In New Zealand we have a famous rally driver, Hayden Padderson whom drives a electric Hyundai. I like noise and fumes but I'm all for seeing electric cars in future motorsports
Personally, I love the whine of straight cut gears and the way the pitch just keeps rising. EVs are far from silent. Just a different sound. The VW ID racer is awesome in this respect.
Absulutly great that they are coming. You could build a motocross course inside a housing estate, or better still in the grounds of a hospital! well if I was riding anyway lol. Electric go carts and street rally stages can be run anywhere, bringing a real sport to the masses.
I like the idea of having part of a racecourse within line of sight of a hospital, especially a children's hospital. There's people who can't get out to watch events live.
Rallying is a bit unique in that there isn't a need for more power from electric motors or conversions. We all remember the Group B cars that were outlawed for their insane power, and classes today can exceed the limits very easily so must be restricted. A separate class for electric would be really good to see. As you eluded to in the video, various forms of racing create new technology that filters down to us mere mortals in road cars, so getting EVs into all forms of racing can only be a good thing for all.
An electric class, within the same rally, so do exactly the same stages, that way ,it's a way for 'the public' to see the advantages and maybe the disadvantages of electric.
I'm sorry but that is not how rallies work....Rallying is about spectacle and NOISE.....If you've ever heard a BDA at full chat or a 6R4 at 2am in a welsh forest you would understand that there is absolutely no place for electric cars in rallying (Frankly, there's no place for them on the road, its terrible technology and totally unsustainable)
"Hello? Mr. Rohrl?... Yes we'd like you to rally our Model S Plaid" . . "What? You were looking for something faster to drive on the dirt than a Sport Quattro? I'll sent the contract to your people ".
My thoughts are once you get passed the noise = power thing, you are totally blown away with the quick speed take off and take over options you have in Formula-E. I have been following Extreme-E and Formula-E since it’s conception and watched the evolution from swapping cars mid race to completing a full race on one battery. The tech has come a long way and there’s nothing that sounds like a dentist’s drill going around a track. The race becomes more technical and when you have things like Fan-Boost for drivers from your phone, Attack mode where drivers go over which increases power. It’s way better than going around in circles and hope someone crashes so you can take the lead. (Yes more technical than that) But you get the point. Enjoy your shows very much Richard, awesome.
The rules have changed over the decades in F1, which saw tech accelerate (pardon the pun...) ,so maybe a new rule to allow full electric to compete head to head over the 190mile race distance? They used to have rules 750cc forced inducted / 2500 NA ,1500cc force inducted / 3000 NA etc ,which brought in, the Turbo era, and quickly advancing turbo tech.
I definitely think that electrification is q good thing in motorsport. The benefits are outweigh the change the loss of noise. I can't wait to see circular principals and for e innovation to take off in rally. This will bring real innovation. 😁💪🌞
The noises are the main reason I got into electric vehicles. I'm a road train driver and got into that because of the sounds they make. I've driven electric since 2015, and although quietly, my EV makes more sounds , and more interesting sounds than any car I've owned before, and I've owned some hard tuned beasts.
@@ElectricClassicCars You're right about F1 I predict they have about 6-7 years before it fades away, mainly due to lack of relevant sponsorships. I think Lewis understands this ... If not for the "Last race debacle" last season I believe he would have retired(!) believing he had all the records and they would never be beaten.
I have to say I am a great lover of the noise and pops and bangs generated by almost any kind of race car to date, it really adds to the atmosphere. However, at the end of the day it's all about racing, showing off the skills of the driver and the handling of the car. That hasn't changed with the advent of electric cars, so does it really matter if they are quiet? I don't think so, given time I think people will realise the game is the same, you can just hear yourself think while you appreciate the skills in front of you. Great video as always, thanks guys.
Ian Carver I totally agree with you! I remember when Audi brought the original Quattro onto the rally scene. There were people complaining that it was ruining their sport, as they wanted to watch mk2 Escorts drifting around the bends and four wheel drive cars are boring to watch… So here we are over 40 years later and are ‘enthusiasts’ still saying the same thing? No, they’ve moved on. Yes, the spectacle has changed but the thrill of watching skilled drivers racing over rough ground at fantastic speeds hasn’t 🙂
I can't wait to see electric touring cars racing! Cars like Plaid and I5N fighting it out round fast curcuits such as Silverstone. The lack of noise means electric racing cars can be used away from the normal remote venues and outside normal hours. It makes night racing more feasible.
The etcr debuted last year. Next year the hyundai ioniq 6n shown off already by the rn22e recently will debut in the etcr. And the fia has an ev gt3 series premiering in 2023 as well.
Noise at circuits is a very good point. I remember taking my Porsche to a number of tracks like Donington and Silverstone and having real issues making sound limits. EV completely takes that headache away from tracks that are constantly under anti social threats because of noise pollution. 👍
Most of our attention is taken up by the visuals - l've heard it's about 60%. Hearing takes differing percentages, depending if we're listening to classical music at home, or for animal sounds in the great outdoors. With man-made noises we can cross from the threshhold of hearing to that of feeling. Driving a loud motor sounds and feels great, as we all know, but the feedback through the auditory and touch senses can distract us from seeing as clearly for short periods, just long enough to find immoveable objects, unintentionally of course! There are a lot of vibrations feeding back as we floor it - the fewer the better as far as our concentration is concerned. A drop in a motor's volume can, and does, result in a change in visceral and visual awareness for example. Electric motors help us focus more on what's important, race winning and car (or life) saving: there are less distractions plus much better reliability. Most people want and need their pride and joy to be noticed and we purr over compliments, but electric motors separate the big'uns from the the little'uns. Good job guys!
Agreed and I’d add a caveat - If the cars are quicker, then I for one don’t care how they are powered. Give me speed over sound any day of the week; travel at speed of light or speed of sound - I know which one I’d pick 😈😈😂
The point of Motorsport is to complete the course as quickly as possible, either with better skill in standardised vehicles, or with better faster equipment. Somewhere along the way people have forgotten that the deafening noise was just a byproduct of the best technology of that era. Motorsport should always aim to make use of the best and fastest equipment
@@alanmay7929 I was thinking about Group B rally. F1 is something else and I never found it as interesting to watch, it will continue in some form but is limited in potential to keep the oil companies happy
@@alanmay7929 I agree lots of useful things come from oil, like carbon fibre. So why waste it by burning it? I lost interest in F1 when it was generally decided by the first corner. The qualifying laps are far more interesting, but not as good as rally or touring cars - that's where the real innovations come from. But each to their own, I don't watch horse racing either.
100% agree with you Richard. Bring on the electric motorsport! I used to rally and circuit race, now after getting used to electric I just find the sounds of "ICE" vehicles just really clunky and clumsy (It's really just the sound of wasted power!).
When you're main love is Drag Racing, it's hard to get past the 'noise thing' ,listening to an engine with a lumpy tick over, wondering cam duration etc, and even just looking under a bonnet, at the header sizing, carb / injector sizes and the craftsmanship (not saying yours aren't but....) Listening to 12,000hp of Nitro burning cackle, and performance figures of 0-300mph in 3 seconds is something I think electric is along way off tbh. With being involved in RC racing, for the last 40yrs (😳), the battle between IC and electric, has been going on for longer than I've been involved. Back then, brushed motors and Nicad's just wouldn't cut the mustard against high reving IC power, but these days, with sensored brushless (and controlled motor timings) and lipo batteries ,alot of people are converting their IC to electric!! So, yes, electric does have a place, but needs to be ,organically (?) brought in imo.
