Another great video from Guy! Thank you! Very informative. Love what Hornady is doing for us. Even with all the naysayers, im glad to see new product lines and applications for "tools" we may already own and have forgotten or ended up in the back of the safe.
Sold my 45-70 while back and replaced it with at 300PRC. Just wasn't a fan of the loopy trajectory with that 45. Can only imagine what loading it with a subsonic charge would do, guess it would be ok if you are hunting over a bait or feed pile at a known / set distance. Thanks for the video!
Ya, I've always seen my 45-70 lever actions as a shorter range rifle. That's fine with me, I've got other rifles for longer ranges. I know that the 45-70 can and has been used at long range. Like you though, I prefer something with a flatter trajectory for longish range shooting.
5744 - it is a double base powder, so it is temperature sensitive. First shot was from a cold chamber, so the velocity was lower. Vihtavuori N32C looks like Trail Boss partial substitute, yet they do not endorse reduced loads with it, so some Quick Load or GRT simulations are needed. Yet it may be worth it, slow burning rifle powders like 5744 or H4895 require bigger charge weights, producing more recoil and barrel / can fouling.
Need to look at drop across different distances. The biggest drawback of hunting subsonic in my opinion. Lobbing them out there you end up with significant drop over minimal distance changes. Maximum Point Blank Range is out the window.
The difference is the set back of the wood setup that moved 8" to 9" during the testing, if you would have it fastened down you might have gotten more penetration. Nice testing too bad we don't have the old wet phone book tests any more! It would show total cavity including temporary cavity. Too bad they don't make phone books any more!
I noticed that as well. I am learning about these boxes. Those were my first two shots into it. I think things will get better. If we elect to do more of these. If not, it's just one more cool thing hanging around in my garage.
Talking to Hornady while researching the bullet, they specifically intended it for medium game such as deer, wild hogs and even black bear. Hornady makes other 45-70 bullets that are intended for bigger game such as elk. The 410 gr Sub-X isn't going to bounce off bigger game, but they do make other bullets for that purpose.
I enjoy your 45/70 reloading videos. I see that you loaded 34gr IMR4895 & only got 868 ft/sec. Just wondering why you didn't try stepping up the load a little (maybe to 36gr) to get to 1000 ft/sec ? I load 45/70 with 46gr IMR4895 & get ~1500 ft/sec, so 36gr should not cause load problems. Granted I'm using a 405gr bullet vs your 410gr.
In this case, to keep things simple, I just used the recommended loads. It was interesting that there was no minimum and maximum load recommended in the Hodgdon data, just a single load per powder. Thought I'd try the recommended load and see what I got. It's obviously different from Hodgdon's published velocity. I would have no problem with nudging this load up a bit as you suggest.
Neighborhood pesty varmit needed to leave .enter 86. Hollowpoint factory trapdoor load. ( dont advise for hunting.) Dispatched varmit leaving 18 inch clearing out opposite side. Not usable🦬🐎
This was painful to watch, trying not to say anything bad about a major brand's sponsored product. The Sub-X performed poorly as far as opening up. We saw this on the 300BO version way back when also. The shift to "it will do subs and super" expansion is just a marketing gimmick to account for it's poor sub performance.
Pine boards do not simulate animal tissue and they did state that around the 13:30 mark. It would be more telling for them to redo the bullet testing on ballistic gel as that would more closely emulate (but not duplicate) the hydraulic force that organic tissue would exert on the hollow point vs the pine boards. I would not deem this a failure for the bullet in the least. Inconclusive would be more appropriate. I can tell you from experience that a subsonic 45cal hollow point retrieved from an old pine stump and that same exact hollow point from the same loading retrieved from a white tail deer performed completely differently. The bullet from the white tail performing/expanding exactly as advertised and the bullet from the stump barely deforming besides a flattened nose profile.
Indeed, im not a close range hunter (or long rang) but i prefer to have good capabilities beyond 300yrds ,that being said the last hunting trip i was on netted 12 deer among 6 people all recovered except for 1, shot with the hornady subx at 60yrds note the other 11 were all shot at 200yrds plus. And yes we did find a trail but after 3 hrs of searching with over a dozen people we gave up
I can't speak to the 45 70 performance. But I did a cva scout build this year. 450 bushmaster. Chopped to 16 and threaded. Bdx scope setup for drop adjustment when ranged. Killed 4 deer with it this year using just the hornady sub x bullets. Only recovered 1 bullet. The shot was at 180 yards and was a quartering away shot. Entered at the backish ribs stopped in the skin of the neck. Mushroomed quite nicely. Dude dropped in his tracks. So as long as you put it where it needs to go it will do the job. We forget what guns they were using 100 years ago to hunt with and the velocity they had.
