James O'Brien ties caller in knots for opposing trade unions | LBC
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- James O'Brien ties this caller in knots after he claims 'we should have individual representation' instead of trade unions.
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I am seriously starting to believe that some people's perception of reality is built upon unicorns and rainbows. To hear working class people argue against their own interests is deeply troublesome. Worse, it's a colossal dis-service to the preceding generations who fought for the rights we enjoy today.
It's a ghastly demonstration of the power of the media, that's been going on most of my life. And the nearest we've got to an alternative is Starmer and his Blairite careerists.
It is fine until you need a knee replacement at a later age and you get sacked for taking time off. Suggesting workers in the same workplace cannot group together and care for themselves and their colleagues.
This
How would striking without pay or being called a scab if I didn't strike be in 'my best interests' exactly ?
@@deanrogers6028 If your employer rejects your requests for better pay or conditions, your last resort is to withdraw your labour. This confronts your employer with the reality of what your permanent withdrawal of your labour would mean for their business.
If you scab, you may gain short-term relief from unemployment, but you are undermining the position of labour in general. You are accepting conditions of employment that others have found unacceptable in the long term.
Are you independently wealthy? If not, consider your position.
Its odd that he thinks he can negotiate for himself with his employer when he can't even negotiate this conversation to making a single salient point.
When he has never actually negotiated anything , even if he would be self employed , hes just been negotiating what he gets paid , nothing else .
Most salient comment here - and that's saying something.
Spot on! Haha
Indeed.... his naivety is hilarious.
Perfectly put👌🏻
When I was a teenager back in the 60s my father told me of a time, in the late 1920s or early 1930s when the local quarry sacked all its workers on a Friday afternoon and then set up recruitment the following Monday at a much reduced rate of pay. People had little choice but to sign up again because there was no other work. Unions fought over the years for rights for workers to prevent such exploitation. People who have benefited from those rights now take them for granted but without constant effort they will be lost. P & O anyone?
Alas, when people grow up accustomed to certain rights and freedoms it is easy for them to take them for granted yet be completely unaware of how these rights and freedoms came to be. See also the attacks on human rights and the resurge of authoritarianism.
James: "Who is going to make sure you don't get fired for being poorly"
Caller: "My employer"
Me (after playing it four times): "He said what? Is this guy for real?"
I had to wheel it up a couple of times too. One of the thickest blokes I've ever heard on this phone in
Someone has come onto the radio to argue he should have less employment rights. And you wonder how we end up with antivaxers and brexit?
Well said.
Ditto
More brains in a pork pie.
The fuvk has brexit and not wanting to take a poison got to do with employment rights you melon? Stay on course w⚓️
He isn't. He's arguing the everybody else should have less rights.
The amount who dont realise what a union does, and what they have done for the workers is really high.
the amount of effort put into basic education in this country is laughable
if it wasn't for the Unions thatcher would destroyed this country even more, of which we have never recovered from
Here in US Reagan's presidency foretold EVERY disaster we now face. First breaking the air traffic controller union then raging like COVID through every safety net, firewall built over 247 years.
@@BobQuigley the guy didn't know what day it was and after his presidency more of the cabinet ended up in jail, republicans = crooks
@@BobQuigley they foretold the facist, white supremicts would destroy america
Beyond depressing. As an NHS worker myself, the last time staff went on strike I was the only one on my team of 20 that walked out. My team leader asked me the day before if I was going to strike, I explained I would call in the morning to inform them on my decision, the response, "that's inconvenient as were trying to provide a service"!!. And And And............. I am now looking at being medically retired as I have had my health destroyed by covid and by lack off PPE, and terrible safety protocols during the pandemic . At least my UNION is doing everything they can to protect me.
What is the Update on Vaccine Injuries or are GB News Lying 🤥
@@natashawatson385 ?
Wishing you the best possible, James.
@@jamesbutler1949 James do you know about the Vaccine injuries and have you been injected yourself. I don't wish you no harm but the injection program will be your last decision you make for yourself .
@@natashawatson385 I’ve had 3. Still functioning perfectly fine. So, grow up.
This is the sort of person that will not acknowledge anything wrong or standup for anyone else. This is how a race for the bottom starts.
