Hi Zygrene, it’s Jaden, owner of the 987. Thank you so much for giving my car a review. Great points and thoughts on it. Just want to say awesome video as always and I look forward for more of your videos to come. 👍
Something interesting to note, the base model 987.1 does not suffer from bore scoring like the larger M97 engines do (3.4L and up). Porsche used a different material for the pistons in the 2.7 motor so these cars rarely suffer from bore scoring. They're also quite affordable, so I'd highly recommend considering the base if you're interested in a 987 Cayman. I've owned both a base and S, and the base offers more than enough performance. Don't overlook it.
@@dre32pitt Totally agree with this, the 2.9 in the 987.2 is a great motor. If you can find one for a reasonable price, get it. The 987.1 base tends to be significantly cheaper, so if the budget doesn't stretch far enough, it's still a good option. The IMS is almost a non issue with the 987 cars. Failures are extremely rare, about 1% from the info I've heard.
@@IronicTonic8 funny you mention 987.1 failures.. my 987.1 CS I sold to my good buddy let go on track.. 5th session of the day.. I felt terrible.. I didn't track it as hard as him.. he went and got new struts, GT3 control arms, and proper brake pads/fluids.. If I get another P-Car, gonna be a 987.2 or 981.1 base Cayman or boxster since I can't afford a 997.2 that's had proper oil in it from get go (only real way to keep bore scoring away.. max lubricity).. on the positive side, the Blackstone report showed 0 signs of bore scoring (done pre IMS letting go).. myself and the previous owner (PCA VP of the area) only used high lubricity oils.. car had close to 90k when it went boom.. had sport chrono too :( Edit: that being said, I'd be interested to test drive a base 718 manual.. more low-end grunt, but lacks the flat-6 howl.. but I bet it handles like a slice of heaven.. and one positive of not having the flat-6 is you won't want to ring it out as much, thus negating the tall ass gearing lol
I have base 718 with the 2,0 engine, manual gearbox and porsche sports exhaust and I just love the deeper sound it has and the pops and bangs when changing gears
Nice review! I own a 2023 Porsche Cayman T with 6-speed manual. I'm blown away at how good these cars are. Based on almost 10k miles and a year of ownership, these are my opinions on the Cayman T: 1. For driver engagement, manual transmission is the way to go. I appreciate the PDK transmission, but I find the manual simply more fun; 2. For fun, spirited driving on the street, these cars need to be driven in Sport mode and not the normal mode. Throttle response is noticeably better, the exhaust valves open up and gets slightly louder, you get the "pops and burbles" with the Sport mode tune, and, IMHO, the engine just sounds much better; 3. The interior is modern and has excellent ergonomics; 4. Handling and steering is excellent; 5. The turbo flat 4 engine has lots of torque above 3k RPM. It pulls out of corners with gusto; 6. I love the way the 718 Caymans look. It has balanced proportions; 7. Surprisingly, I get a lot of comments on how good the car looks. Overall, I' very pleased with my Cayman T. I'd still love to get a 992 GT3 at some point but I'd have a hard time selling the Cayman T to fund a GT3.
I’ve owned my ‘21 718 T for about 6 months now and it is the only car I have ever owned that I actually think about driving more. I’ll drive it to work some days and will sit at my desk and think about my drive in. Never had this experience in any other car I have owned.
same same man. I have a 2018 GTS and it saddens me that everyone doesn't have the pleasure of driving this machine. Everyone deserves to understand just how fun, nimble, and punchy this car is.
@@93455Driver I can’t comment on the S since I never had a chance to drive one, but I will say the base motor is great in this car. It never upsets the chassis and feels right. Sure there’s a little lag in low rpms, but it is no slouch. The T just feels like a pure driving experience, not trying to be something more than what it is
I love driving my 718 Cayman S 6MT. I was initially skeptical about these flat-4 turbos, but a little history and thinking convinced me to give them a chance, and I'm glad I did. Porsche has a long history with turbocharging starting in the 70's and they have a longer history with flat-4 engines. Furthermore, these 2l and 2.5l turbo engines were specially developed (based on the 991's 3.0 and 3.8 turbos) for the 718. With a 7500 RPM redline, but a ton of torque from 2k to 5k, these cars allow for lots of (short) shifting to keep the engine at torque peak despite the long gears, while you can also rev them out if you have the road for that. Yes, the sound is different but different is not necessarily worse.
Thanks for not down playing the sound issue on 718. After renting a 981 S and loving the sound, then getting a 718 GTS manual, I missed the flat 6 sound for sure. Solid review
Hey Z man, awesome video! Being that i already own a 06 CS, id say go for the 718 T, its a beautiful car and comparing that flat 6 to the turbo 4 is like apples and oranges, i drove a 2018 718 GTS and after 30 seconds of driving it, it didn't make a difference, it was such a great car even with the PDK.
