Organ Console Demo of the 2023 Rieger Organ at the Musikkittalo, Helsinki, Finland

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  • @sovereign254
    @sovereign254 День тому +18

    I won't lie, the capabilities with this instrument are staggering, the amount of ways to play around with the organ are near infinite. I can definitely see many organists having their "kid in a candy store" moments on this organ, playing with and testing the limits of this instrument. However, my concern is with all the toys and gadgets and gizmos is that whether or not the maintenance becomes an issue over time. In my opinion, one of the largest reasons why the pipe organ has stood the test of time is that the fundamental way the organ works hasn't changed since its inception, and there's a certain beauty in simplicity.

  • @g.k.failla9389
    @g.k.failla9389 День тому +13

    I never knew Dr. Frankenstein was also an organ builder. An instrument to fill "The Abominable Dr. Phibes" with an irresistible urge
    to play the "March from Athalie" on it. Does it also have A.I., or will that be added? Imagine an organ talking back - "you aren't playing that. It will not be allowed". 😅 From Chicago, U.S.A.

  • @cityboikev
    @cityboikev День тому +10

    The variable wind demo reminds me of the transporter sound from Star Trek.

  • @agogobell28
    @agogobell28 День тому +28

    That’s an *insane* organ. It’s probably the most advanced pipe organ in the entire world…. whether that’s a good thing or not, or how much, is probably up for debate (especially in terms of reliability), but it is very cool to see.

    • @paulchineeser2227
      @paulchineeser2227 День тому +9

      As i Built Parts for it i can say The built quality and relieability is excellent , greetings from Austria

    • @wouterattheorgan
      @wouterattheorgan День тому +2

      no, that's the hyper organ in orgelpark amsterdam, litteral control over the motor rpm, colour combo's trem adjustability and the likes

    • @BillLund
      @BillLund День тому +1

      As an amateur I could never make good use of the features of this organ.

    • @WMAlbers1
      @WMAlbers1 16 годин тому

      @@wouterattheorgan which organ in the Orgelpark do you mean?

  • @wprz
    @wprz День тому +9

    These keys in the drawer on the left are probably the choice of the dividing point on the pedal keyboard. Splitpoint option. You can play with different sets of registers in the pedal.

    • @bkarosi
      @bkarosi  День тому +2

      Yes you are correct!

  • @WMAlbers1
    @WMAlbers1 День тому +6

    Nice that you were able to demonstrate this organ in this way. I just wondered why no Finnish organist has managed to do this 😉

  • @EElgar1857
    @EElgar1857 5 годин тому

    This has many of the more outlandish features of the new Rieger in the Stephansdom, in Wien.
    I guess money was no object in either case! Thanks for the fine demo. 😁

  • @holmespianotuning
    @holmespianotuning День тому +5

    Great to see a non tracker action organ, or at least one with the option of electric action. It isn’t always the best solution for an organ. The proportionate key action is nothing new and has been around in one form or another for years, in fact the Willis floating lever was probably the forerunner. Of course on most tracker actions you can’t play like in the demo because of the “pluck” so I can’t see its or much value. Those drawstops look very disconcerting!

  • @fburton8
    @fburton8 День тому +5

    Oh. My. Goodness. What an extraordinary creation!

  • @jurgenbuschmann9867
    @jurgenbuschmann9867 День тому +6

    Hello Balint, here's my suggestion for a composition this organ actually yearns for: Dominik Susteck: Farblichter. Published at Dohr Verlag. This piece was performed by Winfried Bönig during the Tuesday night's Orgelfeierstunden @Cologne Cathedral. During the concert, a flexible wind controller was mounted and activated to meet the requirements of the piece. Why not give it a try? One of my favourite piece in the contemporary repertoire.

    • @bkarosi
      @bkarosi  День тому +2

      I’ll check it out

  • @owenesquivelph
    @owenesquivelph День тому +4

    Hammond drawbar like stops 🥰
    Wishlist this console be replicated for Hauptwerk 🥰

  • @wouterattheorgan
    @wouterattheorgan День тому +4

    the first thing i thought when seeing those stop tabs is their weird way of pulling out. they would seem so uncomfortable, am i right in saying this?

