I do bladesmithing in my spare time, and the fa jing principle works for striking with the hammer as well. My wife and daughter both noticed the difference in the sound when I started using tai chi energy instead of muscle to move the hammer.
Thanks for the video. It reminds me of a conversation I had with your dad over e-mail more years ago than I care to remember regarding practicing fa-jing. I was having issues with the technique making my head hurt when it was practiced. After talking with him and eventually a response from you too. I went back and tried to examine slowly what the issue was. I realized that I was trying to progress to quickly and wasn't keeping proper alignment or properly relaxing doing the technique. It ended up creating a wave that would travel up my neck and jar my brain. It is a good example of exactly what you are saying. Trying it too soon without a proper foundation can be harmful to your progress.
Loved your video. Needed that information, I'm learning so much more lately. I was being impatient about learning this art. You'd think I'd know better because I do Yoga . Yoga is great exercise but it's also dangerous if your a beginner and if you don't know where to start and how to modify the poses. Thanks again. Clara's a real sweetheart.
Makes totaly sense, never thought about it this way. I just knew, even if I try to do Fajing, I am not capable yet after some time learning Taiji, so I just punch more or less. Thanks for opening my mind a bit wider 🙂🙏👍
This is definitely a lesson I had to teach younger students this as well as had to learn myself over the years about internal arts and push hands. You hit the nail on the head with that bit about tension! Nice commentary!
The wave and whipping came to me as a natural progression from doing forms and what not. You can't just learn these movements as a technique. You plant a seed, the flower will grow. It happens like that.
In the karate system I used to practise, the whipping punch was introduced from 2nd Dan black belt and some got it right after a year of practise! So I agree with you, learn the normal strikes first.
Great video Eli, however, only for your late Dad I would have never heard of fa jing especially living here in Donegal, Ireland back in the early eighties. I remember trying so hard to get it or the concept of it. I never could! even though my students some of them could long before myself. That was a humbling experience, so I continue to follow my destiny of healing the sick. Then some years later I started teaching people about energy and healing as this was the only way I could get the message across to them! was true the Martial systems.as I had studied several of these systems Taiji, ju jitsu,karate and kung fu. Then one day it just came to me, I could do fa jing naturally then as I could do the healing. So now some 30 years on I teach both as I understand that the two systems are inseparable,, it's all energy and the use of energy. So I teach people about energy and heating through the Martial system Qigong, Taiji, ju jitsu, kung fu and fa jing, what ever happens on the night, I call my style, the old man and the walking stick, even though I'm a young 64 old, I love teaching however, I'm busy these days with healing, Namaste🙏
Reviewing for physics exam and stumbled to this video at 3am, thanks to recomended. Everything makes sense given what my professor mentioned about impulse, "It is the change in time that kills people from falling." Fajin, from what you explained, is shortening the time of change in momentum to maximize the experienced force. Its all theoretical and my own opinion tho, i could be wrong.
sorry this incorrect. Fa-Jing is an expansion of the sphere in 3 dimensions. So there is oppositional movement; hands forward body back for output or hands back body forward to have pulling energy "fa-jing' At least your thought of throwing it out for beginners is correct. It will never develop properly without the proper references. You can't keep practicing the same thing and hope something else comes out of it.
I would agree with everything you just said, this is how I do Fa-jing. can't remember now what I was talking about in this particular video, so I'm not sure why you think I'm not doing this. There are two main ways I would do it, one is like you explained, the other is the same thing but with a twist, instead of moving the body forward and backward, lets say I'm doing a right handed punch, I turn my body to the left, then as the hand makes contact with the target, the body turns back to the right, causing the same effect.
@@taichiworld Sorry , I didn't mean for you to misunderstand.....When you were describing the whole pulling the body back at the last minute idea that is what we do not do. It is just an expansion without violating YIN/YANG even at the POC. The way you described it as well as demonstrated how beginners cancel out their own power by oppositionally moving just seemed like you are doing the same thing just more coordinated, which in my view is not correct fajin. If you do it like how I described it then, my mistake, I misunderstood your post. I do appreciate you bringing up certain things your father said was not quite accurate.....I knew a lot of people that followed your father back in the day, and there were inconsistencies that we could exactly see because we were beginners ouirselves. It wasn['t until later we realized it was not quite correct. Props to your dad however to spread the art.
