Hyped Backpacking Gear I AVOID...
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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These are my thoughts based on my preferences. If your preferences are similar to mine, then you might agree. If your preferences are different, then you might disagree and not have any problems with this gear. AND THAT"S GREAT! I find it really interesting when people share their experiences and preferences and encourage that in the comments. But anyone making personal attacks will be blocked.
👇 GEAR FROM THE VIDEO 👇
Tiny Pump X2: geni.us/TinyPumpX
Ultra 5R Sleeping Pad: geni.us/Exped5R
InReach Messenger: geni.us/InReachMessenger
Plex Solo Tent: geni.us/PlexSolo
X-Mid Pro 2 Tent: geni.us/XmidPro2
X-Mid Pro 2+ Tent: geni.us/XmidPro2Plus
Offset Trio Tent: geni.us/OffsetTrio
Man, I know you've disliked the Rapide for some time now. The new one, anyway. I bought mine in April of 2023 and absolutely love it. Can you tell me how this one that I bought is different from the reflective mylar type of insulation the new ones are using? I've not had mine out below freezing yet, but it is soooo comfortable and I have not noticed any cold spots or any other issues with it yet. Love your channel. You know I'm a long time viewer, J Money G!
@@scottyplug I am pretty sure the old version uses a sheet of synthetic material.
@@JustinOutdoors Thanks Justin. Yeah, I've been down a rabbit hole with this. They used to use a single layer of mylar type reflective material sort of fused to Primaloft Silver insulation. I'm going to fill mine up and hold it up to a bright light to see if it's suspended in the pad or just laying loose in there. Either way, I'm still stoked to have the older model. Hope you get the chance to try out the previous version. I do love mine. : ) Hike on, brother!! Thanks for such a quick and personal response. You're my favorite gear reviewer! If you ever decide to come to Cali and do the PCT, hit me up. I'll hook you up with some trail magic.
I've been using the xmid. 1 pro for a year. Super quick and easy to set up. Not much faffing at all. At 6'2" the steep walls from the geometry makes it feel very spacious for me. The 2 vestibules are actually quite useful too, pack on one side and cooking on the other. I think you need to give it a go Justin. 4 pegs and 2 trekking poles takes less than 5 mins to set up.
I've used lots of two trekking pole tents. They just aren't for me most of the time when travelling solo. I can definitely see the benefits for some people.
I appreciate you sharing your experience and being civil with your comment.
Knocking a tent that you haven't used is really lame.
The zero pump fully inflates my tensor all-season, guess I got lucky.
Same here. Lol. It weighs the same if not less than the pump sack.
Same. I have both the Zero Pump and the Tiny Pump. Both seemingly inflate to the same (perceived) pressure. Regardless, I have to top off with my breath with either pump. The main PRO for me with the Zero pump is that it truly connects to the valve so I don’t have to squat there holding the pump in place. Worth it to get the Zero pump to me. 100%
same, the advantage is the zero inflates more pads than the X2. like the x2 won't inflate neoairs..... Also even if it doesn't get fully inflated I don't sleep on a fully inflated pad..... who does? ok i know people do.....
Hmm this is interesting! Maybe just a matter of preference as far as how inflated one likes their pad? I'm happy with my og tiny pump. Was thinking of upgrading mainly because the zero is so much quieter... But I think I'll wait for the next version. Not sure they've perfected it just yet! I like the lantern function as well.
Same just got my tiny pump today and inflated my tensor 100%
Xmid 1 is great, for its price it is punching way above its weight class IMO. I feel like it is unfair to “review” gear and tell people to avoid when you don’t even have it yourself.
My wife sleeps cold as ice.She uses the Big Agnes Rapide SL and she slept on it snug as a bug with a budget quilt and that pad at around 35 degrees. Id say it performed better than advertised.
Was it the new release Rapide?
3 family members all have the SLI. No issues in freezing conditions. Just don’t believe what is said in the video. Unless he gets a thermal camera out etc.
Got 2 Big Agnes Rapide SL's in june 2023. Woke up super cozy high up in the Alps with frost all over the tent. BA + Zenbivy is a great combo. I move alot during my sleep and this system is perfect.
