Paul King and Avengers and Infinity war had the 2 best villains as the threat bringing everyone together and the Dallas are or would be if they didn't lose every single bloody time in every season just give them a tv show that makes them look threatening
Lol I literally compared it to the Avengers a couple of seconds ago XD let’s face it, the reality bomb is basically the infinity gauntlet but just pure destruction. People are even seen fading away from it like in Infinity Wars lol
If I were to do it 10. Asylum of the Daleks 9. The Magician's apprentice 8. Deep Breath 7. New Earth 6. The Pilot 5. Rose 4. The Eleventh Hour 3. The impossible astronaut 2.Partners in crime 1. Smith and Jones
1. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls 2. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang 3. Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords 4. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways 5. Stolen Earth/Journey's End 6. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday 7. Name of the Doctor 8. Dark Water/Death in Heaven 9. Wedding of River Song 10. The Room 11. The bottom of my shoe 12. The Abzorballoff saying "Tastes like chicken" for 10 hours 13. Pineapple pizza 14. Being whacked across the face with a book on Who continuity by Steven Moffat whilst he gleefully burns a copy of The War Games. 15. Hell Bent Great video as always.
alexinabox I don't know what Moffat did against it, but in short, it was the last story of the second Doctor and was the one that introduced the Time-Lords and Gallifrey. Before then there was only the Doctor and that one other one in a forgotten Hartnell story.
I must confess it was with a sense of relief that I saw the end of River Song's arc. The whole season feeling like tying her into the Tardis in as many, and as convoluted ways as possible. She killed the Doctor, She saved the Doctor, She married the Doctor, she was his companions' child! From Big Bang to Wedding of River Song, I was gritting my teeth and waiting for it to return to form. In my opinion only a couple of good episodes in that entire season.
I love how well-thought-out this ranking was. Even with the episodes you didn't like you had intelligent writing-based qualms, and when those were fixed you rewarded the stories by ranking them higher. The way you presented everything almost made me want to through away my list! Haha. Almost! I probably would've put Last of the Time Lords higher and Name of the Doctor lower, but I've never considered the list with only final episodes in mind. Journey's End is one of my all-time favorite episodes, but Doomsday's goodbye scene makes those two fight for first place. World Enough and Time is amazing, and I thought the commentary of being trapped in a skin that people are afraid was amazing!
What a hard thing to do; especially since I don't hate "Hell Bent" as much as others seem to. I think what also makes it difficult is judging the finales just as stand alones. For example, I kinda like the "Last of the Timelords" as it is, but I REALLY enjoy the series three 3-part finale that included "Utopia" and "The Sound of Drums". Together they're one of my all time favorite WHO end of series episodes.
YES ME TOO!!!! The Sound of Drums is my favorite episode and the 3 parter as a whole are my top 3 episodes of all time!! I know Last of the Timelords has major issues and I understand why people don't like John Simm's master, but I love him. And that scene where he releases the toclafane and yells "HERE. COME. THE DRUMS!!!" and then the music starts and goes HARD while we see the paradox machine pulsing and the toclafane descending...holy shit it gets me fist pumping EVERY TIME!!!!!
Interesting rankings, Hell Bent had to be last, if only it could be lower 😂 surprised about Doctor Falls being your favourite, I wouldn't put it in my top 5 and I think it's because I can't separate it from World Enough And Time. Plus, I hate the ending with the plot device puddle girl coming back for what felt to me like no reason other than Bill must live. I'd say Parting Of The Ways is my number 1
I didn't mind that. I thought it was interesting enough, and I enjoyed The Pilot enough such that I still felt it at the end. Plus, Bill didn't live. Bill is dead, she's just in this like, weird afterlife thing, but I'm pretty sure it's essentially more of a caricature of Bill.
It's not perfect and I recognise its flaws but I still love it. Everything I either love or like is in it; Capaldi, Bill, Nardole, Missy, John Simm's Master, the Mondasion Cybermen. Really wish it'd been his last story.
True, but part of what's awful about Cyber conversion is that it cant be undone. Heather saving Bill unfortunately undermines it. Still enjoy the episode though.
I would have loved if The Doctor Falls would have been Capaldi's regeneration story but I'm also glad that Jodie's first episode wasn't a Christmas special.
The thing about Hell Bent is that the first half of it was really, really, REALLY good. His homecoming. His disinterest in dealing with any Time Lord apart from Rassilon. The soldiers siding with him and ousting Rassilon. It was all MAGNIFICANT. Had the episode ended with Rassilon and the council leaving and maybe some cleaning up, THAT would have been a work of art. It was just literally everything involving Clara that fucked it up.
Journey’s end will always be my favorite, Donna’s “death” tears me up every single time, but for me at very end the Doctor is talking to Wilf (sp?) it is pouring rain and he asked the doctor “what about you? I mean what about all your friends” and he replies “The all have someone else but that’s fine... I am fine” it shows that this hero that saves so many worlds is ultimately alone it crushing and powerful
10. Hell Bent 9. Wedding of River Song 8. Army of Ghosts/ Doomsday 7. Dark Water/ Death in/ Heaven 6. The Name of the Doctor 5. World Enough in Time/ The Doctor Falls 4. The Pandorica Opens/ The Big Bang 3. Utopia/ The Sound of Drums/ The Last of the Time Lords 2. The Stolen Earth/ Journey’s End 1. Bad Wolf/ Parting of the Ways
My personal favourite finales: 1. The Stolen Earth/Journey's End 2. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls 3. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways 4. The Name of the Doctor 5. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday 6. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang 7. Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords 8. Dark Water/Death in Heaven 9. The Wedding of River Song 10. Hell Bent (AKA Get Bent!)
The Doctor Falls feels like a scene transition, but physical, It feels like you're holding on to something, and then it fades, it goes away because it's the doctor without hope. By the end he's completely willing, and almost hoping, to die, it's so heartbreaking but at the same time beautiful at the same time, my favourite season finale by far
Finally, someone who agrees with me on how brilliant Richard E Grant is as the Great Intelligence! For me, The Name of the Doctor, Death in Heaven and The Doctor Falls are the best, mainly as, for me, their plots are a bit more focused and more engaging. Rose and the Doctor's goodbye in Doomsday was a bit drawn out for me
Really interesting rankings!! I'd say: 1) The Doctor Falls 2) Last of the Timelords 3) Doomsday 4) Journey's End 5) Hell Bent (Don't hate me) 6) The Big Bang 7) Death in Heaven 8) The Parting of Ways 9) The Name of the Doctor 10) The Wedding of River Song
Just started watching, and when he says that he'll not be counting two parters as one story, I immediately thought: poor Hell Bent. Love your videos. I totally agree with your thoughts on that episode.
Hell bent isn’t a two-parter with heaven sent anyway. Hell bent just picked up where heaven sent left off, doesn’t make it a two-parter. It’s the same reason turn left isn’t a three-parter with the stolen earth and journeys end.
My List: 10. Hell Bent (Of Course) 9. The Wedding of River Song 8. Death in Heaven 7. The Big Bang 6. Doomsday 5. Journey's End 4. Last of the Time Lords (It only got this far because that three-parter is my favourite story of all time) 3. The Name of the Doctor 2. The Parting of the Ways 1. The Doctor Falls I see why people think The Doctor falls shouldve been Capaldi's final story but I love Twice Upon a Time because Capaldi and Bradley worked really well together, the story as a whole was great (in my opinion) and, well, The First Doctor is my Doctor
10) Hell Bent 9) The Wedding of River Song 8) The Name of the Doctor 7) Last of the Time Lords 6) The Big Bang 5) Doomsday 4) Death in Heaven 3) Journey's End 2) The Doctor Falls 1) The Parting of the Ways I only really like my top 4 and find the rest a little harder to rank. Every time I think of a ranking for NuWho finales, I'm reminded of how much they seem to fail and aren't very good.
10. Hell Bent 9. The Wedding of River Song 8. The Last of the Time Lords 7. Death in Heaven 6. The Big Bang 5. The Name of the Doctor 4. The Parting of the Ways 3. Doomsday 2. Journey's End 1. The Doctor Falls
1) Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways 2) World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls 3) The Stolen Earth/Journey's End 4) The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang 5) Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords 6) Heaven Sent/Hell Bent 7) Army of Ghosts/Doomsday 8) Dark Water/Death in Heaven 9) The Name of the Doctor 10) The Wedding of River Song
I agree wish that Doctor Falls was Capaldi finale. My finale 10. Doomsday (S2) 9. Wedding of River Song (S6) 8. Journey's End (S4) 7. Hell Bent (S9) 6. Name of the Doctor (S7) 5. Last of the Time Lord's (S3) 4. Parting of the Ways (S1) 3. Death in Heaven (S8) 2. The Big Bang (S5) 1. The Doctor Falls (S10) Doomsday surprised me by being last but don't like the big button reset similar to Journeys End and Rose exit was undermined by her return. Hell Bent is higher as I like the Doctor and Clara in the restaurant scenes and love Time Lords Maybe cover ranking Regeneration story's for a list maybe even with classic doctors?