@awsomedude12345678 you have to remember that this bullet specifically isn't designed for long range at all it's more designed for max 150 and less especially if you are running it on the slower side. That being said if you use the right bullet and a marlin or Ruger you can hot rod the 45-70 and easily have a 300yd rifle without shooting a rainbow like the old black powder days
Well then, load this 410 gr Hornady up to 1500 - 1600 fps for your 45-70 and have fun. It's intended to work well at those more normal 45-70 hunting velocities too - which is why I loaded it to that as well.
Oddly, I don't think a 45 ACP is going to shove a 410 gr bullet at 1,000 fps... ;) Think handgun-hunting distances. I think this bullet is going to prove itself just fine on hogs & deer at modest range. Black bear too. And, pump it up to 1500 - 1600 fps... Then it's right up there where many guys hunt with the 45-70 anyway. You may know that I normally hunt with rifles that do above 3,000 fps, but I do understand and appreciate the big bore, heavy, slow bullet as well.
@@guyminer3168 Weight of the bullet doesn’t mean all that much in this use case. It would penetrate a little more, that’s about it. Permanent wound cavity will be the same. The reason you use a rifle to hunt with is velocity. ~2000fps impact velocity with a decent bullet is what produces remote wounding. Less than around 2000fps impact velocity and you get ice pick wound channels.
Hey just pointing out that i just ran these numbers with a perfect 1028fps this bullet will drop below 900fps at 200yrds in fact it will have only 950fps at 100yrds in other words this bullet is only effective under 100yrds ,seems to me that using a lead solid would be much more cost effective and more effective
@WayStedYou hornady has lots of great products but i avoid buying them because they are a marketing first company, in other words if they can decieve me in order for me to buy then they will lie.
I’ve been interested in this bullet since George at Target Suite got really good results. I have to figure that a cast bullet at a 7-8 BHN wouldn’t perform just as well at the lower velocities.
The whole box moved with the high velocity load, so that would take up some of the energy of the bullet strike. The low velocity load didn't shift the box, so maybe try again but anchor the box first. You might have got another broken board with the box anchored.
Hey, I have the newer Ruger made Marlin 45-70, 19.1" barrel, with a SilencerCo Hybrid 46 suppressor and a Burris 2-7 BDC scout scope. The cool and really useful thing is that the Hornady FTX 325gr is zeroed at 100 yards and the third BDC down in the Burris reticle is also zeroed at 100 yards for the Hornady Sub-X 410gr. I have not started reloading them yet but I do have all of the components. However I recently picked up the Burris Eliminator IV laser scope and think I may experiment with it a bit on my set up to stretch out the 325 gr since we just clear cut some of our hunting property and now have longer ranges to take white tail deer in our plots.
Excellent. I was really impressed with the factory Hornady 325 gr FTX ammo when we tested it a couple of months ago. Very tight extreme spread and SD numbers.
Exactly the setup I used to run, rifle, scope, and ammo. That thing shoots sub MOA with the 325Gr hornady's... its too tempting to use them as your goto ammo but trust me after shooting 2 large black bears with it under 40 yards that bullet will grenade and you will not get the pass through you need, ESPECIALLY if you shoot front shoulder like most of the guides up here will advise you do. Stick with the heavy Remington Core-Lokt unless you are using the rifle exclusively for deer.
@@foonus406 Yeah, I am in the southeast and white tall deer and hogs are all that I will be able to hunt with this set up. For the last 10 years I have gone to neck shots on all of my deer. I weigh all of my deer before I process them and after it is processed. I have noticed that since I have switch a neck shot, the deer drops in its tracks every time and I get more meat out of it.
that trail boss aint ever coming back my friend, im a new reloader whos been waiting for it for over 2 years im done thinking about it, its a shame such a cool versatile powder is gone now
The sub-x bullets simple don't expand like they should. Which makes me wonder why they didnt do a gel test. Minimal expansion in gel AND on game. If we could only get the sub-x to work as good Hornady's marketing , we'd have a winner!
