The Design Architect of the Line 6 Helix Tells All! - Silent Stage Episode 3, Eric Klein
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The Chief Product Design Architect for Yamaha Guitar Group, Eric Klein joins the stage to talk about all things Helix and the future of Line 6.
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***There is a drop in audio where I muted my question at **42:30**. I asked Eric if the old amps from the AxSys are still there, and how has the modeling process changed since then?***
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What I'd really love to see on 3.8 are
1) a comprehensively free MIDI mapping like with NDSP plug-ins. Snapshots are a useful compromise to what I'd prefer to be able to do, which is to modulate parameters directly by assigning them to a single MIDI control change to set them each to a specific value, then modulate them differently by assigning them yet again to another but same control change to set them each to a variant value.
2) whatever pitch tracking that allows for poly pitch effects to work to be able to be engaged so as to send out MIDI note messages with pitch, velocity and note on/off set by a signal threshold so we can play external synths/romplers, and this w/out having to take up a block,
3) being able to modulate between different models within a block via some command sent by footswitch or MIDI control change, just like we used to be able to with legacy L6 gear.
4) BPM-syncable LFO, 32 step analog sequencer, and ADSR envelop parameter modulators.
Wouldn't mind a Minimoog Model D synth (or maybe Minitaur), 1176LN, and Bass Microsynth models in there too with all the parameters.
Hell, I'd take #3 and 4 alone from here.
MIDI Control Mapping would be awesome
Eric, indeed Cliff is a genius, but so are you! Really appreciate the product you have produced.
Congrats Steve on getting and presenting such a great Interview with Eric Klein. I was totally interested in everything he had to say!
Here is a list of key features that I wish my "HX Stomp" had, and a number of features I don't use why and how to possibly make them usable. My guess is all of them can be done in Firmware and Software. I hope Eric has time to read the comments to your interview with him.
1. A 2nd Preset List: This would make it easier to have a Working/Gigging List of Presets, and a List for testing and experiments.
2. Looper Auto Sensing "setting" to start recording without having to press a button. This would make it easier to focus on the music.
3. Make Send/Return Jacks User Assignable so an Expression/Control Pedal could be plugged in for Volume/Wah/Parameters control. I never use the Send/Return Jacks.
4. NAM Profiles/IR Imports. I almost never use IRs, but probably would if NAM Profiles and Cab IRs could be imported. I suspect this could be a bit more complicated due to their different file structures. Perhaps this could be done in HX Edit. I don't have a clear understanding of how Line 6 Helix Architecture processes its own compatible IRs, and how much Parameter control is implemented in Hardware. I can imagine a possible generic set of "Virtual" Parameter Controls being used to modify things like Input, Volume, Bass, Middle, Treble Tones, Gain, Output.
I agree, the Capacitive Stomp Buttons make the Modeler extremely efficient and fast to use. Thanks
#1 definitely - an extra preset list would be invaluable when using HX Stomp for lots of live use with guitar, bass, keys
#2 nice idea
#3 also nice idea although suspect its not possible?
I suspect we won't get #4, but if its possible I hope they do it, as I've really enjoyed the TONEX and would be great to see a similar ecosystem of amp captures available in Helix world
I'd also love it if HX Stomp allowed >3 snapshots per preset, with the ability to load them via external footswitches
I'd also love a cycle between 3 values option for a footswitch, to help us make the most of the limited number of switches on the stop
If anyone from line 6 sees this PLEASE add a simple millisecond delay control to all the send/return blocks and split functions so we don't have to add a simple delay block to fixing phasing issues 🙏🙏🙏🙏 this saves a full block space and makes it easier to for instance do parallel saturation or compression with external digital effects 🙏🙏🙏
good idea! I second this
This is a fun watch!
Thank you bro! Have to have you on soon!
@@SteveSterlacci would love to!
