Not very shocking with how disgusting the public education system is, really. They allow child molesters to be teachers, coaches, aides, etc. Schools are cesspools.
You’ve talked about why Karen ignored Missy being murdered, but why do you think Laura did this? I want to know Laura’s experience after prison and why she did that to her friend
Same! I've been watching videos on this case and they mainly talk about Karen. Laura is the one who became a part of their friend group later on and was the one who actually drowned Missy - I want to know more about her and why!
@@noramerritt9257 After reading more into this, it seems that some are saying Laura had Missy by the shoulders/head and Karen held her feet while in the creek... Hard to believe that Karen just "walked back to the car" while her "friend" was being drowned... Karen also had multiple boys attack her boyfriend after blaming him for the murder and watched them beat on him while yelling for them to "finish him off" for what he did to her. Am I the only one thinking that Karen planned all of this and manipulated Laura into this? Don't get me wrong, Laura definitely knew what she was doing, but I think Karen is much sicker and twisted than it seems and she is a master manipulator.
@@LukeLFN Karen was definitely the master manipulator in this. They made a movie about the murder called "A murder among friends". It's on UA-cam and Amazon prime.
Halfway through the video I remembered seeing a Lifetime movie based on this case. It’s already a sad case but the fact that Karen pretended for so long is sick!!!
I think if she's visiting schools with the intention of being like, 'I was a bully, I ended up in jail because my actions caused someone to lose their life' then that could be a positive thing. We had a similar thing at my school where women that had been to jail visited us and told us their stories and it was very eye opening. I'm not sure I agree with publishing books though, unless she intented to donate the money to charity but she shouldn't be making profit from it.
I’ve been waiting for an upload but I’m glad you got a break to just live your life! ♥️ I do think people can change but when you go around and trying to make money off of what you did I don’t think that person has changed much that’s just my opinion. If I was Irene I would hardly trust people anymore 😐
I love your channel. Besides the sponsors you go straight to the point and get the story done in about 30 min. When I want to listen to something quick you are my go to. Also your stories are always unique and not what everyone else is doing in their UA-cam channels. I appreciate your work. Thank you.
Missy’s Law was passed in California after her parents sued Karen, stating that now publishers have to contact the victims parents if a perpetrator wants to publish a book about a crime. ♥️
This is why you never date or miss with your sisters or good friends X's or current boy friends its a rule my mom installed in me from a young age I have 5 sisters and some close girl friends and would find it sick to start a relationship with guy that had been with any of them. .
I think it is the ultimate disrespect to Missy and her family that this vile woman gets to go on Dr Phil and other media platforms to talk about it. It's unbelievable how she is trying to disassociate her current self from her past self and act all righteous now. People can change after committing many crimes but things like murder, rape and torture are unforgivable in my opinion and those who commit them have lost all rights to sympathy and mercy.
i think murderers don't change. i think its creepy as fuck. i would never want to date a murderer or be friends with someone like that. sex offenders never change or animal abusers don't change either. if you are capable of hurting someone or an animal there's something wrong!
This video is so tastefully and respectfully done. This case bothers me so much. I was actually watching this case on Unusual Suspects on ID Channel one day before work and couldn’t finish the episode because I had to leave. Today, Death of a cheerleader came on LMN and I started researching that case. Found out that Deadly Women featured it. Pulled it up and in the same episode, this case was featured. And that’s what led me here. It’s so sad and haunting and really just bothers me. I’m sick to my stomach at Karen’s smugness in recent photos and during her trial. She looks purely evil. I agree ppl can change, but to want to profit off of destroying a mom by murdering her child, and continuing to play the victim, there’s no way she has changed. So sad.
I just think both of those girls should have never gotten released from prison!!! They both should have suffered in there for the rest of their lives!!!!
I do think people can change but in this case I don't think Karen changed there's one thing to animosity against someone you're jealous of it's a whole other thing to have that person you're jealous of killed and then lie about it and have a relationship with that persons family for years then once you do get out of jail try to make a profit off the situation while at the same time pretty much rub this dead person and their family's nose it to me seems like a long list of you ain't changed and you ain't never going to change
I don't think Karen was jealous of Missy, I think she was jealous of anything or anyone that would take Missy away from her. She went into a rage at the thought Missy was distancing herself from Karen. But the family is now saying they heard Karen threaten Missy and was like a stalker but we've always been told the family had no idea it could be Karen and Police had no leads for 3 years. The family says they knew Karen was threatening to kill Missy and Karen moved into the family home after the murder??? Anyone want to explain this to make sense? Or is this case not completely solved?
Shut up already, she is jealous of Missy and for once stop saying that that Missy's family knew that Karen murdered her, those are lies and you are really annoying and a gaslighter.
Sure, people can "change" but you're still rotten inside if you have no remorse for such a terrible thing.. It would be one thing if her book was repentant and a cleansing experience because she truly felt remorseful, but when it's just to profit off of a tragic story that only happened because of YOU, then nah you haven't "changed."
