Why You Shouldn't Burn Plastics Pt 2
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- In this video you learn why it is a terrible idea to burn plastics. You see what happens, when I burn a lot of the most common plastics and why it is dangerous. Also you learn how heat resistant different plastics are and what you can do to avoid plastic fires.
I think the biggest problems when burning PVC isn't the HCL but Phosgene and Dioxins.
Great video btw.
That could certainly be true. Thank you for the feedback!
Oh that salami gag got me laughing out loud, hahahaha.
That is great, but the idea was from a friend. :D
You deserve more subscribers. You're amazing.
Wow, thank you!
I've noticed in a couple of videos you can hear some kind of automatic mechanical exposure control, I would try to see if you can disable the automatic adjustment, it's quite distracting. Other than that the videos are really good!
Thank you for the feedback! I will try to fix that in upcoming videos!
Very nice work on this vid! Super interesting and enjoyable.
Thank you very much!
The burning/pyrolysis of PVC creates dioxins the hcl would be the least of my worries
That is certainly a good point
Again a beautiful video. Keep going like this!
Thank you! I will do!
If this channel ever blows up, I wanna be here from the beginning.
Thank you for joining me on this adventure! :-)
@@EliasExperiments I just watched one of your videos about the flaming candle wax the other day, very interesting
Thank you!
@@EliasExperiments I like those kinds of chemistry videos I like explosions and stuff like that so that combined with chemistry is very interesting
I think exactly the same way! :D
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Lol you are so funny. XD I have never heard the word gopnik bevore. The things I learn from you... :D
You will get A++ if this is your high school science assignment.
Haha, thank you! But this was only a little side project.
I try and not burnin on too much plastic or foam but sometimes if it done and rain recently, you gotta throw some plastic or a styrophome cup full of napkins and it be goin right up.
I am sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say.
Very Informative!! Also, what is the rod at 5:31 made of?
Thank you! It was just a glowing wooden splint glued to an iron or stainless steel rod.
We should dump the whole plastic materials already.
If it would be that easy...
We used to get all types of drinks in glass bottles so its absolutely possible, but then (((they))) wouldnt make as much money so we cant have that.
We did!.... In the ocean 😂😭
In China you can commonly see people burning trash piles without regard to what’s in the trash.
Luckily trash most often consists out of PE, PP, PET and PS which is relatively harmless when you burn it. Only when you are burning construction materials like PVC or PU it gets really bad.
But if oxygen from the air is not sufficient to oxidize all the polymer, the combustion may form higly carcinogenic PAH's
What about the famous 'Starlight' intumescent material? (See the 'Starlight' videos by 'NightHawkInLight'). Its composition can be approximated by use of common edible and non-toxic kitchen materials, including flour or cornflour and sodium bicarbonate. When heated to flame temperature, the surface of the 'Starlight' forms a carbonaceous char, which acts as a thermally insulative barrier, so that flammable gaseous pyrolysis/thermal decomposition products are no longer off-gassed from the combustible material underneath the protective Starlight layer. The carbon char formed from 'Starlight' is similar to the carbon left behind from the combustion of sucrose (table sugar): if you heat up table sugar (sucrose), it first melts, then undergoes caramelisation oxidation reactions, then, finally, the molten mass of caramelisation products off-gasses flammable gas-phase thermal decomposition/pyrolysis products, which eventually combust in the atmospheric oxygen once the autoignition temperature is reached. Once the flame dies down, you are left with relatively pure graphite-like carbon, which only very feebly smoulders, and with difficulty, when heated to high temperatures in atmospheric oxygen. Smouldering, such red-hot charcoal or coals, is a sold-phase combustion reaction, whereas flame-producing combustion is gas-phase. The carbon end-product from the combustion of sucrose is very similar to the carbonaceous char formed when 'Starlight' is exposed to flame temperatures.
Well in theory that starlight intumescent material would work as a flame retarder, in practive however you can't put sodium bicarbonate into most plastic materials, because it decomposes before they melt. For resins on the other hand it might work, but there are other materials that are just more effective in plastics.