I often wonder what sort of working class person votes for someone like Boris Johnson who, to me, absolutely and clearly does not have their interests at heart at all.
This guy, apparently.
If I were a boxing referee I would have had to stop the fight.
He knocked him straight back into 1852
🤣
He was knocked back into the last millennium.
@@charleswalls8115 Where a Victorian factory manager immediately put him on a 16 hour shift
This isn't a fight, It's an execution
Sometimes it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think your a fool, than open it and remove all doubt…..
Mark Twain
100%
Proverbs 17:28
“Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent.”.
Love that quote!
Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think *you're* a fool, than to type it and remove all doubt.....
I thought Abraham Lincoln said that ?
"Changes and progress very rarely are gifts from above. They come out of struggles from below." - Noam Chomsky.
My grandad always used to say "Empty vessels make the most noise."
This caller is the definition of that. It would be funny if it wasn't absolutely soul destroying.
It's sad...like a growing percentage of right wingers he has absolutely no idea what he believes...he just knows what groups his tribe doesn't like...the details are trivial.
You may mean he doesn't know the values his beliefs are based on or wouldn't want to admit them. I'd say they are mean-spiritedness and spite.
He just supports the side that doesn't want radical change because change scares him
Years of reading the Daily Mail
@@brianperry Or, more likely, just looking at the pictures!
Probably someone who has adopted and used the word ‘woke’ to describe people who care about others
These are the types of people who constantly vote against our collective interest not realizing they are voting against their best interest at the same time. Jesus Christ 🤦🏾♂️
This is nation is seek
Like the 'Turkeys voting for Christmas' Brexit voters.... they knew what they had voted for... farage and the daily Mail told them so ...
Isn't it just infuriating how dumb it is ffs. We're really just out of the dark ages in the grand scheme of things.
This industrial level of ignorance is how we have a Tory government and Brexit.
Please your point is well made but don't take Jesus's name in vain please my friend.Thank you.Lawerence
It was 60 years ago but my father (a joiner / carpenter) used to be laid off by his employer at Christmas to avoid having to pay him holiday pay and in the new year he was reinstated to his old job with no compensation or assistance ! He was paid by the hour and would regularly work an extra 4 hours a day (called a half shift) making 12 hours a day !
I think it’s about time now that every person who works and pay taxes should join
a union to protect ourselves against a greedy employers. Don’t forget the employers
have their trad union which is the Conservative party protecting them all the way.
Get together and be strong as a team.
These are the people who take for granted all the benefits and think they just happen naturally. Why would employers abuse their employees just to make a few extra bucks? It's not like that's what they did for YEARS before unions.
They used to use child labour in the coal mines and factories because it was cheap.
@@davidty2006 The "chimney sweeps" in England were children because they could fit up the chimneys. They were basically child slaves, and the practice lasted 200 years, from shortly after the 1666 fire, to the late 1800's. Children as young as 4 were "bought" from poor parents by a "master" sweeper. They received no wages, but often died of cancer or other ailments directly related to their "work".
Honestly, point these people to how Amazon treats its workers in the U.S. because, while there are a lot of union protections afforded to those workers unions are desperately needed to ensure protections are afforded, because I can assure you individual representation means nothing, every Amazon Associate (the entry level position) has complained that they need some kind of break, or exception so they can go to the bathroom without it negatively affecting their rates, here in Southern Arizona where the warehouse would get upwards of 85 degrees away from the machinery (and upwards of 95 while at a work station) people constantly complained about it and were practically begging management all the way up to the guy who managed the whole building to bring the temperature down especially for those working 12 hr shifts in these conditions, or the copious amount of other health and safety issues we face... There is an Amazon Union in the U.S. just one for one location, Arizona you can be fired for attempting to unionize and it's legal for that company to do it so it wont be coming here, but if every state that offers protections for workers who want to unionize does it then the likelihood of it being passed to those in Republican led state legislatures like my state greatly increases.
@Hithere hwsitgoing Yes poor people being treated like slaves, not wealthy train drivers on £70k per year.
@@agt155 you do realise, it isn't just train drivers, yes? This strike action is for many other employees of the railway companies.
This same level of idiocy is going to see us free from human rights soon too. Utter genius 🤦🏼♀️
When companies put you on disciplinary action for having time off for cancer treatment is beyond disgusting - I have seen people affected by this and were lucky to have their unions get involved. Thank goodness they exist!!