Eva had a way bigger role than what you reported, she helped to torment Missy, and cut her hair off before the other two drowned her. The knife and bandana that was used belonged to Eva. And the incident is better described in her own words. You can watch part of the interview on UA-cam if you look up "Missy Avila hard copy"
Why do they get to be out of prison and be forgiven and continue on with their life when this poor girl who didn’t deserve what happened to her will never see another day just because they did some time in jail doesn’t mean they paid for the crime they committed
@@RachelParker-1977 that’s ridiculous. Teachers like that don’t need to be teachers. And people need to teach their kids not to be mean. A lot of times, people bully others because they’re jealous. Don’t let them get to you!
The fact they chopped off pieces of her hair pretty much symbolizes how they felt towards her wanted her to feel what they felt inside making her ugly in their eyes and hurting her . Karen is not a normal person she was never her friend she was obsessed, possessive and definitely wanted to be Missy . The only problem was she knew deep down she couldn’t ever replace her so second best option was to take her place. How can you watch someone you say you cared for get murdered and act as if you know nothing. Just like the other girl even in their picture from court you can see they have no remorse and loved the attention they wanted . They should still be in prison and it’s a shame they’re not. Karen is horrible for even playing any kind of victim when she was the bully and needs more attention what better way then to again put yourself in the story and make your own versions of what happened. Psycho woman . It sucks no one saw this toxic friendship sooner and got her out of it . I’m glad they sued her for the book she doesn’t deserve anything with Missy in it. She wanted to act as if she was the daughter but also was sick enough to frame her art if you will of missy like a trophy or be mesmerized by how she wanted to be seen. May they get karma for what they’ve done.
You sure it's right this is the second story where best friends kill each other that other story where that girl got killed by her two best friends that's in prison jealousy and it don't take a lot for somebody to be jealous of you it's just a little things your size your hair just the little things somebody can get really jealous of and take your life just as the snap of a finger
But why in the united states? I read about this case some years about a highschool footballer who had plans to go to military school along with his girlfriend, anyway he ended up having sex with a cheerleader onboard of the bus while going home after an away match. He confessed to his girlfriend, she forgave him to begin with, but after a couple of days/weeks she demanded that he should kill the cheerleader otherwise she would dump him. And he turned out to be enough of a pussy to go along with it, so he took his car and drove off to pick her up so they could talk about the sex thing, she went inside the car having no idea that his girlfriend was hiding in the backseat with a club or something. She got knocked out and was taken to this forest by a lake were she was shot twice in the head. The couple graduated and went off to military school and everything was peachy until the girlfriend confessed the whole thing during a game of truth or dare. Why does some of the worse things happen in the usa? Clown serial killers, Natural Selection school shootings and Massage parlour mass shootings?
@@dontneednomanstoptelllingm8481 If you can get to a point where something as small as hair or somebody’s looks can drive you to plan to murder them not only do you need help but maybe, just maybe you need killing, sorry to say that but people like that just don’t belong among society they’re sick people, to say the least they spent 23 years in jail, fuck that
@@dontneednomanstoptelllingm8481 Yup Payton leutner got Stabbed 19 times by her friends but thankfully she survived Dont forget Skylar Neese case But Skylar Neese Died
She became obsessed with Missy and also saw her ghost? That sounds like a weird way to handle guilt, killers do odd things when they had a close relationship with the victim. IMO she killed her because she felt Missy would get the attention she wanted from everyone so that's why Karen told her mother she was a.. Not so decent girl. There's guilty written all over Karen.
@@oAgL214 When these killer teenyboppers move in with the family of the person they murdered and become obsessed, why does this not set off alarm bells in the families of the dead girls? To me, it screams guilty, guilty, guilty.
If she truly changed... she wouldn’t have written a book that makes her seem like she has that victim mentality. If anything she would write a book admitting her full responsibility and mistake in what she did. She hasn’t changed 👌🏼
She really wasn’t her friend because she was obsessed with her deeply and as for Laura she just hated her so much that’s why she planned it and then finished it they she be lock up for life just saying wow
Did they really serve there time tho? 20 years for taking a life? 17 year olds know what they are doing and they intentionally murdered her. I don’t feel bad for them, I definitely don’t think Karen has changed. And in my opinion they should have gotten and served a longer sentence.
Exactly, there's certain cases where the kids are making choices based on their environment and have a high chance of rehabilitation, but ones like this where there's malice and they're over 15 they should be tried as adults
Anti-bullying advocate!? That's like a freaking crack dealer handing out pipes and saying "don't do drugs, kids!" PEOPLE can change, yet there are still lasting consequences to someone's actions! She TRIED and failed to cash out from HER CRIME! She's not sorry. She hasn't changed.
Wait so what happened to Karen’s baby?? Sounds like she returned from her pregnancy and went back to normal life? Did she give it up for adoption or something?
She was actually pregnant again when she murdered missy. She also tried to frame the murder on 2 different guys including the baby daddy and they were beaten up horribly from be suspicion. Karen aborted the baby even tho she was pretty far along. She’s way more twisted than this UA-camr realizes
That’s what I’d like to know. I’m wondering if her baby knows who her mother/Karen is, if Karen’s family kept her in their lives or isolated her out. I find it odd that there is nothing about this or what’s up with Laura. But I guess Laura isn’t trying to bring attention to herself like Karen (who still seems desperate attention). And I guess there’s nothing about Karen’s baby for the purpose of protecting her baby.
