Let's Analyze Death Battle: Goku Vs Superman
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- Super-Saiyan Vs. Superman. Which alien hero is the mightiest? I have to warn you, this is a LONG analysis so I hope you brought snacks!
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Well that certainly was insightful. I didn't even knew you had UA-cam videos.
That was a good video.
Thank you
@@Animeaddiction sure thing.
How are you doing?
@@niddisins6875 I'm doing fine. I also have a part 2 to this video.
@@Animeaddiction that's good to hear. I'll be sure to check it out.
*Claps* Thank you for this well thought out and in depth review. This vid should be shown both superman and DBZ fanboys alike.
Nicely done mate!
nice video
Goku's power level during the Namek Saga would be 90,000. This is because with Kaioken, he pulled off 180,000. Goku then recovers and has a wopping 3,000,000. That's a 30x increase.
Slayer Seb And again, that still doesn't make sense as Power Levels had no units, no definite proportions and no explanations on how they are measured. I didn't hear him say 'Kaio-Ken" times whatever and it STILL doesn't make sense when he went up against Frieza in his final form at max power with the Super-Saiyan form. Furthermore, you're Power Scaling which doesn't work either.
www.comicvine.com/profile/sirmethos/blog/why-power-scaling-doesn-t-work-in-dbz/95665/
Good video i enjoyed it.
In answer to +JJoh4040 comment about Katchin.
Okay smart guy, tell me which chapter or episode that STATES that Katchin is equal or greater density than a neutron star. I don't want to hear about some fan-made wiki page. I want the actual source.
Here's the manga.
static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/14/149746/4083462-lifts+katchin+block.gif
And here's the anime.
ua-cam.com/video/P22F17cYWng/v-deo.html
NEVER was it stated to be as heavy as a neutron star. So where did you get that nonsense? From SSRyu1 or Kakarot88? Two known fantards who don't provide proper evidence or just takes everything out of context? I want the original sources.
I'm not surprised you can't give me an answer other than, 'that's what THEY said, so it must be true.' And all those scientific facts about neutron stars mean NOTHING and DO NOT PROVE that Katchin is equal or greater to their densities. You just rattled on and on about neutron stars and made NO CONNECTION to Katchin. And think about it. If Katchin really was that heavy, then the ground would have buckled under Goku's feet the moment he caught it. Heck, he'd be CRUSHED by the sheer weight of a neutron star.
And don't start with SUPERMATT5546's idiocy about King Kai's planet having 3.5x the density of a neutron star. He gets an A for effort, but a DOUBLE-F-MINUS for basic astrophysics. A neutron star has over 10,000 times greater gravity than the Sun.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_gravity
Our Sun has a gravity of about 28 times greater than Earth. Therefore, a neutron star has a gravity of over 280,000 times greater than Earth. What was King Kai's planet gravity again? Only TEN?! I don't even NEED to do the math to know there's no way it could be that small, be 3.5 times denser than a neutron star and have only 10x gravity. Even if you were to compress the Earth down to the density needed for 10x gravity, it would still be WAY LARGER than King Kai's world, which by the way, is smaller than a downtown parking garage building.
Hardness of any substance can depend on density, but also on how their molecular structures are arranged. A diamond is the hardest natural substance on Earth, but I can pick one up easy. A metal alloy can be stronger, yet LIGHTER than titanium. Fictional metals such as Adamantium, Uru, Photanium, Gundanium, etc can follow the same pattern. The Katchin episode was only to test the SHARPNESS of the Z sword and made NO REFERENCE WHATSOEVER about its weight other than Superme Kai saying, "Let's try more density and a LITTLE LESS MASS."
+Hung Nguyen none of this matters superman is not on the same level as goku. sups has never once shown that he can fight some one like goku. also after using the infinite mass punch superman was knocked unconscious from his own recoil.(which destroyed 1 planet). Dbz characters are comparable because they all have the same powers if Cell can destroy a sol system then all who are stronger can do the same including goku. superman is powerful and his character and powers are made to save people. but goku was designed to be fighter. So if wonder women, batman and Mohamed Ali can do it so can goku for the same reasons.