Perfectly fine explanation for why Western Boxers and MMA adepts crush allegedly experienced TCMA proponents. Authentic TCMA is of the "throw you in the deep end and either learn to swim or drown" mindset. It's often times brutal and it's not for everyone. Then again, art is not for the masses.
A good strike should have a similar effect as a bullet. People don't fly back through a window or whatever when they get shot; the bullet is so small and traveling so fast that it passes right through you. The energy from a strike should do the same thing. It amuses me watching people work a heavy bag and having it swing around; i stopped trying to explain that that means they're pushing it around a long time ago. Making a heavy bag jump but not swing is an indication that you're doing it right. Parallel to that is not skimming the bag. Back in my training days i could make the bag jump and dance rapid fire with bare knuckles for like 5-10 minutes without skinning them up at all.
To be fair, many of us who bought your dad's Fa-jing videos had already been in the hard physical arts for years before coming over to the soft side. Fa-jing was an absolute game changer!
People need to start naming their versions of fajing because everyone is doing a different thing and calling it "fajing". There's a video of Yang-style fajin on UA-cam and it's mechanics are very different from this and it's also very different from what the Chen-style does (Yang originally learned only the Chen-style and that has been lost over the generations). It would be helpful if people just labeled their versions because it's very confusing to beginners.
what I don't understand is that I naturally understood 'fa jin' from the beginning, I am lacking in the yielding, listening abilities. I've always been able to run fast, I smash a ball, and I can hit hard as F, but I lack in the ability to use softness. To me it isn't the pinnacle, I'd much rather be able to listen and redirect than hit hard.
@@taichiworld Interesting, I see what you are saying :) It's a frustrating thing, for me, I so desperately want that 'skill', I think it's really cool and fun to play around with. I was studying for a while with a teacher, life got in the way and I stopped my practice, I've recently reconnected and gone back to my study. I've been able to use a little of skill when play wrestling or light sparring, but I lack the skill completely as the intensity ramps up. Of course I can still strike, but that's not what I want to do, I don't want to be able to hit and hurt, that is the easy part right? I had a friend that was a pretty good wrestler, and I could neutralise his grappling attempts pretty decently up to a certain level of intensity, but then he could ramp it up and overwhelm me. Same with a friend that knows a little Wing Chun, he could increase the level of intensity to where my softness broke down. All I could do at that point is break contact and strike from a distance. The real cool stuff is being able to be in the heart of that, not be overwhelmed and still be able to yield and maintain balance and control without freaking out and being pushed around. I suck at it, basically, I'm too soft up to a point of being rag dolled around, then the only option I have is to be explosive. I haven't found out exactly how much the the '4 ounces' is that can move the 1000 pounds. I suspect I'm not using quite enough, I need to be a little more assertive, finding that extra little bit without using force or tension is the skill
@@Tasmanaut yeah the thing is not to try and be totally soft all the time. It’s about having a balance of soft and hard. The only time I’m ever seen someone be able to use only softness is where they are fighting someone with far less skill and or strength. Picture someone like Ali, where he slips and weaves every punch, the other guy can’t even touch him. But this only happens when he is the more skilled boxed by a large quantity. When he then fights an equal opponent, even he has to sometimes revert to covering up, blocking etc.
@@taichiworld it seems that balance is the real skill. I know I need to add more hardness and power, having crossed hands with my wing chun friend, but it's knowing how much is the trick. Hey, thanks for responding, I used to watch your dad's videos yeas ago when I started my little journey, I almost forgot his name, but I knew it was some fellow Aussie, found your channel by chance. He certainly wasn't afraid to tread his own path and I got a lot out of his tutorials on striking, it was one of the first things I came across. It's awesome that you've absorbed his knowledge and carried it on. It's kind of like you say in this video, him teaching 'fa-jing' was almost a mistake... I learned how to do it but it's not really the most important thing. I wonder if you know my teacher or his teacher's teachers? Darren Cox is my guy, John Hartley and Roman Czerniawsky are his teachers, they come from the Cheng Man Ching lineage. I don't really care about any of that stuff and I've only recently come back from a hiatus, but just curious if those names mean anything to you.