Watched this case years ago on an old episode of deadly women. I will never forget how they left her with a log on her neck…true and pure, unfiltered evil and jealousy
Someone that takes someone else’s life will never change. It’s literally abnormal no matter what. Time can’t fix that kind of evil idc what anyone says
After watching that movie ‘A Killer Among Friends’ years ago, this is my first time actually hearing the case. So sad what jealousy and obsession can do.
It still baffles me how those monstrous scumbags thought that not wanting to be friends with someone, was a valid excuse, to murder them, as if there is any valid excuse to begin with, there IS NO EXCUSE. They are vile creatures. Rest in peace to Michele Missy Avila and Skylar Annette Neese.♥️💓 They deserved way better than, what happened to them, they didn't deserve it AT ALL. It still breaks my heart to this day, still brings me to tears.
I dont think Karen changed given the fact that she started to make money off of someone she murdered that made me not feel so right and now talking about bullying??? Yeah no on the other hand Lauren or Laura you said? Maybe she has since she has stayed on the DL since her release but who knows 🤷🏻♀️
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Righttt I just can’t listen those who have a accent and I love how she mentions background info about the victims and killers some youtubers just tell the story!
Thank you for doing Missys case. I asked and it was done. This has been part of my life since i was a todler. Karen was my moms best friend. This is everything i grew up in. I remember the day Karen finally got arrested. She listened to tapes in our home from an "anonymous" person saying she killed Missy. I knew ut as a child. Karen is pure evil i have known from day one. Everyone i grew up with (my most memorable years) is in the life time movie that was made too. A Stranger Among Friends.
I think if a person murders while they're drunk, or on drugs, or under the influence of an outside source, they can change. But I think someone who murders out of jealousy or because they were angry, or something trivial, they were just looking for a reason and I don't believe they can change. I'm sure it's not quite as black and white as that, but that's my opinion.
In terms of whether she changed or not: It seems like she has good intentions however, her narcissistic traits and seemingly underlying childhood issues (needing validation, wanting that acceptance from a family dynamic, etc...) prevent her from truly changing. So no I don't think she has "truly" changed. Glad you had a nice break! 😊💜
At 22:35 she said “Karen” in a way that made me laugh so hard because I really felt that. But seriously Karen’s behaviour post release is extremely disturbing. You’ve got to watch out for friends who are jealous of you - they are dangerous
I don't think there's a limit to who can change, but I do think there are tell-tale signs to change. Remorse and taking accountability is a huge sign that they've changed. But it doesn't sound like she's done that. This is honestly such a sad case.
I saw a tv movie about this years ago with Tiffany Thiessen as Missy and Patty Duke as her Mom. The movie was called called "A Killer Among Friends" really good movie, very sad story.
Omg I had a best friend like this once! It started getting legitimately terrifying and I ended up just moving suddenly and blocking her number to get away. She was so possessive and hated that I had other friends and wanted to spend all of our time together and kept track of where I was at all times. Like what??? Girl, I was 20... a full grown adult...
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I cant believe how good Karen and Laura were at lying! Karen and Laura should have been given life for what they did to Missy, their friend. They murdered her!
The question at the end had me stumped. I honestly do not have an answer for it. This is in spite of me working in Law Enforcement for nearly a decade. I have seen people change their lives around in my career, even a few murderer's. I honestly question Karen, something does not add up to me. Why was Lori's (not sure how she spells her name) the one to kill Missy if her main beef or multiple beefs were with Karen. .
karen didnt change she was just happy she was getting that attention from the media and everybody else that Missy was always getting that's only reason why she is doing all day that I can't believe people actually trust her to come talk about bullying if you could kill anybody in the cold blood let alone your own best friend that's a point of no return from me
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100% lived in Missy house. Thats where we would pick her and her daughter (ill leave her name out of it shes innocent) up from on MULTIPLE occasions. My mom was older so when missy was killed I was 4 and when Karen finally was arrested i was 7. When she was arrested i told my mom "i know she did.". No way Karen was not the one who put the log 100 lb on Missy neck. That is known for sure. Shes not remorseful. My mom tried to go to the parole hearing but due to an illness in the family she could not. Mom wanted to keep her in prison that says something after so mamy years. I think it haunted my mom that she had Karen around so much . Mom always knew Karen did it but never admited it. Thank you so mich for finally doing this case. It wasnt too long ago I asked. Not being an "insider" you did very well.
Had my mom watch. She said good job. Lots of things ate insuder things its hard with karens lies. My mom was there at karens the night they killed missy. Karen and eva had lived together for 2 days. Eva moved in on the 1st and the next day when it happened they got into a fight. My mom was tasked with going to karens parents to pick up evas half of the rent since she was moving out. When my mom brought it back to eva she told my mom "this has nothing to do with you" my moms response was "yeah i know." They all went to Byrd jr high(do did my entire fsmily and myself). One time in jr high when missy was leaving the school she was jumpped (karen had it set up). Karen could not fight. She frequently asked my mom to fight for her. Karen had a thing for my dad (step) too. Thankfully she didnt dare touch my dad after my mom and him got together. Hes not named but shown in the lifetime movie. He rode a motorcycle too had a very distinct helmet. Thank you for getting this out there. Karen was brutal and no doubt it was premeditated. She dressed her daughter in missys clothing. Think about how small missy was. Her daughter ill call S(keep er out of it) was same age as me. So in 1985 she was 4 and was in Missys clothing and karen did her hair like missy. Any locals. Switzer falls is where she was. In fact the area looks almost identical now. Missys uncle was a sheriff had to help in locating/identifying her body. I dont member Laura she stayed away I vaguely remember Missy. But i have a hotrible flood of feelings when i think of Karen. The tapes she played. When Karen was at our house i wouls sneak down to watch my mom because i always thought she was going to hurt us. So strange. Mom says she never thought Karem really did it when they were friends because they were together that night (buts she knew deep down). Karen was setting my mom up as an alibi. My mom said "fuck no" when it came down to it. She called Karens dad the day she got arrested and my mom says "ill never forget the rxact words" he said "... She did it" (leaving moms name out too). I cant thank you enough. Theres a ton of things that are more inside and well not from karens mouth but yes this is ehat happened!