Nice and honest review Zygrene. You are unique in that you have been fortunate enough to drive almost every flavor of Porsche there is. I know I have beat this dead horse comment before, but there is a lot of joy to be had from the 987 generation compared to the newer models. Porsche just did such a great job right out of the box with the 987 generation. I agree with you that sound is a HUGE part of the driving experience! It makes me sad about the Boxster/Cayman going full electric. I am sure they will be the fastest version yet and handle great, but all while being silent??!! Can't imagine that being too much fun, unless maybe they will do a sound version like the Ioniq did.
My buddy had one of these and honestly we all like power but you really don't need a whole lot more than this for the canyons. And with NSX prices and other Porsche prices where they are, these continue to be one of the best experiences for the money that you can get. And I believe the 2.7 is not quite as problematic as the larger motor. I think a 987.2 with the 2.9 might be the real dark horse.
I own a 987.2 cayman s and had a 987.2 base previously, both manuals. Both remarkably fun cars, with slightly different characters and, like my kids I love them equally. My CS is lower mileage and has sport chrono which gives razor sharp throttle response that. For single car ownership I would opt for the 718 as a do it all car. But if you have a daily and the cayman is for Sunday backroad driving I would pick the raw engagement, flat six howl, and rowing through the gears of the 987s which is simply an incredible experience. And as far as values go, I can’t see the 718 even the same, giving the same, never mind 3x the joy of a 987.
I agree that the 987 is the more fun car even though the 718 is more capable. I own a 987.1 base and am absolutely in love with it. I’m surprised how much I enjoy it because I also own a 981 Spyder and for 90% of drives the 987 is just more fun. I can use the car and enjoy a drive without needing to go so fast that it becomes dangerous. It has a more classic Porsche feeling that is so pleasant to drive at 5/10s. The Spyder feels 2-3 generations newer but it requires you to push it harder to extract that fun. The reward when you do is extraordinary, but it’s a special occasion car where the 987 makes regular drives feel special. When I drove the 718 base it has that same capable feeling as the Spyder where you need to push it to have fun, but it completely lacks the tight tuning and exquisite soundtrack from the flat 6. The 718 is a great car but in comparison to a 987 it just falls flat both in that sense of engagement at 5/10s and in the excitement at 9/10s. It was just disappointing. A great car, but could’ve been so much more.
I also had a 2021 718 T, the pasm sport and ptv gives it so much capability (I had a 2019 718 base prior to that). As others have said, the manual in the T completes the driver involvement picture. Just having a shorter lever makes a big difference vs the base/S/GTS manual. And that may help one get over the engine sound.
Thanks for the thoughtful review! Ive come to trust your assessments, so i find your reviews really useful. i just bought a 987.2 base boxter 6mt, with the 2.9L motor. I love it and, while its not as fast as my prior 997.1 2S, I enjoy it as much/more. While we all love power, i don't really need it. I'm forced to use all the revs, and shift alot, which I relish. The approach I take is that this car has so much to teach me, It will take alot of time till i learn all its lessons... I side by side tested a base 981.1 2.7 6mt and i liked my 987.2 better. a little more pull, a little less engine sound, meaningfully less raw. (Side note, i think the 987.2 boxter is the best looking one, incorporating the historically classic Porsche looks, the 991/2 are great, but go in a different direction.) Again, great work!
The something about the 987 that's speaking to you is the 17s. They make a huge difference. Totally wakes up the 987 chassis. You should try some on your 3.4.
Great video. I’m fortunate to have a 987.2 S as well as a 982.2 GTS 4.0. If I had to say which is my favorite, it’s the 987. Mine has a few mods and they make it a fantastic car: Ohlins, Tarrett sways, GT3 MC, GT3 shifter. It’s the car I will likely NEVER sell. The new GTS is a great car, but you love it with your mind. The 987 you love with your heart. ❤🏎
I test drove every variant and I love my 718 Boxster T. Agree that the 987 has better steering feedback but I couldn't get over that aging/plastic fantastic interior and lack of creature comforts since I daily mine. The sound of the flat 4 isn't quite flat 6, but it's best case scenario for a turbo 4, especially when you leave it in sport mode (it burbles and pops off throttle more). Basically its a 718 GTS without the NA engine for $30-40k less, and a stage 1 tune reliably gets you a monster that can hang with the GTS/GT4. 981 gen has the best sound of the bunch, but feels like the heavier/less nimble car of all three and still lacks the tech. IMO if you want a weekender go 987, but if you want a daily go 718. Surprised the owner of this 718 Cayman spec'ed the leather seats when the T gets exclusive Sport-tex cloth seats, which are amazing. The 6 speed manual is also better in the T because it gets the GT4 shifter. Both things you can't even get in the S or GTS.
ha..knew you were going to say dont sound the same..all reviews do..its about speed, performance, handeling..still sounds great..iv had 987.1, 981 and now the 718s..and love this car..so quick and handleing is awsome.
Great review as always. 100% agreed that sound is extremely important (and not just electronically injected sounds) when it comes to a sports car. Personally, the induction and engine noises are major factors I consider. For around $20K budget, a 987.1 cayman is pretty hard to beat as a whole package. Also, it doesnt suffer from bore scoring problems like the 987.1 S models.
