KINGSONG 16X OR GOTWAY MSUPER X! What should you buy?
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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I agree with you that the 16X is amazing. It feels like a Gotway to be honest the first time I rode it. However, that 50% kills me, but what a wheel like you said man. Great vid
that 50% thing has literally tried to kill me
16X, as far as water, dirt,, SAND is concerned, mine is doing fine at 800 miles so far and i trolley it every night across a sandy beach and push it up & down the side of small mountain through heavy dirt & bushes. Yes, I live on the the side of a cliff. In a tent.
Hi Chooch, I just saw this video. My 16x is supposed to arrive today and I'm so psyched! Thanks for the great information on it.
My first wheel was MSX 100v and I still love it. The thing is great for keeping up with traffic on my 24 mile commute and super fun to rip dirt trail for fun! Heck I even took my out last weekend for hunting and went places gas motors couldn’t go. I think I will have to get 16x next spring for my longer in the middle of no where journeys 😎
I have both wheels (well, 84V MSX) but still found this video interesting. I really should start using the 16X speakers. The MSX has now become my beater I take when I'm planning to do dumb stuff, and the 16X is the comfort ride I take on errands or long rides.
Got myself a 16x used as my first wheel and enjoyed learning on it. Crashed it once and will need to some shell repair but works like a champ still. Per euc world. I’ve been avg speed at 16mph and max of 28mph. Looking at the Rs torque as my next wheel.
I was in this situation two months ago and I chose MSX and I did not regret choosing it! Without a doubt, it is still the monster of electric Unicycle!
Wouldn't the gotway Monster be the monster of EUC's?
I was expecting high accolades from you on the 16x, especially since watching you seize the moment on your previous vids, lol. The most amazing testament to this review is how the MSX is even in the discussion for a comparison. In most cases, on how fast tech moves the new washes the old, hands down. Gotway is definitely on the cutting edge. I am in a tough spot, because of this exceptional review. The 16x appears to have edged the older model(MSX) by a slight margin, and this delays me from purchasing the 16x. The way we have witnessed Gotway's progress, we know Gotway will have a blazing 2020 MSX version very soon. Chooch, do you have any insider info on a updated MSX release next year?
Right on! I wish I did have some info on a new Msuper! I wish it was like apple, or call of duty and we could predict a release date lol!
@@choochtech You say you are 130-LBS. What if someone is 265-LBS? What differences could that heavier person expect? Dramatically slower speeds? Dramatically shorter ranges?
Got the X...all true. Can’t put it any better
Thanks chooch been waiting for your review on the 16x 👌👌👌👍
With your weight and warm weather and not pushing it too hard under 50% battery you should try 1.05... its another wheel. Fantastic with 1.07- incredible with 1.05.
Meaning the older firmware is noticeably better for the 16x?
@@MadLadsAnonymous more power. Or at least easier acceleration.
Thank you ! it's exactly the video of comparison that I was waiting for !
16x came out after I ordered my z10, if I was buying today I would buy the 16x because of the factory support and the increased range. 16 isn’t as good looking as the z10 or as kick ass . But it is better range,speakers and support
Hi Chooch! My only concern with the 16x is how waterresistent it is.. have seen pictures of dust getting inside very easy throght the mudguard. Have you ridden in rain or any water?
good question
yea, it is all good I rode it in fairly deep snow with no problem. Just let all the snow or water dry before charging it, thats what I do anyways
My 16x has been under water for at least 3 seconds after falling into a river and still working great
Nice vid. Honestly still looking forward to getting an MSX, especially with the the 100v 1860wh just being released.
@@omidel. As far as I know, it is available through ewheels.com straight from Gotway. May need to email them as this model is quite new.
Okay! Okay! Already. You sold me. I'm buying an MSX 84v. I don't enduro ride like you, Chooch. I street ride and bike path ride. the MSX should be MORE than enough (right now ;-) ).
Great review!
MrElwood broke the bolts on a KS16s after 9,000 km. I still think that the KS has a better system.
Have you had any problems with pedal dipping on the 16X ?
I think that the MSX might be a better wheel for the 200+ pound people like me.
Not safetest. Most safe is Inmotion on market. V10F reduced speed. it not full charges and not discharges like KS or Gotway.