I just got done loading some 45-70 with the 325 grain FTX. They shoot very well out of my old New England Firearms Handy rifle. I do have one question. What is the thread pitch on that Henry rifle. I have been thinking of threading my Handy rifle to put a muzzle break on it.
The Henry Model X has a 1:20 twist barrel. We have an article and video dedicated just to that rifle. We shot the factory 325 gr FTX ammo as well as some factory loaded 410 grain subsonic Hornady ammo. The 325 ammo in particular had amazingly tight extreme spread and standard deviation velocity figures. Links don't work well here in the comments section so just search UA-cam for our videos or go to the Ultimate Reloader website for both the article and the video.
I have the same rifle in 444 and use factory Normandy 265 gr ftx rounds. It kicks like a mule, but very accurate. That rifle has shot everything accurate thru it, including Steinel 300 gr xtp loads. Those loads are painful on both ends!
@currituck my rifle is the same. It has shot everything very well. The 325 FTX are the first hand loads I have put through it. Six shots with that load is all I could handle.
Ha! I've used the 60mm mortar - a long time ago. Ya, this bullet and cartridge isn't about flat trajectory. Your comment did put a smile on my face, thanks!
I wish I could find some H4198 it’s been impossible. That’s my favorite 45/70 powder. Another great video. Love these videos on the old stand by cartridges.
Nice video! I’m currenly using this bullet at ~1400fps and it’s both accurate and enjoyable to shoot out of a Contender Carbine. I was wondering about the Hornady COL data you present. Initial COL they specified supersonic = 2.490”. I see the subsonic load data you present at 2.547”…could you comment on why they would be different?
Thanks Guy for the video and data points. I need one of those 45-70 suppressor units. The bullet id like to try is my Lyman Gould mould. Basically an 330'ish grain cast hollow point.
I bought some of these projectiles for reloading. I. Wondering if ill have to shorten my cases to load these? I know the lever evolution cases are shorter, just dont know about these
Push the bullet to 980 fps muzzle velocity and it should stay above minimum expansion velocity (900 fps according to Hornady) until about 130 yards out.
Wait, you’re telling me Hornady released a “subsonic” hunting bullet that only expands down to 900 fps, and their load data only goes down to 1300 fps? I normally like Hornady’s stuff but this needed more R&D before being released.
@@guyminer3168 Regardless, for a bullet that costs almost a dollar a piece, I’m not impressed. Maker’s Bullets solid copper subsonic bullets work VERY well and cost just a little more. Paul will also provide solid load data all of his projectiles. They either need to lower their price or make a better bullet.
Another great video from Guy! Thank you! Very informative. Love what Hornady is doing for us. Even with all the naysayers, im glad to see new product lines and applications for "tools" we may already own and have forgotten or ended up in the back of the safe.
Nice to have you back!
Sold my 45-70 while back and replaced it with at 300PRC. Just wasn't a fan of the loopy trajectory with that 45. Can only imagine what loading it with a subsonic charge would do, guess it would be ok if you are hunting over a bait or feed pile at a known / set distance.
Thanks for the video!
Ya, I've always seen my 45-70 lever actions as a shorter range rifle. That's fine with me, I've got other rifles for longer ranges. I know that the 45-70 can and has been used at long range. Like you though, I prefer something with a flatter trajectory for longish range shooting.
5744 - it is a double base powder, so it is temperature sensitive. First shot was from a cold chamber, so the velocity was lower. Vihtavuori N32C looks like Trail Boss partial substitute, yet they do not endorse reduced loads with it, so some Quick Load or GRT simulations are needed. Yet it may be worth it, slow burning rifle powders like 5744 or H4895 require bigger charge weights, producing more recoil and barrel / can fouling.
Pretty interesting from the perspective of a 45 caliber smokeless muzzleloader shooter. Thanks!
These aren't muzzle loaders
Yeah I know. Yet, same powder 4158. Same Bullet. Can load the muzzleloader exactly the same. Just a lot hotter. 70 grains of 4158. @@jtschwinghammer
Good vid, Guy, but why would I spend the bucks to buy these when the proper cast bullet would do the same job at far less cost?
It'd be great if Hornady would come out with some 458 SOCOM load data for this...
Need to look at drop across different distances. The biggest drawback of hunting subsonic in my opinion. Lobbing them out there you end up with significant drop over minimal distance changes. Maximum Point Blank Range is out the window.
I'm using the sig bdx scopes to make up for this.