10. Hell Bent 9. The Wedding of River Song 8. The Name of the Doctor 7. Last of the Time Lord 6. Death in Heaven 5. Journey's End 4. The Doctor Falls 3. Doomsday 2. The Big Bang 1. The Parting of the Ways
Quick question; would you ever consider doing a Top 10 Game Of Thrones episodes/ranking the seasons or would it be better to do it when the final season is released?
Having what happened to Donna happen to me is my greatest fear, becoming a different person, learning you matter,and then having all of that ripped away from you after you've decided you would rather die than lose all this just....... I cry every time I watch that episode. And it also makes the episodes in the Library even more powerful to me.
When you do lists like these might I suggest that you have a continuous graphic on screen showing the list so that we can contemplate the complete ranking of the stuff in question in comparison to one another? If this sounds dumb then it's okay without, just crossed my mind as a visual aid to understand your opinion and choices.
Great job rankin’ the finales of Doctor Who, man. I have some favorites. So lemme list them At Number one, basically its End of Time Part 2The Doctor saves the universe from the Time Lords, the Master sacrifices himself to help him, the interactions between Wilfred and Ten, Rassilon and the epic final moments of the Tenth Doctor as the regeneration and transition to Matt Smith begins. Vale Dacem, great score ever! Number two, Parting of the WaysA really absolutely fantastic battle with the Daleks, the transition from Eccleston to Tennant, basically everything. Number 3, World Enough and Time/The Doctor FallsI could say it’s a semi finale, but still. TWO MASTERS? The Doctor actually fighting the Cybermen, what a freaking epic way to begin closing out the Capaldi era. AMAZING! WOOOOOOOO! Number 4, Stolen Earth and Journey’s EndDaleks, Davros, Donna saving the day, a big crossover team up, that regeneration and the Metacrisis Doctor. Whoa, that blew my mind when I saw it all. Number 5, Pandorica and Big BangEpic S5 finale, great way to close out Matt Smith’s first season. The universe being saved and the Doctor going out with newlyweds. That was a change of pace. I LOVED IT! Number 6, Name of the DoctorThat was awesome. I did like how they executed the 11th Doctor’s regeneration. Not complaining but the John Hurt War Doc and the Stolen Earth regeneration do throw things out of sync with regenerations and incarnations of the Doctor. I’m glad the Doctor did not meet his end on Trenzalore Number 7, DoomsdayDaleks vs Cybermen? They should have done that in the Classic Era. But still, very nice. Victory at the cost of losing Rose Tyler to another dimension, it was good. Number 8, Twice Upon a TimeNow that really closed season ten of New Who out, according to some folks. We had an excellent team up between the First Doctor and the Twelfth Doctor, Rusty coming back? I never saw Rusty’s Return coming at all. The final moments before the regeneration, I loved that speech. After the regeneration? It was okay, little disappointed... Number 9, Hell BentI handled it well. Seeing Gallefrey was cool. I was okay with Clara coming back, I liked her. Number 10, Death in Heaven Loved the Master Number 11 and 12, Name of the Doctor and Last of the Time LordsI loved Name of the Doctor, the Great Intelligence was a threat. As for LotTL, the confrontation with the Master rocked. Those are my favorites for the most part.Thanks for the vid, Nathan See you next time for another Doctor Who!
Well ranked, I can't really find myself arguing with this list. I might have put Journey's End higher because personally it's one of my favorites, but at the same time I can't argue with your ranking, and the reasons for it. In fact, as of late I'd been really kind of annoyed that Donna's memory got wiped when other companions had a choice to say no, like Clara and Bill, and I was annoyed that they hadn't found another way for her to keep her memory even if she couldn't keep the time lord consciousness. But your reasoning for it makes a lot of sense, to keep it from being a deux ex machina of having her save everything but not being able to stay that way. Even if it does break our hearts. I miss Donna! One reason I love your videos, the well thought out explanations.
Here's mine: 1) The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang - A great culmination of the series and ties it up brilliantly. 2) Heaven Sent/Hell Bent - HS is one of the best episodes. I'm on the side of liking HB, so this is why it's up so high. 3) World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls - The best cybermen story in new who. 4) Bad Wolf/The Partings of the Ways - The daleks were at their best in series 1 and this story is no exception. 5) Army of Ghosts/Doomsday - Bit fan service-y with the daleks and cybermen meeting, but nevertheless entertaining. 6) The Name of the Doctor - Ties the series and the impossible girl story arc up ok. 7) Dark Water/Death in Heaven - Very dark for doctor who. Missy is great. The cybermen are a bit redundant. 8) The Stolen Earth/Journey's End - Seeing all the companions back is great and fun, but when you actually think about the story a whole load of problems occur. Why were there buttons (which daleks would not be able to use, but humans could) that could destroy their entire fleet in the vault? If the reality bomb destroys all realities, then surely there's a reality where davros succeed and therefore destroy all realities (including the doctor's). 9) Utopia/The Sound of Drums/The Last of the Time Lords - First part great. Second part good. Third part bad and lets it down. 10) The Wedding of River Song - Bit messy and not really a satisfying conclusion to the series.
Resets with no consequences always grind my gears. I don't mind time loops and reboots, as long as the events of the episode actually MATTER in some way. But when they don't, it annoys the crap out of me.
I totally agree that The Doctor Falls is the best finale and the "true" final line of the 12th doctor is so good, you expect a huge speech but it's just: "There aren't any stars. I had hoped there would be stars."
Good topic for a list, I think I would rank them 1) Last of the Timelords 2) The Parting of Ways 3) The Doctor Falls 4) Journey's End 5) Doomsday 6) Death in Heaven 7) The Big Bang 8) The Wedding of River Song 9) The Name of the Doctor 10) Hell Bent
1.) World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls 2.) The Pandorica opens/The Big Bang 3.) Bad Wolf/The Parting of the ways 4.) Utopia/the Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords 5.) The Stolen Earth/Journeys End 6.) The Name of the Doctor 7.) Doomsday 8.) Dark Water/Death in Heaven 9.) The Wedding of River Song 10.) Hell Bent
You know, it's funny that I'm here because I generally have the opposite feeling about finales. To me, it's never about the destination, it's about the journey, especially with Doctor Who. A big part of the reason for this is The Wedding of River Song and partially The Big Bang. The stakes were so high in both cases that they held no kind of suspense. For whatever reason, Moffatt was obsessed with the Doctor dying and not regenerating. Just stop. That's not going to happen. At that point he was only creating a story arc that would end with some kind of contrived and disappointing resolution. RTD had the same obsession with destroying Earth, but he was able to pull of some decent resolutions even if they had no real suspense. I'm hoping the Chibnall will be able to dial back the stakes and allow the audience to feel all parts of the story.
I think The Pilot acted as the finale to what I think of as its own season, the Capaldi specials. I think every Doctor gets their own mini-season (for the 11th Doctor it's the ____ of the Doctor specials, for the 10th Doctor it's the specials in between series 4 and 5, and for the 9th Doctor it's just Series 1), and I think the episodes from Face the Raven to The Pilot are the 12th Doctor's own series. They portray the Doctor's arc of dealing with the loss of two different companions and trying to move on from that. The Pilot is the finale because it ends his arc by letting another companion into his life and no longer travelling alone (although I guess Nardole counts as a main companion during the second half).
Doctor Who fans love a list! (and bashing Hell Bent. Because it deserves it!) Nobody asked for it, but here are my rankings: 1. Parting of the Ways 2. Doomsday 3. The Doctor Falls 4. Last of the Time Lords (I love it, but sadly its silly 'Doctor as Jesus' ending undermines it a bit. The rest of it so superb though - if it wasn't for that it might be my number one!) 5. Death in Heaven 6. Journey's End (never that fond of this one, it was always a bit *too* much for me. Donna's exit was heartbreaking though!) 7. Name of the Doctor 8. Wedding of River Song 9. The Big Bang 10. Hell Bent (not even canon in my mind...)