I would say shake is a better term than vibrate. Fajing causes a lot of force with less follow through, so, the bag is more likely to shake rather than swing. It does depend a n the bag as well though. A really light bag will still swing.
Not sure I would blame novices trying to take on way more than they can handle on your father just because he provided this information. Maybe he could've made it clearer that it's not exactly entry level stuff, but then again, don't most people learn the Yang Cheng Fu style first anyway? That's where I started, and by the time I was learning the Yang Lu'chan form, I had trained Taiji for 20 years, and also been in other martial arts clubs. So for me it was the perfect time to learn Fa- Jing and introduce it into my training. I understand what you mean, but I don't quite agree. People have to take some responsibility themselves and use their brains.
Well it was two fold really. Yes of course many students chose to buy the wrong videos and learn too fast, but dad definitely played his part. Back in your day he taught the basics first, from the late 90s he made a decision for all students to only learn ylc. I totally agree with this, there is no reason for the average person to learn ycf, as long as you leave out the fajing in ylc. The two forms share exactly the same way of moving, one is not more advance than the other, they can both be done totally basic right the way through to advance. But also with the fighting stuff, back in the 80s dad taught people how to punch, but then he got obsessed with fajing, only teaching that. To the point that on self defence a to z, a video series clearly aimed at beginners, he's teaching fajing as the first way to strike. This is not to be disrespectful to my dad, he was human, we all make mistakes, to treat him as something more than that is to disrespect his memory, this is why I'll point out these things so we all learn in a better way. I actually noticed this recently, that those who learnt from dad in the 80s have a far greater base than those who learn from him in the 90s onwards. Thanks for your input 👍
@@taichiworld Thanks for your reply, Eli. I understand you better now, and you obviously have much better insight into your father's thinking and history than me. When you put it into especially the historical timeframe, I find myself agreeing with you. Learning advanced techniques without a solid base it a waste. I suppose that explains your current drive to focus on basics as well. And we should all take time once in a while to re- examine our base. Keep up your good work, my good man!
I would have to disagree my freind, because some people are very internal to begin with and can do fajing straight away, in fact if I didn't know about fajing I wouldn't have progressed so quick in my taiji training because the movements wouldn't have made sense at all without the fajing.
I've seen a lot of people say things like this, so far everything it turns out they are not doing fajing at all. But of course there's always the exception to the rule. Its very rare though, so my point here applies to 99.9% of people. Of course if I see someone who has the potential then I wouldn't tell them to stop doing fajing.
Hey Harry high pants, Yang family fajin is a wave of song that moves through the body, this would be more like Chen style fajin which is debatable if it is Taiji at all
@@taichiworld no I am talking about where the power moves through the body in a wave of song, not an external body mechanic. I am not saying you’re method isn’t powerful, but it isn’t authentic Yang family fajin. More like Chen style
@@taichiworld ua-cam.com/video/T3Kx8wpkaQE/v-deo.htmlsi=-uZzosqbgSWkEkHt So this is Yang family fajin, can’t be seen from the outside hence the word internal
@@taichiworld ua-cam.com/video/SVIT9EGWbdQ/v-deo.htmlsi=1PbLCoMzC5j064cX This is Chen style fajin, which is sort of what your doing. Can be seen from the outside which is why some people debate that it’s an internal style of Taiji
I don't agree that Erle made a mistake teaching fajing. Firstly, he made a point that to learn the Old Yang form, one should spend at least 2 years learning a softer form. He then explained that in older times, it would take 6 years to learn the Old Yang form. The problem still is and was in your Dad's time, we as people and students are all impatient.