I need to try those in my 16" thompson center handgu n
The difference is the set back of the wood setup that moved 8" to 9" during the testing, if you would have it fastened down you might have gotten more penetration. Nice testing too bad we don't have the old wet phone book tests any more! It would show total cavity including temporary cavity. Too bad they don't make phone books any more!
I noticed that as well. I am learning about these boxes. Those were my first two shots into it. I think things will get better. If we elect to do more of these. If not, it's just one more cool thing hanging around in my garage.
@@guyminer3168I definitely hope you do more box texting, it would be sweet if you'd do ballistic gell too
@@jtschwinghammer - we've done a fair bit of ballistic gel testing and I think we're going to continue to do so. This was just a change for us.
Try adding timestamps for when you shoot with audio
I wonder how it would fare against moose and grizzlies? Would this take the velocity and short distance to unusable levels?
Talking to Hornady while researching the bullet, they specifically intended it for medium game such as deer, wild hogs and even black bear. Hornady makes other 45-70 bullets that are intended for bigger game such as elk. The 410 gr Sub-X isn't going to bounce off bigger game, but they do make other bullets for that purpose.
Why would you even consider that? its less energy than a .223
I enjoy your 45/70 reloading videos. I see that you loaded 34gr IMR4895 & only got 868 ft/sec. Just wondering why you didn't try stepping up the load a little (maybe to 36gr) to get to 1000 ft/sec ? I load 45/70 with 46gr IMR4895 & get ~1500 ft/sec, so 36gr should not cause load problems. Granted I'm using a 405gr bullet vs your 410gr.
In this case, to keep things simple, I just used the recommended loads. It was interesting that there was no minimum and maximum load recommended in the Hodgdon data, just a single load per powder. Thought I'd try the recommended load and see what I got. It's obviously different from Hodgdon's published velocity. I would have no problem with nudging this load up a bit as you suggest.
Either way, you'd want to work up several loads and see which one the blaster shoots most accurately.
@@toolman9081 - exactly.
Neighborhood pesty varmit needed to leave .enter 86. Hollowpoint factory trapdoor load. ( dont advise for hunting.) Dispatched varmit leaving 18 inch clearing out opposite side. Not usable🦬🐎
This was painful to watch, trying not to say anything bad about a major brand's sponsored product. The Sub-X performed poorly as far as opening up. We saw this on the 300BO version way back when also. The shift to "it will do subs and super" expansion is just a marketing gimmick to account for it's poor sub performance.
Pine boards do not simulate animal tissue and they did state that around the 13:30 mark. It would be more telling for them to redo the bullet testing on ballistic gel as that would more closely emulate (but not duplicate) the hydraulic force that organic tissue would exert on the hollow point vs the pine boards. I would not deem this a failure for the bullet in the least. Inconclusive would be more appropriate.
I can tell you from experience that a subsonic 45cal hollow point retrieved from an old pine stump and that same exact hollow point from the same loading retrieved from a white tail deer performed completely differently. The bullet from the white tail performing/expanding exactly as advertised and the bullet from the stump barely deforming besides a flattened nose profile.
Indeed, im not a close range hunter (or long rang) but i prefer to have good capabilities beyond 300yrds ,that being said the last hunting trip i was on netted 12 deer among 6 people all recovered except for 1, shot with the hornady subx at 60yrds note the other 11 were all shot at 200yrds plus. And yes we did find a trail but after 3 hrs of searching with over a dozen people we gave up
I can't speak to the 45 70 performance. But I did a cva scout build this year. 450 bushmaster. Chopped to 16 and threaded. Bdx scope setup for drop adjustment when ranged. Killed 4 deer with it this year using just the hornady sub x bullets. Only recovered 1 bullet. The shot was at 180 yards and was a quartering away shot. Entered at the backish ribs stopped in the skin of the neck. Mushroomed quite nicely. Dude dropped in his tracks. So as long as you put it where it needs to go it will do the job. We forget what guns they were using 100 years ago to hunt with and the velocity they had.
@@thatguyfishingben4794great comment!
@awsomedude12345678 you have to remember that this bullet specifically isn't designed for long range at all it's more designed for max 150 and less especially if you are running it on the slower side. That being said if you use the right bullet and a marlin or Ruger you can hot rod the 45-70 and easily have a 300yd rifle without shooting a rainbow like the old black powder days
The words subsonic and hunting when used in the same sentence only apply to rimfires. Anytime else we call it unethical.