You've seen company's discipline people for having cancer ? What company was that?
@@l_m9494 it was disciplinary action for management of attendance, taking a lot of time off work for sickness. Unfortunately it was due to cancer but that didn’t stop management from not using their discretion and continued along the disciplinary route. The union got involved and saved that person from further aggravation.
@@adee4507 that seems odd. But then you also cant pay somone indefinitely just because they get sick is there not a social welfare where a person can go on sick pay if they are too sick to work?
I have met people like the caller, They are tough on the left, hard supporters of capitalism while it applies to others. Once the wind turn into their direction they are all for workers rights.
A kick in the Nuts normally solves it .
I knew a lady in the states like that. She was especially dead against free healthcare and education, anything ‘socialism’ without understanding the word at all. Then she got cancer. She lost her job as she couldn’t work. Her treatments cost so much her entire life savings (she had been well off enough to have some) were gone including her kids’ college funds and they ended up homeless! What saved her life? Go fund me.
"Do you know where you'd be happy? 1852!" A perfect response and end to this call. It is shocking at how little so many know about the role of unions in securing the rights workers have enjoyed for over one hundred years.
Did he think you negotiate a contract after you’ve got the job? Employer: nope, we don’t agree to those terms, you’re fired. But…, But…, You can’t…, I’ve got a con… what are pleb
The right always say we don't want to go back to the 1970s but happy to go back to 1852
Brilliant. Workers many do not get it at all. If have to work to live regardless of status you are a worker. Job today gone tomorrow. Take nothing for granted. Never doff your cap to Tories, big corporates etc do nothing for you.
All employment rights you have, everyone of them have and are brought about from and by unions. Thank them.
Wannabe Thatcher and wannabe PM Liz Truss will take away what Tories name Red Tape and they mean shred workers rights, working conditions and pay etc. Working rights are part of human rights and the Tories can't wait to tear it up
Unions have to win 2022/3 choice off latter or welcome Victorian Times.
in a pure capitalist market without checks and balances, employers will only think of one thing: profit.
so your rights don't mean squat, said caller.
Thats why they demonise the unions, and brainwash people into believing that they just want to wreck the country, its all part of their strategy to create a class war, then stand back and blame everyone else.
✌️😎✌️
How many 80 year old bricklayers have you seen. Well done James.
some of these anti union twonks need to go live in CHINA.. and see how workers are TRULY ABUSED!!!
the brick layers I know are all self employed and vote conservative.
How many bricklayers has Obrien seen in his life. I doubt many went to his £40k private school.
@@agt155Tory BOT, begone you W⚓
@@agt155 So that prevents him from having the right opinion,how many torys went to private schools.Its not a difficult question is it?Are you opposed to workers having the right to a safe workplace?
The caller thinks that he's so brilliant that he could individually negotiate whatever he wanted.
I've been a union rep for 10yrs I've negotiated for better pay and conditions, employees rights and benefits for my members and non members over this period. Unfortunately like this guy who are not a member of the union have gained of unions and the members hard work to stop employers exploitation. Believe me an employer would give you nothing if they legally could. That's why more workers need to become members of there union the bigger the resistance the stronger we are. It's not about power happy it's about looking after those that can't look after themselves. Well said James and thank you for sticking up for the unions.
I've retired last year but I honestly think management have had it easy for years and got rich off our labours. Nobody wants it to be like the 70s , nobody strikes for fun . The Tories will change labour laws from under your feet .
How foolish this guy sounded. I’d have loved to see his face as he realised how clever he wasn’t. He totally embarrassed himself with his absolute lack of understanding.
i think james was kind on his kind of voting tory .should of hammered him more let him know what he is.
"In a political struggle of class against class, organization of trade unions is the most important weapon."( Friedrich Engels)
@@andydudley1775 agreed. I get the “sympathy for the conned” thing but it’s about time people have a mirror held up to themselves as coddling stupidity is how we got here in the first place.
This was the one bold enough to show off his ignorance in public.
Trouble is there are a lot of people like it. It is really worrying.
It’s amazing when people who are arguing against unions continually bring up rights and employment laws that were fought for and won by workers unions.
Such as?