I was playing with my helix a few years ago and was experimenting with what was on there. And I found the pedal edit mode. So I played with it and thought boy. This is great. Then I’d hear people complain about editing stuff and bending over on some of the videos. And I could scream at my computer saying why don’t you use pedal edit mode it’s awesome. My big hangup in the beginning was I didn’t realize on snapshots. She had to push down on the button to change the perimeter and the highlighted white. When I found that out, it was totally great after that and I love it all. And my other hangup was high cuts and low cuts. I didn’t understand why at first. But I’m 61 years old I live in a semi truck most of my life making a living and when I get home, I play with my helix. Lol I hear people complain about how bright the sound is. Well, my old two that was the problem. You could never get that mic up sound that the record sounded like with helix and all the other six I have I could get it with just a twist of a knob.so I’ve always loved line 6. And I really like you Steve because you actually go out and gig it and tell it like it is. Thanks for all you guys do. And what a great conversation.
Eric might be the most knowledgeable person on the planet about this particular subject. Always grateful to hear what he has to say!
Favorites are great. User Defaults are great. I just WISH they'd make it so you can easily convert an amp or preamp block into an Amp+Cab block and vice versa.
This would be a significant quality of life improvement in my opinion! Same for switching between mono/stereo versions of blocks. I wonder if it’s possible though. 🤔
This please.
Love the way Eric thinks. I like the discussion about "number of switches". Me being a singer/guitar player there is a limit to how much tap dancing you want to be doing during a song. Sorry I'm not Keith Urban-LOL! But for me there is a point where switches are too close. On stage with minimum lighting at times its too easy to hit the wrong button with one's foot.
up/down footswitches need to be out of the way.
You are a natural.Thanks for a great interview.
I'd love to see tone matching added to the Helix like the Axe Effects has. That would make the Helix finished/polished for me 🙂
This was great! Thanks Eric and Steve!
I used my Digitech gnx4 for at least 14 years and really liked it for plugging into house sound, now I have been using my Line six Helix floor for the last 4 years and absolutely love it. Just plug in the XRL cables and go. And it sounds great.
Great discussion Steve and Eric!
The biggest issue for me with Fractal is they should have a preference in the amp you check saying you want to see the 150 extra options that don't exist on the real product. To me, it just kind of begs for you to waste time tweaking. Line 6 is still king of UI. I hope Atomic makes an updated full size modeler again. Hotone and Valeton actually do a good job, especially for the price.
I'm surprised a company as big as Yamaha doesn't have better purchasing power to stave off the supply price jumps.
HX STOMP XL with Six Snapshots please!!!!! 🙏
All 8 snapshots on all pedals (accessible via midi if devices doesn’t have enough switches)
Good stuff. Love my Line 6 gear.
I've had my Helix since it came out. Still loving it. Had all the switches replaced out of necessity but other than that, it's been great. Very well thought out and engineered. I've listened to enough A B comparisons between Helix, Fractal... the difference to me is negligible.
Great episode !
Definitely agree with Eric Steve, you should get a BigSky 😂 I don't have the new one but I have 2 pedals that I can't get rid of even tho I play with a full Helix Floor, and that is the OG BigSky and my Eventide H9 😂
Hi Steve. Just wanted to say that I'm loving this series. Eric Klein is refreshingly honest. I love my Helix Floor and I agree that pedal edit is genius and incredibly underrated. All the best and thanks again from Ireland!
When companies continue to compare their products to Line 6 it’s a compliment so i buy thinks for function i bought the first axsys amp in my town i then bought the first helix floor in my town and i also bought a Kemper not because it’s better or worse its different .
Eric sounds just like Brian for Family Guy! Great interview. But I kept thinking of a dog talking about ditigal amps.
I see Eric Klein, I thumb it up👍
Still love and use my 1998 Line 6 AX2 (the Axsys 212 with a major firmware update). Once I programmed the built in eq for a live band situation, it killed. Todd Rundgren toured with his AX2 for many years until he was afraid it was no longer roadworthy.
I Still get compliments on my tone whenever I take it out. I can do most of a gig on the tweaked Matchless Chieftain preset, have a bank set up with variations of just that one. And it’s much lighter than a comparable size tube amp. Thirty something lbs. I use a Helix for recording.
I just got a HX Stomp Xl...love it
Please, please, guys, try to add a Naylor amp in helix.
Such a unique amp.
Try the Park amp!!
We need a Pultec trick effect!
Please give us XLR out and jack outs on blocks!! And a Sonic maximizer of sorts.