@@eakerz5642 I’ve the same combo. Zenbivy lights with these pads. 3 full sleeping systems and no complaints from anyone. I say again to this dude, provide some substantive evidence of what you say. Makes no sense. To recommend an Exped over a BG SLI is suspicious
I love my little Flextail Zero Pump! I have back problems, so after a long day, it’s nice to just basically set it and forget it while I do other camp chores and I love how small it is.
Definitely some misleading advertising, but even with the battery, it weighs almost exactly the same as my Nemo pump sack and I don’t mind having to add a couple quick breaths to finish it. It actually pumps my Nemo Tensor up exactly how firm I like it and no issues bottoming out, but I do have to add extra breaths into my REI Helix. Honestly, the low PSI is kind of a positive in my eyes because it gets it just about there without over inflating my pad if I turn away too long. Lol
Great video as usual, Justin! Your insight is always appreciated! 🤙🏼
I too have lower disc problems. And when the pain is at its worst, I cant even talk loudly without being in pain. So that pump is a god send lol
Hey Justin.
I had the same thought about the x-mid 1 pro. But the two vestibules makes a lot of sense to me. First off, no matter which way you pitch it, you’ll aleats have the door in the “right” direction. Second, personally i use one vestibule for my backpack, shoes etc. And gerting in and out, the other vestibule i use for peeing in the night when it’s too cold for getting out of the bag or quilt 😂
Greeting s from scandinavia😊
Yep, pee vestibule is amazing! Also love that I can open up both doors for airflow when it's hot and humid
Flextail zero has been amazing for me. Regardless of the pump chosen, you need to add a couple breaths at the end; that's perfectly normal.
I made a comment about this earlier but now that I'm thinking about it more, I wonder if that's by design? So that it doesn't over-inflate and potentially pop/damage your pad?
@@zakafxno it’s not by design. Well, actually it is. It’s because the fan/pump design has physical limitations. You need multi stage compressor pumps to achieve more than 0.6psi. Similar to how a jet engine works. That’s how the pumps used to blow out the lines in a pool work. Lower volume, high pressure. Higher volume, lower pressure.
I love my two vestibules on my xmid! Plenty of room to fan out my gear. Let my shoes and clothes air out in one, put my backpack in the other. Tons of airflow when they’re both open, and keeps the sleeping area free of clutter! Blasphemy!
X-Mid 1 is a great tent only downside is it can't be setup with just 1 pole.
Pump zero has one marvellous feature. It is a brilliant fire stoker. I went out after a few days of wet weather, and it made getting a fire to catch a lot easier.
I love the zero pump. I used it a few times on my winter pad and summer pad. No inflation issues. I can also blow up my pad several times on multiple trips so I have never needed to change it in the field so charging is a non issue.
The problem with the embedded battery for the Flextail is that when that built in battery dies, that's it. No more pump. With the Zero, when the battery dies, you can just get a new one.
most rechargeable batteries last about 500 recharge cycles or more :) depending on mat size - you get some 5-10 inflations from a tiny pump x - so about some 2500-5000 nights of inflating pads.... i dont know too many who uses their mats and pumps that much....
There are flashlights out there, which have an exchangeable battery AND the charging port on the outside. They could do that for this pump just as well
@@Simon-os2ez very true - lots of design choices i dont understand for the zero pump
What temu tent would you suggest 🤔
Thank you! I bought the Zero Pump based on the hype. Sounded great! I was very disappointed when I got it. May as well just use the pump sack. And yet I keep seeing these videos pop up that say how great it is. I have no clue what they're talking about.
mega agreed!
The Zero Pump inflated perfectly with the Nemo Extreme pad. However, the OneTigris Obsidian struggled to reach full inflation, only around 80%. Had to give it some extra air with the sack
From the title I already knew you'd go off about the BA Rapide SL again... Anyway, so far I'm very happy with mine, and it's not the first time our opinions differ completely (I find the Trekology pillow uncomfortable and of cheap quality).
Absolutely agree about the Flextail Zero and I’m glad someone finally said something because it was driving me up the wall.