A combination of the two. Yes he said your should have done ycf before ylc, back in the 80s and 90, but then he started telling everyone to skip ycf. Again back in the 80s he taught basic striking, but from about the mid 90s onwards he was only teach fajing as a way of striking. Self defence A to Z is a great example of this, total and complete basics, like almost too basic, quite clearly aimed at the total novice, all the defensive work, distance and timing, but as soon as he started talking about striking it was all fajing, totally useless to a beginner. Even when he taught me in a very strict every morning class when I was a child, more time was spent on getting the yin and yang of the hands right rather than basic posture. This is not me having a go at dad, he went through so many different phases, trying out different ways of teaching, some of these phases made great breakthroughs, others where scrapped. My father just like anyone was nit perfect, he was one of the most brilliant and inventive people that lived, but he was far from perfect. He never wanted to be remembered as perfect, he never wanted to be put up on a pedestal. To not acknowledge his mistakes, is to disrespect his legacy, because only by seeing him as human can we really learn and understand what he was teaching.
@@taichiworld I was a student of the 80s / 90s and by keeping the YCF form as part of my regular schedule means I do not agree with everything Erle did all the time. None of us are perfect. Him, you or me. The point I was trying to make, and probably badly, is the student also has to take responsibility. Erle's 2nd video teaches Fajing as part of the YLC form. There is nothing preventing the beginning student who has never even done Taiji previously going straight into YLC and without personal supervision, this could lead to lots of errors. There needs to be some form of self discipline and onus on the individual to start from the bottom. You are right though with regards Erle dropping the YCF form as I do not remember him teaching it in the classes I attended from early 2000's. Once after a workshop in the 90s sometime, he returned home to Australia and sent me YLC to the Max V1 and V2 as a gift which indicates he was definitely focusing on 100% YLC back then. Thanks for your reply.
@@szenge2902 yes I guess you could see the t that way. People thinking they are ready to do something even if their teacher says they are not. But a lot of the time it is the teachers fault for not making it more clear.
@@taichiworld basics are important, I'm not going to refute that, and that isn't what I was referring to as mc-dojo type shit. But for someone who claims the importance of basics you either discount or display a lack of many important ones. Eg. Returning to your guard quickly, heavily telegraphing strikes, guard is very low, among other things. Though I've only done Muay Thai and Kickboxing for 2 and 1 years respectively, so I may be missing other mistakes or inconsistencies.
@@brightside2718 sounds to me like you have one idea of what is "correct" A low guard is not incorrect, for Muay Thai is might be, but not for mma for example. Having your hands in front of your face with out gloves on does not help you. We tend to keep our guard with hands around neck height. The other two, bringing hands back to guard and telegraphing, yes I am doing these things in the video, because I'm showing that you need to just hit the thing first, before looking at any technical stuff, just get used to hitting the bag. I'm about to upload another video in face explaining this very point of bringing your hands back to guard as quickly as possible, then I have another video where I'll be explaining why we should not be hitting with full force most of the time, with telegraphing being one of the main reasons. So yeah just remember that different styles are for different reasons. Muay Thai is a sport, there are loads of things in Muay Thai that I or any street fighting stylist would regard as being incorrect. This does not mean they are bad techniques, only that they are designed to work in a certain environment. If your opponent is only allowed to punch and kick you, your stance and movement is going to be different than if he is allowed to take you to the floor. Or how you stand will be different if your opponent is allowed to attack your groin, I think you get my point.
I do bladesmithing in my spare time, and the fa jing principle works for striking with the hammer as well. My wife and daughter both noticed the difference in the sound when I started using tai chi energy instead of muscle to move the hammer.
Saw your dad's videos 20 years ago. Hope he's still with us and doing well. Love the no nonsense, clear exposition.
@@user-ph2jf4ji1j thanks mate.
Dad died 13 years ago actually, his teachings are still going strong though 👍
@@taichiworld Sorry to hear about his passing. Glad to hear and see that his legacy is alive and strong.
Thanks for the video. It reminds me of a conversation I had with your dad over e-mail more years ago than I care to remember regarding practicing fa-jing. I was having issues with the technique making my head hurt when it was practiced. After talking with him and eventually a response from you too. I went back and tried to examine slowly what the issue was. I realized that I was trying to progress to quickly and wasn't keeping proper alignment or properly relaxing doing the technique. It ended up creating a wave that would travel up my neck and jar my brain. It is a good example of exactly what you are saying. Trying it too soon without a proper foundation can be harmful to your progress.