Good guy really appreciate your input and knowledge on the wheel.
Yooo bro. I need your help your weight is i believe the same as me and im like you i ride my wheels z10 and KS 16X ALWAYS IN THE TOP SPEED.. Until you reach 50% of your battery and you start having speed trundling how many miles do you make in one charge? I'm concern that my battery have issues. Hope you can help me
MADpack I have z10 and batteries match when using and charging. I don’t get anywhere near 50, I never count on more than 30-35 miles
I saw a friend of mine bend the shit out of that rim ... so don't think that you cannot bend it but the tire still held strong!!!! curb... just so you know
I say start with an Z10 and keep it - it is so well built, it gives your core a workout and it encourages a style that makes you look and feel like batman! But for a top end wheel it is a tad slow when compared to the 16x and the MSX. So when you get good at the Z10 update the firmware with the MRN76 hack @t for $30 which is so much cheaper than the new MSX. I have version 7.6.5 which allows my Z10 to go 62kph/38mph (10mph faster than standard) which is also faster than the new MSuper Pro. I have however, limited it to 56kph/35mph. The hack allows you get to keep the spirit of the Z10 and have top end speed as an option on perfect surfaces. Another advantage is no more crazy battery throttling of the speed when battery starts going down this alone is a good reason to change firmware. This is the best of both worlds as anything else seems as dull as a driverless car - even the MSX feels like it runs on rails. There is no risk of nodding off on a Z10! My buddy has had the hack for more than a year now and has had absolutely no issue at all and he really pushes the Z10 hard. The only major difference is top speed. Acceleration and handling remains identical to the stock firmwares. It is like buying another Z10 for $30 - enjoy - carefully!
@Chooch tech
Thank you got this great & informative video! 👍👍
Question: when you said at the beginning of the video about the KS16X speed feeling throttled at 50%, what was the speed limited to?
Yea they charge up to 14hrs,if u have 2changer it charge up to 3hrs.the1 u were showing those 2sd,charger for
So the MSX isn't your favorite wheel anymore? You' are the main reason I got the M S X.
I love the MSX and yes if i had to keep one wheel right now it would be my MSX. If i could afford to have both the 84v and 100v I would!
@@choochtech me to man.
Technically the MSX isn't my first wheel because I owned the Tesla for about 3 weeks, but it sure feels like that's when the fun really got started.
The M S X is in another level man
for me 16x has the a mix of the best of top wheels and also things like front light, subwofer... that no other have.
The Chooch crashed! 😲 I don't believe it ☺
Cheers
PATRICK MCKOWEN if you roll , it’s gonna happen
So my experience with the ks16x has been a little different. I received the wheel with firmware v1.05 and did NOT update it upon receipt. On a full charge, I made it to work (28 mile ride) with only 12% battery remaining. I was riding between 28-30 mph basically the whole way, excluding stop lights, and I weight about 170. I did not got any speed throttling during the entire ride, even at the 12% battery mark.
Amazing wheel that is extremely fun though!
Hi I weight 150 what firmware should be adjust to my weight?
I’ve noticed a main feature of the msuper pro is that it’s supposed to climb hills easier. I’m about your weight so would it really make much of a difference riding uphill on the kingsong? What would be the average range of the msuper pro while riding at about 20mph the whole time. Also, does the msuper pro come with a seat and/or fast charger? Great vid btw!
Chooch you should get paid for these reviews... Excellent job 👍
Hey Chooch
Can you do a video on what you have your MSX 100v wheel settings set at?
Hey chooch can you make a video about riding in rain? I live in a rainy state and am having trouble between these two
Hi, nice video. You did it a while back ago, but I'm considering buying a KS16X now. The main thing that makes me doubt is the feedback about (lack of) weather resistance. Did you try the KS16X under rain ?
Thanks for the video. Did you mean that the speed throttle will kick in when the battery capacity come down to 50%? If so, what's the max speed you can go after that? Thanks again.
probly about 28- 29 after 50%
16x the best!!!!💪💪💪💪
My 16X came with a 5A quick charger
How long does it take to charge with that 5A charger?
@@jax140 I don't have it anymore, but roughly 5A*84V = 420W, and the battery was 1554Wh, so you're looking at about 4.2 hours if totally empty.