Well then, load this 410 gr Hornady up to 1500 - 1600 fps for your 45-70 and have fun. It's intended to work well at those more normal 45-70 hunting velocities too - which is why I loaded it to that as well.
Turn your 45-70 into a 45ACP with this simple trick! Hunting with subs is dumb.
Oddly, I don't think a 45 ACP is going to shove a 410 gr bullet at 1,000 fps... ;) Think handgun-hunting distances. I think this bullet is going to prove itself just fine on hogs & deer at modest range. Black bear too. And, pump it up to 1500 - 1600 fps... Then it's right up there where many guys hunt with the 45-70 anyway. You may know that I normally hunt with rifles that do above 3,000 fps, but I do understand and appreciate the big bore, heavy, slow bullet as well.
@@guyminer3168 Weight of the bullet doesn’t mean all that much in this use case. It would penetrate a little more, that’s about it. Permanent wound cavity will be the same. The reason you use a rifle to hunt with is velocity. ~2000fps impact velocity with a decent bullet is what produces remote wounding. Less than around 2000fps impact velocity and you get ice pick wound channels.
cool more for me
If we're going subsonic, why not heavier comma perhaps approaching 500 grains or even above, depending on what the twist rates dictate ??
Might be a chamber pressure issue..?
A 500 grainer could certainly be handloaded. It's been used in the 45-70.
@@guyminer3168 😲 Holy smokeless!
Lucky I have Trailboss and 12.8 Grains gives close to 1000 fps at sea level with the 410 Subs. Great results. Australia.
Hey just pointing out that i just ran these numbers with a perfect 1028fps this bullet will drop below 900fps at 200yrds in fact it will have only 950fps at 100yrds in other words this bullet is only effective under 100yrds ,seems to me that using a lead solid would be much more cost effective and more effective
yeah but then hornady dont get your money!
@WayStedYou hornady has lots of great products but i avoid buying them because they are a marketing first company, in other words if they can decieve me in order for me to buy then they will lie.
I’ve been interested in this bullet since George at Target Suite got really good results.
I have to figure that a cast bullet at a 7-8 BHN wouldn’t perform just as well at the lower velocities.
Great information. Hodgdon also has subsonic loading for 450 Bushmaster with 395 Hornady.
The whole box moved with the high velocity load, so that would take up some of the energy of the bullet strike. The low velocity load didn't shift the box, so maybe try again but anchor the box first. You might have got another broken board with the box anchored.
Yes, noticed that. These were my first two shots into the box and I'm learning. Box is getting some needed improvements.
Thank you for the awesome ammo video 45-70 is a mean round.
Without a fluid, these won't expand as well typically. These really need the hydrostatic shock.
I'd like to try them in ballistics gel, and possibly water jugs as well.
Hey, I have the newer Ruger made Marlin 45-70, 19.1" barrel, with a SilencerCo Hybrid 46 suppressor and a Burris 2-7 BDC scout scope. The cool and really useful thing is that the Hornady FTX 325gr is zeroed at 100 yards and the third BDC down in the Burris reticle is also zeroed at 100 yards for the Hornady Sub-X 410gr. I have not started reloading them yet but I do have all of the components. However I recently picked up the Burris Eliminator IV laser scope and think I may experiment with it a bit on my set up to stretch out the 325 gr since we just clear cut some of our hunting property and now have longer ranges to take white tail deer in our plots.
Excellent. I was really impressed with the factory Hornady 325 gr FTX ammo when we tested it a couple of months ago. Very tight extreme spread and SD numbers.
Exactly the setup I used to run, rifle, scope, and ammo. That thing shoots sub MOA with the 325Gr hornady's... its too tempting to use them as your goto ammo but trust me after shooting 2 large black bears with it under 40 yards that bullet will grenade and you will not get the pass through you need, ESPECIALLY if you shoot front shoulder like most of the guides up here will advise you do. Stick with the heavy Remington Core-Lokt unless you are using the rifle exclusively for deer.
@@foonus406 Yeah, I am in the southeast and white tall deer and hogs are all that I will be able to hunt with this set up. For the last 10 years I have gone to neck shots on all of my deer. I weigh all of my deer before I process them and after it is processed. I have noticed that since I have switch a neck shot, the deer drops in its tracks every time and I get more meat out of it.
❤❤. Good gob Guy!!❤❤
Thanks!