Hi, please cover the unsolved case of Lucy Sands, she was a 16 year old girl who disappeared from Cumberland England in December of 1881 and her body was discovered 3 months later in March 1882. Would love to learn more on this story!
The fact that Karen is allowed to go to schools and give talks about bullying after she murdered her best friend is sickening.
I was thinking the same thing like what school administration would think that’s a good idea
right I was like in my mind but you killed your bestfriend which is far worse then bullying
someone must’ve not completed their background checks
Not very shocking with how disgusting the public education system is, really. They allow child molesters to be teachers, coaches, aides, etc. Schools are cesspools.
She still blames the victim and downplays her role and the bs she did afterwards.
The fact that these girls are out free living their lives makes me sick.
Hopefully, they will have fatal 'accidents.'
She’s the OG Karen.. got it.
The moment I heard her name I said she did it 😂
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On point!
What does that actually mean 'OG' not something hear really in U.K.(I may be out of touch🤔🙄)
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Um how about we don’t have the woman who murdered her best friend because she was jealous of her talk to impressionable kids about anti-bullying
Who just drops off their friend alone and drive off just to get gas, that would have been red flag #1
That sounded suss as to me as well! Then when Laura changed her story, that was even more suss!
damn those girls must have a lot of issues... how did they keep it in so long while being with missy’s mom all the time. freaks me out
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You’ve talked about why Karen ignored Missy being murdered, but why do you think Laura did this? I want to know Laura’s experience after prison and why she did that to her friend
Same! I've been watching videos on this case and they mainly talk about Karen. Laura is the one who became a part of their friend group later on and was the one who actually drowned Missy - I want to know more about her and why!
@@noramerritt9257 After reading more into this, it seems that some are saying Laura had Missy by the shoulders/head and Karen held her feet while in the creek...
Hard to believe that Karen just "walked back to the car" while her "friend" was being drowned...
Karen also had multiple boys attack her boyfriend after blaming him for the murder and watched them beat on him while yelling for them to "finish him off" for what he did to her.
Am I the only one thinking that Karen planned all of this and manipulated Laura into this? Don't get me wrong, Laura definitely knew what she was doing, but I think Karen is much sicker and twisted than it seems and she is a master manipulator.
@@LukeLFN Karen was definitely the master manipulator in this. They made a movie about the murder called "A murder among friends". It's on UA-cam and Amazon prime.
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Thanks for the recommendation!
Definitely gotta check it out!
@@LukeLFN you're welcome! And it's called "a killer among friends" not murder lol. It stars tiffani amber thiessen
Halfway through the video I remembered seeing a Lifetime movie based on this case. It’s already a sad case but the fact that Karen pretended for so long is sick!!!
i was searching through the comments for this comment
It stars Tiffany Theissen as Missy and Patty Duke as her mom
A killer among friends
I’m only half way through but this sounds kind of similar to the old lifetime movie with Tiffany Amber Thiessen...
I know exactly what you're talking about!!! That was so damn long ago!
They even carved their initials into a tree in the movie
That lifetime movie is based on this case!
@@user-el2eo7fu2p thanks!! That explains it!
@@lissaMJH i know, it feels like maybe over 20 years ago??! Makes me feel old lol
I think if she's visiting schools with the intention of being like, 'I was a bully, I ended up in jail because my actions caused someone to lose their life' then that could be a positive thing. We had a similar thing at my school where women that had been to jail visited us and told us their stories and it was very eye opening. I'm not sure I agree with publishing books though, unless she intented to donate the money to charity but she shouldn't be making profit from it.
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I’ve been waiting for an upload but I’m glad you got a break to just live your life! ♥️ I do think people can change but when you go around and trying to make money off of what you did I don’t think that person has changed much that’s just my opinion. If I was Irene I would hardly trust people anymore 😐
I love your channel. Besides the sponsors you go straight to the point and get the story done in about 30 min. When I want to listen to something quick you are my go to. Also your stories are always unique and not what everyone else is doing in their UA-cam channels. I appreciate your work. Thank you.
Missy’s Law was passed in California after her parents sued Karen, stating that now publishers have to contact the victims parents if a perpetrator wants to publish a book about a crime.
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Should get a noise canceling device for your mic. You can hear the background. Hall way sound
This is why you never date or miss with your sisters or good friends X's or current boy friends its a rule my mom installed in me from a young age I have 5 sisters and some close girl friends and would find it sick to start a relationship with guy that had been with any of them. .
