1sQwX Star Tron: amzn.to/2YniBuM
Not that they would publicly publish the data, but perhaps their claims are valid if the concentration of water in fuel is less than the concentration that you used in your testing.
Maybe, but if so that's not very impressive? 1:1 is 50% water? Vodka can be lit at 60% water 40% alcohol. Considering the price, might it not be equally if not more effective to just buy the equivalent cost of methylated spirits+ gasoline and use those to dilute the water in something more flammable? You can likely buy 10 times the quantity for the same price and even if technically inferior could probably brute force the issue with sheer quantity
These products only work on water that is actually absorbed by the fuel through the atmosphere, i.e. at a maximum amount of around 0.5%. You can't just pour in a load of water and expect the products to convert it into fuel. 'Phase separation' refers to the water that has been absorbed, i.e. the 0.5% separating out from the fuel with the ethanol. It doesn't refer to the huge chunk of water that you just added separating out from the fuel and taking the ethanol with it. Nothing can stop that nor do any of these products claim to. I suggest the experiment be repeated, this time slowly adding water a few drops at a time, shaking it in between until it can absorb no more, i.e. gasoline that is saturated with water but no excess in the bottom. Apart from that one modification, repeat the tests as before and I think you will find these products work exactly as claimed and intended.
I was going to post the same thing, there was simply too much water for anything to work. I mean that high of a gas/water mix seems unlikely with reasonable care taken by the owner. I really can't think of a reasonable real world situation aside from rainwater in a fuel tank or getting a bad batch of gas which is rare. I do understand and appreciate the purpose of worst case scenario testing shown here. Bottom line really seems to me to be if you think you need any of these products its probably too late
exactly!! water to fuel ratio in this video is unrealistic in a fuel tank and is way beyond the performance envelope of these products. It's like saying this product treats a 20 Gallon tank, but if you put 19 gallons of water, nothing will make it cumbust ... except maybe lithium !!!
The cloudy appearance of the HEET mix was the best indication it was going to be the most effective. It means it is suspending the most water in the gasoline.
Here in Southern Ontario, Canada, condensation of water in fuel tanks is an ongoing winter problem. First, to prevent condensation keep your fuel tank at least half full when standing overnight. Secondly, use a fuel antifreeze additive regularly to prevent a buildup of water in the fuel tank; methyl alcohol (also known as methanol, wood alcohol, methyl hydrate and several other names), ethyl alcohol and isopropyl alcohol can be used singly or as mixtures. Thirdly, if your fuel has frozen, chemicals dumped in the fuel tank can not get to the ice in the fuel line; the only solution is to heat the fuel line, preferably by moving the vehicle indoors, until the line thaws. For more info on these chemicals see Wikipedia entries for methanol, ethanol and isopropyl alcohol. Yes, I am a Chemist.
Greetings fellow Chemist! I have run tests with K100 and find that if it is added at 7 times the volume of water present it will solubilize it into a clear solution with no phase separation.
I've lived in southern ontario (Mississauga and Waterloo) my whole life (I'm 43) and I've never even heard of this 'water in fuel tanks' problem, let alone have it happen to me. I know Petro Canada likes (or liked) to advertise 'winter gas' - maybe all gas sold here has the required protection?
1:16 seems like an awful high water concentration to expect a fuel stabilizer to combat, as far as phase separation is concerned. I would have been more convinced by volumetric tests examining how much water could be added to each treated sample before phase separation occurred.
I suggest you use a less water during the separation test. You added about 10-20% of water which is way to much compared to realistic conditions. I mean: Having several liters of water in a fuel tank would be concerning. The ability of the additives to form an emulsion is limited. Maybe add 5% water, that could change the results. One of the jars was cloudy which means something different was dispersed in each of the layers.
As I mentioned in my other post, you have to add more isopropyl alcohol than there is water. If its cold you might have to add 3x more. 5% water is doable with isopropyl alcohol with enough of it (0.5% would be something like a cup of water in the tank and wouldn't require the gas to be 15% alcohol), I don't know any other additive which can blend 5% water with gasoline.
@@joeserdynski1045 I've done my own experiments, and you can find research with ternary diagrams for isopropyl alcohol, hydrocarbons and water if you know where to look. It just doesn't work in the conditions Project Farm used (which are absolute worst-case conditions). The K100 might be useful if it lives up to the exact claims, that is, spontaneously dissolving 1% water into gasoline (and probably not at subzero temperatures) using 10% K100 (yes, 1/10 a full tank of gas which can be GALLONS of K100). But you can't just scale it up for say 20% water at subzero temperatures, solutions don't work that way. You may end up needing more additive than gasoline.
I was rooting for the Heet. That's what my family always used back in MN to prevent the water from icing up the fuel lines. However, I agree with some of the commentors that you added one heckuva lot of water to that gas and it's asking a lot of the chemicals to deal with that much. I still greatly appreciate the time and effort it took to do all these tests. Thx :)
As ever a great and well thought out video. The only thing I may have been tempted by is to run them at specified dilution rates - some will doubtless argue over-dilution is as bad as under-dilution. Many thanks for taking the time to post.
I love your videos when you test different fuels in the lawn mower and testing the strength of different tapes. Great job. I've told all my Friend's about your videos and your channel.
Thanks for your great videos and important content. It helps consumers a lot. You may have already addressed this, but it appears your ratios of gas to water here are way higher water content than would be typically seen in the real world. I have seen similar tests conducted on K100 but with more realistic ratios and it held the water in suspension perfectly. In fact it was one of the few products that worked, and I was very surprised when I saw your result.
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@@soundspark Muhlenberg county ky. Our primary and secondary roads are horrible. Mostly due to flooding and the winter. Weather here can go from a day on the beach to run for shelter then freeze your ass off.
In N.J. We have a road tax to repair our roads, I think it is for installing more cracks and pot holes. Our secondary roads are one step better then dirt roads treated with animal fats... road kill animals!
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I just want to say great job on the video. I have used both Iso Heet and Star Tron. But I have never hear of K 100. I have used both of the star tron and the iso heet in my ATV and I had pretty good luck with them and I live in Vermont. I liked how you did the testing in the video today. i love the fact you put a lot of hard work into the video to make a good video for your viewers to watch. I love you to start testing different diesel additives. I just want to say one last final thing I am looking forward to the next new video that comes out next Monday.
Correct. Most people don't know it takes more than a few water droplets to separate ethanol from gasoline. That amount he added is like leaving an opened gas can outside in the rain all night.
Maybe should check how much actually a gas can be contaminated by itself left over 3 month but not in the rain. Then at least get a good idea how much water actually can get into the ethanol gas. Not just dump random amounts of water.
Yeah, it seems like this is probably more water than they're meant to handle - but then the next question is, at a lower water level that these additives can handle, does the engine really need it?
@@IOwnCalculus good question. But generally speaking unless sabotage, would be really good to know, how much water really accumulated by itself. Otherwise other tests are useless, you might as well mix 50/50 and claim product fails.
"Screw getting the wheel kit, I'll just bolt it to this clapped out mower deck that looks like a sumo wrestler fell on.... See, Look at that nice set of wheels!!"