I have a 2007 987.1 S bought at Brumos in 2010. Did the Hurley Haywood driver training. Headers, gt3 manifold, flashed the chip, machined aluminum short throw shifter, sport clutch, aluminum flywheel, Bilstein R9 shocks... 20" Turbo wheels... Bought with 42k on the clock presently 489,000 miles... Engine runs like a top... 365 hp 0-60 around 4 sec flat. Best car I've ever owned. Oil chg and filter every 5-6k. Engine has never been opened up. Scoped... No scoring. Buy a used S model flat 6 3.4L 911 engine... In fact 90% of the part numbers are 911. Have fun... Learn how to drive a manual... Screw the pdk... Porsche dealer mechanic from Germany said pdks don't last. $30k to replace. Unless you're racing... Get the manual. John Russell Dade City Florida
I might be alone here but the base model Boxster/Caymans are more fun that the S models most of the time. You can push them a lot more on regular driving and enjoy the sweet sound.
Another great video Zygrene! Also a 987.1 Cayman owner here without sport Chrono. To you or anyone else, I notice the TC or some other nanny cutting power coming out of sharp 2nd gear corners. Sounds like a clunking sound from the back. Tried removing the yaw sensor to disable psm but that didn't solve it. Any ideas?
sure most people are gonna say 987.2 or 981. 981 is so popular now lol flat 6 + modern comfort + identical interior and chassis as the newest generation
I’ve owned 987.2 and 981 Cayman, the 981 is so advanced in the chassis department and that is what sets them apart plus better efficiency of the direction injection engine.
I own a 2018 Cayman GTS, which has the 2.5L 4-cylinder engine. I had the opportunity to drive a Cayman GTS 4.0 at Barber Motorsports Park last year. I have to say that I did not notice much of a difference in the handling, performance or even the exhaust notes between the two cars. Certainly, the gearing is tall in either example. However, with the turbo charging in my GTS, which is between 1,900 and 5,000 rpm's, I find that if you just shift within the torque band the performance is optimized and renders the tall gearing moot. Frankly, how fast can one go, even with spirted driving, on regular roads. I live in Montana where it is relatively easy to open it up. I can easily get up to 85 mph in second gear if I want to approach red line. I find this unnecessary especially considering that when I am driving the tight and twisty roads, anything more than that speed is not safe. The 4-cylinder 718 GTS is an under rated and unappreciated car. It would be nice if it had a little more growl. No car is perfect.
I wonder if a turbocharged K24 can be swapped in this as the 987? I'd rather listen to the sound of that motor than this one. Time to look for a 718 with a blown motor 😏
For me as an owner of a 987.1 base Cayman a very interesting comparison! I spent 20k€ (22k$) 4 years ago for a 2007 model, 5 speed manual, in a very good shape. I'll keep this sports car as long as possible, since maintaining the simple mechanic is not that challenging.But I would also like to drive the new 718. However, I can certainly do without the electric successors announced for 2025
I've mostly seen the Cayman on this channel. Would you say that the cayman is a better car than the carrera in your opinion? I honestly like the cayman more because its can be beautiful for less than the really good looking Carrera
As with most things, opinions differ. I think it matters what your goals are. With my Base 718 tuned and modified exhaust, I can give GT4s and 991.1 Turbo S a rum for their money in the canyons. Interestingly enough, I get lots of positive comments on the exhaust note. I think this model has the highest smile-to-dollar ratio!
The earlier 6 cylinders sound better at 5k variable valve timing change (2000 to 2008 yrs) than new motors 2009 when PDK also introduced. Those non S motors never suffered bore scoring and IMS failure possible but rare enough yet gotta check thoroughly before buying. Now gen3 boxster/gen2 cayman w newer sheetmetal, gorgeous, lost hydraulic steering and w 718 later lost 6 cylinders as default. However, power and sharpness dramatically increased. When 4 cyl turbo models get cheaper, I'd still consider. I daily 1999 911 base cab manual (beg of water cooled), and a 2009 Boxster 2.9L base PDK, and previously owned Boxster 2000 2.7 tip auto and 2007 2.7 tip auto, so lots of seat time. 911 w back seat still key per having kids.
My preference is the 987generation of the Cayman and I own a 2010 gen 2 Cayman S. If I were to have another Cayman a 987.2 (base) equipped with the 2.9 MA1/9A1 would be my next pick. I haven't driven the 718 Cayman and I'm sure they are a good car, but I don't think it's my cup of tea.
I would imagine the base 987 would feel very similar to my S2000, and of course you would be able to relate to that! Thinking of replacing my Honda with a 987!
Having both, I'd say the ap1 is more raw/darty and takes more focus to drive well. 987.1 base is more forgiving even with a track alignment, has better mid corner balance and very good steering feel. If I did it again I should have gotten the 987.1 first to learn to drive.
