Nikon Z9 (DX) VS Nikon D500 - DSLR vs Mirrorless - Image Quality Test
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I came here as I was considering replacing my D500 with a Z9 (gear acquisition syndrome). Thank you for the info. I think that my D500 still has a few good years left in it.
Just as long as its the same exposure, the images are more or less the same with a 2 stop push on the D500. ~!
I just bought one of the last brand new domestic ones in existence. It's a timeless DX camera.
@@siriusgd4753 Nice, They are slowly rising in price I noticed for new..
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So did i , now i feel nikonz are useless, Time to shift to sony ... So much choices and my friend just got sony RV , pure beast with whooping 61 megapixels
I will use my D500 until it dies.
Sounds romantic.
Скорее - сказано реально. D500 при малом использовании ещё может и 25 лет отработать.
You just convinced me to NOT buy the Z9 and instead continue to embrace my fabulous D750 cameras!
No no no buy it!!! link down below lol!!
@@theCameraVille Mission failed successfully my man 😂
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Thanks for the info. I disagree about the noise aspect. I have been able to get within a few meters of birds and still get my shots. Apart from that it's nice to know that the D500 is still doing well comparatively to the latest tech.
Not a problem!. Some birds are use to the sound but others may not be. In the end its best to be silent as possible as animals hearing and sight are far advance than us humans.
I've noticed that some birds will actually look at me when they hear my D500, which gives a better shot.
Niely done. I used to have the D500 and was the best crop DSLR I owned. I am surprised how it held up against the Z9. Now video is where the Z9 trounces the D500, no contest, but then again, so is the price difference.
I think Nikon went with the lower resolution on the Z9 LCD screen to be able to output the 8K video without having it choke on all them pixels.
Looking at the price difference, the Z8 doesn't offer much of an advantage over the D500 and any differences can easily be fixed in post. No wonder used D500's and D850's are so popular. You can buy either with a 150-600mm Sigma or Tamron lens for less than the price of a Z9 body and still have enough change for another lens or a decent tripod and gimbal head.
Yup, I mentioned that as well, tons of native lenses for the F mount. D500 IQ held up pretty well. I was literally shooting in darkness.
I could buy a D500 and a 600mm f4 for the price of a z9 alone. There is nothing amateur about carrying a 600mm f4. I'd argue If I'm seeing someone try to shoot birds with a dinky lens and a z9 that they are the amateurs lol.
@@Ill_look_back_on_in_disgust D500 is discontinue so getting repair or even 3rd party repair down the road is going to be expensive. On top of that the 600m f4 is 1996 lens so also repair will be difficult. Basically your buying into tech that cant be fix down the road except replaced.
Thank you for coming by~!
@@theCameraVille but than again, old is cheaper than new. Repair may cost more than what it’s worth
@@urinesoakedtroglodyte5764 If you watch the Z9 vs D850, The price of D500 is going up. Basically the demand is higher now so the pricing can also go higher since there isnt any in production. Simple supply and demand.
I wonder how photographers managed to achieve such amazing wildlife results prior too mirrorless!! 😮
Spray and pray. Bunch of wasteful e waste individual basically. No wonder Nikon discontinue the model a year ago. 2 more and support is done. Ouch.
@@theCameraVilleNikon discontinued it because they're moving towards mirrorless since it's the new tech. And let's not forget these new cameras are capable of faster frames per second so "spray and pray" is hardly how the pros get results. Don't forget we got the shots using film long before digital ever came onto the market.
You got it right! This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. "Spray and pray" my foot. He makes claims and has no idea.@@Caballeroshot
yep, especially for Nat Geo ... poor animals, must have had a terrible sleep after being shot with a giant black DSLR ...
@@Caballeroshotanother reason to fully move to mirrorless line up is cost. Mechanical parts are expensive to build and maintain as opposed to electronic. The price we pay now mainly down to R&D.
d500 actually has a software limit. if you were to press the shutter button once again, it would start yet another series of 200 photos. that's not a limitation of buffer, more like safety mechanism, in case of shutter button being pressed by accident in the bag
Actually if you look at the audio of the D500 , 5:51 , you will see that the D500 is slowing down and chugs therefore it has its own limitation. If it was just a shutter software limit, there should be no chugging. Proof is in the pudding.