@@deanrogers6028 you think things such as maternity leave, health and safety at work act, sick pay, union consultation on redundancy etc all came about because employers wanted to give money away?
@@mcdon2401, I object strongly to union leaders being paid the sums they are paid off the backs of those they claim to represent.
Unions are all for one and one for all unless you are high up in said unions where it is just greed on their part.
@@deanrogers6028 never said they were perfect, it's an imperfect world. But given the alternatives, you take part and try to fix the problems within as you go, or you go without and take your chances.
@@deanrogers6028 Then you should feel the same way about the politicians you vote for. Is Johnson worth what he's paid?
Trade unions are absolutely needed to protect employees rights. People are so blinded by the Media it's sad.
James "You know where you'd be happy? Caller (anticipating excitedly)
"Yeah go on.
James: 1852!
Brilliant 😂
Let’s hope that one thing that comes out of the appalling behaviour of the Tories to trade union officials is that people actually learn something about them.
Like how nasty they are?
@@davidyoung5830 very nasty unions trying to keep workforces from loosing jobs, staying safe and getting somewhat pleasant terms and conditions such as sick pay, maternity leave and reasonable pay. Nasty, nasty unions.
Maybe the rmt will pave the way for others to stand up to this government and say enough is enough. Maybe you’ll benefit from it.
@@davidyoung5830 the tories are pretty nasty yes...
They're destroying the economy by striking.
The trouble is that there are millions of deluded individuals like this one who think that somehow they have personally and individually achieved a great deal for themselves.
Some people have ZERO knowledge.
Some people have ZERO intelligence too
@@AquaFonic But how often are they the same people?
Classic James. Holds the mirror up and the caller doesnt like what he sees
it wasn't until I read EP Thompson, the Making of the English Working Class, that I realised how hard our ancestors fought for the right to form a union, and I was never taught anything about the working class struggle while at school (50s & 60s),I oft wonder why?
Excellent!
Trade unions came into existence because without them employers walked all over staff. The idea that today, with an even greater drive to make money for shareholders and bosses, things would be any better is delusional.
Strikes happen, not because individual workers can negotiate a decent deal, but because they can't.
What really makes me angry is the idea that some people seem to have that the union makes people to go on strike. They lack the understanding that this is a decision from a ballot of the workforce. How can so many be so ignorant of this whole area?
@@warweezil2802 a hangover from Thatcher era when unions were demonised
@@warweezil2802 The anti-union propaganda is astonishing.
The whole challenge for the Right is to get ordinary people to vote away their police, nurses, doctors, etc and leave themselves worse off. Incredibly, it clearly works!
@@danteshydratshirt2360 quite right, the National Union of Mineworkers were labeled by Thatcher as “the enemy within” this was repeated by her propaganda supporting newspaper rags of the Sun, the Mail and the express.
The real enemy of this country is the corrupt Tory criminals led by Johnson.
Despicable mobsters, who like to paaar-ty when they tell us we can’t see our dying relatives. Have Sunny garden parties when we couldn’t attend funerals of the people we loved.
Only “Enemy within” is the self interest riddled Tory party.
They should be in Prison, Not in Power!
Exactly! You can't ask for a decent pay rise because it will push up inflation. So basically your standard of living falls year on year, how is that fair. The rail companies are charging extortionate fairs so they should be able to pay more. And maybe give the greedy bosses less. How someone can be justified to be paid millions or 100,s of 1000,s is beyond me.
Brilliant again James.
Every worker needs union support.
Zero hours contracts and Exploitation are rife in this country.
so - you are saying that the unions have failed.
Someone clearly hasn’t been outside of the UK. What a sheltered life you have lead, Susan.
@@honeybadger3855 if you want to make a point, it's best to actually make it. Standing there being all smug like you've got some sort of super secret you're not telling anyone, and I'm sorry if this comes as a shock so brace yourself for this, is NOT convincing. You've thrown out a random insult and make some sort of vague reference to stuff being different in other countries but you've not actually said anything. The sensible assumption there is: you have nothing. Show us otherwise or don't.
People have become complacent and forgotten the benefits achieved by unions over the decades.
I can't understand why Britain can't see what this Gov't is doing to the working mans rights. And now there is no EU laws to protect workers rights yes we are back in the 1800s. The lack of comprehension of the dire straights workers rights are in in the UK is flabbergasting. When will they wake up?