Cool thing about the Cayman/Boxster models most people do not know is that they're basically a 911 underneath.. With better balanced engine layout for a lot less money.. This video explains: ua-cam.com/video/z8RDTsr9POA/v-deo.html&
I used to own the turbo 4 Cayman GTS. I ended up selling it as I didnt like the shifter and steering feel much and it was too planted to make it fun on back roads, almost like Audi stability. I switched to a GR86, which felt more tossable. Now Im in an ND3 MX5 and the inputs are better than either of those.
My pick would be a 981 S manual if I had the money. I’d go non-s 987 if I were on a lower budget. Doesn’t have the bore scoring issues of that gen from what I understand. I’d also save some money for repairs/upgrades. I’d skip any 4-cyl 718. I tried a base 718 on Turo and the 4-cyl was such a letdown. Felt like a GTI engine, which is fine, but nothing special, particularly at that price.
Assuming the 987 doesn't go bang, that would be my choice all day long. The 718 might be a "better" car, but sports cars are surely about driving fun, and the 987 sounds like it is superior in this respect, which is the most important thing for cars like this. The 987 also looks much prettier to my eyes, and the interior design, if not quality of materials, looks nicer too. For a sports car the 718 interior looks too chintzy with lots of ugly chrome (or or is it shiny silver plastic?!). Such a shame that as some tech like chassis stiffness and suspension and brakes improved, others like steering, feedback, and the engine got worse. Even a GT4RS which should be the greatest Cayman ever has EPAS and an auto box and no manual clutch....
Like the pdk gear paddles exactly where they are on my Boxster 981 I don't agree with you regarding the placement of the pdk paddles I think they're perfectly placed
Did not watch the video, but I am guessing you like the old school 987 for the sound and steering.... pretty much what every reviewer says when a 718 4cyl is part of the review....genrally the summary is the 718 is faster, nicer, handles better but since it is a 4cyl and only sounds ok to good for a 4cyl you need to parrot Chris Harris and cry sacrilege. If I am wrong about your review I apologize.
987.1 Rear unfortunately just looks ugly. Ugly looking cars are no options for me. To me the 718 Cayman on the other hand with the right color and the right rims is one of the best looking Porsches of all time. This All-Black looks boring. AllBlack always look boring
Both are very nice - I'd go for the older 987. As good as they are, however, neither can hold a candle to the 914. Porsche 914 - There is no substitute.
@@computerhelpcc I guess that's why the 914 won the GTS class and finished sixth overall, besting all the 911 entries, in its first outing at the 1970 24 Hours of Le Mans. Too, I suspect you've never driven one. And, insofar as Mr. Baruth is concerned, I'd be interested in knowing the factual basis of his verdict. Perhaps not enough robots doing the work for him?
Hi Zygrene, it’s Jaden, owner of the 987. Thank you so much for giving my car a review. Great points and thoughts on it. Just want to say awesome video as always and I look forward for more of your videos to come. 👍
Something interesting to note, the base model 987.1 does not suffer from bore scoring like the larger M97 engines do (3.4L and up). Porsche used a different material for the pistons in the 2.7 motor so these cars rarely suffer from bore scoring. They're also quite affordable, so I'd highly recommend considering the base if you're interested in a 987 Cayman. I've owned both a base and S, and the base offers more than enough performance. Don't overlook it.
I'd say go for the 987.2 base.. 2.9.. no cylinder lining (cause of bore scoring) AND no IMS.
@@dre32pitt Totally agree with this, the 2.9 in the 987.2 is a great motor. If you can find one for a reasonable price, get it. The 987.1 base tends to be significantly cheaper, so if the budget doesn't stretch far enough, it's still a good option. The IMS is almost a non issue with the 987 cars. Failures are extremely rare, about 1% from the info I've heard.
@@IronicTonic8 funny you mention 987.1 failures.. my 987.1 CS I sold to my good buddy let go on track.. 5th session of the day.. I felt terrible.. I didn't track it as hard as him.. he went and got new struts, GT3 control arms, and proper brake pads/fluids..
If I get another P-Car, gonna be a 987.2 or 981.1 base Cayman or boxster since I can't afford a 997.2 that's had proper oil in it from get go (only real way to keep bore scoring away.. max lubricity).. on the positive side, the Blackstone report showed 0 signs of bore scoring (done pre IMS letting go).. myself and the previous owner (PCA VP of the area) only used high lubricity oils.. car had close to 90k when it went boom.. had sport chrono too :(
Edit: that being said, I'd be interested to test drive a base 718 manual.. more low-end grunt, but lacks the flat-6 howl.. but I bet it handles like a slice of heaven.. and one positive of not having the flat-6 is you won't want to ring it out as much, thus negating the tall ass gearing lol
well said, my 987.1 boxster is on 171k miles.