You seem like a good dad ❤️❤️❤️
Loved your video. Needed that information, I'm learning so much more lately. I was being impatient about learning this art. You'd think I'd know better because I do Yoga . Yoga is great exercise but it's also dangerous if your a beginner and if you don't know where to start and how to modify the poses. Thanks again. Clara's a real sweetheart.
Makes totaly sense, never thought about it this way. I just knew, even if I try to do Fajing, I am not capable yet after some time learning Taiji, so I just punch more or less. Thanks for opening my mind a bit wider 🙂🙏👍
This is definitely a lesson I had to teach younger students this as well as had to learn myself over the years about internal arts and push hands. You hit the nail on the head with that bit about tension! Nice commentary!
Your Dad's books taught me about Fa Jing and also stomach 25 Fa Ting 😅
The wave and whipping came to me as a natural progression from doing forms and what not. You can't just learn these movements as a technique. You plant a seed, the flower will grow. It happens like that.
Absolutely true - can’t be taught, it comes when the body is ready
In the karate system I used to practise, the whipping punch was introduced from 2nd Dan black belt and some got it right after a year of practise! So I agree with you, learn the normal strikes first.
Great video Eli, however, only for your late Dad I would have never heard of fa jing especially living here in Donegal, Ireland back in the early eighties. I remember trying so hard to get it or the concept of it.
I never could! even though my students some of them could long before myself. That was a humbling experience,
so I continue to follow my destiny of healing the sick.
Then some years later I started teaching people about energy and healing as this was the only way I could get the message across to them! was true the Martial systems.as I had studied several of these systems Taiji, ju jitsu,karate and kung fu.
Then one day it just came to me, I could do fa jing naturally then as I could do the healing. So now some 30 years on I teach both as I understand that the two systems are inseparable,, it's all energy and the use of energy. So I teach people about energy and heating through the Martial system Qigong, Taiji, ju jitsu, kung fu and fa jing, what ever happens on the night, I call my style, the old man and the walking stick, even though I'm a young 64 old, I love teaching however, I'm busy these days with healing, Namaste🙏
Reviewing for physics exam and stumbled to this video at 3am, thanks to recomended. Everything makes sense given what my professor mentioned about impulse, "It is the change in time that kills people from falling." Fajin, from what you explained, is shortening the time of change in momentum to maximize the experienced force.
Its all theoretical and my own opinion tho, i could be wrong.
Yeah thats absolutely right mate 👍
sorry this incorrect. Fa-Jing is an expansion of the sphere in 3 dimensions. So there is oppositional movement; hands forward body back for output or hands back body forward to have pulling energy "fa-jing'
At least your thought of throwing it out for beginners is correct.
It will never develop properly without the proper references. You can't keep practicing the same thing and hope something else comes out of it.
I would agree with everything you just said, this is how I do Fa-jing. can't remember now what I was talking about in this particular video, so I'm not sure why you think I'm not doing this.
There are two main ways I would do it, one is like you explained, the other is the same thing but with a twist, instead of moving the body forward and backward, lets say I'm doing a right handed punch, I turn my body to the left, then as the hand makes contact with the target, the body turns back to the right, causing the same effect.
@@taichiworld Sorry , I didn't mean for you to misunderstand.....When you were describing the whole pulling the body back at the last minute idea that is what we do not do. It is just an expansion without violating YIN/YANG even at the POC.
The way you described it as well as demonstrated how beginners cancel out their own power by oppositionally moving just seemed like you are doing the same thing just more coordinated, which in my view is not correct fajin. If you do it like how I described it then, my mistake, I misunderstood your post.
I do appreciate you bringing up certain things your father said was not quite accurate.....I knew a lot of people that followed your father back in the day, and there were inconsistencies that we could exactly see because we were beginners ouirselves. It wasn['t until later we realized it was not quite correct. Props to your dad however to spread the art.
Perfectly fine explanation for why Western Boxers and MMA adepts crush allegedly experienced TCMA proponents. Authentic TCMA is of the "throw you in the deep end and either learn to swim or drown" mindset. It's often times brutal and it's not for everyone. Then again, art is not for the masses.