They are waking up. Look at the increasing strikes.
He's tugged his forelock so hard his brain fell out.......
Right wing rage gets you the BNP. Left wing rage gets you the NHS.
....left wing rage? Let's not mention the Cambodian killing fields.
I see what you’re saying but left wing rage has led to some particularly dark chapters in human history as well.
@@matthewsocal2540 little englander rage🐟🐟🐟
🇪🇺🇬🇧🇺🇦🇪🇺
@@jim-es8qk that’s an exception not the rule
It is a common fallacy to believe the left gave us the NHS. Churchill's war time government created the NHS after promising everyone who served free healthcare for life.
When I first started work in 1962 I had to work on Saturday for half day 07.30 to 12.00.. Regarding pension age, some jobs that don't require much physical effort retiring at over seventy will, for some be okay. For those whose worked all, or most of their working life in industry, heavy lifting...'hard physical graft' in fact your pretty much done by the time your 65, for many before that age..Many didn't reach that pension age, others, like my father received a miserly pension for two years before he died...worn out by overwork..
"....1852"!!!! Brilliant!
I suspect he is a Sun/Daily Fail reader. He probably thinks the Tories genuinely intend on "levelling up"! 😂🤣
lol
Nah he knows it's nonsense but he likes it
some of these anti union twonks need to go live in CHINA.. and see how workers are TRULY ABUSED!!!
Don’t think this guy can read to be honest 🤔
You vote Labour don't you? Another working class peasant
The ignorance of some in the British public is frightening. No wonder the government gets away with so much.
well said hugh
What did the Romans ever do for us? That was a lesson in why we need collective representation. The employers would roll back on so much if the system wasn't in place to stop them.
Amazing how the upper classes get the working classes to call up national radio to argue againt their own best interests.
I despise people opposing unions and workers rights, the mainstream media coverage of the strike is so frustrating saying the strike is "causing misery", the workers drive the economy and the working class are going to need to fight for better conditions going forward
When I was a Union Rep, I regularly had to step in to represent and defend members who had contracts that the employer was crapping all over.
Likewise.
Ditto.
Many employers are more than happy to bully and harass their staff, knowing that if there's no/weak union representation, they're almost untouchable, and if you don't like it, tough.
My stepdaughter put up with horrendous amounts of abuse because she didn't know her rights, and her rep was ineffective. She had to fight tooth and nail to get what was owed to her, but because I helped her with it, she was successful.
@@mcdon2401 THIS - glad there was a happy ending to that story as often theres not
Did being a union rep ever affect your chances of career progression? I once worked with a man who was told to stop being a union rep in order to get a promotion.
@@skylarius3757 guess it depends what you want. I get far more satisfaction being a thorn in the side of management (even though I'm no longer a rep), and I haven't the slightest interest in joining a group who would gleefully stab you in the front, never mind the back 🤣
"you have a contract"
Who makes sure that contract gets enforced?
Total muppet, bring back child labour, workhouses, 14 hour shifts, no holidays, blah blah blah, thank you James, some sanity in a cowardly new world
Everything the working class achieved has been through union intervention,Tories don’t want us having rights👌
It is sad that there are so many people, me included until I was about 25, that believe unions and union action is a bad thing.
I am not saying that unions are perfect but nothing gets done without disrupting a few people (workers rights, women's suffrage, civil rights movement - aka heroes)and these days I am very very happy to disrupt the super rich.
It took me a while to see the benefits of a strong Union against an employer who would happily sabotage any workers rights given the chance. I used to see the Unions as more of a trouble maker than worker protection. How wrong I was!
Unions are necessary and id always be a member. Doesn't mean I necessarily agree with every strike action taken.
I find it hard to understand how collective workers rights could ever be seen as a bad thing, no matter what age you are or were. Please educate me on why you thought unions were bad before you were 25, what reasoning were you coming to? I'm genuinely flummoxed, I thought everybody understood the importance of worker representation.
Sorry, should have read"Apparently you are mistaken my friend"
Same here although more like in my 50s, up to that ponit I was too busy earning money and ignored politics, then began to realise how much ALL governments take away our rights, I now support unions & striking, and only wish non union company employees would stick together and make their employers take notice.
