First time this channel has done a rank climb series. Hope everyone liked this, the next vids will be Leff learning Zetterburn, and then learning Wrastor who will likely be his main to climb to rank #1 once again! - Tirq
yeah 6:20 is a good example of how proper frame recovery punishing needs to be more of a factor in this game, if i call out/spot dodge someone else's grab, my jab NNEEEEDDDSSS to be able to beat my opponent's jab even if i'm not mashing it within the first millisecond, or i should be able to grab them. maybe i just have a street fighter 6 mindset but if i read them & don't parry/don't want to risk trading, and spot dodge perfectly... i should be rewarded. & don't even get me started on inputting a jump before my opponent presses grab...and they still grab me mid air lol i love this game but mechanics like this don't make sense
@@MrKingFunk yeah true looks like he is, idk i just think there should be more recovery frames on missed throws if spot dodged i guess, cause if someone like lox with a higher frame start jab were to jab after spot dodging in this situation maybe zetter's jab would still beat his lol
Yeah I agree on punishing. It feels like the concept of "turns" almost doesn't exist. Every grab hits midair in platfighters. I hate it too. It's like every grab is King's shining wizard (command grab with an air ok version), except you can't tech on reaction or duck on a read. The only option is to spotdodge, and most of the time it doesn't even get you a punish.
Long time melee player here. I feel for you about spotdodge and "turns". But plat fighters usually dont have explicit turns for players to take. Spotdodge is a way to dodge something you REALLY needed to dodge, BUT you are still in danger so youd need to still be defensive. As for grabbing a jumping opponent. It exists cause chain grabs and regrabs are a thing in platfighters. You could juggle them and then grab them out of the air just before they land. Use insane movement to dictate whos "turn" it is. Make them guess and make them scared
Leff, your like the Tom Brady of platform fighters. Easy to dislike because of hot takes, attitude, whatever the flavor of the week excuse is but when it comes down to it man. Ya just can't deny the results bro you are ALWAYS a monster in these types of games and it is a genuine pleasure to watch you cook in them. Can't wait to see you in more tourney footage for this game!
@@sparrow7123 I think we'll have to wait until that cause he mains Wrastor now I think, after orcane he tried zetter cause the matchup was horrible gainst him and now he switched to the bird
Let's not! 😅 Aside from the weird people who foam at the mouth for that Pokémon, let's not give Gamefreak and Nintendo more ammunition since that's a sore spot.😙
PLS, make smaller your camera in the future, or at least put it up, because cover almost half screen in this way (this Is only a suggest, naturally feel free to do what do you want)
you know, I am a fan of Technicals and therefore _not_ a fan of Leffen... so I also want to discredit him too However! by the end of October only 1% of the player base made Diamond and only 35 players hit Master ..I want to say the same as you, he matched with no one of equal skill .... but the truth is his skill is unmatched I guess )': lol
I don't think bottom 3, but definitely no higher than middle of the pack. He just doesn't seem to get as much reward for the amount of effort that you have to put in.
@@revelation2-9 I have multiple problems with this character tbh. The shine shouldn't need to charge, the waveshining should be easier to "combo" with like Melee's by adding a bit of hitstun to it and most of his attacks and throws don't guaratee any combo when DI'ed properly unlike most of the cast. The up smash hitbox is small AF horizontally, the forward smash is a bit strange and the forward air "sweet spot" is weird at first as well... He's (to me) the most "Honest" character in the game. More so than Loxodont (I main Lox).
@@electroelysium2281 Based Lox main with the based opinion. Yes I can agree to basically every point. I technically play Ranno and Orcane while having a pocket Fleet/Lox/Zetterburn, while I played spacies in Melee so I agree that Zetterburn pales in comparison to past iterations of the archetype. He doesn't need a ton of crazy buffs, just a few tweaks on the points you mentioned.
@@revelation2-9 Keep grinding Friend ! I also played Spacies in Melee, although I'm a Marth main and always have been for 20 years on Melee lol 😅 I hope they fix the few things I mentionned so I can play a spacie-like in Rivals 2 🤩
First time this channel has done a rank climb series. Hope everyone liked this, the next vids will be Leff learning Zetterburn, and then learning Wrastor who will likely be his main to climb to rank #1 once again! - Tirq
1v1 me I'm #1 You wont
that orcane side attack looks so funny.
:U
Chomp
this is the greatest thumbnail this game has ever seen
yeah 6:20 is a good example of how proper frame recovery punishing needs to be more of a factor in this game, if i call out/spot dodge someone else's grab, my jab NNEEEEDDDSSS to be able to beat my opponent's jab even if i'm not mashing it within the first millisecond, or i should be able to grab them. maybe i just have a street fighter 6 mindset but if i read them & don't parry/don't want to risk trading, and spot dodge perfectly... i should be rewarded. & don't even get me started on inputting a jump before my opponent presses grab...and they still grab me mid air lol
i love this game but mechanics like this don't make sense
I think Leffen tried to grab and not jab there after the spotdodge, I can see the starting animation of grab there
@@MrKingFunk yeah true looks like he is, idk i just think there should be more recovery frames on missed throws if spot dodged i guess, cause if someone like lox with a higher frame start jab were to jab after spot dodging in this situation maybe zetter's jab would still beat his lol
yeah its a lot of little shit like this that makes u go man wtf lol
Yeah I agree on punishing. It feels like the concept of "turns" almost doesn't exist.