I have base 718 with the 2,0 engine, manual gearbox and porsche sports exhaust and I just love the deeper sound it has and the pops and bangs when changing gears
Nice review! I own a 2023 Porsche Cayman T with 6-speed manual. I'm blown away at how good these cars are. Based on almost 10k miles and a year of ownership, these are my opinions on the Cayman T: 1. For driver engagement, manual transmission is the way to go. I appreciate the PDK transmission, but I find the manual simply more fun; 2. For fun, spirited driving on the street, these cars need to be driven in Sport mode and not the normal mode. Throttle response is noticeably better, the exhaust valves open up and gets slightly louder, you get the "pops and burbles" with the Sport mode tune, and, IMHO, the engine just sounds much better; 3. The interior is modern and has excellent ergonomics; 4. Handling and steering is excellent; 5. The turbo flat 4 engine has lots of torque above 3k RPM. It pulls out of corners with gusto; 6. I love the way the 718 Caymans look. It has balanced proportions; 7. Surprisingly, I get a lot of comments on how good the car looks. Overall, I' very pleased with my Cayman T. I'd still love to get a 992 GT3 at some point but I'd have a hard time selling the Cayman T to fund a GT3.
I’ve owned my ‘21 718 T for about 6 months now and it is the only car I have ever owned that I actually think about driving more. I’ll drive it to work some days and will sit at my desk and think about my drive in. Never had this experience in any other car I have owned.
+1 Same here with my T. I could easily use it as a daily driver.
same same man. I have a 2018 GTS and it saddens me that everyone doesn't have the pleasure of driving this machine. Everyone deserves to understand just how fun, nimble, and punchy this car is.
In terms of driving fun, is the 718 S worth the extra $? I like cars where I get to use of the engine, hence the base engine seems okay to me.
@@93455Driver I can’t comment on the S since I never had a chance to drive one, but I will say the base motor is great in this car. It never upsets the chassis and feels right. Sure there’s a little lag in low rpms, but it is no slouch. The T just feels like a pure driving experience, not trying to be something more than what it is
@@Bk71290 Thanks, will have to research the T.
One of the cool things about the T is that it gets the GT4 short shifter (if manual). It's unfortunate that you didn't get to test a manual version
I love driving my 718 Cayman S 6MT. I was initially skeptical about these flat-4 turbos, but a little history and thinking convinced me to give them a chance, and I'm glad I did. Porsche has a long history with turbocharging starting in the 70's and they have a longer history with flat-4 engines. Furthermore, these 2l and 2.5l turbo engines were specially developed (based on the 991's 3.0 and 3.8 turbos) for the 718. With a 7500 RPM redline, but a ton of torque from 2k to 5k, these cars allow for lots of (short) shifting to keep the engine at torque peak despite the long gears, while you can also rev them out if you have the road for that. Yes, the sound is different but different is not necessarily worse.
Somehow you always review things i’m personally looking at around the same time. Have an eye on an 981 for the 6 cyl noise and newer updated interiors
Thanks for not down playing the sound issue on 718. After renting a 981 S and loving the sound, then getting a 718 GTS manual, I missed the flat 6 sound for sure. Solid review
you bought a 718 GTS with the turbo 4?
@@ThatCaymanGuy Correct. 2019 718 gts 6 speed w/ the 2.5L turbo, stage 1 tuned with APR
@@warmachine_ Those are fantastic cars.
Hey Z man, awesome video! Being that i already own a 06 CS, id say go for the 718 T, its a beautiful car and comparing that flat 6 to the turbo 4 is like apples and oranges, i drove a 2018 718 GTS and after 30 seconds of driving it, it didn't make a difference, it was such a great car even with the PDK.
To summarize: Buy a 987 base cayman and put the $40k in savings in a growth stock mutual fund.
The base cayman 987.1 is purity and simplicity at very good value. Plus the 2.7 is a joy to push hard and very reliable.
Nice and honest review Zygrene. You are unique in that you have been fortunate enough to drive almost every flavor of Porsche there is. I know I have beat this dead horse comment before, but there is a lot of joy to be had from the 987 generation compared to the newer models. Porsche just did such a great job right out of the box with the 987 generation. I agree with you that sound is a HUGE part of the driving experience! It makes me sad about the Boxster/Cayman going full electric. I am sure they will be the fastest version yet and handle great, but all while being silent??!! Can't imagine that being too much fun, unless maybe they will do a sound version like the Ioniq did.
My buddy had one of these and honestly we all like power but you really don't need a whole lot more than this for the canyons. And with NSX prices and other Porsche prices where they are, these continue to be one of the best experiences for the money that you can get. And I believe the 2.7 is not quite as problematic as the larger motor. I think a 987.2 with the 2.9 might be the real dark horse.
The reviews I want to see! Loving the Porsche vs Porsche lineups.
Great timing. I used to have a 987 Cayman s and have been thinking about a 718 T. Great video as ever. Thanks.
The view from the rear view mirror of the hips on the 987 is 😍👌👏
I own a 987.2 cayman s and had a 987.2 base previously, both manuals. Both remarkably fun cars, with slightly different characters and, like my kids I love them equally. My CS is lower mileage and has sport chrono which gives razor sharp throttle response that. For single car ownership I would opt for the 718 as a do it all car. But if you have a daily and the cayman is for Sunday backroad driving I would pick the raw engagement, flat six howl, and rowing through the gears of the 987s which is simply an incredible experience. And as far as values go, I can’t see the 718 even the same, giving the same, never mind 3x the joy of a 987.