  • @DutchBrad
    @DutchBrad День тому +5

    Lots of things to break down!

  • @TruckguyTruckguy
    @TruckguyTruckguy День тому +5

    thats it rieger is out of control

  • @Airy59
    @Airy59 День тому +3

    Thanks for insightful demo. My personal takeaway is yes, that organ has a good sounding principal 8 in the great (which is my #1 wish on every organ), especially with the proportional action.
    As for the "innovations" (most of them ancient but used more systematically here than elsewhere), I appreciate the open-mindedness of both the builder and the player. However I remember my disappointment at listening Keith Jarrett's "Sphere" recording in Ottobeuren, back in the seventies. Most of the stuff was played with half-drawn stops and the result was a boring failure. The fact that I am both a Keith Jarrett fan and an organ fan only sharpened the disappointment.
    For most organists, microtones are less useful than the ability to switch temperaments. Some (tracker !) organs have that, using extra pipes per octave and special "couplers" to select the right ones (rather than having sub-semitones that are difficult to play).

  • @paulh5293
    @paulh5293 День тому +13

    A triumph of technology over musicality. Somehow pretending that pipes gasping for wind thanks to partially opened valves or sliders are in some way "musical"... it's a joke. And all that money and they couldn't even sort out a bench that doesn't creak. Or maybe that's part of the innovation?

    • @holmespianotuning
      @holmespianotuning День тому +6

      The thing I would like to know is how much of these gimmicks will be usable without a large amount of practice and rehearsal time which is always in short supply in concert halls. I suspect it won’t get much use.

    • @bertspeggly4428
      @bertspeggly4428 День тому

      You beat me to it on the bench thing! 😁

  • @jwyatt631
    @jwyatt631 День тому +3

    Thank you Balint for demonstrating the capabilities of this extraordinary instrument. I wasn't previously aware of this organ and note that, on the Musikkittalo website it is described as having "Unlimited creative potential" and "From the project’s inception, what mattered was ensuring that the new organ would lend itself to performing new contemporary music." It appears that they have achieved their aim. I must be too old for this as I wonder when creating "sound effects" becomes music? Certainly there will be some composers and performers who will relish this organ's capabilities. I dare say that the organ tuners have a fun time!

  • @Rl469
    @Rl469 День тому +3

    What a fascinating organ! I think my old brain would explode if I tried to access all of its capabilities. Thank you for your demonstration!

  • @05Forenza
    @05Forenza День тому +4

    What an incredibly cool instrument! My concern is just if it's functioning properly in 40-50 years, but very cool now.

    • @holmespianotuning
      @holmespianotuning День тому +1

      It won’t be. The first to go wrong will be the electronics. I like the possibility for extended techniques though.

  • @robertomenossi3645
    @robertomenossi3645 День тому +3

    Spettacolare! Magnifico!

  • @sharkattack99
    @sharkattack99 День тому +3

    Penderecki for organ

  • @brucetominello7440
    @brucetominello7440 День тому +4

    Oh the service problems are coming with this beast jut wait!

    • @bkarosi
      @bkarosi  20 годин тому

      They have an organ technician on staff. Just think how much maintenance the Wanamaker organ needs, this one needs certainly less

    • @brucetominello7440
      @brucetominello7440 18 годин тому

      @@bkarosi time will tell.

  • @vidselih
    @vidselih День тому +1

    Wow, this is an advanced beast! Proportional stops, proportional wind, just marvelous!. Also microtonal and chromatic guys from the past are applauding and cheering! (Luzzaschi, Vicentino, Gesualdo et. al.)

  • @dionyztakacs
    @dionyztakacs День тому +3

    21. század. :)

  • @mefist0feld
    @mefist0feld День тому +2

    Thank you for your video. Looks fantastic. Never seen something like that before. The good way to go in terms of how 21 century organ can look like. On the other hand there might be an issue how to maintain this huge and complicated instrument in good condition. More engineering devices take more time to overhall. More complicated ingineering is less reliable compared to less complicated one. Nevertheless, it looks very interesting and exciting!