@@theCameraVille He is referring to setting d2 - Under shooting and display , Max. continuous release is defaulted to 200 shots on the D500. My two other cameras a D810 and D7200 the setting is d3 and they default to 100 shots. This is a setting to prevent you from accidently having the shutter stuck down like in your camera bag and have the shutter go off continuously and kill the shutter. Granted, in your test the buffer was starting to fill up anyway, but if you let off the shutter button and go back on again it would probably have been able to keep going. With my quality settings I am lucky to get 60-70 shots until I hit the buffer on my XQD card.
@@willychan88 The test is based on no compromises, then that is on the system. Also the card slowly buffered around 5:51 .
My Z9 is doing just great,I no longer shoot the D500 and D850 .For me the difference is mostly in the lenses.The mirroless lenses from Nikon is mind blowing.
The Z9 was so good that I have two,now the weight is forcing me to sell one .if you want an unused Z9 hit me up.
On a side note,the cfexpress type b card is so mainstream now that it’s actually cheaper than the sd card us II.
Which cf express card are you currently using btw? The D500 and the D850 are my last 2 nikon dslr. It will be there time soon to let them go sadly😭
A 64gb cfexpress type b card costs over 100$.. that's not cheaper.. a 128gb sdxc card uhs ii type is just below 100$ (atleast where I live)
I'm interested in the Z9 how much?
@@lilloc2094 arm and a leg
D500, an amazing machine, tx for the test!
I still have mines T_T.. Yup no prob~!
Por seis mil dólares de diferencia yo me quedaría con la D500 (precios de Uruguay). Es un pequeño cañón que seguirá vigente hasta el año 2030. Y se puede complementar muy bien con una Z5. No sé precisa más.
Thank you! I have a d500 and was getting some fomo, kinda want the x-h2 but i dont think i “need” it now :) cheers!
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There is one thing you got wrong. Both the Z9 and the D500 use single processors. But besides that I find that the Z9 handles color fringing better than the D500. It seems like there was some green fringing on the wires on the D500 shots which weren't there with the Z9
I never mention about single or double processing, am I wrong still 😭😭. Your putting words in my mouth buddy.😂
@@theCameraVille But says dual EXPEED7 literally on the screen (ok, it‘s not in your mouth, but on the screen 😂😂😂)
@@romanpul Bahahaha so we even then. okay big hugs LOL!. no no that's good. I will clean that up the next round sir~! Thank you for the eagle eye.
Talking about only photography the D500 is aging nicely. Except the shutter noise issue, it's still a great action camera at a very affordable price. But the comparison in crop mode on the Z9 I don't know if it makes much sense, who would use the Z9 in crop mode? Will using a high resolution FX sensor and then cropping even above the APS-C crop result in higher quality images? Love your content.
There are shooters who dont want the files size of the 45 mp on the card, instead they go into crop mode and let it rip. Saves time on cropping in .This is a good topic to explain though. Interesting to see who does this kind of method.
@@theCameraVille Hey Li, next time, a picture quality comparison between the 2 modes would be very interesting. Thoughts?
That being said, the cost of the Z9 and good quality glass puts such a system way out of my reach.
@@jean-philippeperetti8463 Oh yea~! Lets do that Jean. I know people understand the theory but rather see a comparison and file management side of the things. Good Idea~!
Nah man, it was a bad test. You should have activated the D500's crop mode or shot the Z9 at fulll size.
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Great video! Still use my D500 almost every day. The size of the Z9 rules it out for me. Hoping that the Z8 will be smaller
That is my D500 in the video. My go to for many years. Sadly when doing neutral review , I cant be too attach. :(
I have 4 D500 bodies. I can shoot all 200 images to my XQD or CF cards without the lag toward the end of the 200 that you experienced, where there started to be a slow-down between images. Mine go all the way to 200 in 20 seconds without any change in the speed or sound. It may be because I shoot RAW, not JPG, but on top of that, I rarely shoot 200 images at a time anyhow, so this really doesn't matter in real life. The reason for the buffer was because there were folks who found that the power switch would sometimes get switched on in transit and the shutter button get pressed, only to fill the card and/or kill the battery. Did that lesson transfer to the Z9? Apparently not.
The monitor on the D500 having 2359K dots vs the Z9 having "only" 2100K dots is such a small difference that it is trivial and nothing for anyone to be concerned about. And to say that Nikon would "cheap that out" just shows how little you know about the role the monitor actually plays in determining whether an image is sharp or not. Your statement infers that those extra dots make a huge difference, when all it really does is up the bragging rights for those who care about being arrogant.