What is it about a 718 that makes it so much more of a viable option as a single car?
I own a 718 T PDK, it is a great package indeed!
I think the Flat 4 turbo sounds amazing
I agree that the 987 is the more fun car even though the 718 is more capable.
I own a 987.1 base and am absolutely in love with it. I’m surprised how much I enjoy it because I also own a 981 Spyder and for 90% of drives the 987 is just more fun. I can use the car and enjoy a drive without needing to go so fast that it becomes dangerous. It has a more classic Porsche feeling that is so pleasant to drive at 5/10s.
The Spyder feels 2-3 generations newer but it requires you to push it harder to extract that fun. The reward when you do is extraordinary, but it’s a special occasion car where the 987 makes regular drives feel special.
When I drove the 718 base it has that same capable feeling as the Spyder where you need to push it to have fun, but it completely lacks the tight tuning and exquisite soundtrack from the flat 6. The 718 is a great car but in comparison to a 987 it just falls flat both in that sense of engagement at 5/10s and in the excitement at 9/10s. It was just disappointing. A great car, but could’ve been so much more.
I also had a 2021 718 T, the pasm sport and ptv gives it so much capability (I had a 2019 718 base prior to that). As others have said, the manual in the T completes the driver involvement picture. Just having a shorter lever makes a big difference vs the base/S/GTS manual. And that may help one get over the engine sound.
Thanks for the thoughtful review! Ive come to trust your assessments, so i find your reviews really useful. i just bought a 987.2 base boxter 6mt, with the 2.9L motor. I love it and, while its not as fast as my prior 997.1 2S, I enjoy it as much/more. While we all love power, i don't really need it. I'm forced to use all the revs, and shift alot, which I relish. The approach I take is that this car has so much to teach me, It will take alot of time till i learn all its lessons... I side by side tested a base 981.1 2.7 6mt and i liked my 987.2 better. a little more pull, a little less engine sound, meaningfully less raw. (Side note, i think the 987.2 boxter is the best looking one, incorporating the historically classic Porsche looks, the 991/2 are great, but go in a different direction.) Again, great work!
Wish I could have ordered a Cayman T with the bucket seats when it was for sale...
The something about the 987 that's speaking to you is the 17s. They make a huge difference. Totally wakes up the 987 chassis. You should try some on your 3.4.
Dont forget the 987.1 base models lack of bore score problems compared to the S.
Great video. I’m fortunate to have a 987.2 S as well as a 982.2 GTS 4.0. If I had to say which is my favorite, it’s the 987. Mine has a few mods and they make it a fantastic car: Ohlins, Tarrett sways, GT3 MC, GT3 shifter. It’s the car I will likely NEVER sell. The new GTS is a great car, but you love it with your mind. The 987 you love with your heart. ❤🏎
I test drove every variant and I love my 718 Boxster T. Agree that the 987 has better steering feedback but I couldn't get over that aging/plastic fantastic interior and lack of creature comforts since I daily mine. The sound of the flat 4 isn't quite flat 6, but it's best case scenario for a turbo 4, especially when you leave it in sport mode (it burbles and pops off throttle more). Basically its a 718 GTS without the NA engine for $30-40k less, and a stage 1 tune reliably gets you a monster that can hang with the GTS/GT4. 981 gen has the best sound of the bunch, but feels like the heavier/less nimble car of all three and still lacks the tech. IMO if you want a weekender go 987, but if you want a daily go 718.
Surprised the owner of this 718 Cayman spec'ed the leather seats when the T gets exclusive Sport-tex cloth seats, which are amazing. The 6 speed manual is also better in the T because it gets the GT4 shifter. Both things you can't even get in the S or GTS.
That airbag beep on startup makes me miss my 997
ha..knew you were going to say dont sound the same..all reviews do..its about speed, performance, handeling..still sounds great..iv had 987.1, 981 and now the 718s..and love this car..so quick and handleing is awsome.
Great review as always. 100% agreed that sound is extremely important (and not just electronically injected sounds) when it comes to a sports car. Personally, the induction and engine noises are major factors I consider. For around $20K budget, a 987.1 cayman is pretty hard to beat as a whole package. Also, it doesnt suffer from bore scoring problems like the 987.1 S models.
I have a 2007 987.1 S bought at Brumos in 2010. Did the Hurley Haywood driver training. Headers, gt3 manifold, flashed the chip, machined aluminum short throw shifter, sport clutch, aluminum flywheel, Bilstein R9 shocks... 20" Turbo wheels... Bought with 42k on the clock presently 489,000 miles... Engine runs like a top... 365 hp 0-60 around 4 sec flat. Best car I've ever owned. Oil chg and filter every 5-6k. Engine has never been opened up. Scoped... No scoring. Buy a used S model flat 6 3.4L 911 engine... In fact 90% of the part numbers are 911. Have fun... Learn how to drive a manual... Screw the pdk... Porsche dealer mechanic from Germany said pdks don't last. $30k to replace. Unless you're racing... Get the manual. John Russell Dade City Florida
@@johnrussell3986 489K miles! Amazing! Yes, not every 987.1S suffers from bore scoring.