@@EliasExperiments Magnesium carbonate? (decomposes at approx. 350 C to evolve carbon dioxide). Magnesium oxide? Magnesium phosphate? Sodium silicate or magnesium silicate? Some work by 'quenching' free radicals produced in the flame. Others act as smoke inhibitors or as char promoters. The decomposition of some is endothermic, which takes heat energy away from the flame.
@@garycard1456 The flame retarders you suggested work to some extend, but most of what you named suffers from the same problem, that you need to use a very high percentage of that flame retarder in your plastic. That is not good for the mechanical properties. The best thing we have currently are brominated hydrocarbons, however they are neither friendly to the envioronment nor good for humans. So that is still quite an active field of research.
Das reinsliden sieht bisschen billo aus. Der Schnitt in den vorherigen Videos fand ich deutlich professioneller Elias
Danke für das Feedback Lorenz! Ich habe noch viel zu lernen, was das angeht. Bist Du der Lorenz mit dem ich in lauter Praktikas in Darmstadt war?
I think micro plastics are enough of a danger that it's better to burn plastic if we can't recycle it properly, though we should do both, the danger that plastics prove, being eaten, getting into the blood stream and even being small enough to breath, is far more dangerous than any gas
Well you are right it is better to burn them than to throw them into the ocean, but only if done properly with washing the resulting gases bevore releasing them into the environment. Microplastics can't get into the bloodstream under normal conditions and breathing them is also usually better then breathing toxic gases. However it is best to avoid that alltogether. :D
Personally I support domestic burning of plastic waste (when done responsibly), simply due to how little plastic actually ever gets properly recycled. Also my belief is that the broader ecosystem can deal with gaseous chemicals more easily than even miro scale pieces. But I'm no expert either, this just based off of what knowledge I do have on the matter. Cheers 🍻
@@EliasExperiments Your video says its as safe as candles to burn polypropylene
The dry comedy is hilarious setting aside the useful content
Thank you so much!
When do you plan to upload the next video? I recently found your channel and it has a lot of great content
I am currently working on my next video. I have however made a couple mistakes, that have caused a lot of delay. Either way I got awesome stuff coming up, but I would only expect it in a month or so.
Plastic is used in solid rocket fuel, intimately mixed with aluminum powder and a perchlorate oxidizer.
Yes I know and depending on the kind of plastic, the fumes can be quite bad for you.
@@EliasExperiments According to google and NASA, high density polyethylene (HDPE). And I've seen DIY tubers use acryllic (which google says is PMMA, or polymethyl methacrylate). Yeah something like PVC would be terrible, with the released chlorides making dioxins all the way up, but that can't be as bad as the hypergolic UDMH-nitric acid hydrazine rockets (that fuel gains the nickname "devil's venom" for good reasons).
I have also seen pyrotechnic recipies containing PVC for blue pyrotechnics. But then again there have been pyrotechnic compositions containing arsenic, mercury, thallium, lead and the like.
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PS: Very informative video! :)
Thank you, glad you enjoyed! :D
Keep them coming!
I will!
@@EliasExperiments you should! I really enjoy them :)
Thank you for the kind words my German friend. :-) I got some really awesome stuff coming up.
How do you protect yourself during these experiments
Safety goggles, proper gloves and far distance goes a long way.
In the process of updating my workshop, I replaced an old set of small polypropylene bins with a new set and added some the old ones into a regular wood bonfire.
It was amazing to see the sudden exponential increase in height of the flames (to about 12.5 meters) and their drastic change in color from a normal yellow to an incredibly bright orange red color. A garden hose was close by, but it wasn't needed as it soon returned to a regular bonfire after the plastic was consumed. I'm assuming the height changes were the result of the petroleum used in their manufacturing, but can you explain the color change?
Well I guess that must be because there was some calcium carbonate added to the polypropylene in order to lower the production costs. Cacium carbonate makes flames go orange.
And yes polypropylene burns a lot hotter than wood, because it is a hydrocarbon and not a carbohydrate, meaning there is much more energy released per mass unit.
@@EliasExperiments smart guy
I was at a family get-together and a child threw a plastic candy wrapper and plastic cup into a fire. I removed them from the fire, but I'm afraid that I might have inhaled some of the fumes. Should I be concerned?