I want to see a fully sorted out gen 3 formula e car on a technical circuit against a f1 with power reduced to match the Fe car and matching tires. I'd bet the formula e gen 3 could hang with the f1 with similar power levels and similar sized tires on a technical circuit. 🤔
I think for those interested then try electric go karts as this would be similar with zero noise and then try to get used to it, I have never tried any electric vehicle, work friends love the torque but I'm just an old petrol head, still love watching the classics being reborn so to speak.
Having watched rally cars blasting though the welsh forests on the RAC decades ago, losing the excitement of the noise will absolutely adversely affect spectator interest, but electric will come and gas will disappear, so we will just have to adapt. I bet the historic events will get a surge in interest though.
I, also, love the noise...makes the hair on my arms stand on end! It's gotta be 20 years ago a kid at work got one of those ridiculously loud stereos in his little truck. I brought a special CD to work in short order. I handed it to him on our lunch break, and suggested we go out to his truck and play it. It was sounds recorded at airshows where WWII Warbirds had roosted. V-12 Merlins, Daimler-Benz 601's, and Allisons, Bristol Radials, Pratt & Whitney Radials, Wright Radials, the almighty Rolls-Royce V-12 Griffon, etc.. You get the picture, if you want noise, let there be noise. There was a period where electric model planes carried sound cards with the correct noise for the engine the full-sized plane carried. Pitch was varied with the throttle, as was the file used. They were very realistic! Why not put such a system in electric cars if you want the sounds of 'real' racing instead of those silly sirens or odd tones that we are seeing/hearing at races to keep spectators off the course.
@@bettyswallocks6411 Definitely not my style, but, Hey!, different strokes for different folks, right? What a way to customize an electric vehicle! The EV version of choosing between a throaty turbo muffler, sidepipes, hidden glasspacks, or straight pipes! You could change the sound files based on your mood, day of the week, who's driving, etc.. This might be a 'thing'! A whole cottage industry!
@@Bluswede I was thinking more of what general EV owners on the street might get up to. Oh strewth! Imagine what horrors people would have blasting out if the sound files, amps and speakers could be modded! Yowling cat anyone? Goat in distress? Guitar feed back? Ah well, as you said, each to their own!
Gwyndaf Evans Escort, thought I had seen the best rally Escort ,but I think I was wrong, sadly I was told it doesn't look quite so good now! I think it might be a good idea to have an electric class in more events Maybee electric is not the way forward for everyone but for some it works well .I think recently there has been a move towards large engine cars, which I am not sure are needed or good for the environment.Years ago I was lucky to win a rally championship with a 1300cc Chevette, it revved quite happily to 8000rpm and in second gear mated to a Quaife straight cut gearbox it did about 70mph I never thought about it blowing up or about the environment then
My ears perked up when you mentioned the tesla race car , then see the big tease of it at the end 😂 . Regarding electrification in motorsport , completely agree with you . The lack of noise didn't seem like a big deal when I see the formula e cars at the excel center . they sounded fantastic blasting down the start finish straight.
I am put off attending motorsport events as a spectator because I don't want to endorse the use of foil fuels. I would love to go and watch an e-rally. I would go and watch relatively stock electric cars with safety gear out in the forest.
Great to see the Clonakilty sponsored Darrian If anybody can work out how to rapid charge 30/40 EVs in a field in the middle of nowhere, it's motorsport engineers
Don’t let all this electric balderdash ruin the auditory thrill of motor racing! Honestly - I’m still missing the intoxicating sound of the hooves on the tarmac and the spectacle of the razor sharp wheel spinners putting competing charioteers 6 feet under! Ah, those were the days….;^)
To put batteries and an electric motor in a Darrian is sacrilege, in fact to remove the insane noise of rally cars with electricity is like telling fans at a football match they can't shout or making silent fireworks.
Couldn't agree more. I really hope EV-racing will create new EV-tech, so then it will be put into regular EVs: - I expect improvements in digital torque vectoring and traction control. Remember that "tank turn" by Rivian? Unfortunately, it didn't make its way into production version. - Battery-swapping tech/equipment/standards - makes sense for racing, makes perfect sense for daily driving (allowing to keep small battery for city rides and quickly swap it during long tour). - Maybe in-wheel motors. Doesn't look technically feasible today, so maybe race-tech will bring it to fruition.
I have grown up with ICE engines and so the thought of racing without the noise just takes away some of the excitement, you don't get the sensation of speed as hearing that noise, but with time it all changes and electric will continue to get better and better. As I have said in the past I feel for parts of the world we still need hybrids as places like here in Canada we don't have the best charging network outside of the big cities so you can travel, but we don't have rapid chargers to make cross country as speedy. I follow Sasha Anis from Mountain Pass Performance who has built a hybrid electric race car, and he has the electric motor inline with the piston engine and he can spin the piston engine with the electric motor and it basically sounds like it is running when it is only pumping air. Now that would be the coolest car is to have a plastic or other light weight V8 style replica engine spun by an electric motor so it sounds like a piston car, but is all electric. Keep up the good work and I love your conversions and how detailed you are with the work
The noise makes it more visceral (not that EV's are silent) and it's also very normal, to most people since we grew up with it. This is a paradigm change. It will take time for a) the old-fashioned ones to get over the noise thing and b) for the younger people to accelerate the shift to the new normal. What a time to be alive! I'd really like to see more of that car you're building and also the multicoloured VW Beetle/buggy you showed before.
That's what's needed imo. You'll always get push back, when forced to do something, but when the want/need is there, then it's a welcomed, natural progression. Rules need to be the same though, ie no stopping for 'fuel' or ducted fans (the banned late 70's BT46b?).
Shame that Gwyndaf's escort does not look like that any more! More pickup escort, wonder if Elfyn or dad is picking up the repair bill? Still it gives Phil Mills and the guys some extra work.
@@alanmay7929 Hahahahaha, wheres your sense of adventure, even if its only with a replica body and chassis so you dont screw with an original, I'm betting it would show its heels to an original though.
The hydrogen tank would need to be secured within the roll cage, also made crack-/flameproof. The usual natural gas vehicle fires are already impressive, now imagine it with pressurised hydrogen and racing. IMO not worth the risk and effort.
I think it would be great to see them on more motorsports and eventually the pendulum will swing from ICE to EV. It's inevitable and I welcome it. I really wish Formula E competed more on the same level as Formula 1 with super gippy tires lots of aero and power.
Not that I follow stockcar racing, I just live close to a track, but I am surprised they haven't got all electric. Stockcar is ideal for electric powertrains, clubs have probably introduced rules to not allow electric stockcars.
How hard is it to design a mixed battery-bank power system? e.g. 1 fixed + 1 swappable banks. The fixed one - with a proper cooling system to endure thermal stress during the race. Deeply bured within the chassis. The swappable one - lighter, air-cooled or passively cooled, easy to access to simplify swapping. Maybe allowed to discharge only to reduce thermal stress (so the fixed one will have to handle the regen power). Does it look like a way to offer easy half-swap compared to whole-battery swap?