I see where you're coming from with season 10s ending being the better one overall but I've always loved end of time,sure Tennant wasn't my favourite doctor but that episode really made me care about his soon death and all the sadness he as the doctor has been through,him going to see all his companions one final time,to me,felt needed and heartwarming,the only thing I can say is didn't like about it was the masters fake death,it feels like a actual death for him but then he just kinda pops back in layer on,and credit to the episode for it being the first TV episode and show you make me cry,especially as he says I don't want to go,but still,season 10s ending was really good to.
10:53 For me, Journey’s end would have to be much lower on that list. The fact that none of the companions other than Donner did much; Jack faked his death to sneak around the Crucible, only to get caught and not really have a meaningful story, Martha holds the Earth to ransom, only for the Daleks to teleport her up to the Crucible because they didn’t want to deal with that plot, Mickey and Sara surrender only to not really help that much. All so that Donner could accidentally her way into being able to defeat the Daleks all on her own, and would it not have been much better to have the companions work together in a meaningful way which would’ve justified bringing them all back a lot better? Although it’s meant to look like that’s what they’re doing, it isn’t really if you think about it, it’s really just all of them getting captured and Donner saving them all. And the emotion of sending Donner off could’ve still been done without having her Deus ex-mackina.
Just for Fun the classic Finales:9- The Time Monster: Mostly terrible, it's three most memorable features, something called a Tomtit, Naked Sergeant Benton and a Massive Cleavage. 3- The War Machines: Boring and rather Dated. 19- Time Flight: Imagination out stretches the budget 16- The Armaggedon Factor: pretty meh, first time the Doctor is called There Sigma. 21- Twin Dilemma: bad but not as much as everyone claims, Colin Baker is easily the Best part. 12- Revenge of the Cybermen: Cheap and Crap. 20- The Kings Demon: Bland filler. 18- Logopolis: Bar the regeneration angle, just Boring. 11- Planet of the Spiders: Funny moments but rather Slow 15- Invasion of Time: Easily the worst looking sontarans, another nail in the coffin of the time Lord's dignity, terrible exit for leela. 5- Wheel in Space: Underrated, but with terrible Cybermen 24- Dragonfire: Cheesy but fun with one of the dumbest cliffhangers in the shows history. 17- Shada: A rare gem of Graham Williams era. Doug Adams at his best. 13- The seeds of doom: fairly decent remake of the thing from another world. 10- The Green Death: Some great effects and characters moments, a terrible green screen and the 2nd coolest Dr who villain voice. 1- Reign of Terror: Decent pure historical. 14- Talons of Wein Chiang: Classic, if a bit racist 23- The Ulimate Foe: Some great moments but part 2 is very messy because of Bob Holmes' death. 22- Revelation of the Daleks: Creepy little body horror story. 4- Evil of the Daleks: Great, if a little overrated. 8- The Daemons: Great performances all around, silly looking monsters. 2- The time Meddler: Really funny. 6- The War Games: Kinda long but Part 10 makes up for it. 7- Inferno: excellent dark story almost ruined by crap monsters. 26- Survival: Perfect send off for the Show. 25- The Greatest Show in the Galaxy: Underrated Classic, a metaphor for the show itself.
I don't think twin is that bad either but I do think season 21 should have ended with the caves of andrizani because that feels like a lot more of a season finalie
1. Journey's End 2. The Parting of the ways 3. Doomsday 4. The Big Bang 5. The Doctor Falls 6. Death in Heaven 7.The Name of the Doctor 8. Last of the time lords 9. The Wedding of River Song 10. Hell Bent (This would be much different if we were counting both parts because most of the time I prefer part 1)
Haven't watched the video yet, so it'll be interesting to see how much it differs from my list. 1) World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls 2) The Stolen Earth/Journey's End 3) Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways 4) Army of Ghosts/Doomsday 5) The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang 6) Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Timelords 7) The Name of the Doctor 8) Dark Water/Death in Heaven 9) Hell Bent 10) The Wedding of River Song
Interesting list. I wouldn't separate the two parts because I think they go hand in hand with each other. Other than that, there's only really one ranking that really surprised me. The Big Bang down at #8 is shocking tbh, but you provided some good reasons.
Your bottom 2 are exactly the same as mine. I would have bad wolf/parting of the ways at number 1, and Dark Water/Death in heaven above Name of the Doctor. I also have Stolen Earth/Journeys end below Army of ghosts/doomsday, and definitely below Utopia/Sound of drums and last of the time lords
Unsurprisingly my list is very different to yours, showing as usual we look for different things in a show we both love, my list with a brief reason for my choice. 10; Hell Bent; yeah can't disagree that this is a the bottom for all those reasons and more 9; Wedding of River Song; a clustered mess 8 The Name of the Doctor; you almost had me rethinking on this one but too many things in it that doesn't work for me 7 Last of the Time Lords; I really don't like it when they just undo a story like that 6 Death in Heaven; Missy is amazing, but the Cybermen aren't used interestingly and cyberbrig is disrespectful imo 5 Doomsday; Daleks vs Cybermen would be so much better if it wasn't just the Daleks owning them 4 The Doctor Falls; some incredible moments, but I really don't like the Doctor being in a gun fight in the end 3 Big Bang; I take all your points on board here but while it does have so many problems it's got a gung ho quality that keeps me invested 2 Journey's End; it's a big ol' plan the Daleks have and it really nearly works, a few niggles stop it from being a five star classic, but it's still a great closing for four years worth of characters. 1 Parting of the Ways; I'm sorry but I unashamedly love this one.
For me it has to be Doomsday, I find this to be the perfect ending to a very mixed season. The reason this episode takes #1 for me is that devastating ending with Rose and the Doctor trapped away from each other. This ending absolutely kills me every time I watch it, such a horrible tragedy that brings tears to my eyes. I just love it. I also love your pick of The Doctor Falls, which is definitely one of my favorites.
10) The Wedding of River Song 9) The Name of the Doctor 8) World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls 7) Dark Water/Death in Heaven 6) The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang 5) Army of Ghosts/Doomsday 4) Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways 3) Face the Raven/Heaven Sent/Hell Bent 2) Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords 1) Turn Left/The Stolen Earth/Journey's End I actually like every finale, it's just that every other one is so good that Wedding had to be bottom!
For whoever cares...here's mine 10. Hell Bent 9. Wedding of River Song 8. The Big Bang 7. Death in Heaven 6. The Name of the Doctor 5. Journey's End 4. The Parting of the Ways 3. The Last of the Time Lords 2. Doomsday 1. The Doctor Falls So quite Similar, I'm a sucker for Russel T Davies / Tennent Era, and not fond of Smith. But I loved The Doctor Falls and Last of the time lords gets the top 3 spot just because of the Death of the Master and the way it was handled, loved it!
I was really surprised to see The Doctor Falls at the top, I would’ve gone of 1 Journeys End 2 Doomsday 3 Big Bang 4 Parting of Ways 5 The Last of the Time Lords
To be fair, The Big Bang did have some ramifications. The TARDIS explosion was supposedly the reason that the crack appeared throughout the Doctor's timeline, which set up the finale for Matt Smith's Doctor.
My biggest nit-pick with Doomsday, although like you I did like it, was that Pete Tyler shouldn’t have been able to save Rose, while I don’t disagree with it thematically, it doesn’t make sense logically, he shouldn’t have been able to know that he’d have to save her, and when he does he’s able to stand and somehow not get affected by the void which is sucking her in and yet it doesn’t affect him even though it should’ve been sucking him in at the same rate it sucks her in.
The more I think about The Doctor Falls goes up in my minds the more I think about it. The ones I differ from you the most on are 'The Big Bang' and 'Journey's End'. I'd have the former higher and latter lower. BTW you have a certain sitcom on the brain that's rather polarising in this community. XD
Just clicked on the title. Misreading it on my part. I was wondering if you'd considered the finales, (as in the regenerations) specifically the final scenes or speeches, when they try and summarise their arc, 9, 10, 11, 12. I appreciate it's not the biggest of ideas, but I feel it could be interesting.
Well I'll be doing a ranking of regeneration episodes eventually. I may or may not rank the regenerations themselves as isolated moments if I feel that list would be decidedly different from the regeneration episodes list.
I'm glad to see the Doctor Falls getting this sort of appreciation because I felt that the themes of the episode were very underrated. I may be overrating it a bit when I say it's one of my favourite doctor who episodes EVER, but I loved it :)
If the world doesn’t go back, of those people aren’t saved in Last of the Time Lords then it no longer becomes our earth and we lose our connection with it. I think we need to feel that any of this is possible and there’s a sense of reality about it and if becomes rather earth where so many died then I think we’d lose something very important to what Doctor Who is.
