Setting Wire Speed On A Mig Welder To Match Voltage, Must See For Beginners Learning Welding
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2021
- I've been asked a number of times to try and do a quick video on setting up a welder for a beginner. This is how to set the wire speed (amperage) to match your desired voltage setting (heat).
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This is done with a gas for Short Circuit welding (your local supply store will help you with getting the correct gas). This is the "normal" welding technique for all position welding. Down hill welding is only performed (some exceptions apply) via short circuit welding.
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Awesome video. I think sound is often overlooked when setting up welders. I had an old timer tell me to aim for the sound of sizzling bacon, and I still think about that almost every time I am welding.
I describe it as a steady crisp noise.
A old timer told me it should sound like your ripping a bed sheet real slow. I pay attention to sound as well
Funny all I’ve ever heard are young timers saying an old timer told them that. If frying bacon and mig welding ever sound the same then you’re doing one or the other very wrong
I’ve learned from some good welders. The “smooth” sound is the sizzling bacon. You just know when it’s right after a while.
Surprisingly, not a lot of videos going over dialing speed and heat. This helps
This is the first time I’ve heard instruction that directed attention to the sound of the process. And doing so really makes sense.
By the way, this was my introduction to your channel and I really appreciate your teaching style, lighting and filming methods but more than anything, I totally relate to You, as an instructor. No unnecessary polish in the editing, no goofy humor and no pretense. You are just a genuine dude, with skills to share who seems to really want your viewers to improve 😎🎩♠️
I double this!
Thank you for the positive feedback!!
Man, I'm a beginner but I find this to be one of the best videos ever here on UA-cam regarding this matter.
Thank you so very much. Greetings from Portugal.
I hope it helps!
Find another learning spot. I promise you, all of those welds were made to look pretty, not be as functional as possible. Very little, if any penetration on the root.
@@elimgarak1127 wrong bud.
Dude you fucking knocked this out of the park. Even your technique used for downhill and flat for hardwire was mint. Thanks friend for confirming everything!
Thank you. Hope it helps!
i always forget to listen to the weld then i am pleasantly surprised when it’s dialed in perfect. thanks for showing us an easy way to dial it in first instead of trial and error 🤙🏽😊
hope it helps!!!!
First thing I ever learned when I started welding was to make it sound like you’re frying bacon lol. Simple but it helps
Right on!
Great approach to explaining that. Thanks for sharing, cheers!
Glad it was helpful!
Nice! Thanks for sharing!
Great tips!!! Thanks for sharing!!!👍🏽
well done, cheers from Florida, Paul
Many thanks!
I love the "seeing is irrelevant right now" 😂😂 so true though, when I first learned I was told you want the sounds of bacon frying
😂🤣😂🤣
Thanks for the tips..... I'll give it a shot and see if I can squeeze a little more improvement in my welds
Hope it helps!
Awesome video dude. Thanks for sharing. I appreciate this!
Thanks! I hope it helps!
Great important tip video tips for those beginners n veterans that are just or have been welding with a MIG welder.
Good job man.. 🤝🤝💪✌️🗽🇺🇸🦅
Thank you!
Thanks!! Would love to see more of this kind of n00b help!
I ordered some lenses that should make me able to do a better job filming the details. Then I can start popping out some better videos. I still remember trying to figure this stuff out myself 25 years ago. It’s crazy how much it just becomes second nature.
Pretty good…they look amazing!
Thank you!
Very helpful, nice work 👍. One video also helped was the speed of the wire is the amount of heat. I have oxygen acetylene welding for 50 years. Thinking more wire to fill the holes I was burning 🔥 was making my wire welding worse. I know sound critical in any arc welding just was unable to get it. Thank you
No problem! I am going to make a few more of these that may help. I have lenses for my camera now that I’m eager to try out. Should be able to see and hear then. 😂
I will never be this good! I am trying tho...TY!!! Excellent job!
You will be. It will just click one day. Just remember, clean metal will be consistent, and you will actually learn faster without all the variables caused by rusty or dirty metal. Even when practicing.
Succinct! True demonstration of mastery
Thank you. Hope it’s helpful
Thanks! Great tip...I need all the help i can get
Happy to help!
Thanks man this helped a ton!
You bet!
great video - thank you
Hope it helps!
Great tip's very useful info.
Thanks! Hope it helps!!!
Really good video appreciation the touch up video
Thanks
Thank you very much for your informative video. Please consider in future also to use the metric system so your international viewers can understand too.