"D500 shooters are amateurs" is a laughable statement on your part. That is simply a statement that attempts to shame people into spending money to keep up with a trend that they may not be able to afford, or more likely have the intelligence to choose not to follow.
I came here because of owning the venerable D500 and thought I might actually learn something, but that is sadly not the case. Maybe you should learn how to actually operate the cameras you're testing before publishing videos about them.
That is depending on your shutter setting. My test is a stress test. The faster the shutter, the more data transfer which will equal the lag. When you tell me you dont see that, that means your using a slower shutter so your card is able to recover. . Basically you are shooting like its 2015. Also the dynamic range isn't as good on the D500. So on top of the stress test, the Z9 carries more data information than the D500.
D500 is discontinued . Soon just like the other discontinue bodies, they wont be repairable. You might end up paying a higher price tag than usual at a camera shop just for a repair. In a nut shell, you have 4 dslr that has an end date. No one is using a D500 for professional photography. Hobbyist only.
Cheers~
Shutter speed has nothing to do with the amount of data being transferred with each image. When the mode is set to "CL", the rate is 10 FPM, so whether the shutter speed is1 /8000 or 1/30, the amount of data is exactly the same because the size of the file is exactly the same. If you had actually read my comment, I said that it records 200 images in 20 seconds, and if you do the math, that is 10 FPM, so I'm not using a slower shutter speed in some lame attempt to "allow the card to recover." Or maybe math isn't your strong suit?
Claiming that I'm shooting like it's 2015 is another lame attempt at shaming, also known as a put-down. This is 2023, and I shoot like it's today, not 8 years ago. What was your point in making that statement? Trolling me? Try again.
The dynamic range is just fine on the D500. If it wasn't, then it would never have sold as well as it did, nor be as favored as it is. With only a slight tweak in Lightroom, I can make it look like anything I want. And I'm not talking LR from 2015.
The first fact you've actually stated is that the D500 is discontinued. Well, I hope the Z9 hasn't been discontinued yet - it just came out! The D500 had a production run of over 6 years. Your contention that it won't be repairable is a forecast that you can't back with any facts. Good cameras are worth the time and money spent to keep them in good repair. Nobody in their right mind uses things beyond their useful lives. I take care of my equipment. Besides, why do you think I own 4? It's to ensure that I have a working version of this marvelous body for years to come! For what I've spent on these 4 bodies, I've still spent less than the purchase price of just one Z9.
To claim that "no one is using the D500 for professional photography. Hobbyist only." is another statement you've made with no facts to back it up. You are all just fluff and no substance. Anyone who tries to make a point will bring facts to the table, not baseless arguments. Or was that another put-down attempt? Sorry, I wasn't paying attention.
As I said the first time, I had hoped to learn something about the D500, but instead I learned that not all YT videos actually have something of value to offer.@@theCameraVille
@@hotflashfoto You actually dont know your camera. Im amazed. Good luck.
You're wrong. I do know my camera. That's why I bought 3 more after I got the first one. @@theCameraVille
@@hotflashfoto That is cute. I hope you enjoy them.
I already own a D500. Not changing anytime soon.
That is also my D500 in the video so we are on the same boat.
Good day sirji
I have been using D500 with 17mm to 55mm 2.8 from the day i purchased it in 2016.
I am really happy the way it has given me.
Even after mirrorless camera still I like it.
The way it fits in your hand it gives a professional feel.
I love it.
And don't forget it's a baby of D5.
Thanks for Nikon
You have proved it brother
In this field for last 37 years.
This cant be a baby D5 as the D5 is full frame so the dynamic range and noise different. Anything close to the D5 could be the fps but keep in mind, the unit is discontinued and fixing your shutter down the road will cost you more than before. Its the matter of you , buy in cheap but pay more later to fix.
D500 has an advantage over the other Nikon mirrorless (ML), not including the Z9, is the AF for fast action/birds in flight. While the Z9 has great AF in both of those catagories, those other Nikons MLs AF can't match the D500.
Man thank you! I got roasted for complaining about the other ML camera.
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Too much blackout and lag and AF wasnt great.
I have a D500. I was thinking about getting a Z9 or maybe a Z8. I don’t do video and just photos. Also, burst mode doesn’t really matter to me. I have the battery grip on my D500, so size isn’t an issue. I think I’ll just keep the D500 for now. Maybe I’ll have both. Anyway, I appreciate your video.
Z8 price is dropping. Refurbished was over $500 off and used I saw was $3,000.
Z9 is the all arounder for video and photo.