You can relax and you will continue to be healthy. The plastic was most likely PE, so the fumes are no more dangerous then fumes from a candle. Also worrying about something like that is usually a lot worse then the actual health consequences. ;-)
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I have noticed that in the slums of the world there is a ton of plastics and sometimes they cook with them and get poisoned by them. Build us a stove that can burn plastics safely. Thanks!
The right of stove will not help you, if you are burning the wrong kind of plastic sadly. Unless it is a very expensive stove with a proper gas absorber at the end, that can absorb all kinds of toxic gases. But nobody will be able to afford it then and it would be much cheaper to just buy proper fuel.
@@EliasExperiments Would bubbling the gas through a tank filled with water, charcoal, and baking soda get most of it?
hey man dont stop making videos you havent posted in a while but you have the potential to be a big name on youtube man i love your videos and how you debunked marks devils toothpaste keep up the good work and make some more videos!
Thank you for the feedback! Hearing stuff like that helps a lot. I will try my best. :-)
Can we melt a plastic like polyethylene without burning?
Yes! That is how they are formed into all the different shapes and sizes.
i think i just ate some melted plastic fork im having major anxiety right now should i be worried?
That is highly unlikely that you ate molten plastic without being sure of it, cause it melts above 100 °C and would certainly burn your mouth. And even if you ate it your stomach can't digest it and it will come out exactly as it came in. So you can be perfectly relaced.
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Great stuff!
They should have soaked the film reels in liquid oxygen in Inglourious Basterds
That could have ended quite dramtically.
btw where have you been i love your accent its like asmr
Lol thank you! :D
Plastic are going in the dirt... what happen in the future of the ground affect by plastic.
Hard to tell. It certainly looks very ugly
PVC is really bad, HCL is one thing but depending from the temperature you could end with dioxins too...
Yeah sure you can end up with all kinds of crap, that is why you should avoid doing it. ;-)
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Thanks!
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Another question for you, what is the energy density of each of these plastics, and how do they compare to amorphous carbon i.e. charcoal. assume the charcoal contains no ash and is solid carbon with no gaps or spaces.
The energy density of the most common plastics is quite similar to the energy density of crude oil. Of course it is a little bit less then for coal, but that really doesn't matter for all intents and purposes.
@@EliasExperiments thanks for the answer!
Is there a specific amount of burnt pvc that is toxic? My ceiling fan had a burning smell although without any visible gas and I’m worried because I think the wires were insulated with pvc , not %100 sure though.
That depends on how well the area is ventilated and how big the room is. But from what you are describing my guess is that you are perfectly fine. (From a perspective of health, I can't say anything about the fire safety of that construction.)
Should be burning all plastics and special plants, if done correctly less than .001% of all emissions would be released into the environment. Recycling plastics is caused more harm than good and it’s creating an ever growing problem. Look at the Nouys plastic burning plants
It is indeed quite the complicated problem and lots of really intelligent people are trying to figure out better solutions of how we can move foreward with all that. This video has nothing to do with recycling of plastics btw. The title should more correctly be formulated: Why private idividuals shouldn't burn plastics at home.
Why is the salami crunchy
The best salami ever. XD
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Danke Dir! ;-)
i burned alot of plastic when i was a kid i though it were cool and a explorer when i found something to burn... what maybe the sympthoms of poisioning when you inhaled some of the plastic steam ? i probably did inhale some of it i smelled like plastic all of the time.
i was not good in school thats what i can say xD
The symptoms should mostly be problems with your lungs and problems breathing. I was also horrible in school, that was however mostly a lack of motivation and believe in my abilities.
So as long as you can breathe alright you should be golden.
I finally know why :D
Good to know if you want a long life. :D
What makes smoke burn black or white? Like burning car tires make black smoke and burn wood makes white smoke
It depends on what is produced during combustion. If you are burning tires the combustion is incomplete and it produces elemental carbon that's black. If you are burning wood you are producing all kinds of salts also known as ashes, that are white.
How did you set these all on fire and still be safe?
I just set small amount on fire, did it outside and avoided to breathe any smoke.