    • @bkarosi
      @bkarosi  День тому

      I think they have an organ technician on staff

  • @vittoriobacchiega9118
    @vittoriobacchiega9118 День тому +2

    Hi Balint, is the bench heat feature?😂

  • @Tillsammmans
    @Tillsammmans День тому +6

    Interesting features, yet I feel they mostly produce ”noise” and disharmony rather than beauty. I now that this is in the ”eye of the beholder”.

    • @wouterattheorgan
      @wouterattheorgan День тому +1

      it's usually the way of playing those stops. bit like a 10 2/3th quint wouldn't sound good on it's own

  • @SeattleBoatdog
    @SeattleBoatdog День тому +1

    I must admit, I do like it when the world of the pipe organ takes a bit of a “Quantum jump“

  • @virginiaorganbuilder
    @virginiaorganbuilder День тому +1

    Austrian organ in Finland with all controls in English!

  • @KSL1972LLC
    @KSL1972LLC День тому +2

    Great. Rieger made the most expensive Hammond organ.

    • @jmlec7817
      @jmlec7817 День тому

      Having an old Hammond organ myself i had the same feeling ...:)

  • @groezy
    @groezy День тому +1

    the maple flecking on the case behind the stops is amazing

  • @organfairy
    @organfairy День тому +2

    How do they actually make it proportional? Is it air valves that can stand still in any position instead of the usual open or closed?

    • @bkarosi
      @bkarosi  День тому

      Extremely powerful magnets that control the pallets and can stop midway

    • @organfairy
      @organfairy 21 годину тому

      @@bkarosi Speaking as an engineer that sounds like something requiring quite complicated electronics to control.

  • @67Pgame
    @67Pgame День тому +6

    This is one of the craziest things I've ever seen. There are some extremely interesting features here, especially the proportionate stop action and that "glissando" stop.

  • @bertspeggly4428
    @bertspeggly4428 День тому +1

    This organ is fascinating, but I ask, was it worth it to build it with pipes? Wouldn't top notch samples, and a really good speaker system work just as well? And so much easier to do.
    And a question, is the spaghetti stuff on the case just decorative? Thanks.

    • @bkarosi
      @bkarosi  20 годин тому

      It would not be possible to have some of the effects without pipes, also it is a pretty damn good regular concert organ!

  • @henriknilsson7851
    @henriknilsson7851 День тому +1

    Up close shots show off the amazing wood! This organ must have been built with an unlimited budget.
    Impressive application of technology!

    • @tanelimp
      @tanelimp 15 годин тому

      Finnish composer Kaija Saariaho donated 1 million euros of her own money to build it, and also conviced her friend Olivier Latry to join the planning committee. After that the Finnish Radio Symphony Orchestra and State of Finland gave some hefty sum of money. They also sold pipes with names of the donor engraved in them so in total they gathered a little over 4 million euros for this instrument

  • @TeDeum20
    @TeDeum20 16 годин тому +1

    The Volkswagen of organs.

  • @johannczyronsilvallana8600
    @johannczyronsilvallana8600 20 годин тому +1

    Demo THX theme on this Organ

  • @georgejenista9487
    @georgejenista9487 День тому +1

    Since you now have the proportional playing modes, why bother with the mechanical-action console? The playing system renders it redundant.

    • @holmespianotuning
      @holmespianotuning День тому

      Nothing more than a gimmick. It’s nothing new and has been around for years, just few people really want it.

  • @rowanlidbury
    @rowanlidbury День тому +1

    Saves paying for it to be tuned.

  • @EduardQualls
    @EduardQualls День тому +1

    When the instrument becomes the "star," the musician, and the music fade into the background.

    • @michaelhaslam6089
      @michaelhaslam6089 16 годин тому

      Is that what they said at Haarlem, Notre Dame de Paris, Weingarten, Liverpool Anglican Cathedral?

  • @Sathrandur
    @Sathrandur 19 годин тому

    The page-turning function and adjustable console functions would be good to have on organs generally (and maybe that could adjust the bench's height and forward placement also).