However, saying the X-Mid 1 setup is “complex” is ridiculous.
I just got a Garmin InReach Messenger on sale and really looking forward to using it. Thanks for all your reviews! What do you use to carry the Messenger on your pack since it doesn’t come with a carabiner like the Mini 2.
I have the messenger and it's everything I need from a satellite communicator. I was torn at first between it and the mini, but very glad I went with the messenger. I keep mine in the center mesh pocket.
I have a pair of leggings with a detachable zippered pocket that I can keep my messenger in. The other options I use are my ultralight fanny pack or the stuff sack from my friend's Toaks pot, which I have attached to the shoulder strap of my backpack. I definitely prefer to keep it with me if I don't have my backpack on. They do make a lanyard attachment for the messenger, but I don't know how durable the thinner cord on it is.
Just got the new NEMO Tensor All-Season and hoping it can live up to the warmth and comfort. They finally changed the bottom material to 40-denier so it should hopefully be less prone to leaks.
All depends about the airproof plastic/rubber layer inside. They don't really talk about the different materials and thicknesses of the membrane.
I've only tried my Zero Pump at home, and have inflated my Nemo Quasar Insulated long/ wide, my son's Tensor insulated long/ wide and my daughter's BA Rapide SL. Honestly, it seems ideal so far. I like my pad fairly firm, and laid on both it and the Tensor on the floor. It seems perfect, where they are a bit overinflated, allowing to fine tune by dumping air until it's right. I'll be curious to see if a bit of a low charge on the battery has any effect on performance.
For warm weather in the tropics the two doors work amazingly at maximizing ventilation and reducing condensation to the minimum.
Do you find the Messenger any quicker at sending messages than the Mini does? My mini seems to have trouble sending in a reasonable amount of time which ends up eating battery...
Same internals as far as acquiring satellite connections assuming you mean the Mini 2.
Thx Justin, appreciate your videos. Regarding the pump. I have the Tiny Pump 2 and found that the adapter options don't fit well (too loose) against my REI Helix pad and requires it to be held during pumping. I heard someone/somewhere talk about putting electrical tape around the Tiny Pump adapter; this was a quick easy fix. I can now walk away from it and it stays in place. This same adapter happens to also work for the old NEMO Tensor as well, which my wife uses. I hear the Flextail has improved adapters that fit snuggly. And I agree with you; I appreciate the light and the built in charging port and won't be spending $50+ to save less than 2oz...now maybe if I was doing a thru hike 🤔
I only recently discovered your channel or at least subscribed to it. I really enjoy your videos and think they are some of the best out there. I do have to disagree with you on the Motorola Defy. Your basing your comments on year old news and the currents system has been working flawlessly ever since. I have been backpacking for 47 years and have never carried a satellite beacon or felt the need for it, including my 2017AT thru hike. But since I am getting up in age and hike alone I wanted something for just in case. You can buy the things for under $100 and it can do everything a $400 one can, just not as easily I assume. Great for us mere mortals on a budget.
You should review movies you haven’t seen too.
Sort your end screen out 😉
Yup. I found the Rapide SL was cold in september at +7°C so I sent it back. Not good for a 4.8 pad
I am glad i didn't buy one of these..when i was looking for one they were sold out thankfully.
So you mean the old version? Because AFAIK the new one had not yet been released in September.
@@jorisev it was definitely the new version
I share your views about a mattress pump. It takes 3 times less than those expensive gadgets to inflate my Nemo with the provided bag. When I go out it’s to escape the noise of the city I live in. This is also why I bring a Trangia alcohol cooking stove…no noise at all.😊
I don't know how you can recommend avoiding this pump. I don't have any issues with it. It pumps my Thermarest Xlite NXT Max in 1:40 minutes and in contrast to your statement I need to deflate it a bit, because it's too hard to sleep on it.
It's much lighter and much quieter than the previous model.
So I can highly recommend it!
I find a fully inflated pad too firm; for me the Flextail zero pump is perfect for what I need. The battery removal is a small downside. I have the old Flextail tiny pump and the new Flextail zero pump and I think they both have their purposes but I prefer the smaller lighter pump for backpacking.