To be fair, none of those products were designed to be used with that much water. At the ratio you used, it would be like you had so much water in the tank that there's no way any additive could help. One way you could re-do this experiment would be to get an old gas tank and make sure it's clean, then fill it up with very cold gasoline and wait for it warm up with the cap off. Then the temperature change would cause condensation. Then drain the tank and measure how much condensation this made. Then adjust the ratio on the small scale experiment to accurately reflect the conditions a real car is likely to encounter in a typical winter. I mean it only takes a little bit of water in your fuel line to screw it up, so maybe one of these products would work just enough to help with that. Not sticking up for the companies; just that accuracy and repeatability are important in science.
You are entirely correct on all points dawkinsfan. This test is not valid because it's testing the ability of a hammer to pound a house into the ground. The products are being tasked with something they were never meant to achieve and then declared useless when they can't do it.
@@ambulocetusnatans I've been watching him for awhile. He's very clever. He missed the ball on this one, but that doesn't mean he's not good at what he does.
When I was on a framing crew in northern MN we would read the bank temp that often read about -32 degrees F. We would have to use HEET in our air lines to keep the framing guns from freezing up. It did work quite well, but it was a bit of a hassle.
this always feels like a short research panel made for people who don't know specialize in this. Appreciate it a lot and hope universities look at this!
Thanks for doing an honest comparison unlike other videos that I seen online and I sent you a link to one on one of your other videos I wish I would have watched this one first so it didn't waste your time watching it
You’re gonna love this. While stopping at a gas station late tonight, I had a conversation with the clerk. We started talking about UA-cam videos, and he said something like, “I love to watch the videos from the guy who tests different chemicals in his lawnmower motor.” 😁 You’re getting popular. Keep up the great work!
Probably. The Companies would probably whip out some Lab Tests to help "prove" their wording is correct. Being Scientific they'd probably claim some special Condition(s) need to be met. So "it does" under ideal settings?
The fine print is it says "helps" prevent, it doesn't prevent. Heet back in the day us to claim it just "helped" pass small amounts water through the carboruator.
@@1D10CRACY Looks like something could or would get it out but maybe it'll take a atomic explosion to do it. Our illustrious 'government' at work. Morons.
I think you did a really great job, of testing these products. The gasoline and water separation, was very obvious. The products clearly failed at preventing water separation. Although it was really amazing, to see HEET prevent ice formation.
Besides teaching people on the internet, this guy needs a job teaching Junior High or High school kids. This is exactly the energy and clarity our kids need to be educated properly. Another great video
Have you ever followed up with the manufacturers of the products that don't perform as advertised? I mean, I'd probably want my money back if the product didn't do what it says it does.
@@ProjectFarm Funny how someone who can take days to compare something that can look "insignifiant" don't have time for that kind of shit, i like you !
I'm shocked. As someone who knows an individual that was closely associated with K100 from the beginnkmg, I have to say how shocked I am. I now wonder if it's use every 3k miles does anything negatively for my engine since it clearly isn't doing what's stated. I love your videos. You give all brands a fair shot, and come up with some ingenious contraptions for testing all kinds of claims. You seem like a good person, who puts in a lot of hard work. I'm glad for your success.
I'd be interested in seeing you do a test series on different Jerry cans: diff. brands, diff. types, plastic vs metal, resistance to rusting/corrosion, long term durability, quality etc I've heard that Wavian brand cans are really tough, would love to see them put to the test.
i would love to see a video testing different engine degreasers including common household cleaners like dawn dish soap or dishwasher detergent. you make great videos keep up the good work.
Suprised you didnt test the makes water flammable claim by draining the seperated gasoline off the top of the k100 mix and taking a lighter to it. Great video as always
Great vids but 1 oz of water for 7 oz of gas/additives is way too high. That's like 1-2 gallons of water added to a gas tank. These things remove an ounce or two of water.
I’ve been using Startron since I first saw it five years ago. I put it in my gas cans for all my yard tools i.e. chainsaw, Scag zero turn, grass trimmer, leaf blower etc. I was using it primarily to prevent ethanol damage in all my Stihl equipment. Based on this video and another one you did, it’s a shame that the product doesn’t live up to the label; plus this stuff is expensive. I might as well be putting alcohol dyed blue in my gas cans instead; a whole lot cheaper and probably the same results. Thanks for all you do with your channel.
The only phase separation seen here is when your hard earn money goes from your pocket into those company pockets for a product that does not work as they claim they do...
No disrespect, but he's tested the ability of various hammers to drive screws. This test does not represent how these products were intended to be used, so it's no surprise that they didn't perform as advertised. Having looked at the ingredients, I can assure you that K100 and ISO-Heet do work when used as intended. I'd like to see more testing on StarTron, but a mechanic friend has seen it work when used as intended, so I trust it too.
The purpose of these additives isn't really to make water burn, though, in spite of the silly slogan on one of them. Their real purpose is to make small amounts of water mix with fuel so it flows through the fuel system without causing disruptions. For example, without such an additive, small amounts of water in the gas, usually from condensation, will puddle in the bottom of a carburetor bowl and eventually stall the engine. With such an additive, it will simply be pulled through with the fuel, be vaporized when the fuel is burned, and go harmlessly out the exhaust. These products all made a valiant effort to do this, but he overwhelmed their capacity with unreasonable and unrealistic amounts of water. With small amounts of water these are meant to disperse, I have no doubt they all work. Looking at his results, I would put ISO-heet as the strongest, followed by K100. K100 could potentially also be safer for fuel systems, since it contains no alcohol, albeit isopropyl alcohol is one of the less corrosive alcohols.
@@edifyguy I think you may be right that its intended purpose is a large fuel tank, 20-30 gallons of fuel with a cup of water plus the additive being constantly shaken going down the road it may work much different
@@edifyguy I dealt with many cars with water in the tank causing problems.. None had this ratio of fuel to water and each was dealth with by using a bottle of 100% alcohol... It allows them to clear the tank without having to drain the whole system..
Think I'm going to nominate you for a Nobel Piece Prize for showing us how to use a drill to start a small engine.So simple but it never crossed my mind.Thanks again for another great info video.
I have a suggestion for a new product test for engines! There is a company called XADO (don't know if it's available on your country) and they have several product with a "revitalizing" effect. According to them and many tests, it builds up a metal-ceramic layer on top of the engine parts and improves compression, power and reduces oil consumption. Maybe you could test their products and if they really hold up to what they promise. A good product for the engine would be the "XADO AMC maximum 1 stage". But they also sell a product called SnipeX, which (according to them) improves the accuracy of weapons.
I used them a lot, spend more than a thousand dollars from the engine revitalizant, power steering and automatic transmission, also use engine flash, gear oils and other additives, its good but expensive... if you are into racing, definitely check zado out. But for daily driving, i think its too much, so after i used most of my stocks i returned to mobil1. My 2005 4runner has 185k miles now.
This. I live in Finland and it gets cold. Though from october till march or so, every diesel pump in Finland serves only winter proof (up to like -32°C/-27°F) diesel. But still, sometimes paraffin separation hits. It would be nice to know if one could boost the performance of winter diesel even further!