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I think it is the ultimate disrespect to Missy and her family that this vile woman gets to go on Dr Phil and other media platforms to talk about it. It's unbelievable how she is trying to disassociate her current self from her past self and act all righteous now.
People can change after committing many crimes but things like murder, rape and torture are unforgivable in my opinion and those who commit them have lost all rights to sympathy and mercy.
How the hell are they out of jail?! This is so WILD!
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I remember watching the lifetime movie with my mom and I never forgot this story.
Years of resentment??!?? At 17? A sane and rationale person would/should separate themselves from someone that's devaluing your life experience.
i think murderers don't change. i think its creepy as fuck. i would never want to date a murderer or be friends with someone like that. sex offenders never change or animal abusers don't change either. if you are capable of hurting someone or an animal there's something wrong!
The pioneer Karen paved the way for all Karens today
Hahah im shook the sponsorship approved your content when youre showing that your literally reading a script on a computer 😆
They all usually do ffs! Who cares
This video is so tastefully and respectfully done. This case bothers me so much. I was actually watching this case on Unusual Suspects on ID Channel one day before work and couldn’t finish the episode because I had to leave. Today, Death of a cheerleader came on LMN and I started researching that case. Found out that Deadly Women featured it. Pulled it up and in the same episode, this case was featured. And that’s what led me here. It’s so sad and haunting and really just bothers me. I’m sick to my stomach at Karen’s smugness in recent photos and during her trial. She looks purely evil. I agree ppl can change, but to want to profit off of destroying a mom by murdering her child, and continuing to play the victim, there’s no way she has changed. So sad.
i remember back in the 80s, a girl pregnant was shunned out of school, a 14 yr old would have needed counseling b4 coming back to school
I Remember a movie call
A Murder Among Friends
Great Movie I just seen that Movie Again still sad.
A killer among friends movie! Reminds me of this
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I just think both of those girls should have never gotten released from prison!!! They both should have suffered in there for the rest of their lives!!!!
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Sav watch the 90s true story movie on this case is really great
What’s the movie’s name? I want to check it out.
I do think people can change but in this case I don't think Karen changed there's one thing to animosity against someone you're jealous of it's a whole other thing to have that person you're jealous of killed and then lie about it and have a relationship with that persons family for years then once you do get out of jail try to make a profit off the situation while at the same time pretty much rub this dead person and their family's nose it to me seems like a long list of you ain't changed and you ain't never going to change
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I don't think Karen was jealous of Missy, I think she was jealous of anything or anyone that would take Missy away from her. She went into a rage at the thought Missy was distancing herself from Karen. But the family is now saying they heard Karen threaten Missy and was like a stalker but we've always been told the family had no idea it could be Karen and Police had no leads for 3 years. The family says they knew Karen was threatening to kill Missy and Karen moved into the family home after the murder??? Anyone want to explain this to make sense? Or is this case not completely solved?
Shut up already, she is jealous of Missy and for once stop saying that that Missy's family knew that Karen murdered her, those are lies and you are really annoying and a gaslighter.
There was definitely a Lifetime movie based on this case. 😔
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Sure, people can "change" but you're still rotten inside if you have no remorse for such a terrible thing.. It would be one thing if her book was repentant and a cleansing experience because she truly felt remorseful, but when it's just to profit off of a tragic story that only happened because of YOU, then nah you haven't "changed."
Eva had a way bigger role than what you reported, she helped to torment Missy, and cut her hair off before the other two drowned her. The knife and bandana that was used belonged to Eva.
And the incident is better described in her own words.
You can watch part of the interview on UA-cam if you look up "Missy Avila hard copy"
There is no way in hell that Karen should have been receiving profits from the 2 books she wrote!
If I’m not mistaken they made a lifetime movie about this
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Why do they get to be out of prison and be forgiven and continue on with their life when this poor girl who didn’t deserve what happened to her will never see another day just because they did some time in jail doesn’t mean they paid for the crime they committed
i think people cant change until they decide they want to change nothing else or even punishment can bring that mentality
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What kind of school would let Karen (someone who was a part of luring in and murdering someone) come talk to students about bullying?!
My thoughts exactly! So strange
Any school that I attended growing up. I was severely bullied and none of the teachers defended me.
@@RachelParker-1977 that’s ridiculous. Teachers like that don’t need to be teachers. And people need to teach their kids not to be mean. A lot of times, people bully others because they’re jealous. Don’t let them get to you!
@@Tiffany-gv8nj Amen. Thank God, I am an adult now and got away from it. You're terrific. God bless you.
@@RachelParker-1977 thank you so much! God bless you! Have a blessed day! ☺️
The fact they chopped off pieces of her hair pretty much symbolizes how they felt towards her wanted her to feel what they felt inside making her ugly in their eyes and hurting her . Karen is not a normal person she was never her friend she was obsessed, possessive and definitely wanted to be Missy . The only problem was she knew deep down she couldn’t ever replace her so second best option was to take her place. How can you watch someone you say you cared for get murdered and act as if you know nothing. Just like the other girl even in their picture from court you can see they have no remorse and loved the attention they wanted . They should still be in prison and it’s a shame they’re not. Karen is horrible for even playing any kind of victim when she was the bully and needs more attention what better way then to again put yourself in the story and make your own versions of what happened. Psycho woman . It sucks no one saw this toxic friendship sooner and got her out of it . I’m glad they sued her for the book she doesn’t deserve anything with Missy in it. She wanted to act as if she was the daughter but also was sick enough to frame her art if you will of missy like a trophy or be mesmerized by how she wanted to be seen. May they get karma for what they’ve done.