Sounds like a heavy flywheel on the 987? Hearing lots of rev hang.
The base 987.2 is a great buy
I might be alone here but the base model Boxster/Caymans are more fun that the S models most of the time. You can push them a lot more on regular driving and enjoy the sweet sound.
After enjoying the sweet fruits of an IMS bearing failure, every time I see an early Boxter/Cayman I involuntary throw up in my mouth just a little 🤢
Another great video Zygrene! Also a 987.1 Cayman owner here without sport Chrono. To you or anyone else, I notice the TC or some other nanny cutting power coming out of sharp 2nd gear corners. Sounds like a clunking sound from the back. Tried removing the yaw sensor to disable psm but that didn't solve it. Any ideas?
Another fantastic video.
sure most people are gonna say 987.2 or 981. 981 is so popular now lol flat 6 + modern comfort + identical interior and chassis as the newest generation
I’ve owned 987.2 and 981 Cayman, the 981 is so advanced in the chassis department and that is what sets them apart plus better efficiency of the direction injection engine.
@@MrRoyck10 i agree. I have a 981 base. Really wanted a 987.2!
@@SicSemperBeats which one is better in your personal opinion? which do you prefer
I'm in a 718 CGTS now, but lord I sure miss my 981S some days.
I'd happily take a Peridot Green Cayman R over them all.
I own a 2018 Cayman GTS, which has the 2.5L 4-cylinder engine. I had the opportunity to drive a Cayman GTS 4.0 at Barber Motorsports Park last year. I have to say that I did not notice much of a difference in the handling, performance or even the exhaust notes between the two cars. Certainly, the gearing is tall in either example. However, with the turbo charging in my GTS, which is between 1,900 and 5,000 rpm's, I find that if you just shift within the torque band the performance is optimized and renders the tall gearing moot. Frankly, how fast can one go, even with spirted driving, on regular roads. I live in Montana where it is relatively easy to open it up. I can easily get up to 85 mph in second gear if I want to approach red line. I find this unnecessary especially considering that when I am driving the tight and twisty roads, anything more than that speed is not safe. The 4-cylinder 718 GTS is an under rated and unappreciated car. It would be nice if it had a little more growl. No car is perfect.
I wonder if a turbocharged K24 can be swapped in this as the 987? I'd rather listen to the sound of that motor than this one. Time to look for a 718 with a blown motor 😏
For me as an owner of a 987.1 base Cayman a very interesting comparison! I spent 20k€ (22k$) 4 years ago for a 2007 model, 5 speed manual, in a very good shape. I'll keep this sports car as long as possible, since maintaining the simple mechanic is not that challenging.But I would also like to drive the new 718. However, I can certainly do without the electric successors announced for 2025
Considering prices of 911s have dumped, I would get the big daddy over a Cayman. A nice 997 C2S is amazing and will hold its value much better.
I've mostly seen the Cayman on this channel. Would you say that the cayman is a better car than the carrera in your opinion? I honestly like the cayman more because its can be beautiful for less than the really good looking Carrera
@@majorsnow2835 in older generations I prefer the Cayman's handling, but newer 911's have gotten really, really good
As with most things, opinions differ. I think it matters what your goals are. With my Base 718 tuned and modified exhaust, I can give GT4s and 991.1 Turbo S a rum for their money in the canyons. Interestingly enough, I get lots of positive comments on the exhaust note. I think this model has the highest smile-to-dollar ratio!
Yikes. The (lack of) engine noise and long gearing in that Cayman T are a deal breaker. I was interested but not anymore.
718 spyder 6mt or 360 modena 6mt? They are around the same price now
718 spyder all day. Although Modena is very cool.
Great video
The earlier 6 cylinders sound better at 5k variable valve timing change (2000 to 2008 yrs) than new motors 2009 when PDK also introduced. Those non S motors never suffered bore scoring and IMS failure possible but rare enough yet gotta check thoroughly before buying. Now gen3 boxster/gen2 cayman w newer sheetmetal, gorgeous, lost hydraulic steering and w 718 later lost 6 cylinders as default. However, power and sharpness dramatically increased. When 4 cyl turbo models get cheaper, I'd still consider. I daily 1999 911 base cab manual (beg of water cooled), and a 2009 Boxster 2.9L base PDK, and previously owned Boxster 2000 2.7 tip auto and 2007 2.7 tip auto, so lots of seat time. 911 w back seat still key per having kids.
My preference is the 987generation of the Cayman and I own a 2010 gen 2 Cayman S. If I were to have another Cayman a 987.2 (base) equipped with the 2.9 MA1/9A1 would be my next pick. I haven't driven the 718 Cayman and I'm sure they are a good car, but I don't think it's my cup of tea.