If they just made an LT that was 20% smaller, including the expression pedal, not only would i never need anything else, but it would sell like hotcakes, i use a quad cortex, it sux, but its small footprint, has a big screen, almost enough foot switches and enough dsp..... Line 6 could crush quad cortex if they just shrunk the LT down a little
Hey, Eric! Fix that foot switch design--the microswitches are garbage. Make the buttons so that they have 1 million presses without an issue and Helix will be unbeatable.
Clean them eventually, i have a helix floor thats been played since 2018 and its rock solid never ever failed, but i keep it clean and use contact cleaner on the switches.
@@Shekius I do clean them. But I shouldn't have to. Just like I've never cleaned contacts on any electric piano that I've owned. Cheap garbage design and perhaps a deliberate point of failure.
@@ericajohnson7535 I know what you mean, I cleaned it regularly but I had to open my helix twice to put grafite directly inside the foot switch to get better contact
Standard company cost saving@@ericajohnson7535
@@ericajohnson7535 this things are exposed to dirt, from the places we put them and also the shoes we use have sand and stuff that can go in the switches, even the expensive boutique pedals need mantenience, if you play a lot you should take care of them, i actually have a hx stomp that have a problem in one swtich, i started cleaning them regurarly and now its working without any problems.
PAINFUL HONESTY: There are a million guitar pedals and effects units but almost no real vocal effects units because none of them have really nailed some of the things singers actually need the most. Ironically, the crowd notices a bad vocal tone more than a "was this the exact way a 5150 would process that".
I would LOVE to help Line 6 solve this... because most of these musicians are still dependent on good singers, and ALL of the people in the audience are, as well. It's not about you. It's about the people who want to enjoy the show... even if the show is only performed for you or on your UA-cam channel.
The Voicelive 3 Extreme or Voicelice Play don't do it for you :)? What you missing
@Jonassonk they have a bit of everything... but still sound digitally processed. The VE-500 misses out on their compression (and pitch correction for those who want that) but both units have a good heavy pedal setup. Neither interface makes much sense for singers who are actual performers at most shows, though, or even much sense during band practice. I know how to design a more revolutionary but, frankly, usable interface.
Would love to see that interface! (like seriously) @@jamesdeananderson1411
37:42 Too bad there's a shortage of DSP lol.
The Helix is by far the most thought out all-in-one. I've had mine for 5 years and I'm still learning new tricks and features.
This was such an insightful interview! Thank you, Steve
I always love when Eric surfaces for an interview or some thread of posts online. Seems like a really nice guy, obviously brilliant, and undeniably professional. He can actually make you feel good about his saying "I can't tell you anything". But we learned the general timeframe for the next firmware update - that's something. Great vid Steve.
Thanks, Steve for having Eric on. Thanks, Eric, for all you do, from a POD through Helix owner, with a side of Variax.
Great interview. Awesome how you didn't call out NDSP explicitly. I would have :P
This is just a stab in the dark and cry for help for Eric lol Please make the HX FX have 6 Snapshots instead of 4 were you can just switch out of that mode like the HX Stomp. Thanks
I tried!
Now that’s a great non pandering, no upselling, musician focused interview. Awesome.
Really enjoyed this, Steve. Cemented my decision to go with a Helix product.
Also, the last few minutes are just wholesome AF ❤😊
This is awesome! By the way Steve Sterlacci made me a believer on joining the Helix world!
I have a Stomp and an HX One. I'd like a "Favorites" on the HX One. There's a handful of effects that just work. It makes it so much easier to design our own sounds.
Also I'd LOVE to see a real full blown complete "How To Tutorial" for each Helix model. As a person who's new to this & it's been around for years, there's not anything from Line 6 that's a full on run through.
Maybe just one big ass Tutorial per BIG models. One for the Helix, LT, Stomp and so on.
I sti don't know how to do anything major on mine. I keep getting lost all over. Everything from the setups to midi & creating blocks...it gets confusing to someone who's jumping in and wants it the product to be used right away within days rather than months or learning the system.
I definitely love the sounds! The Helix line is gold! 🤘🤘
Haha my first digital gear was an Alesis Quadraverb GT too. Didn't have a CLUE what I was doing with it, and yeah, it didn't sound great!
Will Helix ever get Electro Harmonic pedal type stuff?
absolutely! I'm a big amp guy and after a month with a helix floor and helix native the workflow is soo good I can never go back.