As for the first point, I didn’t get one to necessarily get the full inflate, I got it because I’m lazy. I do t mind a breath or two to get the perfect PSI
Thanks for the reviews Justin. You're down on the dual vestibule/dual door dyneema tents. But don't you think those features greatly improve the condensation problem or not much, especially on a trail like the AT? I'm trying to choose a tent for my future AT thru hike. Thanks again.
It really depends on the conditions. I find that when condensation is a big issue, it is usually cold at night or raining and I want to avoid having my doors wide open in order to avoid getting wet or cold from wind. Maybe having a really wind proof eeping bag or quilt would help with this. Condensation is usually really bad in 3 season conditions when it comes from sources that aren't you, in my experience, which means you need wind to make the double door system effective.
I have a foreceatte tent and it’s a two person tent it’s really good high quality
Wow, I like my zero pump. I use an extra breath even when using a bag as well as other pumps. I love the size. I have the tiny pump but it was too bulky for my liking.
My only complaint with the FT zero is that it doesn't have a lock feature so you can't accidentally turn it on when packing it away.
Great video, love the insights and the focus on simplicity.
Complaining about Zero pump noise and claiming that 2x is better not adding that is twice as noisy is not really objective don't You think? I dont know about your matress and inflation bag, but Zero Pump is lighter than bag in my case and somehow i dont have any problem with fully inflate my matress 24 times on one batery. Making statments what to avoid about gear you are not even using is just not reasonable at all.
The pumpsack from my NXT leaks so much air through the fabric / seams, that's crazy for a 200$ product :(
Agree on the offset, those struts that you must insert into a tiny pieces of fabric just feels like a band-aid solution... I'm sure there is a more elegant and practical way to do that.
Two doors are useful to allow for a breeze to go through
The X-Men one in the pro one are the perfect size for an actual ultralight backpacker have two poles and four steaks unlike the Plex solo one oddly place and then 798,000 steaks and provides little headroom unless you’re sitting
I have the flextail zero pump it pumps up my nemo tensor up amazing I love it and I have the xmid tent one of the most popular tents pretty much everyone I have seen loves them so to say they are overrated is crazy with you not even using it maybe say gear you think is overrated
I'm pretty sure I say right in the beginning that this is what I think and isn't the "be all end all" when it comes to this gear?
@JustinOutdoors well maybe don't use clickbait video titles I can already tell you have changed it so you know you messed up sort the channel out mate your starting to slip
I have gone through 2 zero pumps and neither have worked. The first one the start button kept falling out, the second one it would pump up my mattress halfway and just stop.
Foxtel zero pump: yeah I bought a couple of those and was really disappointed, particularly. I think they just plain lied about the weight. You can’t use the pump without a battery! Yeesh.
Agreed on the Tiny Pump. It’s weak and cheap, thin like a beer can.
The best feature it offers is a reminder that UA-camrs will hawk anything they get for free if it gets them a few bucks.
That zero pump is for thruhikers and worth the couple ounces to save blowing up a pad 180 times on a thru.
I just recieved my Rapide today 🥺
If everyone ditches the Motorola Defy Satellite Link, then yeah, of course business will go down. If you have it, use it. The satellite will stay on its orbit and as long as the software side is up and running, then there should be no problem. It's quite affordable compared to Garmin etc. so I will keep on using this system as long as it stays up and running.
Im so disappointed in the flextail zero. Its annoyingly loud and so embarrassing when at a quiet campsite and i had to run it for a long time to not even fully inflate my sleeping pad. I mainly got it to help deflate and it didn't even do that.
Don't blow up your sleep pad with breaths because you are putting moisture into it that will cause mildew and leads to rot
Do not agree on the zero pump. That thing is awesome. It weighs LESS than the stuff/pump sack for my Etherlite XT (with the battery), and inflates it to 98% in about a minute. It only takes one or two breaths get it to full inflation, but I find it more comfortable at slightly less than fully inflated.