Totally agree with your comments on F1 being behind the curve. It’s easily explained by big oil sponsors as well as engine suppliers not wanting to fully commit their road car/van sales to fully electric, which is why that some will fall away and go bankrupt in this ev disruption. They try to be efficient but noise is firstly a by product of inefficiency as well as heat. They used to say F1 sold rii oh ad cars but when you now look at car sales and see that EV’s are really the only type selling and selling fast!
@@alanmay7929 I totally agree about the noise, which I liked the older V10’s better than current V6 Turbos, which were way quieter initially, and still are. But, I’m afraid, if they want the sport to help sell road cars?? Better get with the times, and fast!
I absolutely agree with your 'rant' (which it is not), I do not care about noise. The majority of the viewer cannot attend the events, due to travel and costs, so watch an appreciate it from home, i.e. TV. There noise is moot, because can easily be adjusted. And, what is 'noise' worth, if everybody *has* to ware hearing protection? I think most people want to see (close) racing, speed, overtaking, and such. A test of man/machine. I do not think, in fairness, that type of engine/motor has a major effect on this... That said, I do think electric is the future. It's still early days, things like range and weight has been improved a lot, and will be developed further. And tech like torque vectoring gets me excited. I quite enjoy racing like Formula E and Extreme E. And look at that Audi RS Q e-tron, a hybrid Dakar car, I sure there will be a lot more development there. Bring it on!
Great video Richard. Have you looked at Formula E which is full electric racing and there technology goes into electric road cars. Why dont you try your LandRover 90 electric in the off road series! That should a good trial for electric racing/rallying 😁 There is extreme E aswell which is fully electric off roaders
Great content Richard, enjoyed the bit were the VW tried to go sideways😂 I think that there should be all electric rally’s, with converted ICE rally cars,imagine a line up like Audi Quattro, Ford Escort RS, Lancia Stratos, Lancia Delta, Opel Manta…… the list goes on. You will be opening a new facility soon for converting rally’s cars 👍🏴😎
Well I love Formula E for the racing, the sound I can take or leave. Don't hate it, but with the TV turned up on race day the whine can be a bit piercing. At least we can hear the tyres scream and chirp against the tarmac! Not hearing the sonorous notes of a current WRC engine anymore would definitely be a loss, but I do appreciate how electric rallies would do less to disturb the wildlife in the area. The current WRC hybrids have had disappointing reliability, but if the manufacturers were able to roll their own electric power units I'm sure they'd get some tremendous performance out of them.
I think its a good thing it would be cool also to do battery swapping so when you have finished your stage they undo a few bolts it drops out and you can then fit a fully charged unit and maybe a different power output depending on the stage so I do think its the future as they will be more powerful and once they get popular then the rules will change and power outputs will be cut down like they did with the big turbos in the 80s and 90s but it is what it is so in the mean time lets enjoy the new I am a mechanic have been for 30 years a petrol head but I can also see its time for a change as engines have come as far as they are going to go and its time for a change so even I have ordered a Vauxhall mokka ultimate a year ago all be it I am still waiting for it as I know they have chip shortages and that so many people have put orders in and overwhelmed the manufactures as they underestimated the popularity of EVs way too much Stalantis cocked up big time if I had known I would have ordered another Ev like a tesla model 3 but I like the shape of the new mokka there's just two of us we only do local milage so its perfect for us and we go to the isle of wight once a year from the midlands which is well within its capabilities once I get it I still have no clue when I am getting my ev as I ordered it on October 1st 2021 so its nearly a year I am glad I never sold my ice car as I was told 6 months LOL what a joke.
Just ask yourself one question. Is it about speed and reliability or noise and stink? It’s called racing, is it not? Ok that was two questions. Apologies.
I am a rally fan in Australia, I love the noise but realise it can't go on forever, we have to move on or rallying won't survive, at a rally a couple of weeks ago many of the competitors hit kangaroos, they seem to be spooked by the noise of the cars, so an electric car that is quieter should be kinder to our environment and wildlife, but getting the dinosaurs running motorsport to change will be difficult, but if they don't change and work with the environment rallying will die from lack of relevance and governments will be pressured to ban it
That's really funny you mention the Kangaroos as I said something very similar last weekend when I took an electric 914 out for spin in the mountains and noticed that all the sheep weren't scattering all over the road when we drove through them like they used to when it was electric. Which is why electric Land Rover Defenders and Toyota Land Cruisers make great safari vehicles. 👍
Racing competition results in technological progress in a more peaceful way (as apposed to war) and the world would benefit from that. The current batteries on electrical vehicles are rather expensive, heavy and the most popular type, at present, can be very dangerous. There are also interesting development on electric motors which can benefit from racing.
I love EVs in motorsport. My e-scooter is my first electric vehicle because it accelerates as fast as a sports bike and it makes a loud natural electric engine noise. Making EVs fun is exactly what we need to convert everyone over.
I properly like the raw roar of an American V8... I understand, logically, that electric is the future, but it does not bring out the emotions that a proper V8 gives me..
Originally called Davrian but now Darrian. I think the origins of the company are from England ( London maybe ?) but now Darrian are based in Lampeter.
I think EV are a good option certainly for the likes of rally sprint, rally cross and other circuit racing. Also E-Bike Moto Cross for the bikes. Needs to be a little different from the E-series that is currently Formulae E. I think if the cars also put out a sound track more like a revving ICE - V8 burble then that might give it a bit of atmosphere - because the Atmosphere is the noise not just the speed and the livery of the vehicles.
Thanks for the excellent video, Richard and Tim. I gave up attending motorsport events decades ago, because although I love cars and bikes, I hate the noise and stench. Formula E is great, but that artificially enhance high-pitched drivetrain racket is both totally unnecessary and damaging to the hearing. What is becoming more important is the sound of the response of spectators to the drama of the races enhanced by tyre noises and the occasional sounds of barriers and vehicles being 'customised' in excitingly unique ways'. Let's face it, there's little noise from a football match, or a wrestling match, other than the responses and enthusiasm of the crowds, so why should motorsport be any different? Let the spectators speak! The drivers thrive on the feedback. If almost all 'infernal' combustion engines were banned from most racing, except for in historic events, more people would become interested in the sports. It's also high time for the FIA to remove the unnecessary noise from Formula E cars, give them decent battery sizes and to let them race on full courses at proper racing circuits. With modern EV's, a full Formula 1 race distance is becoming feasible. Performance will continue to improve as experience is gained, just as has happened with petrol-fuelled cars and bikes over the past 125 years. I take issue with Formula 1 commentators who trumpet their sport as being the pinnacle of racing efficiency, while the cars still burn through fossil fuel at the rate of something like 4 or 5 miles per gallon. For perspective, a 50 kWh battery contains about the same available energy as 1 gallon, or ~4.5 litres, of petrol. Yet an ordinary road car can manage 30 to 60 miles (50 to 100 km) of range on that gallon, whereas an EV does between 60 and 300 miles on that 50 kWh, depending upon car size, mass and design. A formula E car has a similar battery size to that, today. So treble it and you can begin to compare performance of such a vehicle with a 'modern' hybrid F1 car. I'd say that they're almost neck and neck already.