Lol. Yeah it’s a challenge. You guys with your logical units of measurement. 😂
Thank you it’s so much useful for beginners. I even recorded the sound for future reference.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice job on the video. Getting ready to MIG for the first time today what I think is 20 gu sheet metal. I made a bunch of practice pieces. Hope it goes well.
Best of luck! Don't get discouraged! 20g can be tricky with blow through.
Yeah 20ga. is very tricky to weld. If you have room enough to clamp a piece of heavy bar stock behind your seam, try it. It'll absorb the heat n help reduce blowing holes to often. Helps out to to patch blow outs. Keep everything cold before starting another weldment. Tight fitups will make a ton of difference on ( minute to no gaps ) thin gauge metal. You can do it 💪 💪
great tips, thanks
You bet!
Beautiful welds
Thank you!
New subscriber bro!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for the sub!
Nice welds!
Thanks!
You can't argue with results like that.
Nice demonstration 👍🤠⚡️
Thanks 👍
Thanks 👍
Well done
Thanks. I’m working on a follow up now and have a cameras that seems promising
Ty
That was very helpful I don't know what the the voltage was cuz obviously the wire speed would change with the voltage and I think that for a lot of us or at least I can speak for myself Dad how much voltage do you need and then figuring out what your wire speed is and I know that depends on the thickness of the metal of course any other situations that you know that you might have set voltage for certain positions you might be in or whatever but the speed and that was great like I said help very helpful but you know I guess most of the things that I weld is going to be around 1/8 to 3/16 of an inch steel on average
Glad it helped!
Nice Job
Thank you
Crazy good
Thank you
Great vid showing how to set the correct wire feed to match the voltage. Now, how do you determine the correct voltage?
If you don’t have a chart on the welder, I would get some scrap of different thickness and set the welder for each one just below the blow through level. Mark it down, or even mark the machine.
@DeathTollRacing Thank you. Luckily I have a chart. So, set voltage using chart and then set wire feed to sound. If chart is off and burning through, reduce voltage and readjust wire feed to sound.
Are there inductance settings on older machines that dont have touch screen displays. On Joddies channel, that low spped high inductance seemed amazing.
Short answer, no. Some older commercial welders have adjustable inductance using a knob, but I haven’t ever seen it on smaller machines. I’ve seen it a lot on old Linde machines.
I really enjoy your sound effects. Do you have tips for beginners on those?
It’s all in the lips!
Thank you for helping, how do I know the heat setting in thickness of metals? By the time I get the sound you mention it looks like a spattered mess.
Newer welders usually have a chart to get you close somewhere on them. If not you’ll have to just turn it up until it’s too high and go back down. Usually if it’s spattering really bad it’s to low.
Thanks for this. Can you provide the gas mix and wire type for this? It would be great!
75% argon, 25% co2. I believe that was .035 wire. It’s been a while since I made that. I am going to do a few more now that I have a better camera for it.
What you're saying is to start with the tap and then fine-tune with wire feed speed for the right sound. It sounds simple but I was struggling a lot last week. How would you fine-tune on thin sheet metal, 16 gauge (mufflers), which will burn through if you hold the stinger in one place for more than a second or two? I was using flux core so that may be the problem right there.
Flux core is a lot different. It’s also very frustrating to try and learn, especially on thin metal.
Here are a couple of tips.
First, don’t be afraid to “6 shoot it” just so you can get done. This will be just tack welding all the way around instead of a constant weld.
Second, setting your wire speed to the sound of more of a hiss. So have your speed down and start a weld and keep turning it up while welding until it starts to spatter, then back it down just until it’s a hiss again.
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@@DeathTollRacing Thanks for the tips! I'll go look at your exhaust video I'm sure it will have a bunch of great tips.
@@DeathTollRacing Thanks for the link!
nice welds
Thanks!
Even though i did not have a great need for a cadillac of a welder. Being a typical spoilet us citizen. I wanted a caddy of a welder and bought a
miller 255. Miller has don a great job of research and development in this welding machine. I do absolutely love it. But with all these new fangeled toys. The convienience of modern day. These advancements will ruin a good welder. When we got our first wire machine back in the early 90's even thoughe i loved it. I quickly didnt pick up the stick unless i had to. And all but have lost a useful skill. By neglecting the stick. Then got used to tuning in the wire feed. Now with this new miller. OMG. Set it for size of wire type of gas, thickness of metaland it just about does the job without me. So as nice as this 1 year old machine is now. I can tell there will be skills as in this video that will gain cobb webs in some back corner of the brain also. Excelent content.
Those are great welders!
Thanks buddy that helps a lot you never get taught that ,I believe because nobody knows 😊
You're very welcome! Hope it helps!