Most don't. I had clogged injectors and they had to be run on an actual injector cleaner/testing machine as well as ultrasonic to be brought back into use.
take it out and have someone crank it over while the injector is over something to spray and observe spray pattern then compare to the manufacturer specs, or do a before and after. was taught that in auto class, worked to find the bad injector in my blazer.
I ain't no switch hitter ever never I love u n your videos Man I hope this channel helps you prosper for future generations because you deserve it thanks for your help don't ever tarnish your reputation by selling merchandise like t-shirts and caps and all that BS please don't do that you're way above that
Love your channel! However, the amount of water you used is equivalent to having about 6gal of water in my truck's 30gal tank. Seems a bit unrealistic.
Great as usual! You are quite the inspector on this subject matter and thanks again for saving us some hard earned cash for not buying these additives that do not perform well.
I really appreciate your videos I watched one a week ago about restore I was just getting ready to put a new motor in my Silverado with a 6 liter gas engine I cannot believe it but I change the oil and put a bottle of ReStore in it it literally stopped smoking runs like a new truck again and I just got done pulling my camper with it and it did not put out one piece of smoke I'm shocked it just saved me $2,500 thanks for your videos
I play around with e85 a lot over the years... When I wash a gritty fuel tank out with water I'll finish it off by shaking some ethanol around in there to absorb the water, then I rinse and repeat. I haven't done this specific test, but I'd be willing to bet adding around 50% ethanol to your gas may get that volume of water to blend...... Maybe..... I should try. I thought it would because the main problem with e10 fuel is that there is so little ethanol present that it's easy to contaminate and drop out....
I like the fact that we have some very knowledgeable in here . This make for a more precise test by knowing what could of been done for a better test ETC. Even if there was too much water added, we have a good picture of which additive work the best. I would of been surprised if the motor would have run with that much water.
I love hearing those magic words, "We're gonna test that" 😁😁😁 I love how sceptical you are in your videos, wanting to see hard evidence of claims. Thanks for all the great videos 😁
Have you considered testing Stabil360? It doesn’t claim phase separation prevention, but I wonder how it compares to untreated gasoline. (How an engine runs and if build up is better or worse).
Top test as a mobile motorcycle mechanic I have had problems for years with ethanol in tanks and seals Literally melting but these problems occur after a few years sitting resulting in petrol tanks rupturing below the fuel line it’s the ethanol acting like a sponge absorbing moisture in the air and sitting below the fuel during phase separation.also ethanol has a short shelf life atm ethanol is around 10% by volume but want to increase it to 20%!!this is in the U.K. try and test the “metal lump” fuel stabiliser that you leave in your tank sounds fishy but would be interesting to test IMO cheers Todd 👍
Try METHYL HYDRATE, its available at hardware stores in 4 litre jugs, I've used it for years in gas tanks to keep fuel and fuel lines from freezing. I believe it can thaw out frozen fuel lines if they are already frozen. An important note: it is good for gasoline fuel NOT diesel. PS I only use the highest octane gas that supposedly does not contain ethanol... Avoid ethanol in small engine at all times!
Love your channel you do a great job I would definitely love to see more videos on fuel stabilizers and other fuel related category stuff maybe gas filters that remove water maybe and how well they work
we don’t have to worry about ice over here it’s way to hot but iv had a little water in my bike fuel tank plenty of times as the country town I live in has very old storage tanks and is a couple of hours to the next nearest fuel station (premium unleaded, no ethanol) a splash of metho give her a shake and let it sit a while never let me down! Obviously if there is a lot of water it’s not going to do the job but this is for shore worth testing.
Actually yes, diethyl ether, I'd used it a lot, you can mix perfectly for example gasoline, diesel, castrol oil, synthetic oil and water without problems. The only drawback is that the ether evaporates quickly.
Have you ever tested coolant system stop leak products? My dad and grandpa used black ground pepper, and I had a nasty leak recently, used the pepper (only one tablespoon for the entire system) and I haven't overheated since. I was adding about a half gallon premixed coolant every other day, or every trip more than 50 miles. Wondering if the other products work as well... Can't beat the value on black pepper! Keep it in the garage for a sandwich and an overheating car! Your videos are always fantastic, and I've made better decisions when purchasing stuff based on this content! EDIT: before anyone has a chance to tell me how dumb I am for not fixing the system, my weekend project this week will be replacing the cracked radiator. Already purchased and in the garage.
Very good! I love this channel. Remember back when gasoline first hit 2.50 and then 3.00+ per gallon? Hell, I remember when it was 1.00 per gal and cigarettes where 50 cent per pack. Anyway, I had an 89 Dodge Dakota, regular cab long bed, something I'd fight for to have again. This was a 318 throttle body injected test bed. I can't find anything even close now-a-days. This was a good truck, a daily driver. I refused to pay 3 let alone 4 buck per gallon when we all knew there aint not one single reason for the price jump, aside from, they can and so you will....! I ran my poor Dakota on cheap fuel and water and rubbing alcohol. I put so much water through that poor thing, I'd mix 1 gal of water per every 4 gal of gasoline, then add 2 bottles of rubbing alcohol and I would just drive anywhere I needed to go. This was like I said, my daily driver. When I let it sit for a couple of days, I had a hard time getting it started, then I ultimately had to drop the tank and get the water out of it, add fresh fuel and all was good to go. Your visual show and tell is what was happening in my tanks of fuel. As long as I would drive every day it was fine, low on power but otherwise fine. When it sat a couple days is when I began to have issues. I miss that truck even still today cause I no longer have one. That was my test bed for many projects, and I sold it solid except for the body which is the only reason I sold it! Here in the rust belt, that frame was fine, the poor body is what let go. I miss that truck sometimes!
Everybody makes comparisons with fuel stabilizer water removers yet they all fail, why doesn't someone make a test where one does pass so we know what to buy
I am not trying to say these products work but my main thing with this is sometimes less is more as in you adding more treatment may actually decrease chances of success. For example if someone is sick and they take an antihistamine to help with symptoms and it sorta works doesn't mean that taking 20x the amount is going to make you feel 20x better. Likely the opposite will be true. Also these may only be rated to prevent phase separation when it come to a lot less water to gas ratio than you are testing. Saying prevents may mean it can help prevent phase separation when water to gas levels are let's say 2% or less but at 30% may be next to useless. That is why I would suggest trying in future test like this adding small amounts of water to treated fuel at a time, stirring, waiting and repeating to see if the point of it separating is affected at all by these treatments. Controls to see how much phase separation occurs too wouldn't be a bad idea. Looking foward to future test.
Water doesn’t burn. Why firefighters use it 😂. Best thing you can do with water contamination in fuel is drain fuel and start over. Most products like that are the next thing to snake oil. Nice to see this tested and proved. Nice video. You gave them all a chance.