I think electric rally cars with gears are going to blow away the cars without gears, and eventually this technology will spread to high end EVs on the market. But the majority of road users will be fine with a single gear.
I own and love a Renault Zoe; that said, I believe that EVs will kill motorsport, at least "officially". There will be more and more EV races - because companies need them as publicity and to develop new technologies - but people will gradually lose interest in them; I really don't know why: it's a feeling... During lockdowns, the public TV here re-ran some late '70s/80s F1 races and watching Gilles Villeneuve struggling to keep that Ferrari in line and *seeing* that struggle was worth all the takeovers you can see in F1 in these days. When things look and feel "too perfect" they don't rise much sentiment
When you compare the overall stage results, what is noticeable is that the unmodified stock electric drive unit in the Corsa-e wasn't far off the pace of the finely tuned, beefed up and heavily modified engines.
@@alanmay7929 the event results are published, take a look then watch more of this channel, motor and battery weighs similar to engine and mechanicals. Fastest up Pikes Peak is all electric, Fastest on the drag strip too, rally is all about skill and quick acceleration
First as an electrician ( retired) I love to see and burn Electrons myself . Own an all electric 🏍️ motorcycle. Gets me for and back in the city to the country place 10 miles . I love it driving it at night no traffic no noise except wind noise .. I call it flying without leaving the road .. Have visit the fromula E race in Zuerich ( Switzerland) I loved it and so did hundreds of others . Switzerland with Domi Aegerter #77 Has an Moto E champion So the writing is on the wall. Yes ones we get over this noise fetish many have .. It will be the future. Battery technical goes forward in big steps . Just did buy a battery booster to start a car 1560 Amps ! 🏆🐿️
My understanding is that the F1 fans want the noise. They complain every time there is a engine configuration change and the sound reduces or changes. So, I expect that F1 management is being strongly influenced by them which is fair enough. No fans, no F1. I think electric F1 is inevitable. Maybe they just need to make electric racing a bit more exciting with the addition of sound ? I believe there are car companies already copyrighting certain sounds for their brands. Imagine if an electric formula one series was allowed to create it's own sounds ? They could replicate the sounds of old, they could use Star Wars type sounds of anything they like. How cool and exciting would that be ?
To be honest, most of us moan, when they swap stuff about in supermarkets (or is it just me? 🙄) , and the milk ain't where it used to be, so yes, it takes a while to get used to, 'the new normal' . Coming from the big power outputs of the turbo era of F1(which i still dont think we've reached again?) , to the music of the V12's to the outstanding sound of rpm and the V10's, it changed, we moaned, then enjoyed it.... So personally I'm not sure I'd enjoy , synthesised sounds at all. Electric do have a sound in their own right.
I love that they are introducing Electric to rallying. It's better environmentally, quicker and more reliable. But they do need to do something to improve the synthesised noise to keep some of that blood pumping excitement that is generated by the noise of motorsport as it is ingrained into the experience of motorsport. Maybe not a rally spec engine at full chat noise but something more akin to the starship enterprise or an X Wing fighter.
Massive engines are like dragons/dinosaurs, breathes and growls heavily and screams. EVs much closer to sci-fi with its noise and efficient/precise performance.
Definitely need more electric Motorsport to drive development further. If F1 was involved and developed electric /battery then they might find solution to range Im sure it’s possible But like anything needs money to drive creative minds to find solutions.
The lack of noise thing, is indeed a problem and that is because of the way, we constructed all the culture and spectacle around the rally sport, the fact rally and F1 cars make a bunch of noise themselves, meant we decided, that was the only sound necessary to captivate people, no other type of sounds or tricks were introduced to grab the public attention, music could become a big thing in electric rally racing, perhaps race commentators, perhaps even permit electric race cars to use their own funny noises, think outside the box, is time to rethink how rally racing for electric cars is setup, perhaps trying to push electric rally cars, into the world of ICE rally cars is the wrong approach.
Formula E has been much more fun to watch than F1 these past few years, anyway. Only this season F1 is on par, at least for me as a home spectator. Extreme E is also very interesting concept. So I say bring it on!
Everything depends on whether you're a spectator or a driver; driving EVe is great, watching them lacks something that brings the spectators, and their money, in to the sport. But in reality, it's just a time thing, the noise aspect will get forgotten and everyone will embrace the new sport. My wish is that MotoX would start evolving as well!
In New Zealand we have a famous rally driver, Hayden Padderson whom drives a electric Hyundai. I like noise and fumes but I'm all for seeing electric cars in future motorsports
I assume you mean Hayden Paddon from NZ? He actually won this rally, in a petrol Hyundai. 👍
Oops spelt Paddon wrong!
Hahaha like ur watching grandma going shopping in her scootmobile. The sound is part of the passion. Like the famous group b monsters.
Personally, I love the whine of straight cut gears and the way the pitch just keeps rising. EVs are far from silent. Just a different sound. The VW ID racer is awesome in this respect.
Absulutly great that they are coming. You could build a motocross course inside a housing estate, or better still in the grounds of a hospital! well if I was riding anyway lol.
Electric go carts and street rally stages can be run anywhere, bringing a real sport to the masses.
I like the idea of having part of a racecourse within line of sight of a hospital, especially a children's hospital. There's people who can't get out to watch events live.
The race car you are building is going to be a Little Monster.
i cant believe how much you just packed into 18' a big step in educating the law makers!
Thanks 🙏🙏👍
Rallying is a bit unique in that there isn't a need for more power from electric motors or conversions. We all remember the Group B cars that were outlawed for their insane power, and classes today can exceed the limits very easily so must be restricted. A separate class for electric would be really good to see.
As you eluded to in the video, various forms of racing create new technology that filters down to us mere mortals in road cars, so getting EVs into all forms of racing can only be a good thing for all.
One of the reasons I look forward to Fridays🤩
Thanks 👍😀
a retromodded Darian! what a beautiful thought. make it super scifi but make it all hidden.
Awesome vid, thanks ECC. 💪⚡💯
No problem 👍😀
They should definitely make an electric class if that is how rallys work.
Agreed 👍😀
An electric class, within the same rally, so do exactly the same stages, that way ,it's a way for 'the public' to see the advantages and maybe the disadvantages of electric.
I'm sorry but that is not how rallies work....Rallying is about spectacle and NOISE.....If you've ever heard a BDA at full chat or a 6R4 at 2am in a welsh forest you would understand that there is absolutely no place for electric cars in rallying (Frankly, there's no place for them on the road, its terrible technology and totally unsustainable)
"Hello? Mr. Rohrl?... Yes we'd like you to rally our Model S Plaid"
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"What? You were looking for something faster to drive on the dirt than a Sport Quattro? I'll sent the contract to your people ".
My thoughts are once you get passed the noise = power thing, you are totally blown away with the quick speed take off and take over options you have in Formula-E. I have been following Extreme-E and Formula-E since it’s conception and watched the evolution from swapping cars mid race to completing a full race on one battery. The tech has come a long way and there’s nothing that sounds like a dentist’s drill going around a track. The race becomes more technical and when you have things like Fan-Boost for drivers from your phone, Attack mode where drivers go over which increases power. It’s way better than going around in circles and hope someone crashes so you can take the lead. (Yes more technical than that) But you get the point. Enjoy your shows very much Richard, awesome.