@@EliasExperiments I understand you didn’t breath in the smoke, but I’m sure it left a residual smell in the area. The reason I ask is because years back during a fire I had going a small piece about the size you burned fell into the fire, I immediately smelled it and went to get it out of the fire with some tongs, I tried to hold my breath while I could dispose of the piece of shit. Nonetheless the smell was in the air. I immediately left the area, I hope I’m ok. I don’t want my life cut short because of 1 stupid mishap.
@@EliasExperiments Also I should mention way back when this happened, I suffered no effects like coughing, eye irritation, breathing problems etc. Maybe because I held my breath, but for the few moments it smelled, it smelled terrible.
Smelling something unpleasent once is extremely unlikely to have a negative effect on your health. The biggest impact on your health is most likely psychological if you keep telling yourself, that something "unhealthy" happened to you. Besides that your sense of smell is really, really sensitive. So often if you smell something it is still a long time before you reach dangerous concentrations. And the last thing is that with stuff like that, it is really only bad for you if it happens very often over a long perioud of time and not if it happens only once. Your body has a lot of healing capabilities.
@@EliasExperiments Yes, I have read that as well. Cumulative exposure is the bad thing with this stuff, unless it outright kills you, it’s hard to get sick from 1 acute mild exposure. Thanks for the reassurance 👍😅
Someone who is working at my olace burnt some plastic and odour was so bad? Is it too dangerous to inhale it just for once in a life time? It does’t cause any harmfull effects right?
Once in a lifetime is usually totally fine if you survive it obviously. If you are feeling well now, you are probably 99,999 % fine.
Hey Elias, couldn't you burn plastics at very high temperature in some sort of incinerator furnace which would leave nothing behind other than water and CO2? for the nitrogen containing molecules, I would imagine they would form nitrogen oxides at high temperatures, which can be removed by a catalytic converter, particularly by the Rhodium. other metals like palladium and platinum could remove possible carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons in the exhaust, and a flow of fresh air right before the converter can combust the remaining soot (carbon).
also, what about rubbers? what is wrong with burning tires?
Yes you can certainly burn plastics industrially to produce energy. This is done on a mass scale in Germany. If you filter the gases produced by the combustion, that nothing too toxic escapes this is perfectly fine. However if you burn something like tires privatly on a campfire this just causes massive polution and if a couple people do it eventually everybody will sufer from it and has suffered from stuff like that in the past.
@@EliasExperiments is there any legal way to make a non-polluting tire incinerator? paying for people to take them is expensive, and where I live, (out in the country) people will trespass (at night) and dump tires on our property. our family and friends suffer the same problems, and we have huge piles of tires we can't ever hope to get rid of.
What is legal depends on where you live. Non polluting would need a way to catch the nasty sulfur fumes from the rubber. So it is a challenge, but I am sure it is possible. But it is probably cheaper still to just dispose of them through regular household waste. Or burrying them would also be a fairly clean way to get rid of them.
@@EliasExperiments I would imagine that all the tires store a huge amount of energy, if only we could avoid the sulfur. either that or recycle the rubber and make other things.
Yes they indeed store a lot of energy. Recycling rubber is actually really difficult sadly.
Would acid be ok for disposing of plastic? I just can't believe there is no way to get rid of plastic :(...
It is okay to burn plastics as long as you have it in an industrial burner, where all the toxic gases are filtered out, before the rest is released in the environment. You just shouldn't burn them at home.
hello! recently i burnt a plastic qtip in my room with a lighter. my throat has been tickly after that and the information google has gave me has been giving me quite a scare. what will happen??
As far as I know there probably isn't a correlation between having a tickly throat and burning a qtip. If your throat doesn't get better I would recommend seeing a medical professional.
I left a plastic bowl the stove . But I turned the stove where the bowl was instead of the stove heater next to it where I thought I left water to boil. In result, the bowl almost completely melted, but didn’t burn. I assume I inhaled something, should I be concerned?
Don't worry the boiling point of plastic is quite high, so if it only melted that wasn't reached yet. And even if something evaporated it is no more dangerous then breathing the smoke from a candle. Nothing to worry about. ;-)
@@EliasExperiments thank goodness. Thank you !
Celluloid is safe to burn in case anyone was wondering
Right!
Hast du mal gehört, dass ein brennender Tropfen sich dreht und dabei ein witzigen ton macht?