@@ProjectFarm Hi first of all great video as always, albeit me always looking forward to your videos and impressed by the empirical nature of your testing, I am afraid that the amount of water in the first testing phase is perhaps not very representative. The ratio of water to gasoline seems unrealistically high, maybe it would be worth trying with less water? I don't think that the products were designed for such large amounts of water contamination :D Again thanks for your video and greetings from Germany :) ! Otherwise a great video as always
@@lucaskramer9076 That's a good point but what if you got a dose of water from your friendly neighborhood convenience store and had to get it out so you could go to work to pay bills? It's happened before. I had a Ford 4x4 that got a dose of bad fuel and never ran right after that. I guess, drop the tank and drain everything and start over if you could. Some of the new diesels are a veritable nightmare to try and drain the whole system . The little man takes the beating again, as always. Keep after it, Lucas!
Drain Fuel? If PF has proven anything - it's that phase separation occurs, in which case you should only need to drain the water, as water is more dense than fuel, so it sits at the bottom of the tank.
@@delawarecop That'd be fine if you have a drain at the tank bottom but if you don't you can try and siphon or pump it out but some will be waiting for you. I want a solution just like you do!
Michael One of my car’s manuals advised against methanol due to fuel system incompatibility. IPA will dissolve more water than methanol or ethanol. Small engine fuel tanks should be drained and the engine run dry between uses.
Great video once again. Last week I suggested testing medical oxgen in place of nitrous oxide. This week my idea is for you to test a regular 4 stroke engine with no modifications running on regular gas. Then inject nitrous oxide and propane. The propane should allow the enrichment needed to give a large power boost.
At 1:52, K100 needs a 1 to 1 K100 to water ratio to treat water contaminated fuel. ua-cam.com/video/aj1_dxFiGps/v-deo.html
K100: amzn.to/3ljjm26
ISO-HEET: amzn.to/3j1sQwX
Star Tron: amzn.to/2YniBuM
Where about are you in the midwest? Pierre, SD here :)
Not that they would publicly publish the data, but perhaps their claims are valid if the concentration of water in fuel is less than the concentration that you used in your testing.
told ya
Would like to see this test done with AMSOIL Quickshot
Maybe, but if so that's not very impressive? 1:1 is 50% water? Vodka can be lit at 60% water 40% alcohol.
Considering the price, might it not be equally if not more effective to just buy the equivalent cost of methylated spirits+ gasoline and use those to dilute the water in something more flammable? You can likely buy 10 times the quantity for the same price and even if technically inferior could probably brute force the issue with sheer quantity
These products only work on water that is actually absorbed by the fuel through the atmosphere, i.e. at a maximum amount of around 0.5%. You can't just pour in a load of water and expect the products to convert it into fuel. 'Phase separation' refers to the water that has been absorbed, i.e. the 0.5% separating out from the fuel with the ethanol. It doesn't refer to the huge chunk of water that you just added separating out from the fuel and taking the ethanol with it. Nothing can stop that nor do any of these products claim to.
I suggest the experiment be repeated, this time slowly adding water a few drops at a time, shaking it in between until it can absorb no more, i.e. gasoline that is saturated with water but no excess in the bottom. Apart from that one modification, repeat the tests as before and I think you will find these products work exactly as claimed and intended.
Thinking you are 100% on it. The marketing sure is misleading, though - not that that's anything new. :)
I was going to post the same thing, there was simply too much water for anything to work. I mean that high of a gas/water mix seems unlikely with reasonable care taken by the owner. I really can't think of a reasonable real world situation aside from rainwater in a fuel tank or getting a bad batch of gas which is rare. I do understand and appreciate the purpose of worst case scenario testing shown here. Bottom line really seems to me to be if you think you need any of these products its probably too late
I would like to see this, interest concept
@@kylefowler5082 even unreasonable care. Don't leave your open jug in the rain and you should be ok lol
exactly!! water to fuel ratio in this video is unrealistic in a fuel tank and is way beyond the performance envelope of these products. It's like saying this product treats a 20 Gallon tank, but if you put 19 gallons of water, nothing will make it cumbust ... except maybe lithium !!!
The cloudy appearance of the HEET mix was the best indication it was going to be the most effective. It means it is suspending the most water in the gasoline.
Here in Southern Ontario, Canada, condensation of water in fuel tanks is an ongoing winter problem. First, to prevent condensation keep your fuel tank at least half full when standing overnight. Secondly, use a fuel antifreeze additive regularly to prevent a buildup of water in the fuel tank; methyl alcohol (also known as methanol, wood alcohol, methyl hydrate and several other names), ethyl alcohol and isopropyl alcohol can be used singly or as mixtures. Thirdly, if your fuel has frozen, chemicals dumped in the fuel tank can not get to the ice in the fuel line; the only solution is to heat the fuel line, preferably by moving the vehicle indoors, until the line thaws. For more info on these chemicals see Wikipedia entries for methanol, ethanol and isopropyl alcohol. Yes, I am a Chemist.
Great tips from a chemist! Thank you!
Greetings fellow Chemist! I have run tests with K100 and find that if it is added at 7 times the volume of water present it will solubilize it into a clear solution with no phase separation.
just use moonshine
pure alcahol does not freeze and mixes with water
I've lived in southern ontario (Mississauga and Waterloo) my whole life (I'm 43) and I've never even heard of this 'water in fuel tanks' problem, let alone have it happen to me. I know Petro Canada likes (or liked) to advertise 'winter gas' - maybe all gas sold here has the required protection?
There is very little humidity in cold winter air. Moist air is mainly a warm weather phenomenon.
1:16 seems like an awful high water concentration to expect a fuel stabilizer to combat, as far as phase separation is concerned. I would have been more convinced by volumetric tests examining how much water could be added to each treated sample before phase separation occurred.
Thank you for the feedback.
Agreed! Project Farm, can you do this?!
Agreed
I suggest you use a less water during the separation test. You added about 10-20% of water which is way to much compared to realistic conditions. I mean: Having several liters of water in a fuel tank would be concerning.
The ability of the additives to form an emulsion is limited.
Maybe add 5% water, that could change the results. One of the jars was cloudy which means something different was dispersed in each of the layers.
Thank you for the recommendation.
i just made a comment about the same thing. I told him the amount of water he used was like inserting a water hose into the gas tank.
As I mentioned in my other post, you have to add more isopropyl alcohol than there is water. If its cold you might have to add 3x more. 5% water is doable with isopropyl alcohol with enough of it (0.5% would be something like a cup of water in the tank and wouldn't require the gas to be 15% alcohol), I don't know any other additive which can blend 5% water with gasoline.
@@keantoken6433 Yes, but he did add extra amounts to compensate (near end of video) and the results were still Snake Oil . . .
@@joeserdynski1045 I've done my own experiments, and you can find research with ternary diagrams for isopropyl alcohol, hydrocarbons and water if you know where to look. It just doesn't work in the conditions Project Farm used (which are absolute worst-case conditions). The K100 might be useful if it lives up to the exact claims, that is, spontaneously dissolving 1% water into gasoline (and probably not at subzero temperatures) using 10% K100 (yes, 1/10 a full tank of gas which can be GALLONS of K100). But you can't just scale it up for say 20% water at subzero temperatures, solutions don't work that way. You may end up needing more additive than gasoline.
who says water cant burn, n the Cuyahoga River caught fire in Cleveland in 1969,
Mustie 1, Great point! You put together AWESOME videos, and I'm confident you can make an engine run on water! Best regards, Todd
See if Flint, MI water can run an engine.