A good strike should have a similar effect as a bullet. People don't fly back through a window or whatever when they get shot; the bullet is so small and traveling so fast that it passes right through you. The energy from a strike should do the same thing. It amuses me watching people work a heavy bag and having it swing around; i stopped trying to explain that that means they're pushing it around a long time ago. Making a heavy bag jump but not swing is an indication that you're doing it right. Parallel to that is not skimming the bag. Back in my training days i could make the bag jump and dance rapid fire with bare knuckles for like 5-10 minutes without skinning them up at all.
I agree 100% that’s exactly what I teach 👍
To be fair, many of us who bought your dad's Fa-jing videos had already been in the hard physical arts for years before coming over to the soft side. Fa-jing was an absolute game changer!
Yeah of course, people like you I would not call beginners 😁
People need to start naming their versions of fajing because everyone is doing a different thing and calling it "fajing". There's a video of Yang-style fajin on UA-cam and it's mechanics are very different from this and it's also very different from what the Chen-style does (Yang originally learned only the Chen-style and that has been lost over the generations). It would be helpful if people just labeled their versions because it's very confusing to beginners.
Yes absolutely 👍
what I don't understand is that I naturally understood 'fa jin' from the beginning, I am lacking in the yielding, listening abilities. I've always been able to run fast, I smash a ball, and I can hit hard as F, but I lack in the ability to use softness. To me it isn't the pinnacle, I'd much rather be able to listen and redirect than hit hard.
@@Tasmanaut you’re correct. But, I didn’t say it was the pinnacle of fighting, I said it was the pinnacle of striking.
@@taichiworld Interesting, I see what you are saying :) It's a frustrating thing, for me, I so desperately want that 'skill', I think it's really cool and fun to play around with.
I was studying for a while with a teacher, life got in the way and I stopped my practice, I've recently reconnected and gone back to my study. I've been able to use a little of skill when play wrestling or light sparring, but I lack the skill completely as the intensity ramps up. Of course I can still strike, but that's not what I want to do, I don't want to be able to hit and hurt, that is the easy part right?
I had a friend that was a pretty good wrestler, and I could neutralise his grappling attempts pretty decently up to a certain level of intensity, but then he could ramp it up and overwhelm me. Same with a friend that knows a little Wing Chun, he could increase the level of intensity to where my softness broke down. All I could do at that point is break contact and strike from a distance. The real cool stuff is being able to be in the heart of that, not be overwhelmed and still be able to yield and maintain balance and control without freaking out and being pushed around.
I suck at it, basically, I'm too soft up to a point of being rag dolled around, then the only option I have is to be explosive. I haven't found out exactly how much the the '4 ounces' is that can move the 1000 pounds. I suspect I'm not using quite enough, I need to be a little more assertive, finding that extra little bit without using force or tension is the skill
@@Tasmanaut yeah the thing is not to try and be totally soft all the time.
It’s about having a balance of soft and hard.
The only time I’m ever seen someone be able to use only softness is where they are fighting someone with far less skill and or strength.
Picture someone like Ali, where he slips and weaves every punch, the other guy can’t even touch him.
But this only happens when he is the more skilled boxed by a large quantity.
When he then fights an equal opponent, even he has to sometimes revert to covering up, blocking etc.
@@taichiworld it seems that balance is the real skill. I know I need to add more hardness and power, having crossed hands with my wing chun friend, but it's knowing how much is the trick. Hey, thanks for responding, I used to watch your dad's videos yeas ago when I started my little journey, I almost forgot his name, but I knew it was some fellow Aussie, found your channel by chance. He certainly wasn't afraid to tread his own path and I got a lot out of his tutorials on striking, it was one of the first things I came across. It's awesome that you've absorbed his knowledge and carried it on. It's kind of like you say in this video, him teaching 'fa-jing' was almost a mistake... I learned how to do it but it's not really the most important thing. I wonder if you know my teacher or his teacher's teachers? Darren Cox is my guy, John Hartley and Roman Czerniawsky are his teachers, they come from the Cheng Man Ching lineage. I don't really care about any of that stuff and I've only recently come back from a hiatus, but just curious if those names mean anything to you.