The lifetime movie about this case a murder among friends always stuck with me.
Sadly, I’m not sure if they’ll get their karma in this life. But they probably will in the next and it won’t be pretty
Always encouraging to see cases solved
man you’re everywhere
Agreed.
@@Frioxo ikr, it’s great that he’s so supportive of his fellow true crime youtubers
@@Frioxo I was just thinking that. I just saw him on another video.
I’m 17 and wouldn’t even think to do anything like this. She had so much life to live. Jealousy is a disease
I know, I had many arguments and disagreements with my best friends but neither I nor them ever thought about killing each other!
You sure it's right this is the second story where best friends kill each other that other story where that girl got killed by her two best friends that's in prison jealousy and it don't take a lot for somebody to be jealous of you it's just a little things your size your hair just the little things somebody can get really jealous of and take your life just as the snap of a finger
But why in the united states? I read about this case some years about a highschool footballer who had plans to go to military school along with his girlfriend, anyway he ended up having sex with a cheerleader onboard of the bus while going home after an away match. He confessed to his girlfriend, she forgave him to begin with, but after a couple of days/weeks she demanded that he should kill the cheerleader otherwise she would dump him. And he turned out to be enough of a pussy to go along with it, so he took his car and drove off to pick her up so they could talk about the sex thing, she went inside the car having no idea that his girlfriend was hiding in the backseat with a club or something. She got knocked out and was taken to this forest by a lake were she was shot twice in the head. The couple graduated and went off to military school and everything was peachy until the girlfriend confessed the whole thing during a game of truth or dare. Why does some of the worse things happen in the usa? Clown serial killers, Natural Selection school shootings and Massage parlour mass shootings?
@@dontneednomanstoptelllingm8481 If you can get to a point where something as small as hair or somebody’s looks can drive you to plan to murder them not only do you need help but maybe, just maybe you need killing, sorry to say that but people like that just don’t belong among society they’re sick people, to say the least they spent 23 years in jail, fuck that
@@dontneednomanstoptelllingm8481 Yup
Payton leutner got Stabbed 19 times by her friends but thankfully she survived
Dont forget Skylar Neese case
But Skylar Neese Died
Sav at the beginning of every single video: “As you can tell the set up is a little different today.” 😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️
She’s so nice 🥰
@@kGB397 she’s so greedy
@@Sewfyt how so, greedy?
How is she greedy??
I'm thinkin the greedy comment was sarcasm.... Maybe.... I would think so at least
I’m so glad that Karen doesn’t receive any money from that book. She doesn’t deserve any of it 🤬
She became obsessed with Missy and also saw her ghost? That sounds like a weird way to handle guilt, killers do odd things when they had a close relationship with the victim. IMO she killed her because she felt Missy would get the attention she wanted from everyone so that's why Karen told her mother she was a.. Not so decent girl. There's guilty written all over Karen.
Her jealous ass
@@oAgL214 When these killer teenyboppers move in with the family of the person they murdered and become obsessed, why does this not set off alarm bells in the families of the dead girls? To me, it screams guilty, guilty, guilty.
@@lemorab1 exactly!
Remember hearing "jealousy is a disease" growing up? This is the prime example.
so true
They literally drove/followed and lured her to the creek and only got 2nd degree? Was that a plea deal? Ugh ridiculous
The jury said there wasn't enough evidence to convict them of 1st degree murder.
I think that their age had a lot to do with it too, unfortunately.
People underage are usually given more leniency especially in California
Smh
I agree but in a court of law, there isnt proof of pre meditation. no proof. I think they planned it for weeks, myself!
If she truly changed... she wouldn’t have written a book that makes her seem like she has that victim mentality. If anything she would write a book admitting her full responsibility and mistake in what she did.
She hasn’t changed 👌🏼
Honestly, the fact that she even wrote a book and tried to profit off of her crime sickens me.
She still playing victim! Smh! Sick twisted woman
She really wasn’t her friend because she was obsessed with her deeply and as for Laura she just hated her so much that’s why she planned it and then finished it they she be lock up for life just saying wow
Or executed
Did they really serve there time tho? 20 years for taking a life? 17 year olds know what they are doing and they intentionally murdered her. I don’t feel bad for them, I definitely don’t think Karen has changed. And in my opinion they should have gotten and served a longer sentence.
From what I heard they did charge them with first degree muder but the jury didn't believe they had it plan so they settled on second degree murder
Karen served 21.5 years and got out in 2011 Lauren served 22 and got out in 2012
Exactly, there's certain cases where the kids are making choices based on their environment and have a high chance of rehabilitation, but ones like this where there's malice and they're over 15 they should be tried as adults
20 years is a long time but there could be many reasons why they didn't get life in prison who knows
@@hollyclevinger3158 some BS from the judge because the girls actually did plan the whole thing
Anti-bullying advocate!? That's like a freaking crack dealer handing out pipes and saying "don't do drugs, kids!" PEOPLE can change, yet there are still lasting consequences to someone's actions! She TRIED and failed to cash out from HER CRIME! She's not sorry. She hasn't changed.