Fair enough, but then I would argue if you already know that you have to reset everything back to zero at the end then don't do that kind of story in the first place.
I liked the moments in Hell Bent where the Doctor is willing to risk the entire universe's well-being for Clara's life because it shows how unhealthy the relationship between the Doctor and Clara is. He wants her alive more than she wants to live. Even though I didn't like the fact that Clara is still alive (for now), I liked the fact that she didn't travel with the Doctor anymore, because together, they bring about utter chaos, just like Missy intended.
For me: 10. Hell Bent 9. The name of the Doctor 8. The wedding of river song 7.The Big Bang 6. Death in Heaven 5. The Doctor Falls 4. Parting of the Ways 3. Doomsday 2. Last of the Time Lords 1. Journey's end
1. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang 2. Name of the Doctor 3. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday 4. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls 5. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways 6. Dark Water/Death in Heaven 7. Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords 8. Stolen Earth/Journey's End 9. Wedding of River Song 10. Hell Bent
10: Hell Bent 9: The Wedding of River Song 8: Death In Heaven 7: The Big Bang 6: Doomsday 5: The Name of the Doctor 4: Journey’s End 3: Last of the Time Lords 2: The Doctor Falls 1: The Parting of the Ways
Not a bad video, but I do disagree with yo in some aspect. I have to also include the specials as they ended some of the Doctor's journey's: 1) End of Time Part 2 (BEST) 2) Series 4 Finale 3) Series 3 Fanale 4) Series 1 Finale 5) Series 2 Finale 6) Series 7 Finale 7) Series 8 Finale 8) Series 10 Finale 9) Series 5 Finale 10) Series 6 Finale 11) Twice Upon a Christmas 12) Series 8 Finale.
10. The Wedding of River Song 09. Dark Water / Death in Heaven 08. Army of Ghosts / Doomsday 07. Bad Wolf / Parting of the Ways 06. Name of the Doctor 05. The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang 04. Utopia / The Sound of Drums / Last of the Time Lords 03. Turn Left / The Stolen Earth / Journey's End 02. Face the Raven / Heaven Sent / *cough cough* 01. World Enough and Time / The Doctor Falls
Yeah, I suppose Series 10 had the best close-out of them all. Unfortunately most series finales do suffer from the problem of "Setting up a big thing and then having that big thing be completely inconsequential", which is why I personally hate episodes like Big Bang (not theory), The Wedding of River Song, The Last of the Time Lords etc. I actually kinda wish that modern Who continued the trend of 70's Who, where they didn't really have "Series finales" and individual series would end on a random episode that is no more epic than the previous ones. Although I get that that would probably negatively affect the ratings and stuff, so I guess we'll have to make do. But yeah, good list, I can get behind most of this stuff (except for Hell Bent and Doomsday, cause I love Clara and dislike Rose)
Yeehhh Finally someone who dislikes Rose and likes Clara !!. Rose just gets on my nerves all the time. I don't mind her "Bad Wolf" thing but the fact that she got the doctor to love her romantically because it doesn't make much sense to me and it's not really the fact that he "loved" her or she "loved" him (We got that one before and after her so yeah it's fine) but the fact that they made it a plot. I'm actually glad that we didn't get this (at least not achieved) with the other companions.
Including a couple of the specials: 13: The Vanquishers 12: The Timeless Children 11: The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos 10: The Wedding of River Song 9: Death in Heaven 8: The Big Bang 7: The Last of the Timelords 6: Name of the Doctor 5: Hell Bent 4: The Doctor Falls 3: Journey’s End 2: Doomsday 1: Parting of the Ways
1) The Stolen Earth / Journeys End 2) Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday 3) The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang 4) World Enough And Time / The Doctor Falls 5) Bad Wolf / Parting Of The Ways 6) The Sound Of Drums / Last Of The Timelords 7) Dark Water / Death In Heaven 8) The Name Of The Doctor 9) The Wedding Of Riversong 10) Hell Bent 11) The Battle Ar Ranskoor Av Kolos
1) "World Enough And Time"/"The Doctor Falls" 2) "The Pandorica Opens"/"The Big Bang" 3) "Bad Wolf"/"The Parting Of The Ways" 4) "Face The Raven"/"Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent" 5) "The Wedding Of River Song 6) "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" 7) "Dark Water"/"Death In Heaven" 8) "Army Of Ghosts"/"Doomsday" 9) "Utopia"/"The Sound Of Drums"/"The Last Of The Time Lords" 10) "The Name Of The Doctor"
I love Journey's End, but I hate what they did to Donna. The show repeats the line "traveling in the TARDIS makes you better" multiple times, but Dnna's the first time we actually see that. She's the first companion to really get an arc tied to the series. Mickey grows offscreen, Martha's leaving mostly comes from the last episode alone, and Rose is still the kind of person who would make out with another dude in front of the man she "loves,." but Donna had a chance to grow...and they took it all away. It's sad, but it's also just narrative bad as far as I'm concerned. Despite this complaint, it would be towards the top of my list.
*1.* World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls *2.* Face The Raven/Heaven Sent/Hell Bent (Yes, I consider this a 3-Part Finale) *3.* The Stolen Earth/Journey's End *4.* Dark Water/Death In Heaven *5.* The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang *6.* Army of Ghosts/Doomsday *7.* Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways *8.* The Name of the Doctor *9.* Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords *10.* The Wedding of River Song
I don't think there has actually been a "bad" finale - they've all been pretty strong, which makes it hard to rank them. But you did a good job, and I pretty much agree with your list. Would probably put "Journey's End" a bit lower, and "The Name of the Doctor" higher (I think that episode is an underrated gem) and swap "The Doctor Falls" with "Doomsday", but that's it!
journey's End it's like The Avengers of Russell T Davies Doctor Who
Paul King and Avengers and Infinity war had the 2 best villains as the threat bringing everyone together and the Dallas are or would be if they didn't lose every single bloody time in every season just give them a tv show that makes them look threatening
Lol I literally compared it to the Avengers a couple of seconds ago XD let’s face it, the reality bomb is basically the infinity gauntlet but just pure destruction. People are even seen fading away from it like in Infinity Wars lol
Really, cause I like The Avengers.
No dc is better
Paul King journeys and is Infinity war and the last episode of ten is more like endgame.
4:44 _"Big Bang Theory doesn't feel like a story to me..."_
Okay. You're right, but what does that have to do with Doctor Who Finales?
No, at least 9 other people noticed because that's how many people have pointed it out as of this comment.
B A Z I N G A
JayDeeJayEssHaitch it’s called a conversational narrative
Now you have done this please can you do the season beginners
wrestling channel 2005 yes! That would be interesting
Good call .....
wrestling channel 2005 kinda obvious the eleventh hour would be top
If I were to do it
10. Asylum of the Daleks
9. The Magician's apprentice
8. Deep Breath
7. New Earth
6. The Pilot
5. Rose
4. The Eleventh Hour
3. The impossible astronaut
2.Partners in crime
1. Smith and Jones
numpteez mine are similar however I would swap deep breath and the pilot
1. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
2. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
3. Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
4. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways
5. Stolen Earth/Journey's End
6. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
7. Name of the Doctor
8. Dark Water/Death in Heaven
9. Wedding of River Song
10. The Room
11. The bottom of my shoe
12. The Abzorballoff saying "Tastes like chicken" for 10 hours
13. Pineapple pizza
14. Being whacked across the face with a book on Who continuity by Steven Moffat whilst he gleefully burns a copy of The War Games.
15. Hell Bent
Great video as always.
I love pineapple pizza.
I'm very late, can you just explain what happened in the war games? I haven't seen that one in a while and I've forgotten what moffat did against it.
ShE TaStEs LiKe cHiCkEn
alexinabox I don't know what Moffat did against it, but in short, it was the last story of the second Doctor and was the one that introduced the Time-Lords and Gallifrey. Before then there was only the Doctor and that one other one in a forgotten Hartnell story.
Okay, so, I started watching your videos last weekend. Now I'm subscribed to your patreon and rewatching all of new-Who.
Kindly never stop updating.
By the way, Donna is the best thing ever and you inspire me to fix my nail game.
I have no plans to stop anytime soon. 15K subscribers and growing. Just try to stop me.
I cannot disagree AT ALL with this carefully thought-through and excellently argued list. Kind of scary! :o
It's alright. The big bang theory doesn't feel like a doctor who story to a lot of people, mainly for the reason that it's not
MrMaster7112765 hahah I thought that too
MrMaster7112765 🤣🤣🤣 as soon as he said that I was like "wasnt that episode called The Big Bang? Without the word theory attached?"