Hey, another one of my favorite youtubers on one of my favorite youtubers channel!
I remember that...and it happened in Massachusetts too !! (they made a movie out of it).
@@ProjectFarm Hey Mustie. Awesome to see you here. Love your videos as well.
I was rooting for the Heet. That's what my family always used back in MN to prevent the water from icing up the fuel lines. However, I agree with some of the commentors that you added one heckuva lot of water to that gas and it's asking a lot of the chemicals to deal with that much. I still greatly appreciate the time and effort it took to do all these tests. Thx :)
Thank you for the feedback
As ever a great and well thought out video. The only thing I may have been tempted by is to run them at specified dilution rates - some will doubtless argue over-dilution is as bad as under-dilution. Many thanks for taking the time to post.
Great point and thank you!
These non sponsored videos are a blessing to the general public, great work as always
Thank you
I love your videos when you test different fuels in the lawn mower and testing the strength of different tapes. Great job. I've told all my Friend's about your videos and your channel.
Thank you!!!
Thanks for your great videos and important content. It helps consumers a lot.
You may have already addressed this, but it appears your ratios of gas to water here are way higher water content than would be typically seen in the real world. I have seen similar tests conducted on K100 but with more realistic ratios and it held the water in suspension perfectly. In fact it was one of the few products that worked, and I was very surprised when I saw your result.
You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.
That lemonade looks pretty good at 5:10. :-) Great testing as usual! A++
Funny! Thank you very much for the positive comment and great job on your latest video on the motor and transmission fluid suction pump!
You made me have to look at the lemonade
I thought margarita 🤣
But does it prevent phase separation?
Mmmm, icy lemonade.
where would the world be without mason jars!
michael in a tin can
@@InfamousAMH sardines?
Plastic jugs?
@@michael-dm2bv Reckon we'd have to go back to drinkin the 'shine outta clay jugs agin! Mercy Lawd amighty caint yunguns figger enthin out bar sum hep from granpap!
Dixon jars?
I you drive your car down our horrible roads, phase separation is not an issue.
I would say replacing struts everyday would be.
@@soundspark
Muhlenberg county ky.
Our primary and secondary roads are horrible. Mostly due to flooding and the winter. Weather here can go from a day on the beach to run for shelter then freeze your ass off.
lol
In N.J. We have a road tax to repair our roads, I think it is for installing more cracks and pot holes. Our secondary roads are one step better then dirt roads treated with animal fats... road kill animals!
@@gettintheresafelywithpatf2869 Okay, I love your state for Six Flags Great Adventure but by god your Turnpike is expensive! and every other North-South Highway costs money too!
I just want to say great job on the video. I have used both Iso Heet and Star Tron. But I have never hear of K 100. I have used both of the star tron and the iso heet in my ATV and I had pretty good luck with them and I live in Vermont. I liked how you did the testing in the video today. i love the fact you put a lot of hard work into the video to make a good video for your viewers to watch. I love you to start testing different diesel additives. I just want to say one last final thing I am looking forward to the next new video that comes out next Monday.
Thank you and hope you have a great week.
@@ProjectFarm You Too!
any fuel tank with that amount of water should be emptied. none of these products claim to blend a large amount of water like this into the fuel
Correct. Most people don't know it takes more than a few water droplets to separate ethanol from gasoline. That amount he added is like leaving an opened gas can outside in the rain all night.
Maybe should check how much actually a gas can be contaminated by itself left over 3 month but not in the rain. Then at least get a good idea how much water actually can get into the ethanol gas. Not just dump random amounts of water.
My man
Yeah, it seems like this is probably more water than they're meant to handle - but then the next question is, at a lower water level that these additives can handle, does the engine really need it?
@@IOwnCalculus good question. But generally speaking unless sabotage, would be really good to know, how much water really accumulated by itself. Otherwise other tests are useless, you might as well mix 50/50 and claim product fails.
generator bolted to a lawn mower body is just an epic win in my book.
Yeah, I know. :D
Thank you!
"Screw getting the wheel kit, I'll just bolt it to this clapped out mower deck that looks like a sumo wrestler fell on.... See, Look at that nice set of wheels!!"
Makes it easy to move around. I'm considering something similar for my gen but its a bit heavier duty than that 4kw unit.
Wheel kit and battery sold separately.
Excellent video! This one is one of my favorites because you took the time to test the additive - to - below freezing fuel, impressive!
Thanks so much!
Awesome test! Thanks for this. With deep cold hitting the midwest this will be a valuable video the next couple of days!
Thank you!
To be fair, none of those products were designed to be used with that much water. At the ratio you used, it would be like you had so much water in the tank that there's no way any additive could help. One way you could re-do this experiment would be to get an old gas tank and make sure it's clean, then fill it up with very cold gasoline and wait for it warm up with the cap off. Then the temperature change would cause condensation. Then drain the tank and measure how much condensation this made. Then adjust the ratio on the small scale experiment to accurately reflect the conditions a real car is likely to encounter in a typical winter. I mean it only takes a little bit of water in your fuel line to screw it up, so maybe one of these products would work just enough to help with that. Not sticking up for the companies; just that accuracy and repeatability are important in science.
Thanks for the feedback.
Which one do you recomend to use for that isue?
You are entirely correct on all points dawkinsfan. This test is not valid because it's testing the ability of a hammer to pound a house into the ground. The products are being tasked with something they were never meant to achieve and then declared useless when they can't do it.
@@edifyguy Yea, he's getting better, though. Watch some of his newer videos. I would like to see him re-do this one though.
@@ambulocetusnatans I've been watching him for awhile. He's very clever. He missed the ball on this one, but that doesn't mean he's not good at what he does.
When I was on a framing crew in northern MN we would read the bank temp that often read about -32 degrees F. We would have to use HEET in our air lines to keep the framing guns from freezing up. It did work quite well, but it was a bit of a hassle.
Great tip!
That stuff is 100% methanol. FLAMMABLE!
this always feels like a short research panel made for people who don't know specialize in this. Appreciate it a lot and hope universities look at this!
Thank you!
Thanks for doing an honest comparison unlike other videos that I seen online and I sent you a link to one on one of your other videos I wish I would have watched this one first so it didn't waste your time watching it
You are welcome!
You’re gonna love this. While stopping at a gas station late tonight, I had a conversation with the clerk. We started talking about UA-cam videos, and he said something like, “I love to watch the videos from the guy who tests different chemicals in his lawnmower motor.” 😁
You’re getting popular. Keep up the great work!
Awesome! Thank you!
Wouldn't this be false advertising if they are claiming it prevents phase separation when in fact it doesn't?
Great point!
Probably. The Companies would probably whip out some Lab Tests to help "prove" their wording is correct. Being Scientific they'd probably claim some special Condition(s) need to be met. So "it does" under ideal settings?
@@ProjectFarm A lie is a lie unless it's covered in the fine print!
The fine print is it says "helps" prevent, it doesn't prevent. Heet back in the day us to claim it just "helped" pass small amounts water through the carboruator.
@@1D10CRACY Looks like something could or would get it out but maybe it'll take a atomic explosion to do it. Our illustrious 'government' at work. Morons.