Nice
Thanks
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Say your connecting 2 different thicknesses of metal. Maybe .090 to .185 ? Is it correct to set speed & voltage for the .090 & weld in the middle ? Or, would I try to set the speed & voltage for the .185 and try to weld more on the side of the thicker pcs. ??
Thanks for your consideration,
Sincerely ...............
Sometimes depends on the situation, but usually I would be set up for the thicker material and try and keep the heat on it.
If it’s a butt weld however, that may be difficult to do and you may want to be set up for the thinner piece.
his welds look better than mine ...my welder i bought doesnt have a temperature option which i find extremely odd since id think temperature is a big things for decent weld but it auto adjust i guess to teh wire feed speed...so with flux cored wire on there now i have my wire speed at 180...it seems like it goes too fast..my welds arent nice and clean like these..but they still work but still they dont look like these.
Flux core is a bit different. In my opinion, It’s harder to learn with because it’s much more difficult to see the workings of the weld puddle. I will be doing some videos on it soon. But once you get the hang of it, transitioning to mig will be a breeze.
Hi there! Thanks for sharing this, I have one question, I have a cheap gasless MIG, and it comes with no chart what so ever. Is there any rule of thumb to set the voltage first based on the material thickness? Before I can then tune the wire speed to get that "sound". Thanks in advance Sir! Cheers from Indonesia!
The gasless wire will be different than what I did. On the small cheap welders, usually you will crank the voltage all the way up and then dial in your wire. You won’t really get the sound I got with it, but basically if you start with the wire slow, start turning it up until it starts sputtering, then back it off just until it quits.
One last thing, you won’t want to weld down with gasless. Weld going up, always keeping your arc in the puddle. I will do a video on this soon. I think it could be helpful.
@@DeathTollRacing thanks for your reply! Looking forward to watch your upcoming videos!
tip for right handed mig welders, keep hearing protection in your left ear to avoid sparks going in your ear when welding vertical or overhead
I prefer non foam ear plugs since sparks go right through them and bring with them molten foam. an ear pod or something similar works well.
@@DeathTollRacing ive never had a spark melt my ear plugs and I used to do production mig but I guess its possible, we arent allowed music because its a structural shop and it can be a bit hazardous
@@natenate2280 i wouldn’t recommend it. We used primarily 1/16 dual shield in all positions, so bb’s were real big. 😂
@@DeathTollRacing oh ok I was just running some vertical 3/32 dual shield today at work for awhile without any problems because I think the 1/16 hobart wire we got runs like shit and didnt have any problems but ill keep that in mind for tomorrow
.045 my bad not 3/32
Did you do two passes one on top of the other or was it just one pass?, Awesome job by the way
I did not here but you can. Usually though you would do one (root pass) and 2 on top (cover pass). Otherwise you’ll be weaving to cover. As you learn though, just do it however you can. Learning the rest of the techniques can come later.
Nice looking welds. I couldn't tell the angle of the tip after your downhill weld. Were you pushing or pulling the horizontal? Most of my service work is done on dirty metal so I have to really crank it up. Good video
All the welds were basically straight to slightly dragged. Yeah, field welds bend a lot of rules to get it done!
Dirty Welds you say? lol
@@DeathTollRacing Reason for dragging opposed to the normal pushing with mig??
@@misplacedcaper9662 there are situations for every position. Dragging penetrates better, but can make the weld profile “humped”. There’s a lot more to it, but that’s that main pro and con
Thank you for this, but I have a several questions. I presume the metal you are using is the same that you intend to weld? Or is that irrelevant? When you are performing this, do you just let the weld pool build and build in the joint, or do you need to move side to side? And lastly, is there any reason not to do it the other way around? Set wire speed, and adjust voltage.
I presume the metal you are using is the same that you intend to weld? ***roughly the same thickness would be preferable.
Or is that irrelevant? ***not irrelevant, but you can fudge it a bit.
When you are performing this, do you just let the weld pool build and build in the joint, or do you need to move side to side? ***when you are new, do whatever you are comfortable with, then, once you are more confident, you can start adjusting technique. I wouldn't stress too much over this part yet. Just get the welds to lay in there for now.
And lastly, is there any reason not to do it the other way around? ***Set wire speed, and adjust voltage. You can, but I think it's a bit easier this way. plus a lot of machines have "clicks" on voltage that sometimes are fairly large jumps between voltages.
Your flat welds are full of notch effect...
I’m not familiar with that term.
is it the same sound when welding aluminium?
No. Aluminum is totally different. It’s going to be more of a hiss type sound. I need to do a video on aluminum, but I’m not nearly as proficient at aluminum.