I must confess it was with a sense of relief that I saw the end of River Song's arc. The whole season feeling like tying her into the Tardis in as many, and as convoluted ways as possible. She killed the Doctor, She saved the Doctor, She married the Doctor, she was his companions' child! From Big Bang to Wedding of River Song, I was gritting my teeth and waiting for it to return to form. In my opinion only a couple of good episodes in that entire season.
@robinhislop are you talking about series six because none of that shit happened in series five
I love how well-thought-out this ranking was. Even with the episodes you didn't like you had intelligent writing-based qualms, and when those were fixed you rewarded the stories by ranking them higher. The way you presented everything almost made me want to through away my list! Haha. Almost! I probably would've put Last of the Time Lords higher and Name of the Doctor lower, but I've never considered the list with only final episodes in mind. Journey's End is one of my all-time favorite episodes, but Doomsday's goodbye scene makes those two fight for first place. World Enough and Time is amazing, and I thought the commentary of being trapped in a skin that people are afraid was amazing!
The Doctor Who Guide Love your channel bro, dont know if you remember but you helped me get a sonic lol.
What a hard thing to do; especially since I don't hate "Hell Bent" as much as others seem to.
I think what also makes it difficult is judging the finales just as stand alones. For example, I kinda like the "Last of the Timelords" as it is, but I REALLY enjoy the series three 3-part finale that included "Utopia" and "The Sound of Drums". Together they're one of my all time favorite WHO end of series episodes.
I love it to, definitely one of my favourite Master stories
YES ME TOO!!!! The Sound of Drums is my favorite episode and the 3 parter as a whole are my top 3 episodes of all time!! I know Last of the Timelords has major issues and I understand why people don't like John Simm's master, but I love him. And that scene where he releases the toclafane and yells "HERE. COME. THE DRUMS!!!" and then the music starts and goes HARD while we see the paradox machine pulsing and the toclafane descending...holy shit it gets me fist pumping EVERY TIME!!!!!
Interesting rankings, Hell Bent had to be last, if only it could be lower 😂 surprised about Doctor Falls being your favourite, I wouldn't put it in my top 5 and I think it's because I can't separate it from World Enough And Time. Plus, I hate the ending with the plot device puddle girl coming back for what felt to me like no reason other than Bill must live. I'd say Parting Of The Ways is my number 1
I didn't mind that. I thought it was interesting enough, and I enjoyed The Pilot enough such that I still felt it at the end. Plus, Bill didn't live. Bill is dead, she's just in this like, weird afterlife thing, but I'm pretty sure it's essentially more of a caricature of Bill.
While I don’t love the Heather thing it didn’t derail the episode for me. Though I get it bugged some other folks way more.
It's not perfect and I recognise its flaws but I still love it. Everything I either love or like is in it; Capaldi, Bill, Nardole, Missy, John Simm's Master, the Mondasion Cybermen. Really wish it'd been his last story.
Bill was never 'dead'. The point of Cyber conversion is that the subject is, within some pretty bleak parameters, preserved.
True, but part of what's awful about Cyber conversion is that it cant be undone. Heather saving Bill unfortunately undermines it. Still enjoy the episode though.
I would have loved if The Doctor Falls would have been Capaldi's regeneration story but I'm also glad that Jodie's first episode wasn't a Christmas special.
It could've worked as a Christmas special I think. Tennant's first episode was a Christmas special.
The thing about Hell Bent is that the first half of it was really, really, REALLY good. His homecoming. His disinterest in dealing with any Time Lord apart from Rassilon. The soldiers siding with him and ousting Rassilon. It was all MAGNIFICANT. Had the episode ended with Rassilon and the council leaving and maybe some cleaning up, THAT would have been a work of art. It was just literally everything involving Clara that fucked it up.
Journey’s end will always be my favorite, Donna’s “death” tears me up every single time, but for me at very end the Doctor is talking to Wilf (sp?) it is pouring rain and he asked the doctor “what about you? I mean what about all your friends” and he replies “The all have someone else but that’s fine... I am fine” it shows that this hero that saves so many worlds is ultimately alone it crushing and powerful
10. Hell Bent
9. Wedding of River Song
8. Army of Ghosts/ Doomsday
7. Dark Water/ Death in/ Heaven
6. The Name of the Doctor
5. World Enough in Time/ The Doctor Falls
4. The Pandorica Opens/ The Big Bang
3. Utopia/ The Sound of Drums/ The Last of the Time Lords
2. The Stolen Earth/ Journey’s End
1. Bad Wolf/ Parting of the Ways
My personal favourite finales:
1. The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
2. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
3. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways
4. The Name of the Doctor
5. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
6. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
7. Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
8. Dark Water/Death in Heaven
9. The Wedding of River Song
10. Hell Bent (AKA Get Bent!)
Get Bent? I've never heard that one lol
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I love that these videos are always posted right before or after I get off work.
The Doctor Falls feels like a scene transition, but physical, It feels like you're holding on to something, and then it fades, it goes away because it's the doctor without hope. By the end he's completely willing, and almost hoping, to die, it's so heartbreaking but at the same time beautiful at the same time, my favourite season finale by far
Tobin agreed. Best cyberman story in a long long time
Finally, someone who agrees with me on how brilliant Richard E Grant is as the Great Intelligence!
For me, The Name of the Doctor, Death in Heaven and The Doctor Falls are the best, mainly as, for me, their plots are a bit more focused and more engaging. Rose and the Doctor's goodbye in Doomsday was a bit drawn out for me
I can’t believe you put the name of the doctor above journeys end
Really interesting rankings!! I'd say:
1) The Doctor Falls
2) Last of the Timelords
3) Doomsday
4) Journey's End
5) Hell Bent (Don't hate me)
6) The Big Bang
7) Death in Heaven
8) The Parting of Ways
9) The Name of the Doctor
10) The Wedding of River Song
That moment you make your own top 10, look at it and realise it is exactly the same as in the video.. I guess I fully agree with you :)
Wonderful list and VERY nicely thought out reasons.
I personally love how dark the parting of the ways is. The death count is very high in that episode.
Just started watching, and when he says that he'll not be counting two parters as one story, I immediately thought: poor Hell Bent.
Love your videos.
I totally agree with your thoughts on that episode.
Flavio Jose Alves Ha I thought the same about Hell Bent when he said that 😂😂🙌🏻
Don't feel sorry for Hell Bent. It doesn't deserve your pity.
I saw the title and I thought 'Please don't drag Heaven Sent through the dirt for the sequel.' Hell Bent deserves to be list-bottomed on its own
Hell bent isn’t a two-parter with heaven sent anyway. Hell bent just picked up where heaven sent left off, doesn’t make it a two-parter. It’s the same reason turn left isn’t a three-parter with the stolen earth and journeys end.
My List:
10. Hell Bent (Of Course)
9. The Wedding of River Song
8. Death in Heaven
7. The Big Bang
6. Doomsday
5. Journey's End
4. Last of the Time Lords (It only got this far because that three-parter is my favourite story of all time)
3. The Name of the Doctor
2. The Parting of the Ways
1. The Doctor Falls
I see why people think The Doctor falls shouldve been Capaldi's final story but I love Twice Upon a Time because Capaldi and Bradley worked really well together, the story as a whole was great (in my opinion) and, well, The First Doctor is my Doctor
Last four minutes or Hell Bent though I loved. It's like Capaldi is THEE Doctor. It was commanding. The theme
The Doctor Falls would have been a perfect ending, Twice Upon A Time was a great ending
10) Hell Bent
9) The Wedding of River Song
8) The Name of the Doctor
7) Last of the Time Lords
6) The Big Bang
5) Doomsday
4) Death in Heaven
3) Journey's End
2) The Doctor Falls
1) The Parting of the Ways
I only really like my top 4 and find the rest a little harder to rank. Every time I think of a ranking for NuWho finales, I'm reminded of how much they seem to fail and aren't very good.
I never realized how much I wanted this.
10. Hell Bent
9. The Wedding of River Song
8. The Last of the Time Lords
7. Death in Heaven
6. The Big Bang
5. The Name of the Doctor
4. The Parting of the Ways
3. Doomsday
2. Journey's End
1. The Doctor Falls
1) Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways
2) World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
3) The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
4) The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
5) Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
6) Heaven Sent/Hell Bent
7) Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
8) Dark Water/Death in Heaven
9) The Name of the Doctor
10) The Wedding of River Song
I agree wish that Doctor Falls was Capaldi finale.