I think you did a really great job, of testing these products. The gasoline and water separation, was very obvious. The products clearly failed at preventing water separation. Although it was really amazing, to see HEET prevent ice formation.
Thanks for the feedback.
Very useful information. Thanks for taking the time to run this experiment for us.
Thank you!
Besides teaching people on the internet, this guy needs a job teaching Junior High or High school kids. This is exactly the energy and clarity our kids need to be educated properly. Another great video
Thank you
Have you ever followed up with the manufacturers of the products that don't perform as advertised? I mean, I'd probably want my money back if the product didn't do what it says it does.
Great point. I've never requested a refund due to the time and hassle involved.
The manufacturers might have some 'splainin to do.
Just like oil and fuel additives. They are a bunch of hype!
@@MrFmiller They NEED to!
@@ProjectFarm Funny how someone who can take days to compare something that can look "insignifiant" don't have time for that kind of shit, i like you !
I'm shocked. As someone who knows an individual that was closely associated with K100 from the beginnkmg, I have to say how shocked I am. I now wonder if it's use every 3k miles does anything negatively for my engine since it clearly isn't doing what's stated.
I love your videos. You give all brands a fair shot, and come up with some ingenious contraptions for testing all kinds of claims. You seem like a good person, who puts in a lot of hard work. I'm glad for your success.
Thank you very much!
I absolutely love ALL of your projects. Please keep them coming. They are appreciated.
Thank you very much!
This channel is by far the best way to save money. Thanks for making these awesome videos!
Thank you
I'd be interested in seeing you do a test series on different Jerry cans: diff. brands, diff. types, plastic vs metal, resistance to rusting/corrosion, long term durability, quality etc
I've heard that Wavian brand cans are really tough, would love to see them put to the test.
Thank you for the video idea!
I like every video more than the last - Keep up the good work!
i would love to see a video testing different engine degreasers including common household cleaners like dawn dish soap or dishwasher detergent. you make great videos keep up the good work.
Thank you for the video idea and thanks for the positive comment!
Suprised you didnt test the makes water flammable claim by draining the seperated gasoline off the top of the k100 mix and taking a lighter to it.
Great video as always
Thank you
Great vids but 1 oz of water for 7 oz of gas/additives is way too high. That's like 1-2 gallons of water added to a gas tank. These things remove an ounce or two of water.
Thanks for making all these videos! They're always entertaining and educational!
Thank you!
I’ve been using Startron since I first saw it five years ago. I put it in my gas cans for all my yard tools i.e. chainsaw, Scag zero turn, grass trimmer, leaf blower etc. I was using it primarily to prevent ethanol damage in all my Stihl equipment. Based on this video and another one you did, it’s a shame that the product doesn’t live up to the label; plus this stuff is expensive. I might as well be putting alcohol dyed blue in my gas cans instead; a whole lot cheaper and probably the same results. Thanks for all you do with your channel.
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
The only phase separation seen here is when your hard earn money
goes from your pocket into those company pockets for a product that
does not work as they claim they do...
Great point!
😂so true
No disrespect, but he's tested the ability of various hammers to drive screws. This test does not represent how these products were intended to be used, so it's no surprise that they didn't perform as advertised. Having looked at the ingredients, I can assure you that K100 and ISO-Heet do work when used as intended. I'd like to see more testing on StarTron, but a mechanic friend has seen it work when used as intended, so I trust it too.
I work in a small engine shop. This is an everyday thing. And less water would still have a similar effect. WATER DOESN'T BURN!
Thank you
The purpose of these additives isn't really to make water burn, though, in spite of the silly slogan on one of them. Their real purpose is to make small amounts of water mix with fuel so it flows through the fuel system without causing disruptions. For example, without such an additive, small amounts of water in the gas, usually from condensation, will puddle in the bottom of a carburetor bowl and eventually stall the engine. With such an additive, it will simply be pulled through with the fuel, be vaporized when the fuel is burned, and go harmlessly out the exhaust.
These products all made a valiant effort to do this, but he overwhelmed their capacity with unreasonable and unrealistic amounts of water. With small amounts of water these are meant to disperse, I have no doubt they all work. Looking at his results, I would put ISO-heet as the strongest, followed by K100. K100 could potentially also be safer for fuel systems, since it contains no alcohol, albeit isopropyl alcohol is one of the less corrosive alcohols.
@@edifyguy I think you may be right that its intended purpose is a large fuel tank, 20-30 gallons of fuel with a cup of water plus the additive being constantly shaken going down the road it may work much different
@@edifyguy I dealt with many cars with water in the tank causing problems..
None had this ratio of fuel to water and each was dealth with by using a bottle of 100% alcohol...
It allows them to clear the tank without having to drain the whole system..
@@zakofrx WHERE CAN YOU FIND 100% ALCOHOL?
Think I'm going to nominate you for a Nobel Piece Prize for showing us how to use a drill to start a small engine.So simple but it never crossed my mind.Thanks again for another great info video.
Thank you
Thanks for all your shows. Great detail and tests. It really helps me out on spending my money wisely or just throwing it away.
You are welcome!
Badass test ! . Just mix nitro in the tank and call it a day, burn that water out at full throttle !!!
That'll get the job done! I love your videos! Great job on the latest video with the see through engine getting a new turbo!
I have a suggestion for a new product test for engines! There is a company called XADO (don't know if it's available on your country) and they have several product with a "revitalizing" effect. According to them and many tests, it builds up a metal-ceramic layer on top of the engine parts and improves compression, power and reduces oil consumption. Maybe you could test their products and if they really hold up to what they promise.
A good product for the engine would be the "XADO AMC maximum 1 stage". But they also sell a product called SnipeX, which (according to them) improves the accuracy of weapons.
Thank you for the video idea!
I used them a lot, spend more than a thousand dollars from the engine revitalizant, power steering and automatic transmission, also use engine flash, gear oils and other additives, its good but expensive... if you are into racing, definitely check zado out. But for daily driving, i think its too much, so after i used most of my stocks i returned to mobil1. My 2005 4runner has 185k miles now.
Hi PF, was watching TV in the UK a few days ago, and to my surprise one of your old clips was shown, anyway, thanks for a great channel. Cheers Jim
Thank you very much!
Thank you for testing k100 and doing a honest test. I really didn’t believe the test they did themselves.
Thank you
Maybe test different Diesel fuel anti-gels?
Thank you for the video idea!
@@ProjectFarm that needs to be done asap
Good one.
Best anti-gel is petrol and ether. They taking off cetanes badly from fuel but hey, they work and are cheap.
This. I live in Finland and it gets cold. Though from october till march or so, every diesel pump in Finland serves only winter proof (up to like -32°C/-27°F) diesel.
But still, sometimes paraffin separation hits. It would be nice to know if one could boost the performance of winter diesel even further!
Is there any way to check if fuel injector cleaners actually do a good job?
Thank you for the video idea!
Project Farm I would also like to see that.
Most don't. I had clogged injectors and they had to be run on an actual injector cleaner/testing machine as well as ultrasonic to be brought back into use.
take it out and have someone crank it over while the injector is over something to spray and observe spray pattern then compare to the manufacturer specs, or do a before and after. was taught that in auto class, worked to find the bad injector in my blazer.