I love your review thanks, keep safe
Hey chooch and everyone else. Which one of these wheels is more stable on uneven paved roads? (Where I ride the roads aren't very even. There are lots of surprises on the roads. It's an urba area. Not looking to get a suspension wheel. Want a weight efficient wheel.) Which one do you think is the better 4-season wheel? How much lighter is the msx than the 16x?
I'm about to pull the trigger on this ks 16x for my first euc. I do food delivery in nyc and looking for something with range, stability, etc. This looks like it fits the bill for my first euc. Would you recommend this in a crowded and busy urban environment like Manhattan? I use an ebike right now and do around 40 miles per day, so the KS 16x should go all day with that
Your color correction is fire
Hi! I'm planning to upgrade my EUC soon however I'm torn between Kingson 16XS and Begode Tesla V3. Which do you think is better? I am quite aware that tesla v3 is faster and has a longer range but it doesn't matter that much to me. How bout other aspects like build, quality, overall experience?
TESLA HANDS DOWN, 16x blew out motherboard hard trail riding. Im telling you as someone that went from hating begode /gotway to beingg their biggest fan. They are good wheels. tesla v3 all day
@@choochtech I’m also looking at both these options for my 1st wheel but I’ve recently been hearing about Begode battery safety issue.
With your weight and warm weather you should try 1.05. With 1.07 is fantastic but with 1.05 is incredible. You can acelerate and brake so much with no efford. There you can fell the difference of this new motor.
What is your tire pressure on your ks16x ?
Kenny Shin I’d like to know too. I’ve been playing around with a range from 25 to 31 psi. Only reason is I start with 30/31’sh and it slowly leaks over time/days to 25. I’m only 135 lbs and nearly always ride with a heavy backpack. I’ve gotten so used to that combined weight that whenever I have the rare opportunity to ride “just me” it’s like I’m TOO light for it! Every bit of crosswind has me veering and it’s squirrely as hell to dangerous levels, of course I think a lot has to do that ride EXPERIENT MODE. My next experiment will be to lower the riding mode to Riding or Beginner to see if that can balance out to “too light” issue of mine. Regardless though, after about 10 minutes of riding without a pack I get used to it as well...
Awesome video brother I’ve been waiting to hear this just great 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼💪👌
I am more after performance than just design. I currently have INMOTION V10 and it’s underwhelming with max speed 25. It’s very nimble and all.
But which one does the cat prefer?
Lots of good info. Thanks. Would you recommend the 16X for a EUC beginner? I'm 6'1" and 210 lbs. What's your thoughts? Thanks in advance for your reply.
yes i think both the 16x and Msuper would be great, if you like the look and features of the 16x go with it, I love it
chooch tech Thank you. Would the 16S be under buying from the start? Someone told me they’ve had issues with the 16X with heavier riders. Not sure what qualifies as “heavier” riders though. LOL Please let me know your thoughts. Thank you for your reply!
Is there room for the 18xl in this discussion of 16x vs msx? It's still a great wheel.
Chooch you really notice that big of a difference between msx 100v vs 84? I've heard different opinions.
MSX is the best choice ;)
And what if you would have to compare the 16x with the msp? Have been doing some research for the past 2 weeks (after looking at the s18) but there are so many choices 😅
Why do people say, "I'll see you in the next video."? No you won't, my camera is off. How are you going to see me and wouldn't that be a bit creepy?
What about Nikola? It's another good contender for 16x
You said you liked the tyre on the 16X, but you didn't say what it was?
hey chooch ty for great videos! i think you can, and id appreciate a lot if you can help me decide between ks16 (which i know you just loved) and k18l. i feel 16s may perhaps be a little slow (¿will it go really 35kph in a comfortable ride without annoying tiltbacks?) and by the other hand im affraid 18l may be too heavy so not that easy to little jumps or tricky short moves... any suggestion? thank youuu!!! keep that nice work, good rides! best regards from Uruguay! Seba
@chooch tech, i'm still unable to decide hahaha can you bring me an idea about the diffs between those machines? tks a lot!