My finale
10. Doomsday (S2)
9. Wedding of River Song (S6)
8. Journey's End (S4)
7. Hell Bent (S9)
6. Name of the Doctor (S7)
5. Last of the Time Lord's (S3)
4. Parting of the Ways (S1)
3. Death in Heaven (S8)
2. The Big Bang (S5)
1. The Doctor Falls (S10)
Doomsday surprised me by being last but don't like the big button reset similar to Journeys End and Rose exit was undermined by her return.
Hell Bent is higher as I like the Doctor and Clara in the restaurant scenes and love Time Lords
Maybe cover ranking Regeneration story's for a list maybe even with classic doctors?
"i wont rant again about hell bent" - thats just a clickbait video then, i was expecting 10min of this to be the hell bent rant...
Frankly I wasn’t sure I could tap into the same level of rage as I did last time I talked about that one.
I mean, to tap into that rage again, you'd probably need to be exposed to gamma radiation. So it's understandable.
10. Hell Bent
9. The Wedding of River Song
8. The Name of the Doctor
7. Last of the Time Lord
6. Death in Heaven
5. Journey's End
4. The Doctor Falls
3. Doomsday
2. The Big Bang
1. The Parting of the Ways
I agree 100% with your ranking of the final episodes of each series. 😀👍
Quick question; would you ever consider doing a Top 10 Game Of Thrones episodes/ranking the seasons or would it be better to do it when the final season is released?
That’d be something to do when it ends. My old GoT top 10s have aged poorly for that reason.
Having what happened to Donna happen to me is my greatest fear, becoming a different person, learning you matter,and then having all of that ripped away from you after you've decided you would rather die than lose all this just....... I cry every time I watch that episode. And it also makes the episodes in the Library even more powerful to me.
When you do lists like these might I suggest that you have a continuous graphic on screen showing the list so that we can contemplate the complete ranking of the stuff in question in comparison to one another? If this sounds dumb then it's okay without, just crossed my mind as a visual aid to understand your opinion and choices.
Why did I get an ad for Freddie’s Frozen Custard and Steakburgers this video FROZEN CUSTARD
Great job rankin’ the finales of Doctor Who, man. I have some favorites. So lemme list them
At Number one, basically its End of Time Part 2The Doctor saves the universe from the Time Lords, the Master sacrifices himself to help him, the interactions between Wilfred and Ten, Rassilon and the epic final moments of the Tenth Doctor as the regeneration and transition to Matt Smith begins. Vale Dacem, great score ever!
Number two, Parting of the WaysA really absolutely fantastic battle with the Daleks, the transition from Eccleston to Tennant, basically everything.
Number 3, World Enough and Time/The Doctor FallsI could say it’s a semi finale, but still. TWO MASTERS? The Doctor actually fighting the Cybermen, what a freaking epic way to begin closing out the Capaldi era. AMAZING! WOOOOOOOO!
Number 4, Stolen Earth and Journey’s EndDaleks, Davros, Donna saving the day, a big crossover team up, that regeneration and the Metacrisis Doctor. Whoa, that blew my mind when I saw it all.
Number 5, Pandorica and Big BangEpic S5 finale, great way to close out Matt Smith’s first season. The universe being saved and the Doctor going out with newlyweds. That was a change of pace. I LOVED IT!
Number 6, Name of the DoctorThat was awesome. I did like how they executed the 11th Doctor’s regeneration. Not complaining but the John Hurt War Doc and the Stolen Earth regeneration do throw things out of sync with regenerations and incarnations of the Doctor. I’m glad the Doctor did not meet his end on Trenzalore
Number 7, DoomsdayDaleks vs Cybermen? They should have done that in the Classic Era. But still, very nice. Victory at the cost of losing Rose Tyler to another dimension, it was good.
Number 8, Twice Upon a TimeNow that really closed season ten of New Who out, according to some folks. We had an excellent team up between the First Doctor and the Twelfth Doctor, Rusty coming back? I never saw Rusty’s Return coming at all. The final moments before the regeneration, I loved that speech. After the regeneration? It was okay, little disappointed...
Number 9, Hell BentI handled it well. Seeing Gallefrey was cool. I was okay with Clara coming back, I liked her.
Number 10, Death in Heaven Loved the Master
Number 11 and 12, Name of the Doctor and Last of the Time LordsI loved Name of the Doctor, the Great Intelligence was a threat. As for LotTL, the confrontation with the Master rocked.
Those are my favorites for the most part.Thanks for the vid, Nathan
See you next time for another Doctor Who!
Well ranked, I can't really find myself arguing with this list. I might have put Journey's End higher because personally it's one of my favorites, but at the same time I can't argue with your ranking, and the reasons for it.
In fact, as of late I'd been really kind of annoyed that Donna's memory got wiped when other companions had a choice to say no, like Clara and Bill, and I was annoyed that they hadn't found another way for her to keep her memory even if she couldn't keep the time lord consciousness. But your reasoning for it makes a lot of sense, to keep it from being a deux ex machina of having her save everything but not being able to stay that way. Even if it does break our hearts. I miss Donna!
One reason I love your videos, the well thought out explanations.
Here's mine:
1) The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang - A great culmination of the series and ties it up brilliantly.
2) Heaven Sent/Hell Bent - HS is one of the best episodes. I'm on the side of liking HB, so this is why it's up so high.
3) World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls - The best cybermen story in new who.
4) Bad Wolf/The Partings of the Ways - The daleks were at their best in series 1 and this story is no exception.
5) Army of Ghosts/Doomsday - Bit fan service-y with the daleks and cybermen meeting, but nevertheless entertaining.
6) The Name of the Doctor - Ties the series and the impossible girl story arc up ok.
7) Dark Water/Death in Heaven - Very dark for doctor who. Missy is great. The cybermen are a bit redundant.
8) The Stolen Earth/Journey's End - Seeing all the companions back is great and fun, but when you actually think about the story a whole load of problems occur. Why were there buttons (which daleks would not be able to use, but humans could) that could destroy their entire fleet in the vault? If the reality bomb destroys all realities, then surely there's a reality where davros succeed and therefore destroy all realities (including the doctor's).
9) Utopia/The Sound of Drums/The Last of the Time Lords - First part great. Second part good. Third part bad and lets it down.
10) The Wedding of River Song - Bit messy and not really a satisfying conclusion to the series.
I also abhor Hell Bent. Heaven Sent was an utterly beautiful episode.
Indeed.
Journeys end is fantastic
Resets with no consequences always grind my gears. I don't mind time loops and reboots, as long as the events of the episode actually MATTER in some way. But when they don't, it annoys the crap out of me.
THANK YOU Even in "Father day" in first season had more consequences that some NDW endings.
I totally agree that The Doctor Falls is the best finale and the "true" final line of the 12th doctor is so good, you expect a huge speech but it's just: "There aren't any stars. I had hoped there would be stars."
Good topic for a list, I think I would rank them
1) Last of the Timelords
2) The Parting of Ways
3) The Doctor Falls
4) Journey's End
5) Doomsday
6) Death in Heaven
7) The Big Bang
8) The Wedding of River Song
9) The Name of the Doctor
10) Hell Bent
Yep, couldn't agree more! Meeting: Pearl Mackie, Peter Capaldi and David Bradley at London film and comic con 2018! 😁😁
1.) World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
2.) The Pandorica opens/The Big Bang
3.) Bad Wolf/The Parting of the ways
4.) Utopia/the Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
5.) The Stolen Earth/Journeys End
6.) The Name of the Doctor
7.) Doomsday
8.) Dark Water/Death in Heaven
9.) The Wedding of River Song
10.) Hell Bent
How about ranking season opening episodes?
You know, it's funny that I'm here because I generally have the opposite feeling about finales. To me, it's never about the destination, it's about the journey, especially with Doctor Who. A big part of the reason for this is The Wedding of River Song and partially The Big Bang. The stakes were so high in both cases that they held no kind of suspense. For whatever reason, Moffatt was obsessed with the Doctor dying and not regenerating.
Just stop. That's not going to happen. At that point he was only creating a story arc that would end with some kind of contrived and disappointing resolution. RTD had the same obsession with destroying Earth, but he was able to pull of some decent resolutions even if they had no real suspense. I'm hoping the Chibnall will be able to dial back the stakes and allow the audience to feel all parts of the story.
What decent resolutions? The RTD-finales always ended with a cheap deus ex machina.