I switched over a week and a half ago after my cherry got popped with buying a POD HD500x. The tones I got from it for recording are better than most of the tube amps I've owned. The only amps I really liked for recording were an Uberschall and the Dual Rectifier reborn multiwatt. Everything else was great live, but I struggled with recording. Anyways, I took the HD500x out to a gig because I loved how good it was through headphones and sure-enough, it kicked ass straight into the PA. The sound guy just matched my levels and boom. we were done within 5 minutes. Took it to rehearsal a few days later and, same thing, I loved it. Even a/b'ed it with my Hughes and Kettner head and it was literally no different in feel and sound quality. I just upgraded from the HD500X to the Helix floor today as a result. I wish I would've skipped the bs 4 years ago.
I didn't know there were favourites?!?! 😮
HEY! No skipping ahead! LOL
...favorites.
@@Shadowcruise99 let the debate begin!
Hey, what can I say @SteveSterlacci, I'm a comment-as-I-watch kind of guy🤷♂️😁
@@Shadowcruise99 proper English is “favourites”……you must be american
I may be different on this. I use my helix and my fractal purely because of the pause on switching. I use an aby box to switch between.
Man, this is sooo great!
So happy you enjoyed it!
Great interview! Eric is a reference in the market. This is top notch content, Steve, way to go!
Eric is awesome. Thanks for doing the interview and sharing it with us!
I still have my AXS 212, original version. I used it until mid 2000’s.
I love the long form podcast! Thanks Steve. I recently purchased a Norland pedal and I’m in love with it. I now just use the norland into my Princeton and get all the tones I used to get with 5 different pedals. I have a video idea, why choose the norland over other pedals. Compare other popular gain pedals to the norland to see just how versatile this little beast is! I bought many pedals in the past, including the protein, odr, boutique tube screamers and klon clones and none can do what the norland can. Thanks for all the videos and I’m glad to hear your wife is on the mend. All the best.
The only thing I wish Native could do is turn on and off my wah like I can in the helix rack based on movement.
1. THAILAND: according to an older European guy who was carving one of my first electric guitar designs, a Thailand hospital will literally put your wife in your room, in her own bed next to yours.
2. I was just asked to sing for a rock cover band and we sound pretty freakishly accurate, thanks to two guitarists on their Helix floor units and a bassist on a Pod Pro. Really makes it fun.
(PRO TIP: Our drummer even picked up the new Alesis Strata Prime and his vocals dont have to compete with loud live snare or cymbals so we went in-ears and got better at harmonies.)
3. REALITY: Winners win. Creators create. Complainers complain. New innovation allows for new possibilities ... but only if you stop complaining long enough to actually UTILIZE the new thing.
I'm really hoping to see BPM-synced modulation rates of longer than one bar in the next update.... That would be great! Hint, hint....
I’m loving this podcast so much. One guy I think you should try to have on the podcast is Kurt Ballou from the band Converge. He’s a huge gear head, great producer and great guitarist and from interviews I’ve seen, seems to be loving the helix and has interesting views and opinions on it
Line 6 should acquier Fractal and pull from what they do well and combine with HX workflow. Doubt Cliff would ever do it but man than that'd be killer.
I had the AX212 and the Quadraverb GT. The amp was good and the GT was ok. I never knew about the floorboard sticking to the speakers. They should have put that in the pilot's guide.
I haven't heard another product, and I've heard, and own several, that's sounds so much better that I feel the need to replace my Helix. I mean, that's pretty amazing given the age. I'm lucky enough to be able to use whatever I want, and I'm still choosing to use Helix. Years later. Unbelievable in my opinion. It still sounds as good as anything out there in my opinion.
Really great interview!!!
Great Interview!! you could ask what the next product lol... I'm wanna buy Hx stomp xl, but I dont know if I should wait for the next product..
That was a really helpful discussion, Steve. I hope your wife gets better soon and that your dog thrives! We have three rescues so I'm always looking forward to hearing how your pup is doing.
What!?! Victoria, BC!!! That's where I live! A tour would be so cool!
I want more footswitches - and modular expression pedals
don't tell us that they call you hair ric Mr Klein ;)
Fantastic interview with EK. Thank you so much for this. Keep it up
Bring back the mic input!