Are you weaving the welds any particular way or a straight line with back a slight stepping ?
That one was just stepping, no weave. But if you’re just beginning, do whatever you can repeat, then once that’s easy for you, adjust then. Stepping is my preferred method though.
Kinda sounds like a muted C-RAM blasting something out of the sky😊
LOL
I just subscribed and foesfly3047 below me has taken the words right out of my mouth. Excellent video and I look forward to the next one. I'm 69 but a bit of a beginner with welding, that bead was a work of art! Thank you
Thank you! I have one set up now on using the gasless (flux core) wire since I know when I bought my first welder it's what I was trying to learn on. I have a new camera setup so I'm hoping I can get much better video.
Fantastic! That’s what I’m working with right now. Should I assume that the “sound” adjustments are the same as the MiG? Thank you for the reply, it is much appreciated. I build high performance & repair of motorcycles. I do my own boring, valve grinding, etc. and I have a old SuperFlow 110 machine updated with Performance Trends computer software for my porting. The software is so confusing that I just use the old SuperFlow manual controls. Maybe one of these days. I need to build a wheelie bar for a 1976 Yamaha RD400 2 stroke. Motors done and fired up with an auxiliary gas bottle. I’m in the middle of sanding and painting the tank and fiberglass body kit. Fingers crossed on that. I hope to run it on the drag strip but I know I won’t be able to keep that front end down and I’m to old to crash and recover. Thank you so much and I look forward to your next video. Didn’t mean to ramble on. What kind of racing are you building?
@@richardbartlett4075 the sound with the flux core will be smoother. If it starts crackling, back it (wire speed) down just to where it quiets down.
I’m doing street car drag racing builds currently. I’ve done off road, and hobby class rally in the past. I’m focusing on street car / trucks that you can take to a track or off-road park on my UA-cam channel.
concerning 1:40 if you are using flux core wire you can take your shield off the gun to see better and get you in further.
Yes! However if you do flux core, you should not be welding downhill. You will weld that one uphill. I really need to make a few more videos now that I have a better camera and hit a couple new scenarios
@@DeathTollRacing Do you mean push the bead and not drag it?
@@drewchambers9132 there’s situations for both. I prefer a slight drag
@@DeathTollRacing Can we please keep it on the subject of welding..lol jk haha
@@drewchambers9132 😂
My 180 amp Mig welder kept flicking the power off and after watching a couple of UA-cam clips I found the wire speed was incorrect.
I remember having that problem when I was younger and getting extremely frustrated.
Un mistaken sound when dialed in correctly. And is fun to lay down beads.
it is. Learning that sound and how to correct for it is so helpful!
Best way to set up a welder is on a t joint and weld a few inches at a time not a centimeter at a time lol
Down hill is never going to be as strong unless it’s open root.
Looks nice!!. But let’s be honest there’s no ticket for process’s for a fillet weld.(I guess it depends what your building) If our welders got caught doing a down hand it’s…grind it out…. redo it horizontal.
That’s a procedure thing not a set in stone thing. It is possible to downhill with joint penetration. There’s about 2 ways to do it right and 1,000,000 wrong. Most do it wrong because it looks smooth.
Yea fair.
We had a guy get written up for doing a down hand.
Not saying you’re doing anything wrong but young guys just starting…. I’ve been a journey man for 11 years. Worked on some cool projects in the past. If I ever got caught downhanding. Especially “new” guys. It’s frowned upon in some circles.
But (DH) it could be “enough” in some situations.
@@jeffbarker3001 yes, it required pre authorization where I was too. We rarely even used “hard wire” anyway. We were 99% dual shield. Mostly 1/16. That you don’t run downhill ever.
Are you running pulse?
No pulse. Just steps. I don’t have a pulse machine unfortunately.
On your downhill are you pausing or kind of going back and forth? I can’t tell.
down, pause, down pause. Don't let the puddle get ahead of you. If you can't keep up with the puddle, turn the wire UP or the voltage down.
@@DeathTollRacing ah thanks. I do some that’s in all positions including upside down but I always bump my speed half a point but didn’t know you could turn the voltage down and get the same effect. I’m new at it and my job requires so any info helps.
You only weld down on 1/8" or thinner material,.. never weld down on anything structural,.. how long have you been welding?
Parrot much?
The steel section looks about 6 mm which at the settings used would be considered more Cosmeitc than structural welds as definatly the root fusion would be minimal.
.095
Material is .095 or 2.4mm
What settings? I didn’t see him show any. Are you just trying to sound smart?