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The rules have changed over the decades in F1, which saw tech accelerate (pardon the pun...) ,so maybe a new rule to allow full electric to compete head to head over the 190mile race distance?
They used to have rules 750cc forced inducted / 2500 NA ,1500cc force inducted / 3000 NA etc ,which brought in, the Turbo era, and quickly advancing turbo tech.
I definitely think that electrification is q good thing in motorsport. The benefits are outweigh the change the loss of noise. I can't wait to see circular principals and for e innovation to take off in rally. This will bring real innovation. 😁💪🌞
The noises are the main reason I got into electric vehicles.
I'm a road train driver and got into that because of the sounds they make.
I've driven electric since 2015, and although quietly, my EV makes more sounds , and more interesting sounds than any car I've owned before, and I've owned some hard tuned beasts.
I love the noise too now, it's very futuristic.
i love that turbine spooling noise it does, like knight rider
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You're right about F1
I predict they have about 6-7 years before it fades away, mainly due to lack of relevant sponsorships.
I think Lewis understands this ...
If not for the "Last race debacle" last season I believe he would have retired(!) believing he had all the records and they would never be beaten.
I have to say I am a great lover of the noise and pops and bangs generated by almost any kind of race car to date, it really adds to the atmosphere. However, at the end of the day it's all about racing, showing off the skills of the driver and the handling of the car. That hasn't changed with the advent of electric cars, so does it really matter if they are quiet? I don't think so, given time I think people will realise the game is the same, you can just hear yourself think while you appreciate the skills in front of you. Great video as always, thanks guys.
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Very well put. 👍👍👍
Ian Carver I totally agree with you!
I remember when Audi brought the original Quattro onto the rally scene. There were people complaining that it was ruining their sport, as they wanted to watch mk2 Escorts drifting around the bends and four wheel drive cars are boring to watch…
So here we are over 40 years later and are ‘enthusiasts’ still saying the same thing? No, they’ve moved on.
Yes, the spectacle has changed but the thrill of watching skilled drivers racing over rough ground at fantastic speeds hasn’t 🙂
Thumbs up for the Muppets who still enjoy noisy and slow internal combustion cars. Go really slow but DO make a lot of noise
I can't wait to see electric touring cars racing! Cars like Plaid and I5N fighting it out round fast curcuits such as Silverstone. The lack of noise means electric racing cars can be used away from the normal remote venues and outside normal hours. It makes night racing more feasible.
The etcr debuted last year. Next year the hyundai ioniq 6n shown off already by the rn22e recently will debut in the etcr.
And the fia has an ev gt3 series premiering in 2023 as well.
Noise at circuits is a very good point. I remember taking my Porsche to a number of tracks like Donington and Silverstone and having real issues making sound limits. EV completely takes that headache away from tracks that are constantly under anti social threats because of noise pollution. 👍
What I would love to see is a formulaE event, stopping to charge and everything. A good 3 hour of racing.
Most of our attention is taken up by the visuals - l've heard it's about 60%. Hearing takes differing percentages, depending if we're listening to classical music at home, or for animal sounds in the great outdoors. With man-made noises we can cross from the threshhold of hearing to that of feeling. Driving a loud motor sounds and feels great, as we all know, but the feedback through the auditory and touch senses can distract us from seeing as clearly for short periods, just long enough to find immoveable objects, unintentionally of course! There are a lot of vibrations feeding back as we floor it - the fewer the better as far as our concentration is concerned. A drop in a motor's volume can, and does, result in a change in visceral and visual awareness for example. Electric motors help us focus more on what's important, race winning and car (or life) saving: there are less distractions plus much better reliability. Most people want and need their pride and joy to be noticed and we purr over compliments, but electric motors separate the big'uns from the the little'uns. Good job guys!
The transitioning of motorsports to EVs is rapidly approaching and inevitable regardless of preferences. I for one love it!
Agreed and I’d add a caveat - If the cars are quicker, then I for one don’t care how they are powered. Give me speed over sound any day of the week; travel at speed of light or speed of sound - I know which one I’d pick 😈😈😂
lets jump into the future, lets go to 2022, cars should have been hydrogen fusion by now. but ev is how we get there. so lets get cracking
I wish they would use the old Jetson’s cartoon vehicle sound!
The point of Motorsport is to complete the course as quickly as possible, either with better skill in standardised vehicles, or with better faster equipment. Somewhere along the way people have forgotten that the deafening noise was just a byproduct of the best technology of that era. Motorsport should always aim to make use of the best and fastest equipment
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@@alanmay7929 I was thinking about Group B rally. F1 is something else and I never found it as interesting to watch, it will continue in some form but is limited in potential to keep the oil companies happy
@@alanmay7929 I agree lots of useful things come from oil, like carbon fibre. So why waste it by burning it?
I lost interest in F1 when it was generally decided by the first corner. The qualifying laps are far more interesting, but not as good as rally or touring cars - that's where the real innovations come from.
But each to their own, I don't watch horse racing either.
100% agree with you Richard. Bring on the electric motorsport! I used to rally and circuit race, now after getting used to electric I just find the sounds of "ICE" vehicles just really clunky and clumsy (It's really just the sound of wasted power!).
When you're main love is Drag Racing, it's hard to get past the 'noise thing' ,listening to an engine with a lumpy tick over, wondering cam duration etc, and even just looking under a bonnet, at the header sizing, carb / injector sizes and the craftsmanship (not saying yours aren't but....)
Listening to 12,000hp of Nitro burning cackle, and performance figures of 0-300mph in 3 seconds is something I think electric is along way off tbh.
With being involved in RC racing, for the last 40yrs (😳), the battle between IC and electric, has been going on for longer than I've been involved. Back then, brushed motors and Nicad's just wouldn't cut the mustard against high reving IC power, but these days, with sensored brushless (and controlled motor timings) and lipo batteries ,alot of people are converting their IC to electric!!
So, yes, electric does have a place, but needs to be ,organically (?) brought in imo.
Very good points, well put. 👍
with electric you hear the wind as in how fast you're going and how fast you are accelerating, you hear the brakes and you hear the tires
Brakes
@@Tejvir7 vs to thunder off as in rockets
@@replica1052 yes strap rockets to the back of the car I like the sound of that proper motor sport
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@@replica1052 I wonder how long refuelling will take
The Swedish Touring Car Championship STCC goes full electric this summer. With a wide variety of cars, Tesla 3, Cupra Born, ID.3, BMW i4, etc.
Ahh, yes... the new 24 minutes of Le Mans... 😆All kidding aside. I like the variety now. Something for everyone.
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24 days! Non-stop! Solar-powered :) Or via induction-charging race-track.
I love F1 as it is, but there really is no reason why they cannot run EV's on the weekend before the F1 race on the same circuits.
I want to see a fully sorted out gen 3 formula e car on a technical circuit against a f1 with power reduced to match the Fe car and matching tires.
I'd bet the formula e gen 3 could hang with the f1 with similar power levels and similar sized tires on a technical circuit. 🤔
i think that Formula E is the most exciting seriers at the moment.
I think for those interested then try electric go karts as this would be similar with zero noise and then try to get used to it, I have never tried any electric vehicle, work friends love the torque but I'm just an old petrol head, still love watching the classics being reborn so to speak.