Sold Xmid 1 pro after a summer of use for the reasons mentioned by Justin plus unnecessary large footprint. Bought piramide shelter from Bonfus that i also find more stormworthy
I thought it was only me dealing with flextail
Justin... seriously? I have the flex tail tiny pump zero and it inflates my Nemo Tensor All Season just fine. It inflates my mother's Zenbivy Light Mattress as well. It doesn't matter which pump you take you always have to put in one or two breaths to really firm it up. I had to do that with the earlier versions of the X and X2. Literally no difference other than the earlier two aren't as easy to store and are heavier.
And come on man... You can't tell people you don't like a tent or not to use a tent when you yourself have never used it!!! That's basic reviewing man. Come on. The Temu video and now this? You're slipping buddy. SMH.
Ya. Seriously. Crazy how someone can share their experience or preferences and it be different than yours. I stand by everything I said in this video. If it's not your style, then unsubscribe.
@@JustinOutdoorsyou're doing fine 😎 imagine in 2024 you can't have your own opinion on things eh? Cheers mang!
@@JustinOutdoors well said. Unsubscribed.
@@tarawaukeri8928insane that he can't debate the merits of his reviewing process and instead says to unsubscribe. Like you, I just did that too. Plenty of other channels with objective (and not subjective) reviews.
Pretty wild that people will watch a video titled ... "gear I avoid" and act offended when you subjectively don't like their favorite widget. Keep up the excellent work - you're good at making informative, easy to watch videos.
Folks should understand by now that in the UA-cam economy, most of your videos will be sponsored but that doesn't automatically invalidate your opinions, reasons, or experience. It's up to the viewer to make the most informed choice they can based on information they've gathered from more than one source.
the biggest advantage of the zero is it will inflate neoairs, (twin lock, winglock) and many other that the x2 won't.... plus for those of us who like under inflated pads.... no big deal or just add a breath... better than 20.....
The X2 will inflate those other pads. I am pretty sure I have b-roll showing it inflating an xtherm winglock valve in the video.
The insanity of even carrying a powered inflation device dumbfounds me.... all of the miles of hiking that you did to get to your camp....AND you were on your very last breath: and that's putting you over the edge? Lol
😂😂😂 (I agree with you)
For taller hikers the Offset Solo has tons of foot and headroom as does the Tarptent Dipole 1. These two beat any other offering out there including Xmid.
Was going to add the Zero Pump to my new gear list but I am going to remove it now.
You should put it back on the list… Lol Even with battery, it still weighs almost exactly the same as the Nemo pump sack. I love it and it fully inflates my Nemo Tensor with no issues bottoming out.
I agree. Flextail Zero is great.
It's a hype device for sure. I purchased it, tested it out and found the same issue Justin did (psi output, have to fill pad with mouth a couple of time after). I'll be sticking with the pump sack that came with the Uberlite.
Anyone that says "but I can do other camp chores while my pad is inflating", ask yourself: what's the rush?
@@zakafx It’s not about wanting to get it done in a rush. I have back issues and this actually helps a lot. Regardless, why spend extra time inflating a pad when you can use that time to enjoy nature a bit more. I don’t go backpacking because I enjoy inflating sleeping pads Lol
My pump inflates my Nemo Tensor perfectly and weights almost exactly the same as the pump sack even with the battery.
Flextail Zero FTW!
@@ManivanAdventures I have already enjoyed nature enough by backpacking 7-8 hours a day depending on how much distance I wanted to cover. Blowing up my pad with a pump sack is not going to take away any more precious minutes consuming the nature around me, so to me that argument is invalid.
However, I didn't take into consideration that there are people with back problems who rely on such devices. To play Devil's advocate, I mean I wouldn't want to hurt my back anymore carrying a backpack anyways while walking in the woods for several hours, climbing etc., but everyone wants to enjoy/live the experience of a backpacker.
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I dont know why anyone bothers with pumps, the noise for one just spoils the ambience , they need charging and most pump sacks can be used as storage bags too......i guess the guys who use pumps are the types that use viagra for when they are pumping the Mrs 🤔
Canister stoves (most stoves!) are noisy too. Do you always cold-soak? The Flextail Zero is a luxury item, certainly, but I find that it will inflate any pad I own in under two minutes -- less time than it takes to boil a quart of water.