I ain't no switch hitter ever never I love u n your videos Man I hope this channel helps you prosper for future generations because you deserve it thanks for your help don't ever tarnish your reputation by selling merchandise like t-shirts and caps and all that BS please don't do that you're way above that
Your videos are of very high quality for viewing & sound & great content. Thank you.
Thank you
Love your channel! However, the amount of water you used is equivalent to having about 6gal of water in my truck's 30gal tank. Seems a bit unrealistic.
Thanks for the constructive feedback. Just found this video that used less water. ua-cam.com/video/7l9mU9IqMdE/v-deo.html
I noticed that also
I was going to ask the question
Love your videos! i’ve learned a lot from you! thanks project farm!
Thank you!
Haha, not only you, one of my favorite channels, really useful, it has helped me many times. One BIG THANK YOU!!!
Hitlepos IXV heck ya man! it’s just straight up honest and real!
Great as usual! You are quite the inspector on this subject matter and thanks again for saving us some hard earned cash for not buying these additives that do not perform well.
Thank you
Very informative video, ... kind of lost now with some of these products. A big 👍 and thanks for all your work!!!
Art
Thank you!
Honestly I’ve never trusted fuel stabilizer, I like to use premium. and here in montana the fuel doesn’t tend to freeze.
Great point.
Are you going to be revisiting this one anytime soon? I would like to see if the gas is still flammable with the fuel treatments and stabilizers
I really appreciate your videos I watched one a week ago about restore I was just getting ready to put a new motor in my Silverado with a 6 liter gas engine I cannot believe it but I change the oil and put a bottle of ReStore in it it literally stopped smoking runs like a new truck again and I just got done pulling my camper with it and it did not put out one piece of smoke I'm shocked it just saved me $2,500 thanks for your videos
Thank you very much! Glad I could help!
You are one of my favorite UA-cam channels you deserve more subscribers
Thank you
I play around with e85 a lot over the years... When I wash a gritty fuel tank out with water I'll finish it off by shaking some ethanol around in there to absorb the water, then I rinse and repeat. I haven't done this specific test, but I'd be willing to bet adding around 50% ethanol to your gas may get that volume of water to blend...... Maybe..... I should try. I thought it would because the main problem with e10 fuel is that there is so little ethanol present that it's easy to contaminate and drop out....
Great tip! Thank you
You are correct on all points volvo09. It would undoubtedly work.
It's amazing that we buy stuff every day based on the advertising and they just turn out to be useless. Buyer Beware!!
Great point.
AMEN to this!
In this era of Big Business and Indifferent Government, consumer laws are simply not enforced.
@@ed909 No accountability anywhere about anything.
Well its hard to tell if the product works when you can't see it directly. Im glad this guy does these videos. So we can actually know.
Amazing video sir! 😍😍 thank you sir for doing my request! ❤❤
Thank you!
I am glad to sww that you found a use for the lawn mower base whose engine you destroyed in a previous video. :-)
Thank you! It's working very well as a wheel kit and the price can't be beat.
If anyone can make water burn, you can. Clicked on the video the instant I got the notification.
Thank you very much! I was hoping for better results from these products.
Lol you're gunna go missing soon if you keep this very informative information circulating. Stay safe buddy ;)
Thank you
I like the fact that we have some very knowledgeable in here . This make for a more precise test by knowing what could of been done for a better test ETC. Even if there was too much water added, we have a good picture of which additive work the best. I would of been surprised if the motor would have run with that much water.
Thank you!
Awesome test. These products had me sold for years. Thank you for the proof.
Thank you
Have you considered 2 stroke oil mixture lubricity testing? Like, 24:1 vs 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?
Thank you for the video idea!
Tcw3
Video about the best anti-gel for diesel fuel?!
Thank you for the video idea!
I like to see that test too . I will be so pissed if power service doesn't pass.
That's one I would like to see! Howes vs Lucas!
Try Fort'e diesel injector cleaner
As much as I dislike YT in many ways, I do appreciate the fact that I can check out product claims pretty easily with a YT review!!
Thank you!
My man! Keep em coming! Great content as always!
Thank you
How about a mini turbo kit for one of the bicycle engines?
Thank you for the video idea!
Wow, Half a Million Subscribers soon, great work!!! must be doing something right :)
Thank you
@@ProjectFarm Doing EVERYTHING right!
Deserved. Kind of addicted now and I've watched all the back catalogue, so make lots more!
@@jeffhughes1318 It's the real thing here, Pal!
his tests of different oil additives on engines are priceless!
Another awesome video! Thanks for the time you spent making these!
Thank you!
I love hearing those magic words, "We're gonna test that" 😁😁😁
I love how sceptical you are in your videos, wanting to see hard evidence of claims. Thanks for all the great videos 😁
You are welcome!
Water is at all stations that have diesel. Would really love to see this with diesel
Thank you for the video idea! I plan to test it soon.
@@ProjectFarm truckers(me) like to mix kerosene with diesel to keep fuel going
Great video! I wonder if denatured alcohol would do a good job or not.
Great point! I should test it.
Denatured is adding a nasty or toxic ingredient to ethanol to make it undrinkable.
Great video as always! Keep up the good work and look foward to more of your content in the future!
Thank you!
Thank you for showing this. I wasn't really sure these kinds of products are helpful. You showed there is good reason to be unsure.
Thank you!
Have you considered testing Stabil360? It doesn’t claim phase separation prevention, but I wonder how it compares to untreated gasoline. (How an engine runs and if build up is better or worse).
Thank you for the video idea!
Wow didn’t expect that one everything they said didn’t work
I didn't expect this outcome either. I was shocked and disappointed.
That was a insane amount of water, there was more water + product then Gasoline so it’s no surprise the engine would not ran.
Top test as a mobile motorcycle mechanic I have had problems for years with ethanol in tanks and seals Literally melting but these problems occur after a few years sitting resulting in petrol tanks rupturing below the fuel line it’s the ethanol acting like a sponge absorbing moisture in the air and sitting below the fuel during phase separation.also ethanol has a short shelf life atm ethanol is around 10% by volume but want to increase it to 20%!!this is in the U.K. try and test the “metal lump” fuel stabiliser that you leave in your tank sounds fishy but would be interesting to test IMO cheers Todd 👍
Good oil makes all the difference in any machine performance. Thank You for the demo and can’t wait until the championship round! 👍👍👍👍👍
Your Welcome!
Try to run an engine on cologne it is very flammable actually
Thank you for the video idea!
Did you try out human urine in engine?
Must be stinky like old spice!!
It smells good.
might as well use farts to power an engine at this point.
Try METHYL HYDRATE, its available at hardware stores in 4 litre jugs, I've used it for years in gas tanks to keep fuel and fuel lines from freezing. I believe it can thaw out frozen fuel lines if they are already frozen. An important note: it is good for gasoline fuel NOT diesel.
PS I only use the highest octane gas that supposedly does not contain ethanol...
Avoid ethanol in small engine at all times!
Thank you for the video idea!