Why would the 2.9 be your pick?
The 2007 badly needs a head unit to modernize the dash a bit. Other than that 🔥🔥🔥
Long live the croc 🐊
I would imagine the base 987 would feel very similar to my S2000, and of course you would be able to relate to that! Thinking of replacing my Honda with a 987!
I sold my s2k and kept my base 987.1. 987 is 90% as fun, but 200% better in everything else.
@@Dan-pq5yz yes I think it’s only a matter of time until I get either a 2.9 gen 2 or gen 2 Cayman S!
Having both, I'd say the ap1 is more raw/darty and takes more focus to drive well. 987.1 base is more forgiving even with a track alignment, has better mid corner balance and very good steering feel. If I did it again I should have gotten the 987.1 first to learn to drive.
Americans talk about HP and mods, Europeans talk about grip and seat time. No point modding a car until you can drive a good friction circle.
paddle shifters should be adjustable. people have different sized hands.
Should have got the older Cayman s with the 320 horsepower flat 6 in it. Not really a fair comparison this way.
2007 5MT 987.1 Sports Chrono pack all the way
If you Like raw, get a 356, ups that‘s also a 4 cylinder 🧐.
Cant forget the obligatory rant about the four cylinder
I prefer the 981. Get the interior and the flat 6 sound.
market values agrees with this.
Cool thing about the Cayman/Boxster models most people do not know is that they're basically a 911 underneath.. With better balanced engine layout for a lot less money.. This video explains: ua-cam.com/video/z8RDTsr9POA/v-deo.html&
RIP Porsche Boxter and Cayman, they are not made anymore ;( Last chance to order a real one without electric engine only was months ago....
987 Caymans are better than 996 and 997 in the canyons in my opinion. People really like to make excuses for 911's
I used to own the turbo 4 Cayman GTS. I ended up selling it as I didnt like the shifter and steering feel much and it was too planted to make it fun on back roads, almost like Audi stability. I switched to a GR86, which felt more tossable. Now Im in an ND3 MX5 and the inputs are better than either of those.
10:48 porsche 718 cayman T: "engine aside, this car feels so good to drive hard": nothing more to add...
My pick would be a 981 S manual if I had the money. I’d go non-s 987 if I were on a lower budget. Doesn’t have the bore scoring issues of that gen from what I understand. I’d also save some money for repairs/upgrades. I’d skip any 4-cyl 718. I tried a base 718 on Turo and the 4-cyl was such a letdown. Felt like a GTI engine, which is fine, but nothing special, particularly at that price.
Neither are Miata’s tho
@@gibsonisthename relentless
@@Zygrene I aim to only speak the truth !
Assuming the 987 doesn't go bang, that would be my choice all day long. The 718 might be a "better" car, but sports cars are surely about driving fun, and the 987 sounds like it is superior in this respect, which is the most important thing for cars like this. The 987 also looks much prettier to my eyes, and the interior design, if not quality of materials, looks nicer too. For a sports car the 718 interior looks too chintzy with lots of ugly chrome (or or is it shiny silver plastic?!). Such a shame that as some tech like chassis stiffness and suspension and brakes improved, others like steering, feedback, and the engine got worse. Even a GT4RS which should be the greatest Cayman ever has EPAS and an auto box and no manual clutch....
Like the pdk gear paddles exactly where they are on my Boxster 981 I don't agree with you regarding the placement of the pdk paddles I think they're perfectly placed
Did not watch the video, but I am guessing you like the old school 987 for the sound and steering.... pretty much what every reviewer says when a 718 4cyl is part of the review....genrally the summary is the 718 is faster, nicer, handles better but since it is a 4cyl and only sounds ok to good for a 4cyl you need to parrot Chris Harris and cry sacrilege. If I am wrong about your review I apologize.
987.1 Rear unfortunately just looks ugly. Ugly looking cars are no options for me. To me the 718 Cayman on the other hand with the right color and the right rims is one of the best looking Porsches of all time. This All-Black looks boring. AllBlack always look boring
Both are very nice - I'd go for the older 987.
As good as they are, however, neither can hold a candle to the 914.
Porsche 914 - There is no substitute.
914 well known for spinning; also rightfully disparaged by Jack Baruth of Road n Track.
@@dannoyes4493 I haven't driven one yet
@@computerhelpcc I guess that's why the 914 won the GTS class and finished sixth overall, besting all the 911 entries, in its first outing at the 1970 24 Hours of Le Mans. Too, I suspect you've never driven one. And, insofar as Mr. Baruth is concerned, I'd be interested in knowing the factual basis of his verdict. Perhaps not enough robots doing the work for him?
@@Zygrene Here's a nice comparison to a 911 - ua-cam.com/video/bCQHYIa5ymo/v-deo.html
I wanna see an asian be like stradman and buy a 3.5mill hyper car but in a few years it might cost 5mill ......