I have the Xmid 1. This tent is great. Telling people to avoid very popular gear you've never used is wild to me.
The only downside to the Xmid 1 is it can't be setup with just 1 trekking pole. If there is a tree you can tie up the other peak though. Otherwise great tent, one of the best.
I have Xmid 2p and a rapide SL, I have never slept better outside, admittedly it was warm so I didn’t have to worry if the pad was cold or not, but I didn’t have issues with the tent and my hips weren’t in the dirt like my other pads, so for me I’m more than happy with them
Welcome to the world of youtube deception, brother!
@@terrypanama8004if that's the only thing you can suggest in your initial reply as a selling point for the X-mid, I'd hate to imagine the bias you have about tents that require 6 stakes (typical durston cultist response).
He explained why he hasn’t used it, and his reasons are what they are. The tent doesn’t fit Justin’s criteria for an ultralight single-person tent. He’s pretty straightforward about it in the video.
Gonna have to disagree, Justin. I’m loving the Durston XMid 1p tent. Being able to have the spacious two vestibules in the summer is great, but the cherry on top for me is the ability to remove the inner and have a 490g, floorless, spacious, sil-poly, winter shelter for less than $250.
That's the only thing that is appealing to me in regards to the original X-mid. Where I live, this would be great to use in cooler/non-buggy months (using only the outer fly).
Great points and reasons the tent works well for you. Thanks for sharing!
How can you judge a product you never used before 🥴
I agree the weight of the flextail is dumb because it doesnt include the battery (or pad adapter), but I disagree with the rest. It fully inflates my Xtherm no problem and the battery lasts me forever
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Off on the Durston X-mid tents.
Really some of the easiest tents to pitch ever for trekking pole tents and not complex at all. Stake four corners insert your poles, extend/lock, and adjust. (I use stakes for doors also).
I wouldn't disparage this tent for "complexity" until you try it.
I can appreciate you sharing your own opinion BUT I think it’s unfortunate for an “influencer” to disparage a piece of gear that you’ve never even tried before. It’s the same thing as promoting gear that you’ve never tried. Untrustworthy. Certainly doesn’t add any value to the conversation to be spouting opinions without any experience with the product.
And yes, I own an XMid 1p and love it.
7:00 Would you want a side entry one person tent with one door and one vestibule or would it be a front entry tent? I've had tents in the past with front entry and I don't like crawling through them to get to things. I don't think I would like a side entry single person single door/vestibule tent. On paper, it sounds okay, but I like having two doors and two places to put gear. Makes it more spacious and I think it probably makes the airflow better.
Side entry is the only way to go for me.
I think the Zero Pump is pretty good, even if it does not 100% inflate the mattress (mine does just fine), because topping out the last bit is simple and I can replace the battery on it/carry spare batteries for it. I strongly dislike products that do not have replaceable batteries as the product generally has to be thrown out in a couple of years once the battery wears out. I do wish they had used better aluminum in the Zero, as the threads are very gritty and will get worse with time due to wear. I suggest lubricating them with beeswax or similar to reduce thread wear. I also do not like those x in one products as they usually are substandard in all tasks.
Spot on with the Flextail, but way off target with the Xmid 1. It is excellent, and two doors and porches are exactly what I need. I have the Solid version and it is warm for winter in the UK. A brilliant tent.
Charging port built into the device means once the battery dies the whole device is trash. I actually appreciate the design.
You can still have a removable battery my guy
Honestly though you could probably use a dremel and usb-c extension adapter that’s a female to male and just make the battery port externally accessible although that would make it less water resistant
There are flashlights out there, which have an exchangeable battery AND the charging port on the outside. They could do that for this pump just as well
Actually partly incorrect on the rapide sl. I emailed big agnes about the insulation and they said 1 layer sits on the bottom but the second later is suspended in the middle. You may have assumed that since the zoom ul does all sit on the bottom. They did confirm this.
When I shine the light through, there isnt a suspended layer. It looks just like the zoom UL. In other pads, where it is suspended, I can see the suspended film.
@JustinOutdoors ha. Interesting. They straight up lied to me then. They specifically said that the zoom ul was built this way but for the rapide sl had 1 sheet on bottom and one suspended in the middle. Happy to forward the email to you if you like.