Electric go karts definitely have a lot of punch!
Having watched rally cars blasting though the welsh forests on the RAC decades ago, losing the excitement of the noise will absolutely adversely affect spectator interest, but electric will come and gas will disappear, so we will just have to adapt. I bet the historic events will get a surge in interest though.
I, also, love the noise...makes the hair on my arms stand on end!
It's gotta be 20 years ago a kid at work got one of those ridiculously loud stereos in his little truck. I brought a special CD to work in short order. I handed it to him on our lunch break, and suggested we go out to his truck and play it.
It was sounds recorded at airshows where WWII Warbirds had roosted. V-12 Merlins, Daimler-Benz 601's, and Allisons, Bristol Radials, Pratt & Whitney Radials, Wright Radials, the almighty Rolls-Royce V-12 Griffon, etc..
You get the picture, if you want noise, let there be noise. There was a period where electric model planes carried sound cards with the correct noise for the engine the full-sized plane carried. Pitch was varied with the throttle, as was the file used. They were very realistic! Why not put such a system in electric cars if you want the sounds of 'real' racing instead of those silly sirens or odd tones that we are seeing/hearing at races to keep spectators off the course.
A fairly good start would be samples of Kraftwerk’s ‘Autobahn’ - album version, of course.
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Definitely not my style, but, Hey!, different strokes for different folks, right?
What a way to customize an electric vehicle! The EV version of choosing between a throaty turbo muffler, sidepipes, hidden glasspacks, or straight pipes! You could change the sound files based on your mood, day of the week, who's driving, etc..
This might be a 'thing'! A whole cottage industry!
@@Bluswede I was thinking more of what general EV owners on the street might get up to. Oh strewth! Imagine what horrors people would have blasting out if the sound files, amps and speakers could be modded! Yowling cat anyone? Goat in distress? Guitar feed back? Ah well, as you said, each to their own!
those mk 2 escorts though ......nom nom nom.
They are good to watch 👍😀
I’ve been following E-extreme rally series. It’s just awesome.
Great video.
I was born in Aber....
Gwyndaf Evans Escort, thought I had seen the best rally Escort ,but I think I was wrong, sadly I was told it doesn't look quite so good now! I think it might be a good idea to have an electric class in more events Maybee electric is not the way forward for everyone but for some it works well .I think recently there has been a move towards large engine cars, which I am not sure are needed or good for the environment.Years ago I was lucky to win a rally championship with a 1300cc Chevette, it revved quite happily to 8000rpm and in second gear mated to a Quaife straight cut gearbox it did about 70mph I never thought about it blowing up or about the environment then
My ears perked up when you mentioned the tesla race car , then see the big tease of it at the end 😂 .
Regarding electrification in motorsport , completely agree with you . The lack of noise didn't seem like a big deal when I see the formula e cars at the excel center . they sounded fantastic blasting down the start finish straight.
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I am put off attending motorsport events as a spectator because I don't want to endorse the use of foil fuels. I would love to go and watch an e-rally. I would go and watch relatively stock electric cars with safety gear out in the forest.
Great to see the Clonakilty sponsored Darrian
If anybody can work out how to rapid charge 30/40 EVs in a field in the middle of nowhere, it's motorsport engineers
It's easy. You have a full chatged battery pack in the back of the van that charges up the car when it comes into service.
Don’t let all this electric balderdash ruin the auditory thrill of motor racing! Honestly - I’m still missing the intoxicating sound of the hooves on the tarmac and the spectacle of the razor sharp wheel spinners putting competing charioteers 6 feet under! Ah, those were the days….;^)
To put batteries and an electric motor in a Darrian is sacrilege, in fact to remove the insane noise of rally cars with electricity is like telling fans at a football match they can't shout or making silent fireworks.
Couldn't agree more.
I really hope EV-racing will create new EV-tech, so then it will be put into regular EVs:
- I expect improvements in digital torque vectoring and traction control.
Remember that "tank turn" by Rivian? Unfortunately, it didn't make its way into production version.
- Battery-swapping tech/equipment/standards - makes sense for racing, makes perfect sense for daily driving (allowing to keep small battery for city rides and quickly swap it during long tour).
- Maybe in-wheel motors. Doesn't look technically feasible today, so maybe race-tech will bring it to fruition.
EV all the way
Great show mate
I have grown up with ICE engines and so the thought of racing without the noise just takes away some of the excitement, you don't get the sensation of speed as hearing that noise, but with time it all changes and electric will continue to get better and better. As I have said in the past I feel for parts of the world we still need hybrids as places like here in Canada we don't have the best charging network outside of the big cities so you can travel, but we don't have rapid chargers to make cross country as speedy. I follow Sasha Anis from Mountain Pass Performance who has built a hybrid electric race car, and he has the electric motor inline with the piston engine and he can spin the piston engine with the electric motor and it basically sounds like it is running when it is only pumping air. Now that would be the coolest car is to have a plastic or other light weight V8 style replica engine spun by an electric motor so it sounds like a piston car, but is all electric. Keep up the good work and I love your conversions and how detailed you are with the work
EV's in motorsport is brilliant! especially when they get to compete with the fossils head on!
Richard you should make the EV rally have the sound of a rally car some how
The noise makes it more visceral (not that EV's are silent) and it's also very normal, to most people since we grew up with it. This is a paradigm change. It will take time for a) the old-fashioned ones to get over the noise thing and b) for the younger people to accelerate the shift to the new normal. What a time to be alive! I'd really like to see more of that car you're building and also the multicoloured VW Beetle/buggy you showed before.
Race car update coming next week and baja bug in a matter of weeks. Keep watching. 👍😀
Formula E is fantastic, and demonstrates how amazing electric Motorsports can be. I hope we can someday soon watch WRC-E races.
Wow
It would be nice to go hybrid for a while, the sounds are amazing. Still have petrol engine noise (though quieter).
Good thing
It won't be long before anybody serious about going fast will be going electric.
That's what's needed imo.
You'll always get push back, when forced to do something, but when the want/need is there, then it's a welcomed, natural progression.
Rules need to be the same though, ie no stopping for 'fuel' or ducted fans (the banned late 70's BT46b?).
Love the EV Sport, its the way forward! Great Videos!!
Shame that Gwyndaf's escort does not look like that any more! More pickup escort, wonder if Elfyn or dad is picking up the repair bill? Still it gives Phil Mills and the guys some extra work.
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I like the idea to fill up a car with my own energy from the solar roof, and visit the petrol station just for snacks only...
Yep. 😎👍
A Stratos with an electric drive train, now that would be something truly special.
@@alanmay7929 Hahahahaha, wheres your sense of adventure, even if its only with a replica body and chassis so you dont screw with an original, I'm betting it would show its heels to an original though.
Would never go back to Noise had my Zoe 2 years
Totally agree with electric. My question is batteries or hydrogen? The is electric motor is a no brainer, but how to get the electric to drive it?
The hydrogen tank would need to be secured within the roll cage, also made crack-/flameproof.
The usual natural gas vehicle fires are already impressive, now imagine it with pressurised hydrogen and racing.
IMO not worth the risk and effort.
Hydrogen is most likely too complex and dangerous to run on a rally stage.