It doesnt take a genius to listen to the arc and know he is using dip/short arc transfer and in the downhand positions 3 to 4 mm is the max you would apply to ensure good root and side wall fusion - do yourself a favour before making inane stupid comments learn something about welding.
@@davidrichards3605 so yeah, just trying to sound smart. Didn’t work. Sorry
How about upland I never use downland unless.3mm 1/8 or under
.095 wall
Hahaha. It’s not flux core bud.
@v.simonson5170 can you only wrld upland with flux core ? Or only heavy plate I was thinking just 1/4 =1/2 plate can it be done downwards ???
@@mickridley4409 without a pulse machine uphill mig on steel isn’t really a thing that’s done commonly. Not saying it can’t be done on heavier pieces, but commercially, they would use another method. Flux core on the other hand it is preferred to go up 99% of the time.
Never in 30 years of welding have I ever heard a bacon sound….
Sorry. Maybe you cook bacon wrong? LOL
why do dimes when you can just run a straight line? and also you should never do downhill, only if you have no other choice then you can do it
1-Root penetration
2-that’s a good rule for an amateur welder.
@@DeathTollRacing do you have any proof that doing dimes gives better root penetration cuz the way i see it, its only use is to make the weld look prettier but its not any stronger than running a straight line.
@@anatude1 I did destructively test and weld procedures for 15 years. There’s a lot more to it than just “stacking dimes”, but just riding a puddle is the worst method, especially down hill.
@@DeathTollRacing thwn why doesent every welder out there stack dimes if its so much better?
@@anatude1there’s a lot more to it than that. You’re way over simplifying it.
Bacon….are they frying an entire pig? Maybe pigs from Antarctica?….no sizzling ….the arc is off/ on numerous times per second if you hear sizzling or stubbing your settings need to be fine tuned the puddle tells the story.
This is short circuit, you are quoting spray arc. completely different worlds. You should withhold giving advice until you are more familiar.
@@DeathTollRacing oh sorry didn’t want to shake the boat. Short Circuit process is what I was referring specifically. The sound of bacon is a misnomer. In this process you cannot get a constant sound as in frying bacon. The arc is extinguished and reignited 60 times a second on AC 60 hertz. The sound of bacon frying is subjective at best’s as we all have different levels of hearing. Your bacon sizzling might be my steak frying in a pan. Just watch your puddle and stick out as that control your heat. You young guys buy a Harbor Freight welder and your instant popcorn welders. Keep your ears and mind open and your mouth shut…..BUT I did enjoy your video there was some great information there. Stay Well!
@@carolynbatta9525 I only care to argue because I really don't like people giving bad advice, or conflated advice that confuses people. I've hired over 1,000 welders in my career and a lot of the time would rather hire someone completely green than someone with minimal knowledge that they found in the comments or on reddit.
I'm not sure we are on the same page here. If you think I need to turn the wire speed (amperage) down, you couldn't be more wrong. If you are just arguing my descriptive words of the sound, then "okay" I guess.
Now for the 60 hertz. Unless you are running a transformer welder with a bad, or VERY crappy transformer, DC current output is 0 hertz. Yes, it's plugged into an ac outlet that is 60 hertz if you are in the US or Canada.
Nooooo..... :/ never downhill
Ummm, okay. I’m sure your the expert.
A noob knows you're not supposed to
@@jonathanarango4610 remember this moment once you learn. There are many types of welding. Non pulse mig is downhill, and it must be set and run properly hence the video showing how to set it up.
Try asking questions instead of pretending to know something you don’t.
Dont change the wire speed.. you're calibrating and finding your parameters.. so you set a wire speed your comfy with and if it's running cold you turn up the voltage..
When you down hill pass you dont penetrate the metal the same.. its actually illegal in big welding companys.. you get fired bro
I hate your opening ear blast.
Down hill is not an acceptable weld. Only uphill is acceptable welding anything structural stop teaching people crap!
Good luck to you
The video is about setting the welder. Nowhere in the video does he mention what he is welding, what the material and thickness is or even what are the requirements are. So your comment is just rude and unwarranted.
@@user-fc7li1tu5e He probably works somewhere where he can't be trusted to weld downhill and was instructed to never do it. That comment is always funny and would love to see someone weld uphill on .065 tubing without a pulse welder. 🤣
Shouldn't the vertical be welded from the bottom up
With mig, and without pulse, it’s very difficult to go up hill without overheating if the material. If using self shielding wire, you will go up. Flux core, dual shield wire is also up only, and some of those are actually a flat / horizontal only.
Worth a million dollars an hour welds🫵🏻👍🏻
Thanks!