@@Tasmanaut yeah no worries mate.
I have heard of John Hartley, but not met him.
Enjoy your training.
If you are doing fajing correctly does the punching bag vibrate ?
I would say shake is a better term than vibrate.
Fajing causes a lot of force with less follow through, so, the bag is more likely to shake rather than swing.
It does depend a n the bag as well though.
A really light bag will still swing.
Not sure I would blame novices trying to take on way more than they can handle on your father just because he provided this information. Maybe he could've made it clearer that it's not exactly entry level stuff, but then again, don't most people learn the Yang Cheng Fu style first anyway? That's where I started, and by the time I was learning the Yang Lu'chan form, I had trained Taiji for 20 years, and also been in other martial arts clubs. So for me it was the perfect time to learn Fa- Jing and introduce it into my training. I understand what you mean, but I don't quite agree. People have to take some responsibility themselves and use their brains.
Well it was two fold really.
Yes of course many students chose to buy the wrong videos and learn too fast, but dad definitely played his part.
Back in your day he taught the basics first, from the late 90s he made a decision for all students to only learn ylc.
I totally agree with this, there is no reason for the average person to learn ycf, as long as you leave out the fajing in ylc.
The two forms share exactly the same way of moving, one is not more advance than the other, they can both be done totally basic right the way through to advance.
But also with the fighting stuff, back in the 80s dad taught people how to punch, but then he got obsessed with fajing, only teaching that.
To the point that on self defence a to z, a video series clearly aimed at beginners, he's teaching fajing as the first way to strike.
This is not to be disrespectful to my dad, he was human, we all make mistakes, to treat him as something more than that is to disrespect his memory, this is why I'll point out these things so we all learn in a better way.
I actually noticed this recently, that those who learnt from dad in the 80s have a far greater base than those who learn from him in the 90s onwards.
Thanks for your input 👍
@@taichiworld Thanks for your reply, Eli. I understand you better now, and you obviously have much better insight into your father's thinking and history than me. When you put it into especially the historical timeframe, I find myself agreeing with you. Learning advanced techniques without a solid base it a waste. I suppose that explains your current drive to focus on basics as well. And we should all take time once in a while to re- examine our base. Keep up your good work, my good man!
Hi i think this is one of the most misunderstood concept . Thank you for pointing it .
Real Tai Chi is Martial Art , 發勁nothing wrong!
I would have to disagree my freind, because some people are very internal to begin with and can do fajing straight away, in fact if I didn't know about fajing I wouldn't have progressed so quick in my taiji training because the movements wouldn't have made sense at all without the fajing.
I've seen a lot of people say things like this, so far everything it turns out they are not doing fajing at all.
But of course there's always the exception to the rule.
Its very rare though, so my point here applies to 99.9% of people.
Of course if I see someone who has the potential then I wouldn't tell them to stop doing fajing.
The fact that you stopped everything and got your daughter her luggage made me follow your channel.
Yep she and her baby sister come first 100% 🙂
Hey Harry high pants, Yang family fajin is a wave of song that moves through the body, this would be more like Chen style fajin which is debatable if it is Taiji at all
Are you referring to the energy fajin where you gently push someone and they fly backwards?
@@taichiworld no I am talking about where the power moves through the body in a wave of song, not an external body mechanic. I am not saying you’re method isn’t powerful, but it isn’t authentic Yang family fajin. More like Chen style
@@milehigh61 could you link me a video of Yang style fajin? Maybe Ive never seen what you’re talking about.
@@taichiworld ua-cam.com/video/T3Kx8wpkaQE/v-deo.htmlsi=-uZzosqbgSWkEkHt
So this is Yang family fajin, can’t be seen from the outside hence the word internal
@@taichiworld ua-cam.com/video/SVIT9EGWbdQ/v-deo.htmlsi=1PbLCoMzC5j064cX
This is Chen style fajin, which is sort of what your doing. Can be seen from the outside which is why some people debate that it’s an internal style of Taiji
great vedio
I don't agree that Erle made a mistake teaching fajing. Firstly, he made a point that to learn the Old Yang form, one should spend at least 2 years learning a softer form. He then explained that in older times, it would take 6 years to learn the Old Yang form. The problem still is and was in your Dad's time, we as people and students are all impatient.