@@JustinOutdoors I just bought one and held light up to it. I was ready to take advantage of the rei warranty. Lol. I can confirm that one of the mylar films is indeed suspended halfway in the middle of the pad.
lol wild, dudes never used the gear he's recommending against. talk about faffin around.
Lost a lot of credibility with this video.
At least I didn't lose all credibility
@williamyoung3121 you mean that your opinion differs from his? That's totally fine! Doesn't make Justin "LoSe cRedIBilIty" lol lighten up.
Wow...someome agrees with me about the Flextail Zero. It really doesn't work for me. I got so much crap for saying this in my review.
It bothers me that you keep saying “real world tests show that this pad sleeps much colder than advertised” about the Rapide SL. That is not a matter of fact statement whatsoever. I was so confused, bc I’ve used mine down to well below freezing and have been fine. So I wondered where you got that opinion from. After looking about online, it seems that you took that opinion from the 4 average reviews of the pad on REI’s website that echoed the sentiment. That’s all I could find. Reviews are great on the BA website, and almost no blogger who has written about it complains of that problem. You don’t even speak on your opinion in the manner of having experience sleeping on it. You just keep saying “real world tests” which doesn’t mean much unless elaborated on.
I came to that conclusion by testing the pad for over 10 nights on trail in a variety of conditions where I tracked air and ground temperature, including A-B testing the pad with two other pads that have a similar r-value. When looking at blogger reviews, keep in mind the dates. I just did a quick search and didn't find any written reviews of the newest release of the Rapide. Even some of the reviews on REI's listing of the pad (which is the newest version) are for the previous version of the pad (i.e., "I've had this pad for over a year now").
Thanks for the comment, I will try to be more explicit with what sort of testing I have done.
@@JustinOutdoors fair enough, thanks for the reply. I’d be interested to see how the old and new model compare. I do have the older model, so maybe I’ll use my pro deal to buy the new one and try it haha. I’ll report back if I find anything different than what you experienced
During my overnight shakedown, I used that pump and experienced the same issue. I'm going back to the Tensor inflation bag.
Looks like Zpacks got their design for the offset from the Six Moon Designs Haven. It's basically a DCF Haven lol
Nah i think it works great!
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
@@JustinOutdoors yeah man I actually tested it on the last video. Could be your battery mine blow up a long and Wide pad like nobody businesses
Nah on pump. One more thing to worry about.
I agree that the zero pump isn’t with the hype. I have to top it off with a few breaths to get my mattress firm enough. It’s also a horrible color, easy to drop/lose at night and you can’t read any of the engraving on it.
I’ve found the Zero Pump inflates exactly to my comfort level with my sleeping pad. I don’t ever fully inflate so that’s not an issue. Additionally, the removable/recharging battery is an advantage from my experience in that all these rechargeable battery devices are going to fail at some point so being able just get a new battery instead of replace the whole device is going to be helpful. Also, as better batteries are developed that have more power in the same form factor may up the PSI capabilities for the zero pump.
Great stuff - especially on the air pump advice.
You had me up till knocking dual vestibule solo tents. It was so difficult actually finding a symmetrical, dual vestibule, 1 p tent. I actually think only cottage brands are the ones offering these, and I'm so glad they do. It's so great having my stuff in 1 and going in and out from the other. Also, the symmetrical design makes it so that I don't have to decide between views or sleeping with my head upslope.
But if weight and complexity are the only considerations for someone, what you propose is spot on - especially with the Z Packs tent. That pole looks annoying lol!
Oh, and the sustainability of user replaceable, rechargeable batteries is awesome! If they could figure out how to make it a pass-through charge so the batteries could still be replaced, I think that's a win-win.
Late comment but I'd kind of like your opinion. I use backpacking gear for airplane camping (obviously), but my new BA Rapide SL double hurts my back when it's fully inflated. This is not a question about the pad or it's insulation, but that pump! Would it be better for me since I don't want it fully inflated anyway? Also, it can take CR123a non rechargeable batteries as well.