How did you get your Garmin to display battery percentage?
that trail boss aint ever coming back my friend, im a new reloader whos been waiting for it for over 2 years im done thinking about it, its a shame such a cool versatile powder is gone now
The sub-x bullets simple don't expand like they should. Which makes me wonder why they didnt do a gel test. Minimal expansion in gel AND on game. If we could only get the sub-x to work as good Hornady's marketing , we'd have a winner!
I just got done loading some 45-70 with the 325 grain FTX. They shoot very well out of my old New England Firearms Handy rifle. I do have one question. What is the thread pitch on that Henry rifle. I have been thinking of threading my Handy rifle to put a muzzle break on it.
The Henry Model X has a 1:20 twist barrel. We have an article and video dedicated just to that rifle. We shot the factory 325 gr FTX ammo as well as some factory loaded 410 grain subsonic Hornady ammo. The 325 ammo in particular had amazingly tight extreme spread and standard deviation velocity figures. Links don't work well here in the comments section so just search UA-cam for our videos or go to the Ultimate Reloader website for both the article and the video.
According to Henry's website: 5/8x24 thread pattern
I have the same rifle in 444 and use factory Normandy 265 gr ftx rounds. It kicks like a mule, but very accurate. That rifle has shot everything accurate thru it, including Steinel 300 gr xtp loads. Those loads are painful on both ends!
@currituck my rifle is the same. It has shot everything very well. The 325 FTX are the first hand loads I have put through it. Six shots with that load is all I could handle.
@@OtiumBorealis - ah - I misunderstood his question. Thank you!
Nice video
Great video
That 410gr looks like a handgun cartridge
Ha! Yes it does. That's a lot of bullet.
That smile!
Excellent presentation Guy.
I use Unique powder for my 500 hard cast subsonic loads.
What overall length? I try 2.490 s per hornady nd its way lower than the cannelure
Guy, what height rings did you use with the Mark5 scope?
8.6 blk out is best
With your beard you look like Bob Faulkrod!!
450 Bushmaster subsonic is a better option
I’d really like to try this load on thumping nuisance beavers ! My 300 BO with the 190 sub-x works but I think the 45/70 would be that much better !!
Moar deadder!
Does it come standard with the T&E scope from a 60 mm mortar???
Ha! I've used the 60mm mortar - a long time ago. Ya, this bullet and cartridge isn't about flat trajectory. Your comment did put a smile on my face, thanks!
A great review !
I wish I could find some H4198 it’s been impossible. That’s my favorite 45/70 powder. Another great video. Love these videos on the old stand by cartridges.
I’ve not tried H4198 yet but have seen it around. Maybe I need to try it against the IMR stuff.
Try 2015
@@orr89rocz I’ll give it a try
Nice video! I’m currenly using this bullet at ~1400fps and it’s both accurate and enjoyable to shoot out of a Contender Carbine. I was wondering about the Hornady COL data you present. Initial COL they specified supersonic = 2.490”. I see the subsonic load data you present at 2.547”…could you comment on why they would be different?
Thanks Guy for the video and data points. I need one of those 45-70 suppressor units. The bullet id like to try is my Lyman Gould mould. Basically an 330'ish grain cast hollow point.
I bought some of these projectiles for reloading. I. Wondering if ill have to shorten my cases to load these? I know the lever evolution cases are shorter, just dont know about these
I appreciate the endless talking but really really be interested in how noisy this bullet is and you fire it through a suppressor....
Push the bullet to 980 fps muzzle velocity and it should stay above minimum expansion velocity (900 fps according to Hornady) until about 130 yards out.
And that's plenty of distance in many hunting scenarios.
That mark 5 on my sig cross would make my pp stiff. Need to start saving for it
Ha! I've thoroughly enjoyed using it.
Seems like a lot of money to spend for a worse than a lead solid bullet
We would need to see the expansion in gel to actually know. Most bullets do expand much in wood.
Wait, you’re telling me Hornady released a “subsonic” hunting bullet that only expands down to 900 fps, and their load data only goes down to 1300 fps? I normally like Hornady’s stuff but this needed more R&D before being released.
But Hodgdon takes that same bullet down to Subsonic levels. Maybe they split the work?
@@guyminer3168 Regardless, for a bullet that costs almost a dollar a piece, I’m not impressed. Maker’s Bullets solid copper subsonic bullets work VERY well and cost just a little more. Paul will also provide solid load data all of his projectiles. They either need to lower their price or make a better bullet.
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Yes, and thanks! This one was so fun to make.