I think it would be great to see them on more motorsports and eventually the pendulum will swing from ICE to EV. It's inevitable and I welcome it.
I really wish Formula E competed more on the same level as Formula 1 with super gippy tires lots of aero and power.
Not that I follow stockcar racing, I just live close to a track, but I am surprised they haven't got all electric. Stockcar is ideal for electric powertrains, clubs have probably introduced rules to not allow electric stockcars.
How hard is it to design a mixed battery-bank power system? e.g. 1 fixed + 1 swappable banks.
The fixed one - with a proper cooling system to endure thermal stress during the race. Deeply bured within the chassis.
The swappable one - lighter, air-cooled or passively cooled, easy to access to simplify swapping. Maybe allowed to discharge only to reduce thermal stress (so the fixed one will have to handle the regen power).
Does it look like a way to offer easy half-swap compared to whole-battery swap?
Totally agree with your comments on F1 being behind the curve. It’s easily explained by big oil sponsors as well as engine suppliers not wanting to fully commit their road car/van sales to fully electric, which is why that some will fall away and go bankrupt in this ev disruption. They try to be efficient but noise is firstly a by product of inefficiency as well as heat. They used to say F1 sold rii oh ad cars but when you now look at car sales and see that EV’s are really the only type selling and selling fast!
@@alanmay7929 I totally agree about the noise, which I liked the older V10’s better than current V6 Turbos, which were way quieter initially, and still are. But, I’m afraid, if they want the sport to help sell road cars?? Better get with the times, and fast!
I absolutely agree with your 'rant' (which it is not), I do not care about noise. The majority of the viewer cannot attend the events, due to travel and costs, so watch an appreciate it from home, i.e. TV. There noise is moot, because can easily be adjusted. And, what is 'noise' worth, if everybody *has* to ware hearing protection?
I think most people want to see (close) racing, speed, overtaking, and such. A test of man/machine. I do not think, in fairness, that type of engine/motor has a major effect on this...
That said, I do think electric is the future. It's still early days, things like range and weight has been improved a lot, and will be developed further. And tech like torque vectoring gets me excited.
I quite enjoy racing like Formula E and Extreme E.
And look at that Audi RS Q e-tron, a hybrid Dakar car, I sure there will be a lot more development there.
Bring it on!
Great video Richard. Have you looked at Formula E which is full electric racing and there technology goes into electric road cars. Why dont you try your LandRover 90 electric in the off road series! That should a good trial for electric racing/rallying 😁 There is extreme E aswell which is fully electric off roaders
Have you converted a Landrover freelander yet? Old one
Great content Richard, enjoyed the bit were the VW tried to go sideways😂 I think that there should be all electric rally’s, with converted ICE rally cars,imagine a line up like Audi Quattro, Ford Escort RS, Lancia Stratos, Lancia Delta, Opel Manta…… the list goes on. You will be opening a new facility soon for converting rally’s cars 👍🏴😎
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Rally cross are going electric and by the looks of it they are converting ICE cars to electric.
Personally I find Formula E more interesting to watch than Formula 1. The narrow twisty very technical tracks make it more exciting.
Well I love Formula E for the racing, the sound I can take or leave. Don't hate it, but with the TV turned up on race day the whine can be a bit piercing. At least we can hear the tyres scream and chirp against the tarmac! Not hearing the sonorous notes of a current WRC engine anymore would definitely be a loss, but I do appreciate how electric rallies would do less to disturb the wildlife in the area. The current WRC hybrids have had disappointing reliability, but if the manufacturers were able to roll their own electric power units I'm sure they'd get some tremendous performance out of them.
I think its a good thing it would be cool also to do battery swapping so when you have finished your stage they undo a few bolts it drops out and you can then fit a fully charged unit and maybe a different power output depending on the stage so I do think its the future as they will be more powerful and once they get popular then the rules will change and power outputs will be cut down like they did with the big turbos in the 80s and 90s but it is what it is so in the mean time lets enjoy the new I am a mechanic have been for 30 years a petrol head but I can also see its time for a change as engines have come as far as they are going to go and its time for a change so even I have ordered a Vauxhall mokka ultimate a year ago all be it I am still waiting for it as I know they have chip shortages and that so many people have put orders in and overwhelmed the manufactures as they underestimated the popularity of EVs way too much Stalantis cocked up big time if I had known I would have ordered another Ev like a tesla model 3 but I like the shape of the new mokka there's just two of us we only do local milage so its perfect for us and we go to the isle of wight once a year from the midlands which is well within its capabilities once I get it I still have no clue when I am getting my ev as I ordered it on October 1st 2021 so its nearly a year I am glad I never sold my ice car as I was told 6 months LOL what a joke.
Just ask yourself one question. Is it about speed and reliability or noise and stink? It’s called racing, is it not? Ok that was two questions. Apologies.
The electronic 'screaming' is weird to hear. Maybe a speaker could be installed with the sole purpose of blaring vroom vroom sounds
I am a rally fan in Australia, I love the noise but realise it can't go on forever, we have to move on or rallying won't survive, at a rally a couple of weeks ago many of the competitors hit kangaroos, they seem to be spooked by the noise of the cars, so an electric car that is quieter should be kinder to our environment and wildlife, but getting the dinosaurs running motorsport to change will be difficult, but if they don't change and work with the environment rallying will die from lack of relevance and governments will be pressured to ban it
That's really funny you mention the Kangaroos as I said something very similar last weekend when I took an electric 914 out for spin in the mountains and noticed that all the sheep weren't scattering all over the road when we drove through them like they used to when it was electric. Which is why electric Land Rover Defenders and Toyota Land Cruisers make great safari vehicles. 👍
Racing competition results in technological progress in a more peaceful way (as apposed to war) and the world would benefit from that. The current batteries on electrical vehicles are rather expensive, heavy and the most popular type, at present, can be very dangerous. There are also interesting development on electric motors which can benefit from racing.
Im no mechanic, so ONE moving part is so good, and my electric slotcars make noise so amp up the spin!
I love EVs in motorsport. My e-scooter is my first electric vehicle because it accelerates as fast as a sports bike and it makes a loud natural electric engine noise. Making EVs fun is exactly what we need to convert everyone over.
I properly like the raw roar of an American V8... I understand, logically, that electric is the future, but it does not bring out the emotions that a proper V8 gives me..
F1 aren't allowed to go full electric until after 2035(?). Saw something on formula e late last year about this, can't remember source.
EV motorsport is the future whether F1 like it or not. Embrace the future or perish.
Love your work 👍
Thanks 😀👍
I think you'll find that the Welsh car is a DaVrian, not a Darian (or is it a silent V ?)
Originally called Davrian but now Darrian. I think the origins of the company are from England ( London maybe ?) but now Darrian are based in Lampeter.
I think EV are a good option certainly for the likes of rally sprint, rally cross and other circuit racing.
Also E-Bike Moto Cross for the bikes.
Needs to be a little different from the E-series that is currently Formulae E.
I think if the cars also put out a sound track more like a revving ICE - V8 burble then that might give it a bit of atmosphere - because the Atmosphere is the noise not just the speed and the livery of the vehicles.
I believe the issue is that louder sounds on the car would require bigger (and therefore heavier) speakers.
Thanks for the excellent video, Richard and Tim.