I just went to a Nikon D850 from my Olympus MFT gear. I haven't cropped it to see how close they would be. Might be fun just see
Some comparisons shown are up to 30mins apart so lighting is subject to change/ the comparisons should be identical time wise /
Only if its a CLOUDY day that would matter. Its a clear sky day in September and I would do a series of shot back and forth between systems to make sure the variables doesn't change. Also we did a indoor control test just to make sure everything aligns to the final output. Also D500 is for collectors now as this is discontinued. This isnt a viable system I would recommend people to get. Also there will be soon no more service for this unit which means 3rd party can over charge you for the repair on D500. In the end, Z9 and the future of mirrorless is looking up.
The D500 has quiet release modes??? Two to be exact single and continuous. That should have been mentioned in the video.
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Basically why we removed it from the video. Cheers
I really like my D500 EVEN HERE IN 2024. THE D500 AND the Nikon 200-500 lens has been worth every penny.
But its no longer supported by Nikon. Great for its time but if your dslr is making that slappy noise and scaring the birds away, people around you will 😂👀
@@theCameraVille At 5 to 6 thousand dollars for the Z9. They can put up with a little noise. lol.
@@MrHitthespot Z is actually has fallen since then. Its already 2 years old and dropping in used sale. D500 is using old glass as well. Its sharper on the z lens which is what people forget when making an image. The camera and then the Lens.
I really want to see a comparison between the D5 and any good top mirrorless camera
Thats a nice suggestion. Will look into it
Imagine the image quality on the D500 when using DXO Pure RAW. If you process the D500 keepers thru Pure RAW first, it might be indistinguishable on all levels with the Z9. Hmmmm.
Nope. Not even close. Did it behind the scenes with my IG live show. Best of luck
You encourage me to keep my D500. Thank you.
Get ready for the repair bill. Its even more than normal for discontinue units.
He knows nothing of what he speaks and yet he keeps opening his mouth.@@theCameraVille
@@hotflashfoto Thank you. Tell him Pj! you do him right
its 2024 I still use a D700. but i Want the d500 for wildlife
DO IT~! I think its almost out the support list on the Nikon website. Its discontinue but I think they got another year for support.
The frame test...If you woulda let up on the D500 when it hits 200 or close to then instantly hit the shutter button it will stay shooting tell the card is empty...will not stop again!
That woyld be a different test. But Nikon rated it to buffer at 200 for nonstop action.
@@theCameraVille Yeah it's rated for 200 but after hitting buffer it will run tell card is full. That was on the first firmware, not sure if it still does it after updated firmware is installed.
💥 I can’t believe the image quality that you got out of both of those bodies when you pushed the exposures being so underexposed initially. The D500 is a little better than my D7200 but I could never get any kind of results like that seeing the detail that you show here. My shadows would have been a muddy disaster.
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Просто на D7200 вы используете совсем не тот объектив, которым снимает автор видео. Но даже свой объектив нужно настраивать н камере, вводя поправку. А если это Tamron или Sigma, то надо отъюстировать объектив на докстанции, введя нужные поправки. Тогдв D7200 будет снимать отлично. У него лучшая матрица, чем у D500.
Haven't tested it yet but I seen here on StupidTube someone said the D500 has IBIS but not in 4k mode.
No ibis in nikon dslr. Only pentax dslr has ibis.
@@theCameraVille I figured so... I don't do video so no worries there! Lol.
can i ask is there any button that can map FX to DX?
I have the fn 4 button set to FX to DX mode
I buy mirrorless because of WYSIWYG. I don’t buy DSLR because it doesn’t have 1:29 WYSIWYG. Correct exposure BEFORE one presses the shutter button is priceless to me.
That is very true. Also Im starting to enjoy the AF function.
Nice to see you friend! I have a wish, please test the dynamic range not only on an underexposed scene, but also on an overexposed one, otherwise Canon has an advantage in overexposed scenes! AND LOOKING YOURS I can see, I realized that the progress of cameras now is Nikon z30. This is the size!
woo under and over expose 😎😎 Will intergrated that in in the next next video. Thank you 🤝🤝🤝😎😎
incredible! will we see Z9 vs Z7ii?
Possible. Very very possible. :D Will be some time to get there but yes~!
8K 60 FPS RAW
louder than the z9 did you really bother with the camera? the z9 is silent
Basically mentioned it. I think you should watch the entire video :D I was being nice to D500. Cant lay the entire load on 2016 camera. Would be mean
Funny comparison honestly :) But it's not obvious that Z9 has more autonomy than D500: it might have a better battery, but the visor uses power, so.... Also, at 8:00, you see clearly some chroma errors on the electric pillars.