  • @Durufle68
    @Durufle68 День тому +2

    What organ shoes are you wearing? Are they organmaster?

  • @PointyTailofSatan
    @PointyTailofSatan 6 годин тому

    Sooner or later, someone at Casavant or Flentrop will see this video, and jaws will drop! lol I have been playing pipe organs for 40 years, and I can't even imagine how I could registrate these features into a piece.

  • @JonnyMusicOrganist
    @JonnyMusicOrganist День тому

    What an awesome organ! 😃 Can't wait to play it one day. 😁 Thanks for sharing this brief demo with us. 😊

  • @josephsolt1084
    @josephsolt1084 13 годин тому

    Absolutely not a fan of modern art, I find most of it distasteful and disordered. In other words not beautiful. I say this because the casework looks like something straight of hell. If the artist was portraying this, they have succeeded.

  • @jcolbyt82
    @jcolbyt82 16 годин тому

    Do you know whether or not the curved looking pipes that make up the facade are speaking pipes or are they just for decoration? I can see that each has a mouth which made me curious as to whether or not they speak. With such an eclectic organ I would almost automatically assume that they do speak but wanted to see if you knew. 😊Excellent demonstration as usual. I love to see your organ demonstrations! Thank you for posting these!

  • @nock5771
    @nock5771 12 годин тому

    1. Gedanke:
    Erstaunlich, was heute im Orgelbau möglich ist.
    2. Gedanke:
    Wer braucht sowas?
    3. Gedanke:
    Die Registerzüge wirken sehr billig und instabil.
    4. Gedanke:
    Da müssen so unfassbar viele Sensoren verbaut worden sein.
    Wenn da irgendwann mal einige ausfallen, will ich nicht der Orgelbauer sein, der
    die Fehler finden muß!
    Fazit: Ich wünsche der Orgel alles Gute!
    Aber ist es notwendig alles umzusetzten was möglich ist?

  • @michaelhodge9902
    @michaelhodge9902 6 годин тому

    Could you hook up and electric guitar to this pipe organ.

  • @federicoprice2687
    @federicoprice2687 День тому

    Wow! A stunning instrument for airline pilots who play the pipe organs in their local churches...😊

  • @Egestus18
    @Egestus18 День тому +1

    14:10 I guess that might be the pedal divide point?

  • @squidzxz
    @squidzxz 9 годин тому

    Does the concert hall allow organists interested in the organ to contact them and ask to play the organ?

  • @ExAnimoPortugal
    @ExAnimoPortugal 16 годин тому

    Amazing organ. Not a fan of the prospect, though.

  • @johnbostrom8467
    @johnbostrom8467 16 годин тому

    Ridiculous organ. No one is waiting for this.

  • @wesoree
    @wesoree 16 годин тому

    the start reminds me of the THX intro

  • @cabbagepatch8947
    @cabbagepatch8947 День тому

    Amazing and wow!

  • @bvsiness
    @bvsiness День тому +2

    Extreeeeemly expensive. How much money from the EU went in this toy?

    • @timothytikker1147
      @timothytikker1147 День тому

      Finnish composer Kaija Saariaho provided €1,000,000 towards the construction of this organ.

  • @stthomasmore4811
    @stthomasmore4811 День тому +3

    Microtones - great, just what we need. Eyeroll. "Western music is so last century... " Glad to see the expensive destruction of the Western mind continues apace.

    • @harmoniumbauer
      @harmoniumbauer День тому +1

      Nonsense.

    • @InventorZahran
      @InventorZahran День тому +3

      The microtonal pipes are an option; you don't have to play with them if you don't want to!

    • @shiningarmor2838
      @shiningarmor2838 День тому +5

      Just because you can't see the beauty in something doesn't mean it isn't real.

    • @jamesprins9735
      @jamesprins9735 День тому +7

      Microtones aren't a new thing.

    • @vidselih
      @vidselih День тому +1

      ​@@jamesprins9735exactly. Vicentino is approving and applauding from the past!