Ha ha Justin, enjoy your channel but disagree with you about the zero pump, the rapide sl and the xmid - I hate rock hard pads so always empty some out. However on the flip side a pump sack is not going fail as easily but I love that I just start the zero and walk away especially after a long day.
I love the rapide sl but I’m not a winter camper it’s really comfortable, keeps me warm and I sleep cold. Love the xmid 2 person dynema, lightweight super easy to pitch and really functional 😂😂 each to their own - keep up the good work chap
I disagree with the flextail. I think it's still worth it. Do I need to top it off? Yup. But I sleep on a 72x30 big agnes. Blowing that sucker up with a bag or by mouth is a major PITA. Once I went with a pump I'd never go back.
The battery is great. Who care that it's 3 pieces. You don't open it up unless you are recharging (which you can do with a power pack that many of us carry anyway for our phones/camera). I'll ALWAYS take having an easily replaceable battery over a device that has a non-swap-able battery.
I still recommend the flextail personally.
I *just* ordered the Flex Pump Zero. It’s not here yet so I can’t comment, but my plan is for it to replace my Thermarest pump. That one takes a very long time to inflate, does not utilize a rechargeable battery, and doesn’t even come close to completely filling my pad, so my hope is that it’s an upgrade. I also just ordered the Altaplex tent so that I’ll have some room in my solo UL tent. Here’s hoping that works out as well.
Let’s talk tents! MSR Hubba Hubba is the Goat of tents and I’ll die on that hill. And I own a zpacks and a Hilleberg Soulo, BA tiger wall 2 and copper spur. Hands down the Hubba Hubba for the money is the best.
Justin, I've followed you for a while and I really enjoy your content - despite the Canadian accent! (JK!) However, it's a bit of a disappointment that you would be knocking something that you haven't tried. I could look at something and think, "That may not be for me." If I were a content creator, I might avoid knocking something I haven't used. I have an XMid tent and I love it.
7:20 two doors offers far more in flexibility than you would you would notice in weight gain. Thats just me.
I does the job for a exped 3r MW. I am 80kg & 173cm tall. It would not fully inflate exped 5r LW. For the smaller & lighter pads it does the job
You should really give the Durston X-Mid Pro 1 a shot. So easy to pitch, and the doubles vestibules is part of what makes it so easy to pitch using 2 trekking poles. There's no fluff to it, its my favorite 1 person tent I've used because of its simplicity, ease of use, and very spacious for such a lightweight 1-person tent.
I love the Xmid 1 pro ( and solid version)
, the weight astounds me and its taken a hammering in Scotland time and again, i have no isse pitching although i throw stuff up and as ling its its standing im fine with it lol but the vestibule is wasted on me really and id prefer stuff inside with me but hey ho i dont care that much :-)... I got that pump back in Sept/Oct , i was using and loving the flextail 2pro ( think its called that) but after testing it i wont take it out, ive nemo, big agnes, and S2S mats and it doesn't fill them like the other pump does, maybe if i hadnt used the other pump id have loved it but i dont trust it and im sticking with the heavier pump and light :-)
Good video. The backpacking, hiking, and camping industry are so prone to fads and hype that the best thing to do is be behind the curve.
When I did part of the AT this year I took this pump and it only worked two days. I left my inflation sack at home to safe weight and was screwed.
I make adapters for the tiny pump to use handsfree with other pads or with a pocket bellows. Let me know if you'd like to try them!
He obviously hasn't used an Xmid 1p if he thinks it's complex to set up.
I have the Tiny pump X2, but I have noticed in at home testing, the battery will selfe discharge to 0 in a day or so. It just can not hold a charge at all. I haven't found anything that says this is normal, but it has turned me off on any of these tiny pumps.
You should probably just contact them, it sounds like you got a defective one. The fact that you've researched it and not been able to find anyone saying the same should tell you that it's yours that's defective. I certainly do not have that problem.
Thx for the videos Justin Indoors!
and then you have the tiny pump x 2024... 1.66oz (lighter then the zero pump with battery) it has a bigger battery, pumps up to 0.58 psi - and has a build in light ... and costs half ... tell me again any reason to buy the zero pump? :D