I gave up attending motorsport events decades ago, because although I love cars and bikes, I hate the noise and stench. Formula E is great, but that artificially enhance high-pitched drivetrain racket is both totally unnecessary and damaging to the hearing. What is becoming more important is the sound of the response of spectators to the drama of the races enhanced by tyre noises and the occasional sounds of barriers and vehicles being 'customised' in excitingly unique ways'.
Let's face it, there's little noise from a football match, or a wrestling match, other than the responses and enthusiasm of the crowds, so why should motorsport be any different? Let the spectators speak! The drivers thrive on the feedback.
If almost all 'infernal' combustion engines were banned from most racing, except for in historic events, more people would become interested in the sports.
It's also high time for the FIA to remove the unnecessary noise from Formula E cars, give them decent battery sizes and to let them race on full courses at proper racing circuits. With modern EV's, a full Formula 1 race distance is becoming feasible. Performance will continue to improve as experience is gained, just as has happened with petrol-fuelled cars and bikes over the past 125 years.
I take issue with Formula 1 commentators who trumpet their sport as being the pinnacle of racing efficiency, while the cars still burn through fossil fuel at the rate of something like 4 or 5 miles per gallon. For perspective, a 50 kWh battery contains about the same available energy as 1 gallon, or ~4.5 litres, of petrol. Yet an ordinary road car can manage 30 to 60 miles (50 to 100 km) of range on that gallon, whereas an EV does between 60 and 300 miles on that 50 kWh, depending upon car size, mass and design. A formula E car has a similar battery size to that, today. So treble it and you can begin to compare performance of such a vehicle with a 'modern' hybrid F1 car. I'd say that they're almost neck and neck already.
I think electric rally cars with gears are going to blow away the cars without gears, and eventually this technology will spread to high end EVs on the market. But the majority of road users will be fine with a single gear.
I own and love a Renault Zoe; that said, I believe that EVs will kill motorsport, at least "officially". There will be more and more EV races - because companies need them as publicity and to develop new technologies - but people will gradually lose interest in them; I really don't know why: it's a feeling... During lockdowns, the public TV here re-ran some late '70s/80s F1 races and watching Gilles Villeneuve struggling to keep that Ferrari in line and *seeing* that struggle was worth all the takeovers you can see in F1 in these days. When things look and feel "too perfect" they don't rise much sentiment
When you compare the overall stage results, what is noticeable is that the unmodified stock electric drive unit in the Corsa-e wasn't far off the pace of the finely tuned, beefed up and heavily modified engines.
Yep. The future is going to be interesting. 👍
@@alanmay7929 the event results are published, take a look then watch more of this channel, motor and battery weighs similar to engine and mechanicals. Fastest up Pikes Peak is all electric, Fastest on the drag strip too, rally is all about skill and quick acceleration
Love EVs.Hybrid and EV motorsport is great. The Corsa looks great.
The CO and CO2 offset is just marketing fakery, to be polite.
Honda e would've been a more exciting proposition
First as an electrician ( retired) I love to see and burn Electrons myself .
Own an all electric 🏍️ motorcycle.
Gets me for and back in the city to the country place 10 miles .
I love it driving it at night no traffic no noise except wind noise ..
I call it flying without leaving the road ..
Have visit the fromula E race in Zuerich ( Switzerland) I loved it and so did hundreds of others .
Switzerland with Domi Aegerter #77
Has an Moto E champion
So the writing is on the wall.
Yes ones we get over this noise fetish many have ..
It will be the future. Battery technical goes forward in big steps . Just did buy a battery booster to start a car
1560 Amps !
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I would love to see EV's in rallying/motorsport events. It's different and I think it's the future.
My understanding is that the F1 fans want the noise. They complain every time there is a engine configuration change and the sound reduces or changes. So, I expect that F1 management is being strongly influenced by them which is fair enough. No fans, no F1.
I think electric F1 is inevitable. Maybe they just need to make electric racing a bit more exciting with the addition of sound ? I believe there are car companies already copyrighting certain sounds for their brands. Imagine if an electric formula one series was allowed to create it's own sounds ? They could replicate the sounds of old, they could use Star Wars type sounds of anything they like. How cool and exciting would that be ?
I vote for X-Wing sounds. 😎👌
To be honest, most of us moan, when they swap stuff about in supermarkets (or is it just me? 🙄) , and the milk ain't where it used to be, so yes, it takes a while to get used to, 'the new normal' .
Coming from the big power outputs of the turbo era of F1(which i still dont think we've reached again?) , to the music of the V12's to the outstanding sound of rpm and the V10's, it changed, we moaned, then enjoyed it....
So personally I'm not sure I'd enjoy , synthesised sounds at all.
Electric do have a sound in their own right.
can you please convert ford model t into electric
Hello mate
Why not make a Ford Model T into electric
I love that they are introducing Electric to rallying. It's better environmentally, quicker and more reliable.
But they do need to do something to improve the synthesised noise to keep some of that blood pumping excitement that is generated by the noise of motorsport as it is ingrained into the experience of motorsport.
Maybe not a rally spec engine at full chat noise but something more akin to the starship enterprise or an X Wing fighter.
Good idea 👍😀
X wing fighter. 😍😎👍
Could you not make it sound like an F18 fighter jet? Synthetic noise being programmable means it could sound like anything yeah?
I'd make it have the sound of a horse. 😆😉👍
Massive engines are like dragons/dinosaurs, breathes and growls heavily and screams. EVs much closer to sci-fi with its noise and efficient/precise performance.
@@alanmay7929 ok tiny dinosaurs then.😁 ICE is like napalm bomb, plenty power and show but messy wasteful while EVs are like laser weaponry.
@@alanmay7929 @zodiacfml and btw your crap ICE and oil es made possible with electricity so keep the attitude mate!!!
Definitely need more electric Motorsport to drive development further. If F1 was involved and developed electric /battery then they might find solution to range Im sure it’s possible But like anything needs money to drive creative minds to find solutions.
That's a good point. If F1 was electric it would accelerate the development of EV technology.
An electric scort mk2... rally car.... :)
Great idea. Only a matter of time. 👍😀
yes please. 😍👍
The lack of noise thing, is indeed a problem and that is because of the way, we constructed all the culture and spectacle around the rally sport, the fact rally and F1 cars make a bunch of noise themselves, meant we decided, that was the only sound necessary to captivate people, no other type of sounds or tricks were introduced to grab the public attention, music could become a big thing in electric rally racing, perhaps race commentators, perhaps even permit electric race cars to use their own funny noises, think outside the box, is time to rethink how rally racing for electric cars is setup, perhaps trying to push electric rally cars, into the world of ICE rally cars is the wrong approach.
Formula E has been much more fun to watch than F1 these past few years, anyway. Only this season F1 is on par, at least for me as a home spectator. Extreme E is also very interesting concept. So I say bring it on!
Everything depends on whether you're a spectator or a driver; driving EVe is great, watching them lacks something that brings the spectators, and their money, in to the sport. But in reality, it's just a time thing, the noise aspect will get forgotten and everyone will embrace the new sport. My wish is that MotoX would start evolving as well!
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Gasoline cars are useless. They cant feed on grass, nobody sells gas around these parts, and they're expensive as hell...
-People from the 1910s