Every grab hits midair in platfighters. I hate it too. It's like every grab is King's shining wizard (command grab with an air ok version), except you can't tech on reaction or duck on a read. The only option is to spotdodge, and most of the time it doesn't even get you a punish.
Long time melee player here. I feel for you about spotdodge and "turns". But plat fighters usually dont have explicit turns for players to take.
Spotdodge is a way to dodge something you REALLY needed to dodge, BUT you are still in danger so youd need to still be defensive.
As for grabbing a jumping opponent. It exists cause chain grabs and regrabs are a thing in platfighters. You could juggle them and then grab them out of the air just before they land.
Use insane movement to dictate whos "turn" it is. Make them guess and make them scared
it's mainly funny bc now the top ranks are almost at 1900 LOL
Leff, your like the Tom Brady of platform fighters. Easy to dislike because of hot takes, attitude, whatever the flavor of the week excuse is but when it comes down to it man. Ya just can't deny the results bro you are ALWAYS a monster in these types of games and it is a genuine pleasure to watch you cook in them. Can't wait to see you in more tourney footage for this game!
congratuation lefen
I was on this live!! Absolute peak orcane gameplay
Can't wait to see him start using hydroplaning adds alot of ceiling to orcane
@@sparrow7123 I think we'll have to wait until that cause he mains Wrastor now I think, after orcane he tried zetter cause the matchup was horrible gainst him and now he switched to the bird
goated
Someone should make Orcane a Vaporeon skin mod
Let's not! 😅 Aside from the weird people who foam at the mouth for that Pokémon, let's not give Gamefreak and Nintendo more ammunition since that's a sore spot.😙
That would be sick
What if i told you Orcane's moveset is based off of vaporeon moveset ?
@@Kamikaze8 Nintendo cant do anything about a fan mod in a game that isnt even theirs. they can hardly do anything about melee mods as is lol
HOORAH BIG LEFF
1:39:00 bro fucking funny to put the gameplay in the top corner. Crackin me up.
Gz on the #1 dude sick af
🔥 sheeeeesh 🔥
39:20 the movement of a heavy
Nerf Kragg
dat was me
Left the goat
Let’s go leff
Have you heard “if ur leffen then I’m chillindude” by flight patterns? If not you should lol
Pretty sure Leff has talked about it on stream before, so yes - Tirq
algorithm
how do you get so much drift with nair without accidentally inputting fair?
Someone please tell leffen that side special breaks kragg pillar and refreshes side special
he makes it look so easy
I like that you have 0 Clairen XP
Im taking notes
Bair seems like a regular strong smash bair no? Is it too fast?
Sweet spot is pretty hard to hit. I would compare it to zelda (or Absa hahaha) bair, but with a harder sweetspot
@jon630 sorry, i should have said "why is it busted?"
nice job.
I was the disaster
should definitely move the cam down further imo
the start of the video cam size is fine just move it down more.. i know you were trolling that guy later in the video but he was right tbh
1:12:20 leffen there's no other marth function in the game ;_;
Same
EU Penguins OMEGALUL
rank infinity in tang
Yeah zutterburn top 3 people high af thinking he’s even mid rank lol 😂
PLS, make smaller your camera in the future, or at least put it up, because cover almost half screen in this way (this Is only a suggest, naturally feel free to do what do you want)
Bro didn't get matched up with a single person in his own rank.
you know, I am a fan of Technicals and therefore _not_ a fan of Leffen... so I also want to discredit him too
However! by the end of October only 1% of the player base made Diamond and only 35 players hit Master
..I want to say the same as you, he matched with no one of equal skill
.... but the truth is his skill is unmatched I guess )': lol
Marlon 1v1 when??
Zetter is a bottom 3 character for sure. He feels like one of the most honest characters in the game.
(I'M NOT A ZETTER MAIN)
I don't think bottom 3, but definitely no higher than middle of the pack. He just doesn't seem to get as much reward for the amount of effort that you have to put in.
@@revelation2-9 I have multiple problems with this character tbh. The shine shouldn't need to charge, the waveshining should be easier to "combo" with like Melee's by adding a bit of hitstun to it and most of his attacks and throws don't guaratee any combo when DI'ed properly unlike most of the cast. The up smash hitbox is small AF horizontally, the forward smash is a bit strange and the forward air "sweet spot" is weird at first as well...
He's (to me) the most "Honest" character in the game. More so than Loxodont (I main Lox).
@@electroelysium2281 Based Lox main with the based opinion. Yes I can agree to basically every point. I technically play Ranno and Orcane while having a pocket Fleet/Lox/Zetterburn, while I played spacies in Melee so I agree that Zetterburn pales in comparison to past iterations of the archetype.
He doesn't need a ton of crazy buffs, just a few tweaks on the points you mentioned.
@@revelation2-9 Keep grinding Friend !
I also played Spacies in Melee, although I'm a Marth main and always have been for 20 years on Melee lol 😅
I hope they fix the few things I mentionned so I can play a spacie-like in Rivals 2 🤩
@@electroelysium2281 I've also been playing for a very long time. Good luck in your growth!