+Hung Nguyen also dense and heavy are synonyms
stephfan brown Try again. Superman can and HAS fought on levels equal and above Goku's. Check out this link:
static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/3837147-2275795227-36035.jpg
Exactly the same type of pressure point attack he used on Goku during the first Death Battle.
Here's Superman having a faster-than-light lunch with the Flash.
static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111130781/3706710-4016045162-26290.jpg
The thing is that Dragon Ball fans only rely on the flashy stuff and what they've seen on the anime and don't do the same for Superman in the comics. Superman has had extensive combat training from Batman, Wonder Woman and several other masters of fighting arts. Furthermore, if your physical skills FAR exceed your opponent's, then it wouldn't matter how skilled the foe is if he can't hit harder, is slower or he can't get past your defenses. Superman far exceeds Goku's strength, so it's no contest in terms of punching power. Superman can push himself and his senses to unheard of speeds. And forget about trying to get through that ultra-dense molecular structure if you think Goku can punch or kick his way through it.
If you put Bruce Lee up against an angry grizzly, then my money's on the bear. The bear may not know jack squat about martial arts, but it DOES KNOW that its sheer size, durability, strength, faster-than-human reflexes and claws will tear Bruce Lee to shreds.
And remember that Superman not only took the recoil of his own Infinite Mass Punch, but also the impact of the Shadow Moon, which was composed of SOLID DARK MAGIC. Read the story. Since Superman has no special defense against magic, it's still surprising that his body managed to hold together. What does Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku do with a laser? He nearly dies and had to be saved by Vegita. So what does that tell you about Goku's durability?
Don't use Power Scaling. Cell only CLAIMED he could destroy a solar system, and in the end, his beam and Gohan's only left a large crater. If Captain America can beat the Hulk, (and he has), does that mean Captain America is more powerful than the Hulk? No. He was just smarter and used better tactics. This isn't a simple head-on fight/brawl like all the fights you've seen in Dragon Ball. Superman proved that in the rematch. He knew that matching Goku in power would destroy the Earth again, so he just simply applied Heat Vision to the brain and instant win. Goku only knows punch, kick and ki blasts. That's it.
Lastly, dense and heavy are related, but ARE NOT THE SAME. Simply put, density is the ratio of how much matter is crammed into a given volume of space, while heavy or weight, deals with the gravitational force applied on an object with a specific mass. For example, if you have a 5 pound block of wood and a 5 pound block of lead and toss both into a lake, which would sink? Of course the lead would sink. Why? Are you saying because it is heavier? Wrong answer. Both blocks weigh the same, five pounds. In other words, the exact same force of gravity exerting on each. The lead has a greater density and therefore would sink.
This nonsense about Katchin being as dense as a neutron star is just that, nonsense. It is NEVER stated in either the manga or anime to be that dense. It is only stated about its HARDNESS and that's it. There are lots of alloys that are harder than titanium yet lighter.
+Hung Nguyen I dont know how to up load scans to you tube lol and im a very slow typer, so im going to address these a few at a time. 1 your scans dont show him fighting at light speed like dbz charaters do. 2.lifting power and punching power are not the same thing infact the strongest man and the most powerful puncher are two different people. 3. this isn't bruce lee vs a grizzly bear, this Bruce lee vs Brain shaw or conor mcgregor vs the mountain (look it up, its kinda fun to watch). 4. Why Would Cell in front of gohan knowing how powerful gohan is make a false claim when he could have easily just said planet instead of sol system. Any way it just keeps getting worse buu and broly are galaxy busters and this is shown and stated by other people in dbz. Beerus can destroy at-least 20 galaxies and Goku is worth at- least half of that. And side note Ki is an explosive expression of ones physical and internal power, so in dbz if you can do it with your ki you can do it with your fist. 5. ki is magical i the dc universe which means it affect supper man the same way magic dose (in the dc universe). also man dont take DB fight scenes as fact, like thats how it would go down.
+Hung Nguyen This a real question not sarcasm. Has superman ever moved a planet by him self. no help from any one at all.
Superman would win, but for some reason you think Screw Attack did a good job at researching so here...
-At the beginning they said Superman said he could destroy an entire if Galaxy, and they disregarded that version of Superman as so, but Superman had magic powder which gave him the sniffles...