Steve I really want to see how you use the Helix in live situations. I love the tips and the product reviews, but live use would be great since you are touring thru the end of the year.
(Edit) I guess I just saw your touring video so I guess you are not using the Helix on this tour. Still live video would be cool.
Hey Michael! I am still using my HX stomp XL. I have a few videos from previous tours of me using Helix all over though!
Fascinating and fun, thanks for this.
Great episode Steve!
Love Eric!!!
Hi Steve! Hope your well. This video makes the perfect occasion for asking about a trouble that I'm finding in ly workflow with snapshots. You see, for a few projects I use my Helix LT to run a PAD sound that I make out of a 3 note Generator, and assign different chors to different snapshots, while making guitar chords or phrases on top of that. My problem is that I cannot find a way of chaning the guitar sound like a channel A to B for example or switching between amps, while I change my snapshots (chords of the pad) because In Helix we have only 2 different behaviors for when we change snapshots. Weather its discard or recall snapshots it only affects them separetely I mean if you make a change in snapshot 2 for example, go to snap 3 and then go back snap 2 there it is the option to recall or discard the changes, but not in relation between all. I also thought that I could try 2 amps to make like a clean and rhythm sound and assign a stomp switch for both to bypass one and turn on the other but I encounter that there is no way to avoid bypass being also controlled by snapshot changes.
I'd be very graterful if you find a way that I could make that work without having to reduce DSP and start doubling my presets for that particular use so I have 3 Note Gen + Clean (all the chords) and other 3 Note Gen + Rhythm (all the chords)..
Thanks for reading. Take care!
Something that can be improved upon....the simple pitch effect. It's pretty close to doing what we intend to use it for (digital capo, downtuning, etc), but glitches out just enough to make it not QUITE fully there yet. If they can get it fully polyphonic without any latency, good Lord will that feature be killer. I tune to D standard and when I go to jam with others, I'd like to be able to pitch my signal up to E so I don't have to tune. Or, sometimes I wanna have 7 string sounds without buying a 7 string.
DI \m/
Sadly, no support from Line 6 for Linux users yet. As it's probably not financially viable for Line 6 to do this, I'm thinking of trying to make a basic HX Edit style program compatible with Linux myself. Are there any resources available for such an endeavour? e.g. USB endpoint listings with value ranges etc.
I love my Helix but like my Fractal FM9 better. Helix is not as deep but that is a plus for some. Helix is catching up to Fractal while keeping it simple. Competition keeps each company putting out better gear.
Helix favourites don't seem to store footswitch assignment for me....
Eric. Totally with you with Favorites. What would be equally helpful is to have favorite presets that can be referenced in different sets without needing to make a copy. So you can keep an area for experimenting and simply point to the preset in whatever location makes sense.
With the Hx Stomp XL….Would be great to be able to assign the mode and tuner switches to any of the other switches. Having those current mode and switches as either stomp/snapshot/preset switches would be amazing.
For the next Helix or a future update, I'd like a signal path on/off; using volume works but it's a bit sloppy and sometimes the slope is audible.
Thanks so much!!! for all the amps & Fx. We have more than enough imo. Can we pleeeeeezzz... finally get a 4th snap for the Stomp?🙌
Please please please model a Saturator distortion pedal!!!!
If the HX Stomp XL had XLR I'd convert from Floor, use a smaller board with some extra pedals. The no XLR for me kills it.
You know you can use a TRS -> XLR adapter and continue using your XLR cables, right? Except for adding a new point of connection and failure, it is going to work the same way as if it had native XLR outputs
stereo passive di box fixes that issue
Output is balanced. My bassist uses a TRS/XLR adapter to use an XLR cable from his Stomp XL to the mixer.
Why not use TRS > XLR M cables?
I got myself Pod Go, and it has balanced outs! In my opinion, this is a great product, cheaper, better, all-in-one than the Stomp / Stomp XL. When I don't need to have all the footswitches, Pod Go suits my needs perfectly. If the footswitches were not cheap garbage, it'd be a perfect product.
This is was a great video. Thanks man. I enjoyed it a lot.
I still want a music man hd 130 on the helix
Never take 34:32 out of context.