A combination of the two.
Yes he said your should have done ycf before ylc, back in the 80s and 90, but then he started telling everyone to skip ycf.
Again back in the 80s he taught basic striking, but from about the mid 90s onwards he was only teach fajing as a way of striking.
Self defence A to Z is a great example of this, total and complete basics, like almost too basic, quite clearly aimed at the total novice, all the defensive work, distance and timing, but as soon as he started talking about striking it was all fajing, totally useless to a beginner.
Even when he taught me in a very strict every morning class when I was a child, more time was spent on getting the yin and yang of the hands right rather than basic posture.
This is not me having a go at dad, he went through so many different phases, trying out different ways of teaching, some of these phases made great breakthroughs, others where scrapped.
My father just like anyone was nit perfect, he was one of the most brilliant and inventive people that lived, but he was far from perfect.
He never wanted to be remembered as perfect, he never wanted to be put up on a pedestal.
To not acknowledge his mistakes, is to disrespect his legacy, because only by seeing him as human can we really learn and understand what he was teaching.
@@taichiworld I was a student of the 80s / 90s and by keeping the YCF form as part of my regular schedule means I do not agree with everything Erle did all the time. None of us are perfect. Him, you or me. The point I was trying to make, and probably badly, is the student also has to take responsibility. Erle's 2nd video teaches Fajing as part of the YLC form. There is nothing preventing the beginning student who has never even done Taiji previously going straight into YLC and without personal supervision, this could lead to lots of errors. There needs to be some form of self discipline and onus on the individual to start from the bottom. You are right though with regards Erle dropping the YCF form as I do not remember him teaching it in the classes I attended from early 2000's. Once after a workshop in the 90s sometime, he returned home to Australia and sent me YLC to the Max V1 and V2 as a gift which indicates he was definitely focusing on 100% YLC back then. Thanks for your reply.
AGREEE!!!!!!
A little egoism.
@@szenge2902 yes I guess you could see the t that way. People thinking they are ready to do something even if their teacher says they are not.
But a lot of the time it is the teachers fault for not making it more clear.
Looks like mcjodo-ism ngl
In what way? You don't think its good advice to work on basics?
@@taichiworld basics are important, I'm not going to refute that, and that isn't what I was referring to as mc-dojo type shit. But for someone who claims the importance of basics you either discount or display a lack of many important ones. Eg. Returning to your guard quickly, heavily telegraphing strikes, guard is very low, among other things. Though I've only done Muay Thai and Kickboxing for 2 and 1 years respectively, so I may be missing other mistakes or inconsistencies.
@@brightside2718 sounds to me like you have one idea of what is "correct"
A low guard is not incorrect, for Muay Thai is might be, but not for mma for example.
Having your hands in front of your face with out gloves on does not help you. We tend to keep our guard with hands around neck height.
The other two, bringing hands back to guard and telegraphing, yes I am doing these things in the video, because I'm showing that you need to just hit the thing first, before looking at any technical stuff, just get used to hitting the bag.
I'm about to upload another video in face explaining this very point of bringing your hands back to guard as quickly as possible, then I have another video where I'll be explaining why we should not be hitting with full force most of the time, with telegraphing being one of the main reasons.
So yeah just remember that different styles are for different reasons.
Muay Thai is a sport, there are loads of things in Muay Thai that I or any street fighting stylist would regard as being incorrect.
This does not mean they are bad techniques, only that they are designed to work in a certain environment.
If your opponent is only allowed to punch and kick you, your stance and movement is going to be different than if he is allowed to take you to the floor.
Or how you stand will be different if your opponent is allowed to attack your groin, I think you get my point.
Take it to the street, or I don't care, buddy.
Haha not quite sure why you would make this comment on a video talking about the importance of doing basic striking?
You’re tough 😂
@@AB-ee5tb Nah, just been smacked around a few times when I still believed in this stuff.
@@sirvivor7835 I've been the one doing the smacking and 'this stuff' is the real deal.