Wait so what happened to Karen’s baby?? Sounds like she returned from her pregnancy and went back to normal life? Did she give it up for adoption or something?
She was actually pregnant again when she murdered missy. She also tried to frame the murder on 2 different guys including the baby daddy and they were beaten up horribly from be suspicion. Karen aborted the baby even tho she was pretty far along. She’s way more twisted than this UA-camr realizes
@@colleenjohnstoncomedy3036 wtaf! She's disgusting
Probably her family raised the child.
That’s what I’d like to know. I’m wondering if her baby knows who her mother/Karen is, if Karen’s family kept her in their lives or isolated her out.
I find it odd that there is nothing about this or what’s up with Laura. But I guess Laura isn’t trying to bring attention to herself like Karen (who still seems desperate attention). And I guess there’s nothing about Karen’s baby for the purpose of protecting her baby.
She should have been executed as punishment
Watched this case years ago on an old episode of deadly women. I will never forget how they left her with a log on her neck…true and pure, unfiltered evil and jealousy
Someone that takes someone else’s life will never change. It’s literally abnormal no matter what. Time can’t fix that kind of evil idc what anyone says
So true
Why they let those 2 out of jail is beyond me. Karen sounds like a phony to me...
There is a movie done on this called “Killer Among Friends” this is was my moms cousin
As soon as I heard the name “Karen” I knew 😅
After hearing this and cases like Shanda Sharer it really pisses me off that they get lighter charges due to their age.
Unfortunately there is extensive research about how brains aren’t fully developed until age 25 or 26. But neither should have been paroled IMO
They should have been executed
Shanda sharers case is so sad!
After watching that movie ‘A Killer Among Friends’ years ago, this is my first time actually hearing the case. So sad what jealousy and obsession can do.
That's a good movie 😊😊
Where can I watch it at ?
At least they found out the truth, so many of these cases are a mystery.
This reminds me so much of the Skylar Neese case.
The only difference was
They killed Skylar because they
Didn't want to be friends with her
Anymore
I thought that, as well
It still baffles me how those monstrous scumbags thought that not wanting to be friends with someone, was a valid excuse, to murder them, as if there is any valid excuse to begin with, there IS NO EXCUSE. They are vile creatures. Rest in peace to Michele Missy Avila and Skylar Annette Neese.♥️💓 They deserved way better than, what happened to them, they didn't deserve it AT ALL. It still breaks my heart to this day, still brings me to tears.
I dont think Karen changed given the fact that she started to make money off of someone she murdered that made me not feel so right and now talking about bullying??? Yeah no on the other hand Lauren or Laura you said? Maybe she has since she has stayed on the DL since her release but who knows 🤷🏻♀️
Missy’s family stopped Karen legally from being able to profit.
One of the few true crime people I’ll watch the second I get the notification. Also one of the few I’ll watch because their voice isn’t annoying to me (no offense to some youtubers, you just have to have a special voice for me to listen to a 30+ minute video)
Righttt I just can’t listen those who have a accent and I love how she mentions background info about the victims and killers some youtubers just tell the story!
@@germyahbennett119 Everyone has an accent.
@@rapa2894 strong accent* more specifically
I love Kendall Rae, Christina Randall and Bailey Sarian as well. They have awesome voices and they tell background and everything.
@@janasmith1682 I love Kendal Rae and Bella Fiori (I think that’s how you spell her last name). They’re my top two
The depths of heartlessness demonstrated in these young women is absolutely astounding... the depths never cease to amaze me...
Video starts at 5:00
Yw lovelies
Thank you!
Sounds like all michele friends was jealous of her
Thank you for doing Missys case. I asked and it was done. This has been part of my life since i was a todler. Karen was my moms best friend. This is everything i grew up in. I remember the day Karen finally got arrested. She listened to tapes in our home from an "anonymous" person saying she killed Missy. I knew ut as a child. Karen is pure evil i have known from day one. Everyone i grew up with (my most memorable years) is in the life time movie that was made too. A Stranger Among Friends.
I think if a person murders while they're drunk, or on drugs, or under the influence of an outside source, they can change. But I think someone who murders out of jealousy or because they were angry, or something trivial, they were just looking for a reason and I don't believe they can change. I'm sure it's not quite as black and white as that, but that's my opinion.
In terms of whether she changed or not: It seems like she has good intentions however, her narcissistic traits and seemingly underlying childhood issues (needing validation, wanting that acceptance from a family dynamic, etc...) prevent her from truly changing. So no I don't think she has "truly" changed. Glad you had a nice break! 😊💜
At 22:35 she said “Karen” in a way that made me laugh so hard because I really felt that. But seriously Karen’s behaviour post release is extremely disturbing. You’ve got to watch out for friends who are jealous of you - they are dangerous
You so correct. Learnt this recently in my Forties.
@@mochacholat OMG how?
@@Maximus5775 yup
wow how can your bff just look at u and not help and just let the die wow
I was thinking about that same movie while listening to this!!