I'm so ready for version 2 of Helix, whenever that may be!
I started out on the Flood Pod, Pod HD Rack, HX Stomp, Hx Effects, Native and now a Helix LT.
More DSP in the next version is going to be a game changer. I now build presets with two amps (one high gain, one clean w/ separate cabs) and run out of DSP pretty quickly for FX through my snapshots. I love the favorites function as well! Gapless switching would be an excellent addition as well.
I will be waiting for the next Helix and not buying any other modeler. The UI is the best in my opinion.
The Laney Ironheart and Engl Savage would be excellent high gain additions!
I agree with you. I know there's a large crowd out there who think this Helix is fine and nothing needs to change and that's great for them. But I think the next one could be absolutely amazing. More DSP for sure, more ram, more memory. They need to look at some of the things Headrush is doing and pull some inspiration from that. I did a small wedding gig and it was awesome being able to put backing tracks on my Headrush MX5. My $1700 dollar Helix...nope. So I was kinda forced to use another product that served my needs even though I'd have rather used my Helix. Headrush is doing good things, but their lack of support absolutely kills their products.
@@PocketDelicious Headrush is still supporting products. If you want a new amp every month that is not going to happen. Keep your eyes and ears open to future developments.
@@DoctorMcFarlandStudios For sure. Not expecting a new amp every month lol. A desktop editor would be nice though. Even Sonicake has one.
@@PocketDelicious oh yes I am well aware. I am reviewing the Sonicake unit and its pretty cool for what it is. Having a Headrush Bluetooth app to control the unit would be amazing. The new app for the TMP is so good and useful.
Cool nice job
I was hoping to hear a question about a new pedalboard.
Not allowed to talk about it yet but there are various hints about direction and decisions
No questions about a future Line 6 floorboard.
He is not allowed to talk about it. There are a few allusions to what they are going to stick with and not do moving forward. If you read between the lines, there are some hints!
@@SteveSterlacci he said they're working on a new firmware update--3.8. So that means that Helix 2 is not coming out till next year at the very least. He also said there's no need for more power, etc. So in short -- Helix is the "perfect" product that doesn't need to change any time soon. But of course we know that there are things that can definitely be improved upon.
The one feature that I wish my Helix had was minimal water resistance. I just had my Helix fry itself for the second time due to a wee bit of rain making it past a potentiometer shaft and frying the circuit board underneath. Come on guys. These get used in the real world with people on the dance floor spilling drinks (first death) and outdoor gigs with rain (second death). Time to ship it to CA and have the main board and God knows what else replaced again (another ~$400 repair bill). Sigh... I bought a Tonex ONE as a backup.
Unfortunately, this is going to get worse. Many companies are putting ARM processors in their products which require lots of venting or worse, fans and venting.
Calling BS on the prices lol. Sure, maybe they've gone up, but not that much. Unlless they are putting in graphics cards, then I'm skeptical lol.
But some of the newer ones ARE in fact easier to use. Evolution is important and essential.
I think Eric addresses this really well and discusses where work needs to be done! He says theres "a little hump" in the beginning of the HX learning curve that they're working on
Don't forget most of the line 6 users are touring pros so that THEY need comes first before what a hobby bedroom player might need.
In terms of the layout... why are the up/down buttons right next to everything else? Makes no sense.
Can anyone tell me how to lock the HXStomp XLmenu and joystick buttons so they don’t activate them if I accidentally tap them?
there's no way to lock anything. It is what it is. Use button toppers, put cursor into the corner, that's all you can do. I wish there were a way to lock the whole unit, like other keyboards/processors do it.
Damn snapshots! The underlying issue for needing more snapshots is instant preset recall. Just ‘solve’ that please.
I ask for years for custom scales on the pitch block. Never happened
Interesting that you talk about the touch capacitance. I'm not sure why, but it was causing my Helix to go haywire, randomly switching between blocks in the display. Which was REALLY annoying when trying to edit a patch. I thought about putting in a repair order, but just turned the feature off since I don't really use it anyway. It still pops up now and then, but much less often.
Why on earth did they not put a DI output in the Stomp?
Answer incoming shortly if that's where you're at! Lol
@@SteveSterlacciLol, yeah 🤣