I think The Pilot acted as the finale to what I think of as its own season, the Capaldi specials. I think every Doctor gets their own mini-season (for the 11th Doctor it's the ____ of the Doctor specials, for the 10th Doctor it's the specials in between series 4 and 5, and for the 9th Doctor it's just Series 1),
and I think the episodes from Face the Raven to The Pilot are the 12th Doctor's own series. They portray the Doctor's arc of dealing with the loss of two different companions and trying to move on from that. The Pilot is the finale because it ends his arc by letting another companion into his life and no longer travelling alone (although I guess Nardole counts as a main companion during the second half).
Doctor Who fans love a list! (and bashing Hell Bent. Because it deserves it!)
Nobody asked for it, but here are my rankings:
1. Parting of the Ways
2. Doomsday
3. The Doctor Falls
4. Last of the Time Lords (I love it, but sadly its silly 'Doctor as Jesus' ending undermines it a bit. The rest of it so superb though - if it wasn't for that it might be my number one!)
5. Death in Heaven
6. Journey's End (never that fond of this one, it was always a bit *too* much for me. Donna's exit was heartbreaking though!)
7. Name of the Doctor
8. Wedding of River Song
9. The Big Bang
10. Hell Bent (not even canon in my mind...)
I see where you're coming from with season 10s ending being the better one overall but I've always loved end of time,sure Tennant wasn't my favourite doctor but that episode really made me care about his soon death and all the sadness he as the doctor has been through,him going to see all his companions one final time,to me,felt needed and heartwarming,the only thing I can say is didn't like about it was the masters fake death,it feels like a actual death for him but then he just kinda pops back in layer on,and credit to the episode for it being the first TV episode and show you make me cry,especially as he says I don't want to go,but still,season 10s ending was really good to.
10:53 For me, Journey’s end would have to be much lower on that list. The fact that none of the companions other than Donner did much; Jack faked his death to sneak around the Crucible, only to get caught and not really have a meaningful story, Martha holds the Earth to ransom, only for the Daleks to teleport her up to the Crucible because they didn’t want to deal with that plot, Mickey and Sara surrender only to not really help that much. All so that Donner could accidentally her way into being able to defeat the Daleks all on her own, and would it not have been much better to have the companions work together in a meaningful way which would’ve justified bringing them all back a lot better? Although it’s meant to look like that’s what they’re doing, it isn’t really if you think about it, it’s really just all of them getting captured and Donner saving them all. And the emotion of sending Donner off could’ve still been done without having her Deus ex-mackina.
Just for Fun the classic Finales:9- The Time Monster: Mostly terrible, it's three most memorable features, something called a Tomtit, Naked Sergeant Benton and a Massive Cleavage.
3- The War Machines: Boring and rather Dated.
19- Time Flight: Imagination out stretches the budget
16- The Armaggedon Factor: pretty meh, first time the Doctor is called There Sigma.
21- Twin Dilemma: bad but not as much as everyone claims, Colin Baker is easily the Best part.
12- Revenge of the Cybermen: Cheap and Crap.
20- The Kings Demon: Bland filler.
18- Logopolis: Bar the regeneration angle, just Boring.
11- Planet of the Spiders: Funny moments but rather Slow
15- Invasion of Time: Easily the worst looking sontarans, another nail in the coffin of the time Lord's dignity, terrible exit for leela.
5- Wheel in Space: Underrated, but with terrible Cybermen
24- Dragonfire: Cheesy but fun with one of the dumbest cliffhangers in the shows history.
17- Shada: A rare gem of Graham Williams era. Doug Adams at his best.
13- The seeds of doom: fairly decent remake of the thing from another world.
10- The Green Death: Some great effects and characters moments, a terrible green screen and the 2nd coolest Dr who villain voice.
1- Reign of Terror: Decent pure historical.
14- Talons of Wein Chiang: Classic, if a bit racist
23- The Ulimate Foe: Some great moments but part 2 is very messy because of Bob Holmes' death.
22- Revelation of the Daleks: Creepy little body horror story.
4- Evil of the Daleks: Great, if a little overrated.
8- The Daemons: Great performances all around, silly looking monsters.
2- The time Meddler: Really funny.
6- The War Games: Kinda long but Part 10 makes up for it.
7- Inferno: excellent dark story almost ruined by crap monsters.
26- Survival: Perfect send off for the Show.
25- The Greatest Show in the Galaxy: Underrated Classic, a metaphor for the show itself.
I don't think twin is that bad either but I do think season 21 should have ended with the caves of andrizani because that feels like a lot more of a season finalie
1. Journey's End
2. The Parting of the ways
3. Doomsday
4. The Big Bang
5. The Doctor Falls
6. Death in Heaven
7.The Name of the Doctor
8. Last of the time lords
9. The Wedding of River Song
10. Hell Bent
(This would be much different if we were counting both parts because most of the time I prefer part 1)
Haven't watched the video yet, so it'll be interesting to see how much it differs from my list.
1) World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
2) The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
3) Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways
4) Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
5) The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
6) Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Timelords
7) The Name of the Doctor
8) Dark Water/Death in Heaven
9) Hell Bent
10) The Wedding of River Song
Interesting list. I wouldn't separate the two parts because I think they go hand in hand with each other. Other than that, there's only really one ranking that really surprised me. The Big Bang down at #8 is shocking tbh, but you provided some good reasons.
Your bottom 2 are exactly the same as mine. I would have bad wolf/parting of the ways at number 1, and Dark Water/Death in heaven above Name of the Doctor. I also have Stolen Earth/Journeys end below Army of ghosts/doomsday, and definitely below Utopia/Sound of drums and last of the time lords
Unsurprisingly my list is very different to yours, showing as usual we look for different things in a show we both love, my list with a brief reason for my choice.
10; Hell Bent; yeah can't disagree that this is a the bottom for all those reasons and more
9; Wedding of River Song; a clustered mess
8 The Name of the Doctor; you almost had me rethinking on this one but too many things in it that doesn't work for me
7 Last of the Time Lords; I really don't like it when they just undo a story like that
6 Death in Heaven; Missy is amazing, but the Cybermen aren't used interestingly and cyberbrig is disrespectful imo
5 Doomsday; Daleks vs Cybermen would be so much better if it wasn't just the Daleks owning them
4 The Doctor Falls; some incredible moments, but I really don't like the Doctor being in a gun fight in the end
3 Big Bang; I take all your points on board here but while it does have so many problems it's got a gung ho quality that keeps me invested
2 Journey's End; it's a big ol' plan the Daleks have and it really nearly works, a few niggles stop it from being a five star classic, but it's still a great closing for four years worth of characters.
1 Parting of the Ways; I'm sorry but I unashamedly love this one.
I think the Bad Wolf entity works when you think of it as essentially Doctor Who's equivalent of the Phoenix Force.
For me it has to be Doomsday, I find this to be the perfect ending to a very mixed season. The reason this episode takes #1 for me is that devastating ending with Rose and the Doctor trapped away from each other. This ending absolutely kills me every time I watch it, such a horrible tragedy that brings tears to my eyes. I just love it. I also love your pick of The Doctor Falls, which is definitely one of my favorites.
I still need to finish Series 10... I gave up halfway through!
10) The Wedding of River Song
9) The Name of the Doctor
8) World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
7) Dark Water/Death in Heaven
6) The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
5) Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
4) Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways
3) Face the Raven/Heaven Sent/Hell Bent
2) Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
1) Turn Left/The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
I actually like every finale, it's just that every other one is so good that Wedding had to be bottom!
I quite liked the wedding of River Song, it was nice to see the eyepatch lady get rekt xD
The lady picking up the Master’s ring at the end ofLast of the time lords left me like whaaaaa....
For whoever cares...here's mine
10. Hell Bent
9. Wedding of River Song
8. The Big Bang
7. Death in Heaven
6. The Name of the Doctor
5. Journey's End
4. The Parting of the Ways
3. The Last of the Time Lords
2. Doomsday
1. The Doctor Falls
So quite Similar, I'm a sucker for Russel T Davies / Tennent Era, and not fond of Smith. But I loved The Doctor Falls and Last of the time lords gets the top 3 spot just because of the Death of the Master and the way it was handled, loved it!
I was really surprised to see The Doctor Falls at the top, I would’ve gone of
1 Journeys End
2 Doomsday
3 Big Bang
4 Parting of Ways
5 The Last of the Time Lords
Moggy Brady that's how I have it ☺️
Not that surprising imo
Great list, although I like the Big Bang more than you do. Totally agree with number 1. It's an awesome episode.