D500 is discontinue. Nikon support will soon end. The end. Cheers~!
@@theCameraVille Support ? :) Are you kidding ? I can still send them my AF lenses for service :)
@@JulienMR I guess you arent ready for the future. Im sorry. Already my other Dslr wouldnt be fix by Nikon. Its just a matter of time. Good luck
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D800 was 9 year old before it was removed. D500 is 2016? 7 years old? So yea. Even my D4 is no longer repairable. Good luck
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Look at Gamme Pro in the end of the list. Nikon support can't avoid to repair these, just the price is not fixed.
Feeling much better about D500 as it can now kick Z9 out in real world as two D500 bodies with amazing Lenses together can cost half the price that Z9 and Z lenses will cost. So, decision confirmed on D500 then. In fact Z8 is way better in comparison to that big chunky Z9 which is a nightmare to carry.
Its discontinue on D500. Fixing will cost more than ever before. If you dont shoot much then your fineZ
@@theCameraVille agreed. However, with good use it will take another 5 years before I may need to invest any more. By that time a much better offering may come in Mirrorless that can convince me to move ahead of D500 and D850 in terms of cost-benefit analysis. So far, Z8 is really impressive in Nikon's mirrorless line-up except it's terrible battery-life.
XQD and CF express is not everywhere unlike SD.
Depends what performance your looking for.
What about nikon d850 DX mode vs nikon d500 ???.....
Oh this is a Z9 video~! I'm unsure how you got D850 from this video?
@@theCameraVille yes I know . I thought you have d850 also ...
@@naturalclips4590 Of course I do ~! Are you wondering of this kind of results? D850 vs D500? I worry there might be a video out there since this came before my time on youtube.
@@theCameraVille yes , As a wildlife photographer dx mode is very important for us but I don't know how about dynamic range about dx mode photos . Is it same as fx mode photos or less quality ??
Tell the people who complain about the noise to shove it. :)
No no no we arent shoving anything. That is not nice😡
Only thing missing from the Z9 is gyro stabalisation
Woo that is a good feature to have.
30 fps vs 10 fps. And full frame vs dx. The 2 cameras are close when you ignore those major differences....
Read the title. Cheers.
@@theCameraVille 30fps vs 10fps. And though you are doing a dx comparison, you can't ignore the fact that the z9 can do fx, so that is like a 'feature' you get with it that you don't get with the d500.
@@dozerthecat When doing youtube, you cant be doing that kind of topic because its a “ duh “ topic. Its known. To make it engaging , we compare crop mode.
@@theCameraVille did you mention 30fps? Great job.
Nah I’ll keep using my d850! nothing can replace it LOL
D850 has 1 more year before it discontinue so enjoy my friend. Love that camera too❤️
@@theCameraVille everyone does! It’s perfect with the battery grip!!! For wildlife!!
Huge difference in price
You are correct.
However, D500 is discontinued. I wonder the rise in cost to repair the unit these days.
come on, man...why do you have that rubber coating on those cameras?
Come on man, I love my rubber. I dont have kids yet.
Man, stomping on that table is just so fuc*ing annoyng !!! It really destroys the positive reaction to your review !!! :(
I apologies, it wont ever happen again. Happy New Years
Such a pointless video! Is there anyone here taking pictures in the complete darkness? The d500 also has unlimited buffer, but no one needs that! Anyways, based on this pointless video buy the D500! It looks like a much better camera, than the Z9!
Nikon D500 fan boy I see. No problem. Continue your worthless crusade. D500 dslr is discontinued. No more support from Nikon. Need a fix down the road? You end up paying higher price for the fix on third party parts. On top of that all, you would be disqualified for NPS due to it being not a current model. So Sad you spent your time calling things pointless when your whole point seems to be pointless. I wish you the best of luck.
Man, I don´t even have a Nikon camera at home! But, based on taking pictures in full darkness, just buy the D500! Your video is promoting the camera very well!@@theCameraVille
@@OmarFadul If you claim you are not a Nikon owner, why even defend a 9 year old discontinue DSLR ? And reading your comments, looks like you are not even a shooter. Ouch. I guess you just want to be a pointless troll. This is fine. Your helping boost the video by replying back anyways. So I guess you are also helping me promote it. Continue.