You can almost hear the gears in the guy's head as James feeds him notions that he's never even contemplated before. He thinks everything is there by some kind of divine right.
THANK YOU FOR HONORING THE WORKERS !!!
"Why are you arguing for making things worse not just for yourself but for the majority of your fellow citizens?"
"Because the PM who is a proven liar told me who was to blame for literally everything and I passionately believe that without even entertaining the idea that there might be another side to the story or what the potential consequences could be!"
Individualism.
People are not educated to be free thinkers or pluralists
And that caller is allowed to vote!! 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
Didn’t think this through before calling in did he!? 😂
The average person still hasn’t realised they’re giving up their rights slowly and the choice to say no will be taken away.
As mildly amusing as this is, as witnessed by many spot on comments, it really is profoundly depressing that there is this scale of ignorance out there and that these dangerous knuckle draggers can vote.
This type probably still wears a face mask and swallowed the covid scam hook ,line and sinker . The Goverment love people like this that believe this anti union propaganda and Goverment speak false stop .
It's the propaganda media
i agree its quite upsetting to see idiots have such nonchalant opinions about things that will ultimately effect them and their children. absolute stupidity at it finest, its no wonder the government keep taking us for fools.
oh shut up Fred...you act as if bunch of ignorant knuckle draggers would vote for Brexit without understanding any of the implications. 😉
I don’t think it is ignorance. It’s more that there is a certain number of people (typically boomers) who don’t need union representation because “I’m alright Jack” and they despise the fact that others (who aren’t as valuable to their employer or who are poor and have little agency) have access to representation that can give them more power than the boomers feel they deserve.
This caller needs an education, badly. 'How would you do that?' - 'negotiate with the employer and you have an employment contract'..... I don't even know what to say, pure idiocy.
Thick as mince springs to mind.
This man is talking himself out of things that benefit him and his colleagues🤷🏻♂️ scary times.
My word the absolute ignorance of the caller, he thinks having a contract in place stops employers dismissing their staff.
Hes just been lucky enough to never have been unfairly fired, and has no what his rights are.
James O'Brien is beginning to grow on me.....Employers will always find a way of getting rid of a person they don't want,wether a contract is in place or not unfortunately 🇬🇧
@@johnmccann5104 What does he think happens if an employer breaches a contract anyway? The only enforcement is the Courts, which is inaccessible for many employees.
@@laurenhyatt9006Hi Lauren......Things are certainly changing in 2022. ....Employers in the current market can easily get rid of an employee by claiming the needs of their business has changed. Every business I know (I work in hospitality) is basically quieter now than it was pre covid. Lots of pubs have closed their doors and won't be reopening along with restaurants and night clubs. Most are operating on 30% less staff but Boris still claims more people are working ....Its really not looking very prosperous for the coming months unfortunately
This poor man has been completely manipulated to go against his own interests
The drip drip effect of propaganda
Tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth.
B. Johnson
Well done James. Bravo!
It’s amazing how these people think that what we currently have was just self evident and always was,
Everything worth having in this country is the result of agitation by the Unions. No Tory governments have introduced major social legislation. It has been Labour governments who are responsible for that. Businesses can function without a CEO . The workforce will keep it running. No workforce - no business. In the 3 decades after WW2 ordinary folk saw their living standards rise as never before. Since 1979 wages have stagnated. The 6th richest country in the world enjoys living standards that are 22nd in the world. Reason? The hobbling of organised labour. Our competitors welcome the Unions. The Germans work with organised labour. That's why they are much more successful than us and they always will be. Rugged individualism is hopeless. Collective action is the way forward.
when he asked the guy 'do you know where you'd be happy?', I thought the answer was the United States.
Turns out, it was 1852.
Says a lot about the United States.
I loved that closing line.