Du kannst dafür das Material, woraus diese etwas biegbaren Verteilerboxen gemacht sind.
Frag nicht, wie ich das rausgefunden hab(Wissenschaftliche Experimente)
Habe ich tatsächlich noch nicht gehört. Das kling ja spannend. Hast Du dazu weitere Infos?
Love your video I used to burn plastic every day (jk) so now I know shouldn’t
Nice, thank you! :D
what happens if we smell a little bit of the burning fumes?
I was working with a heat gun and shaping some thin plastic sheets, not sure what kind of plastic they were but probably PVC, am I going to die because I inhaled a little bit of the fumes? should I go to the doctor? or I'm still typing means I'm fine?
I didn't inhale much, because the plastic didn't completely melt, it just bended as the head was applied .. I don't know if i feel well or just scared of what I did .. I wasn't even wearing a mask because I was being dumb and lazy .. help please with more information
A little bit is fine in most cases. PVC releases mainly HCl, so yeah the fact that you are typing the comment most likely means that you are good. If a little bit of plastic fumes would mean big trouble they would have never become so popular. But if you are feeling unwell in any way shape or form I would recommend you to see a medical professional.
@@EliasExperiments thank you dear
Plastic bags just melt in disappear but thicker ones burn like gas
Well as you can see in the video it was actually burning.
Bro I inhaled some today? Will it cause problem
With stuff like that it usually doesn't matter, if it only happens once.
Where is part one please?
It is about the properties of plastics, you can find it on my channel.
I burn every day in pyrolysis tank
Well if you don't breathe in the fumes or release them in the enviroment and depending on the type of plastic, it can be fine.
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I work at i injection molding plastic factory and i been there for 3 days for 8 hours a day no mask and it just smells like burning plastic inside bad i had a bad reaction happen to me yesterday i had mucous just pouring out my nose should i be worried
Well I am no doctor, but the symptoms you are describing sound to me like an allergie. If you intend on working there a lot longer you should definetly be worried and talk to the person who is responsible for such bad safety standards. Also asking a medical professional is probably a good idea.
People always burning plastics in the Philippines
That doesn't mean it is good, or without the problems I demonstrated in this video.
@EliasExperiments it's terrible my children have coughs don't know if it is lung damage
is it safe to melt face mask which is made out of polypropylene?
Well that depends on what you mean by safe. At least it doesn't produce toxic gases in significant amounts, but you can always burn yourself. :D
@@EliasExperiments thanks, this helped a lot. keep up your good work! :D
Thank you, I will try my best!
i totally didnt burn plastic rn
It is not too bad in small amounts or if it is done properly.
Your English is every good
Thank you!
Du bist sowavon Deutsch :D
Enlich mal wer der dies Devil's Toothpaste rezept sagt!!
btw no hate
Haha ich wusste gar nicht, dass deutsch sein eine Beleidigung ist. :D
Freut mich, dass es Dir gefällt!
Haidridschin ? -das heißt hydrogene ! auch wenns mit Englisch hapert - dennoch ein gelungenes video !
Haha, danke Dir! I gebe mir in Zukunft mehr Mühe ;-)
alles gut mann ! ich schaue nach solchen videos ,da hier in kenia einfach JEDER plastik verbrennt-ua um damit zu kochen-und niemand weiß wie gefährlich das für die gesundheit ist!ich versuche dein video hier etwas zu bekanntheit zu verhelfen...mal sehen...peace raus nach deutschland !@@EliasExperiments
Das freut mich, danke Dir für Deine Bemühungen!
Das ist müche informativ!
Danke! :D
i need advice. i burned a yoghurt cup just to see and it started to burn. as soon as i smelt that nasty smell i put off the small fire and opened the windows. i just searched what the pots are normally made out of and it said pp and polystyrene. will i be ok. im so anxious
You are most certainly fine. This is no more dangerous then lighting a candle and blowing it out.
@@EliasExperiments u r a life saver, im dropping a sub
Thank you! :-)
Do you pay for the environmental pollution you have done?
Well I did these experiments on such a low oder of magnitude compared to what is required for actual damage to the environment, that I am not concerned.