Chooch, I"m planning to buy KingSong, Which do you think has a better rage: KingSong X16 or KingSong 18XL?
long cruises i would prefer the 18xl and for daily use the 16x
Can you do a comparison off the Z10 and KS16x like this one?!?
My friend just dented the rim on my 1 week old ks 16 x today. Not sure how he did it but he is taking it off me and he gave he the cash for another one. I'm pretty sure we're gona have to change the motor wheel which sucks
send it to ewheels and let them do it, say I sent you over. You will need to pay of course but it will save yiou the headache and your bro can split the cost or pay you over time. Sorry man Ewheels does these repairs and they have the tools do not even start taking it apart thats a big repair.
Literally box it up and they can send fedex to get it. I still even pay for repairs but they do an excellent job and are fast!!!
@@choochtech thank you I really appreciate it. I will try this method.
@@amanp5249 and if its not a big dent just ride it bro, I have a dent in like all my wheels and rode one with a cracked rim in three places for like a month even at high speed like a moron. so if it not big just ride it till you get a new wheel
@@choochtech its pretty big!!! You can hear it loud when riding.
I'm just about to buy a new 16x but not sure if I should get a 18xl instead. I really enjoy the zipiness of the 16x it's so much fun.
Any recommendations?16x or 18xl
Chooch, I see your nice video about 16S in the past. It will be nice to see a compare between 16X and 16S. Who have 16S should naturally plan to move to 16X?
What’s the pro / cons?
completly different wheels. You can own the two. i do lol
That's great thank you! - where did you buy your 16X
link in description, ewheels is the best
45 miles till 50% of charge. Hm, nice. Do u use 1.05 ver firmware or 1.07?
I think he uses 1.06
@@afms-jo2de ( ,)( ,)
Are you in Colorado? I would love to meet up sometime. These are literally the two wheels I been wanting to try. Any chance I could go for a spin with you?
i saw the cat. Instant like.
shes the best had her for 14 years after she showed in in my garage one day. Her name is Dirtbike used to always hang out in the dirt bike shop lol
Hi what wheel is better if it is short. I choose the first wheel of these two but I don't know English. And if msx then 100v or 84v please answer?
My height is 170cm, weight 63-65kg
I have ks16s.im up grade to ks16x like urs im looking for the review first wanna know more info about it
If you had the choice between the MSP with the 2500w motor or the 2000w motor, what would you pick?
2500w offroad 2000w on road
there are a lot of 84v 4-5A chargers on ali express. If you need a link - just ask me.
I ask U
@@halavich9672 www.aliexpress.com/item/33002065579.html
Why pick. Just buy both. Problem solved. 😋
Chooch, can you tell me which one is better in the forest for off road riding the MSX or the KS16X? Thank you.
I like them both but if I had one for off-road I think I would go with the 84v msx 1600wh
@@choochtech Would you please shortly explain why? Thanks.
@@danielerdofi9164 pedal height is a big plus offroad plus with the taller tire is gonna be a little better too on the msx.
great thks for advice ,-)
Aw ur baby is so handsome
ssooooo...
z10 or 18xl?
Hi Chooch, what would be your choice between the 16x and the 18xl?
18xl, the 16x is honestly not the best offroader
@@choochtech thank you so much for your answer! all the other youtuber never answer this kind of question....BTW love your videos! 👍🏻
@@krikri3387 right on, appreciate that, have a good one Kristian!
I heard the 100v has less range than the 84v on the msx
less cells= less battery
Hi, how did you solved the pulse and wobing problem of the ks16x?
Gil Navalho never had one
The style dont look good.i like the kind u have
By the way you can get a 2.5A from ks
how does it feel to crash at that speed ? :O
Informative video dawg.... get yo weight up 😂😂
Cool.
Very good man ...😎🤘
celso melo appreciate that celso!
130lbs. My grandson was that weight when he was born....
Hahaha so was my first daughter
On the 16x What Your Psi For daily Use ?
about 27 psi thats pretty good on and off road
@@choochtech THx ! It's a great Wheel Nice upgrade from v10 ! Luv your video nice and real info - the Right Info ! Keep UP !
upvote b/c kitty!
Какое колесо лучше по итогу?)
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No.this ks16x will be my last
Bro i sent you a message on instagram. Talk to you there
hi
hey!
The new ks16x.they don't look good now