I don't think there's a limit to who can change, but I do think there are tell-tale signs to change. Remorse and taking accountability is a huge sign that they've changed. But it doesn't sound like she's done that. This is honestly such a sad case.
Now I want to watch A Killer Among Friends! It’s based on this case!
It's on FB
It is a good movie. Patty Duke plays the mother. Tiffany Amber Thiessen play Michele but her name is Jenny in the movie.
It’s a really good movie.
They made a movie about it called a killer among friends!! It’s a really good movie
This case is so crazy. The girls just acted so normal when they knew what they did
I saw a tv movie about this years ago with Tiffany Thiessen as Missy and Patty Duke as her Mom. The movie was called called "A Killer Among Friends" really good movie, very sad story.
You would think the police would think it was personal with her chopped off and her hair riped out this hass always bothered me
Omg I had a best friend like this once! It started getting legitimately terrifying and I ended up just moving suddenly and blocking her number to get away. She was so possessive and hated that I had other friends and wanted to spend all of our time together and kept track of where I was at all times. Like what??? Girl, I was 20... a full grown adult...
Wow. Id rather be a loner than have "friends" like these.
I love your channel and always watch your videos but 3 sponsors a video?? It's making me want to unsubscribe, no one else does more than one and 3 every time seems to be a little greedy especially when we come to hear the stories of victims and their families and to help raise awareness. Sorry nothing personal x
I love the true crime videos but does anyone else miss Sav’s “drive with me” videos and her other posts? 🥺🥺🥺
I cant believe how good Karen and Laura were at lying! Karen and Laura should have been given life for what they did to Missy, their friend. They murdered her!
The question at the end had me stumped. I honestly do not have an answer for it. This is in spite of me working in Law Enforcement for nearly a decade. I have seen people change their lives around in my career, even a few murderer's. I honestly question Karen, something does not add up to me. Why was Lori's (not sure how she spells her name) the one to kill Missy if her main beef or multiple beefs were with Karen. .
karen didnt change she was just happy she was getting that attention from the media and everybody else that Missy was always getting that's only reason why she is doing all day that I can't believe people actually trust her to come talk about bullying if you could kill anybody in the cold blood let alone your own best friend that's a point of no return from me
i love sav but i don’t get why she needs so many sponsers on her videos if she still gets ad revenue as ads are still played on your channel i once counted 5 sponsers in one video
It’s literally her job lmao
At least now we know where the term "being a Karen" came from.
Omg thank you for doing this case ! This case makes me cry :’((
100% lived in Missy house. Thats where we would pick her and her daughter (ill leave her name out of it shes innocent) up from on MULTIPLE occasions. My mom was older so when missy was killed I was 4 and when Karen finally was arrested i was 7. When she was arrested i told my mom "i know she did.". No way Karen was not the one who put the log 100 lb on Missy neck. That is known for sure. Shes not remorseful. My mom tried to go to the parole hearing but due to an illness in the family she could not. Mom wanted to keep her in prison that says something after so mamy years. I think it haunted my mom that she had Karen around so much . Mom always knew Karen did it but never admited it. Thank you so mich for finally doing this case. It wasnt too long ago I asked. Not being an "insider" you did very well.
Had my mom watch. She said good job. Lots of things ate insuder things its hard with karens lies. My mom was there at karens the night they killed missy. Karen and eva had lived together for 2 days. Eva moved in on the 1st and the next day when it happened they got into a fight. My mom was tasked with going to karens parents to pick up evas half of the rent since she was moving out. When my mom brought it back to eva she told my mom "this has nothing to do with you" my moms response was "yeah i know." They all went to Byrd jr high(do did my entire fsmily and myself). One time in jr high when missy was leaving the school she was jumpped (karen had it set up). Karen could not fight. She frequently asked my mom to fight for her. Karen had a thing for my dad (step) too. Thankfully she didnt dare touch my dad after my mom and him got together. Hes not named but shown in the lifetime movie. He rode a motorcycle too had a very distinct helmet. Thank you for getting this out there. Karen was brutal and no doubt it was premeditated. She dressed her daughter in missys clothing. Think about how small missy was. Her daughter ill call S(keep er out of it) was same age as me. So in 1985 she was 4 and was in Missys clothing and karen did her hair like missy. Any locals. Switzer falls is where she was. In fact the area looks almost identical now. Missys uncle was a sheriff had to help in locating/identifying her body. I dont member Laura she stayed away I vaguely remember Missy. But i have a hotrible flood of feelings when i think of Karen. The tapes she played. When Karen was at our house i wouls sneak down to watch my mom because i always thought she was going to hurt us. So strange. Mom says she never thought Karem really did it when they were friends because they were together that night (buts she knew deep down). Karen was setting my mom up as an alibi. My mom said "fuck no" when it came down to it. She called Karens dad the day she got arrested and my mom says "ill never forget the rxact words" he said "... She did it" (leaving moms name out too). I cant thank you enough. Theres a ton of things that are more inside and well not from karens mouth but yes this is ehat happened!
Hi, please cover the unsolved case of Lucy Sands, she was a 16 year old girl who disappeared from Cumberland England in December of 1881 and her body was discovered 3 months later in March 1882. Would love to learn more on this story!