He actually believed most of the stipulations in his contract are his own doing 🤣
I remember when we worked on saturdays and when it was abolished what a row came from the employers how are we going to manage and it was a nine hour day except saturdays which was six hours. For holiday pay we paid for stamps. If off work for any reason to get a stamp you had to complete a full week. This was the 1950's. The factory owner when he built his factory built the houses close to the works. Rent was part of your wages if you fell out with your boss you not only lost your job but you lost your. home as well. Some of the wool barons also owned the shops and would only accept the coinage minted at the mill or foundary. This started the Co-operative movement owned by the working classes who obtained a co-op number and dividends were paid from profits each quarter on presenting that number. Very little is taught on this history in schools and what is is glossed over or sanitised. But if the laws were changed today the employers would be quick to take advantage. Just take the recent action by a ferry company at Dover. Viewers have been enjoying Gentleman Jack on the TV a real person based on her diarys filmed at the original home. In the yard is a coal truck pushed by children underground in one of her mines. We saw in the last episode her politcs about supporting the Blue.
Brutal and rightly so
These are people who are keeping Boris in office if you ever wondered who wants to keep him there 🤔
It is unfortunate that unions are seen as the militant arm of the Labour Party when in fact they offer protection for all workers against exploitation by employers. It’s actually reassuring that unions still exist and strikes do happen when the conservatives throw out the old ‘we are cutting jobs to improve efficiency’ line in the NHS/ Teaching/ Police/ Army/ Railways (delete as appropriate)
ive forwarded this on to my 20yr old son who thinks unions are redundant and workers who strike are the problem! I genuinely despair at his understanding of the fundamental right to strike. I blame the parents😳🔫
When I was working in a garage and was being genuinely discriminated against and bullied, my trade union rep sorted it out and did a bostin job, making sure people were punished for their actions, and when my leg muscle torn on the way to work and it took 6 months to recover, the trade union jumped in on my behalf to stop the company firing me for something that wasn't my fault, second I leave that job and go for a semi-self employed contactor job, the company could and did get shot of me after 3 years because they felt like it and I didn't have a leg to stand on, I was begging for union representation then, this bloke don't know what he has in terms of employment privileges and what the great unions have done for us.
No offence but if your builder slipped in his shower and did his back in, would you still pay his wages?
@@agt155 if he was self employed then no...but as a self employed person he should have insurance to cover that. I honestly think you are clueless about working practices and you may be better off not posting
@@agt155 Patently not, but in his costings your builder would have included insurance against such an occurrence, so you would still be making a contribution towards covering the cost of his accident.
@@danteshydratshirt2360 ..that's because you have a narrow mind.
@@agt155 That being the case, you should keep clear of such a cheapskate as he won't stay in business long, what you describe is a self employed bricky with little business acumen, who would likely walk out on the job when things went pear shaped. The insurance would not only protect the builder's interest, it would also protect yours.
The amount of things won by unions that are endless. Everyone who works in this country has benefited from the work of unions!
Top tip……have some idea 💡 of what you’re talking about before phoning in….
What an interview
Everyone should be in a union.
Solidarity brothers and sisters 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I have heard enough. Our children are uneducated until they are taught,in detail, how trade unions work, how they started and which country invented them and why ordinary working people are lacking if they are not a member of a trade union.
Oh no, we can’t have that - how would Tory governments and huge corporations turn the public at large against unionisation if people knew that trade unions represent their interests?
Trade unions started in middle ages, they are direct continuations of medieval trade guilds! Trade unions are archaic organizations that should be abolished!
@@StarWarrior008 You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
@@roboldx9171 You obviously have no arguments!
What is so sad to me is that Tolpuddle has a Tory MP.
The caller was punching in the wrong division he need to drop down from heavy weight pillock.
I vividly recall a Thatcher led Tory government being very keen on people having proper trade union rights, representation and recognition. Unfortunately that was only for the people of Poland!
Years ago I worked for a start up company in London, where no one was in any type of union. I was unwell for a while, and was made to feel as though I had to pack in the job, so I did and left London, and ended that career and ended up doing other things. However, if I had of been in a union, I'm sure it would have helped and I could of just been off work for a month or two, then returned to my job, and continued in that career. The owner has since been given a life peerage and is sitting in the House of Lords, with a job for life that pays £300 daily expenses.
It's amazing how people who make their pockets fat off of others misery are rewarded as if it is an achievement
now you know why Thatcher was against Unions
If you think your supervisor is treating you bad,imagine without unions.
Thanks James 👍
Twice in my life unions have saved my job because the bosses just said I didn't have a job anymore. Never could have negotiated it on my own.
Adam Smith never had to endure a zero-hour contract.