@@ProjectFarm You're very welcome, I hope my suggestion helps you and your viewers... Having frozen fuel lines is no fun at all...
I run some methyl hydrate through my old truck occasionally for just this reason. Works great when it starts freezing up!
Love your channel you do a great job I would definitely love to see more videos on fuel stabilizers and other fuel related category stuff maybe gas filters that remove water maybe and how well they work
Thank you for the video idea!
I love these videos. Your channel is a blessing to humanity!
Thank you very much!
Methylated spirits in your fuel tank evaporates water from fuel better then anything I have used
Thanks for the recommendation!
I believe yellow heet is methanol already, so he did that.
I thought that methylated spirit was only 10% methanol? Whatever it’s made up of it’s worked for me numerous times!
Please do follow up this experiment with Metho, is it an urban myth or not?
we don’t have to worry about ice over here it’s way to hot but iv had a little water in my bike fuel tank plenty of times as the country town I live in has very old storage tanks and is a couple of hours to the next nearest fuel station (premium unleaded, no ethanol) a splash of metho give her a shake and let it sit a while never let me down! Obviously if there is a lot of water it’s not going to do the job but this is for shore worth testing.
Is there anything that works with phase separation?
Great question. I'm hoping there is a product for this.
Project Farm
Motorkote fuel optimizer?
Actually yes, diethyl ether, I'd used it a lot, you can mix perfectly for example gasoline, diesel, castrol oil, synthetic oil and water without problems. The only drawback is that the ether evaporates quickly.
Yes, don't put water in your fuel. Use your fuel in a timely fashion so it doesn't sit around trying to accumulate moisture from the atmosphere.
Yes buy Non Ethanol fuel. Rec90 E0
Have you ever tested coolant system stop leak products? My dad and grandpa used black ground pepper, and I had a nasty leak recently, used the pepper (only one tablespoon for the entire system) and I haven't overheated since. I was adding about a half gallon premixed coolant every other day, or every trip more than 50 miles.
Wondering if the other products work as well... Can't beat the value on black pepper! Keep it in the garage for a sandwich and an overheating car!
Your videos are always fantastic, and I've made better decisions when purchasing stuff based on this content!
EDIT: before anyone has a chance to tell me how dumb I am for not fixing the system, my weekend project this week will be replacing the cracked radiator. Already purchased and in the garage.
Not yet but thanks for the video idea!
Very good! I love this channel.
Remember back when gasoline first hit 2.50 and then 3.00+ per gallon? Hell, I remember when it was 1.00 per gal and cigarettes where 50 cent per pack. Anyway, I had an 89 Dodge Dakota, regular cab long bed, something I'd fight for to have again. This was a 318 throttle body injected test bed. I can't find anything even close now-a-days. This was a good truck, a daily driver.
I refused to pay 3 let alone 4 buck per gallon when we all knew there aint not one single reason for the price jump, aside from, they can and so you will....! I ran my poor Dakota on cheap fuel and water and rubbing alcohol. I put so much water through that poor thing, I'd mix 1 gal of water per every 4 gal of gasoline, then add 2 bottles of rubbing alcohol and I would just drive anywhere I needed to go. This was like I said, my daily driver. When I let it sit for a couple of days, I had a hard time getting it started, then I ultimately had to drop the tank and get the water out of it, add fresh fuel and all was good to go.
Your visual show and tell is what was happening in my tanks of fuel. As long as I would drive every day it was fine, low on power but otherwise fine. When it sat a couple days is when I began to have issues. I miss that truck even still today cause I no longer have one. That was my test bed for many projects, and I sold it solid except for the body which is the only reason I sold it! Here in the rust belt, that frame was fine, the poor body is what let go. I miss that truck sometimes!
Thanks for the positive comment and sharing your experience with water in fuel.
Everybody makes comparisons with fuel stabilizer water removers yet they all fail, why doesn't someone make a test where one does pass so we know what to buy
I am not trying to say these products work but my main thing with this is sometimes less is more as in you adding more treatment may actually decrease chances of success.
For example if someone is sick and they take an antihistamine to help with symptoms and it sorta works doesn't mean that taking 20x the amount is going to make you feel 20x better. Likely the opposite will be true.
Also these may only be rated to prevent phase separation when it come to a lot less water to gas ratio than you are testing. Saying prevents may mean it can help prevent phase separation when water to gas levels are let's say 2% or less but at 30% may be next to useless.
That is why I would suggest trying in future test like this adding small amounts of water to treated fuel at a time, stirring, waiting and repeating to see if the point of it separating is affected at all by these treatments.
Controls to see how much phase separation occurs too wouldn't be a bad idea. Looking foward to future test.
Thanks for the constructive feedback.
@@ProjectFarm, no problem. Keep up the good work!
As always, great experiment and video.
Thank you
Good one. Thanks for your time!
Thank you
Water doesn’t burn. Why firefighters use it 😂. Best thing you can do with water contamination in fuel is drain fuel and start over. Most products like that are the next thing to snake oil. Nice to see this tested and proved. Nice video. You gave them all a chance.
lol. Great point!
@@ProjectFarm Hi first of all great video as always, albeit me always looking forward to your videos and impressed by the empirical nature of your testing, I am afraid that the amount of water in the first testing phase is perhaps not very representative. The ratio of water to gasoline seems unrealistically high, maybe it would be worth trying with less water? I don't think that the products were designed for such large amounts of water contamination :D
Again thanks for your video and greetings from Germany :) !
Otherwise a great video as always
@@lucaskramer9076 That's a good point but what if you got a dose of water from your friendly neighborhood convenience store and had to get it out so you could go to work to pay bills? It's happened before. I had a Ford 4x4 that got a dose of bad fuel and never ran right after that. I guess, drop the tank and drain everything and start over if you could. Some of the new diesels are a veritable nightmare to try and drain the whole system . The little man takes the beating again, as always. Keep after it, Lucas!
Drain Fuel? If PF has proven anything - it's that phase separation occurs, in which case you should only need to drain the water, as water is more dense than fuel, so it sits at the bottom of the tank.
@@delawarecop That'd be fine if you have a drain at the tank bottom but if you don't you can try and siphon or pump it out but some will be waiting for you. I want a solution just like you do!
So you're telling me I'm better off adding some pure isopropyl alcohol to my fuel tank than trust these product?
Salvador Martinez
It works well.
@@FrankGutowski-ls8jt In the old days methyl alcohol was the word. Out board motor tanks were sometimes a problem (lots a water)
Michael
One of my car’s manuals advised against methanol due to fuel system incompatibility. IPA will dissolve more water than methanol or ethanol. Small engine fuel tanks should be drained and the engine run dry between uses.
@@FrankGutowski-ls8jt You are correct draining the tank is the way. Metho was only the word many years ago.
Love these fuel videos!
I have another idea for a future video, which is to test the accuracy of torque sticks for an air impact gun.
This is a terrific idea! Thank you
Great video once again. Last week I suggested testing medical oxgen in place of nitrous oxide. This week my idea is for you to test a regular 4 stroke engine with no modifications running on regular gas. Then inject nitrous oxide and propane. The propane should allow the enrichment needed to give a large power boost.
Thank you for the video idea!