To be fair, The Big Bang did have some ramifications. The TARDIS explosion was supposedly the reason that the crack appeared throughout the Doctor's timeline, which set up the finale for Matt Smith's Doctor.
My biggest nit-pick with Doomsday, although like you I did like it, was that Pete Tyler shouldn’t have been able to save Rose, while I don’t disagree with it thematically, it doesn’t make sense logically, he shouldn’t have been able to know that he’d have to save her, and when he does he’s able to stand and somehow not get affected by the void which is sucking her in and yet it doesn’t affect him even though it should’ve been sucking him in at the same rate it sucks her in.
The Doctor falls will always be the best finale imo. Glad you share my opinion!
The more I think about The Doctor Falls goes up in my minds the more I think about it. The ones I differ from you the most on are 'The Big Bang' and 'Journey's End'. I'd have the former higher and latter lower.
BTW you have a certain sitcom on the brain that's rather polarising in this community. XD
Just clicked on the title. Misreading it on my part. I was wondering if you'd considered the finales, (as in the regenerations) specifically the final scenes or speeches, when they try and summarise their arc, 9, 10, 11, 12. I appreciate it's not the biggest of ideas, but I feel it could be interesting.
Well I'll be doing a ranking of regeneration episodes eventually. I may or may not rank the regenerations themselves as isolated moments if I feel that list would be decidedly different from the regeneration episodes list.
To be honest I love Hell Bent. I straight up gasped when Journeys End was only 5th place.
Hey, sometimes I surprise even myself.
And then you learn that Chibnall gave up the Christmas slot.
I'm glad to see the Doctor Falls getting this sort of appreciation because I felt that the themes of the episode were very underrated.
I may be overrating it a bit when I say it's one of my favourite doctor who episodes EVER, but I loved it :)
I loved the idea of Daleks vs Cyberman in Doomsday, but I wish it hadn't ben so one-sided.
Heart wrenching ending though.
I dont understand why everyone hates Hell Bent.
I... honestly didn't expect your #1. It is neat though
I actually agree quite a bit, especially with numbers 1, 2 and 3.
If the world doesn’t go back, of those people aren’t saved in Last of the Time Lords then it no longer becomes our earth and we lose our connection with it. I think we need to feel that any of this is possible and there’s a sense of reality about it and if becomes rather earth where so many died then I think we’d lose something very important to what Doctor Who is.
Fair enough, but then I would argue if you already know that you have to reset everything back to zero at the end then don't do that kind of story in the first place.
I liked the moments in Hell Bent where the Doctor is willing to risk the entire universe's well-being for Clara's life because it shows how unhealthy the relationship between the Doctor and Clara is. He wants her alive more than she wants to live. Even though I didn't like the fact that Clara is still alive (for now), I liked the fact that she didn't travel with the Doctor anymore, because together, they bring about utter chaos, just like Missy intended.
I agree. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls is Capaldi's best story.
For me:
10. Hell Bent
9. The name of the Doctor
8. The wedding of river song
7.The Big Bang
6. Death in Heaven
5. The Doctor Falls
4. Parting of the Ways
3. Doomsday
2. Last of the Time Lords
1. Journey's end
1. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
2. Name of the Doctor
3. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
4. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
5. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways
6. Dark Water/Death in Heaven
7. Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
8. Stolen Earth/Journey's End
9. Wedding of River Song
10. Hell Bent
10: Hell Bent
9: The Wedding of River Song
8: Death In Heaven
7: The Big Bang
6: Doomsday
5: The Name of the Doctor
4: Journey’s End
3: Last of the Time Lords
2: The Doctor Falls
1: The Parting of the Ways
Not a bad video, but I do disagree with yo in some aspect. I have to also include the specials as they ended some of the Doctor's journey's:
1) End of Time Part 2 (BEST)
2) Series 4 Finale
3) Series 3 Fanale
4) Series 1 Finale
5) Series 2 Finale
6) Series 7 Finale
7) Series 8 Finale
8) Series 10 Finale
9) Series 5 Finale
10) Series 6 Finale
11) Twice Upon a Christmas
12) Series 8 Finale.
10. The Wedding of River Song
09. Dark Water / Death in Heaven
08. Army of Ghosts / Doomsday
07. Bad Wolf / Parting of the Ways
06. Name of the Doctor
05. The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang
04. Utopia / The Sound of Drums / Last of the Time Lords
03. Turn Left / The Stolen Earth / Journey's End
02. Face the Raven / Heaven Sent / *cough cough*
01. World Enough and Time / The Doctor Falls
Yeah, I suppose Series 10 had the best close-out of them all. Unfortunately most series finales do suffer from the problem of "Setting up a big thing and then having that big thing be completely inconsequential", which is why I personally hate episodes like Big Bang (not theory), The Wedding of River Song, The Last of the Time Lords etc. I actually kinda wish that modern Who continued the trend of 70's Who, where they didn't really have "Series finales" and individual series would end on a random episode that is no more epic than the previous ones. Although I get that that would probably negatively affect the ratings and stuff, so I guess we'll have to make do.
But yeah, good list, I can get behind most of this stuff (except for Hell Bent and Doomsday, cause I love Clara and dislike Rose)
Yeehhh Finally someone who dislikes Rose and likes Clara !!. Rose just gets on my nerves all the time. I don't mind her "Bad Wolf" thing but the fact that she got the doctor to love her romantically because it doesn't make much sense to me and it's not really the fact that he "loved" her or she "loved" him (We got that one before and after her so yeah it's fine) but the fact that they made it a plot. I'm actually glad that we didn't get this (at least not achieved) with the other companions.
+Tania Shafiei Exactly! They simply put that in as an obligatory romantic storyline and that's dumb in my opinion.
Including a couple of the specials:
13: The Vanquishers
12: The Timeless Children
11: The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos
10: The Wedding of River Song
9: Death in Heaven
8: The Big Bang
7: The Last of the Timelords
6: Name of the Doctor
5: Hell Bent
4: The Doctor Falls
3: Journey’s End
2: Doomsday
1: Parting of the Ways
1) The Stolen Earth / Journeys End
2) Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday
3) The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang
4) World Enough And Time / The Doctor Falls
5) Bad Wolf / Parting Of The Ways
6) The Sound Of Drums / Last Of The Timelords
7) Dark Water / Death In Heaven
8) The Name Of The Doctor
9) The Wedding Of Riversong
10) Hell Bent
11) The Battle Ar Ranskoor Av Kolos
Idk if you've done this yet but you should rank each doctor's first episodes
It’s on the to-do list.
Council of Geeks awesome! Can't wait to hear your thoughts!
Council of Geeks you should wait until Jodie's first episode.
1) "World Enough And Time"/"The Doctor Falls"
2) "The Pandorica Opens"/"The Big Bang"
3) "Bad Wolf"/"The Parting Of The Ways"
4) "Face The Raven"/"Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent"
5) "The Wedding Of River Song
6) "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End"
7) "Dark Water"/"Death In Heaven"
8) "Army Of Ghosts"/"Doomsday"
9) "Utopia"/"The Sound Of Drums"/"The Last Of The Time Lords"
10) "The Name Of The Doctor"
Honestly I’m glad Moffat did twice upon a time, if only for Bradley’s speech on why he left Galifray.
My number 1 would definitely have to be The Big Bang
could you do a top ten on the best series openers (classic and modem)
I love Journey's End, but I hate what they did to Donna. The show repeats the line "traveling in the TARDIS makes you better" multiple times, but Dnna's the first time we actually see that. She's the first companion to really get an arc tied to the series. Mickey grows offscreen, Martha's leaving mostly comes from the last episode alone, and Rose is still the kind of person who would make out with another dude in front of the man she "loves,." but Donna had a chance to grow...and they took it all away. It's sad, but it's also just narrative bad as far as I'm concerned.
Despite this complaint, it would be towards the top of my list.
name of the doctor is my favorite (i know full well that angels in manhatten wasnt a series finale but if it was where would u guys rank it)
*1.* World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
*2.* Face The Raven/Heaven Sent/Hell Bent (Yes, I consider this a 3-Part Finale)
*3.* The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
*4.* Dark Water/Death In Heaven
*5.* The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
*6.* Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
*7.* Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways
*8.* The Name of the Doctor
*9.* Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
*10.* The Wedding of River Song
I don't think there has actually been a "bad" finale - they've all been pretty strong, which makes it hard to rank them. But you did a good job, and I pretty much agree with your list. Would probably put "Journey's End" a bit lower, and "The Name of the Doctor" higher (I think that episode is an underrated gem) and swap "The Doctor Falls" with "Doomsday", but that's it!