Adam Smith was not the libertarian he is made out to be now. The "invisible hand of the market" is mentioned ONCE in his book (I do not know the title right now, it is the bible of so called "free market capitalists". That book is supposed to have a glossar but they do not have that for this now famous term - because it would be immediately visible that the phrase that is so famous with the free market ideologues was only mentioned ONCE in the whole book.
And he was against greedy and ruthless profiteers.
You stand no chance of negotiating for yourself if there are many more employees, the chances are the employer will let you go.
With zero hour contracts, one employee benefits at the expense of another so that none of them can get enough hours, earn enough money or break free from the control of the Universal Credit vampire.
"Let you go" is a Tory euphemism. Sacked, is the word you're looking for.
Yep, individuals who didn't just accept what they were offered by the employer wouldn't be hired in the first place.
i used to work in Waitrose and one of the younger women that worked with me in a group threw a complete tantrum one day over the bs they were putting our groups through... she threatened to just leave. Oh it got our immediate team leader and lower level managers attention and the young woman was told things would change. The next 2 or 3 days for her were better but then they slid back again. they just make token efforts to appease you without any proper representation. IIRC the young woman quit a month later. IMHO you should just quit as the blackmail of quitting doesnt work
Remember having a civil service interview in 1978 when I was asked as a mum was I hoping to have more pregnancies???...in 1978.
I have been a proud union member ever since
Legend. People love to bash unions (and they have their problems), but people forget what it was like before they existed.
It's more likely they conveniently choose not to research what life was like for the average worker 200 years ago. It would totally destroy their arguments.
Your contract guarantees you nothing if you can't afford to defend it in court. How are you going to do that with no income?
And, thus, where your union and rep will stand up on your behalf, to tribunal or industrial court
This tool think the employment rights he enjoys were a gift from the employers rather than hard fought for rights won by the union movement.
The greatest trick the Tories ever pulled was to get the workers to empathise with _employers'_ wants and needs more than they do with the wants and needs of workers like themselves.
Genius. Negotiate every single member of staff's needs for wages, holidays, sick days, pensions, maternity leave, working hours, health and safety requirements, break times, transportation, dietary needs, insurance, etc, individually. Why has no one ever thought of this before??
US folks should watch this clip every weekend!
When they're not working.
Look to America if you want to see the impact of lack of no trade unions i.e. individualised bargaining in an industrialised nation
...and great productivity.
they have great holidays /s
@@agt155 slavery is productive
@@danteshydratshirt2360 Nope
@@agt155 Whose side are you on - the corporations? No parental leave, 14 days holiday after many years of employment, ability to sack without cause, terrible terms and conditions unless you are in the top 10%
"my contact will protect me" that contract being written to contain standards won by unions. this dude is desperate to go back to a time when kids died inside factories and chimneys and labourers suffered from rickets because they never got to spend time outside.
That´s what I call schooling someone
Why do some people think their word alone is enough to get the respect from companies and big businesses?
Because they think they are more important than they actually are. The amount of times I have heard people genuinely claim that the place would fall apart if they left is astonishing. They are also selfish though so many of them couldn't care less if other people are getting mistreated by their employer, bonus points if it makes them feel superior because they somehow lucked into a slightly better position.
@@Subjagator You're talking British exceptionalism here and you know where that's got us when the multiplier is 17.4 million.
The last Employment Contract that I signed had a clause buried in the middle of the smallprint that said:
"The Company reserve the right to change, alter or amend this contract at any time without prior notice."
In other words it was enforceable by the company whilst being worthless to me.
my favourite part is when they include lines like "and any other tasks deemed necessary" in job descriptions
The fact companies can change a contract when ever they want is despicable, as the works can't but the fact anyone actually has a contract theses days is like gold dust, as companies have found zero contracts are a gift from heaven to them, and people just fking except them .makes my blood boil
Otherwise known as so called 'flexibility agreements', which could turn a factory welder into the works loo cleaner.
Your should have crossed it out before signing it.
Murdoch has done such a number on the people of the English speaking world ...look at what swaths of us have become
How have we come to a situation , where working people are very happy to shoot themselves in the foot by denigrating the unions, and asking themselves what have they ever done for me? Let me tell you, minimum holiday and sickness entitlement, abolition of child labour, improved worker safety, improved parental leave among other things.