-Goku's Maximum Ki power... Piccolo had his arm shot off by Raditz, so in the totes IRL science they injected into a fictional world Piccolo should've over loaded and Imploded... But in fact Piccolo was able to kill Goku and Piccolo with the same blast...
-The Gravity Formula... They used a 1g Base Stat, but they used it to represent earth's gravity... But they weren't on earth were they? e-e DeathBattle = Too Many assumptions
-This one actually goes for both sides... Being able to lift a certain amount does not matter when you're punching each other... Lifting strength only matters in a fight when you're gonna pick something up and throw it at someone.
-Goku's speed... They divided it by ten because the they thought the entirety was 10x regular gravity, but that's only King Kai's planet...
-Goku's speed... Again... They assumed all the curves on Snake Way we're all the same, there's only one way... Count every curve on snake way... (Of course that's too ridiculous too do, but there's other ways of determining speed)
-I really hate when people do this... They're taking Superman's from different Multiverse's, I can not agree with this because let's say... Superman 1 Lifted a Planet
Superman 2 can only lift a moon...
Obviously some are weaker/stronger than others...
These are actually contradicting you,
-"Goku only used Instant Transmission once in the DeathBattle because he had the time to" The animation doesn't determine the winner.
-You stars some where in the video "We can not make any assumptions when analyzing DeathBattle" (Or something similar) Even though you gave Super Sayian God only a 6 as a multiplier. (Not counting the one disclosing SSJ 4)
DeathBattle happens to have... Faulty research... People think they spent all that delayed time researching... I honestly thought it took them that long because they were still doing the animation...
for the moon it is explained that Kami took Goku's tail and used it to re-make the moon
RESPECT SUPERMAN HE IS THE O.G OF ALL SUPERHEROES EVEN YOUR GRANDPA KNOWS HIM
I like this guys calculations, they seem more accurate
Great video. This is just a recap of all that matters and answering what is misleading. Everything else is just speculation and is even more of a what if than this. The only possible outcome that Goku can win is if they don't fight each other.
if both these characters had no powers who wins and why and if they both had the same stats (strength, speed, durability) who wins and why. if you don't mind just wanted to try a new topic. and yes i'm too lazy to hit the shift key.
you said you "have no idea how piccolo and roshi destroyed the moon in the same continuity" the moon was wished back you may not have seen dbz in a while
about the katchin feat
also that argument about "katchin is ONLY the densest(hardest) metal in the universe not the heaviest " would be the case BUT we are NOT talking about the minerals, or metals that are the strongest on EARTH we are talking about the universe we are talking about a neutron star which is billions of times stronger than steel www.space.com/6682-neutron-star-crust-stronger-steel.html
and NO earth mineral or object is denser than a star and density MAY not equal weight/mass BUT a neutron star HAS BOTH MASS AND DENSITY as it weighs more than a sun a neutron star has three solar masses the thing people overlook is that goku HAD to have been lifting a neutron star because in order to GET the densest(mass comes with it) metal you MUST leave earth and get a star which is 10 BILLION times more dense than steel
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_J0348%2B0432
"Neutron stars have overall densities of 3.7×1017 to 5.9×1017 kg/m3 (2.6×1014 to 4.1×1014 times the density of the Sun),[b] which is comparable to the approximate density of an atomic nucleus of 3×1017 kg/m3.[7] The neutron star's density varies from below 1×109 kg/m3 in the crust-increasing with depth-to above 6×1017 or 8×1017 kg/m3 deeper inside (denser than an atomic nucleus) and neutron star has a mass of at least 1.1 and perhaps up to 3 solar masses (M☉),[1][2] though the highest observed mass is 2.01 M☉ Neutron stars typically have a surface temperature around ~6×105 K. "
AND " Neutron stars are the densest and smallest stars known to exist in the universe; with a radius of only about 12-13 km (7 mi), they can have a mass of about twice that of the Sun."
dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Katchin
Katchin is the strongest metal in the UNIVERSE so that immediatly eliminates earth because in order to say "toughest metal in the universe" it IMMDIATELY must be talking about a neutron star because the neutron star IS the strongest metal KNOWN metal in the universe(NOT earth) is a neutron star WHICH ALSO is VERY HEAVY combined with its density which is what people overlook they focus on its DENSITY that they ignore the truth that it ALSO IS VERY HEAVY AND DENSE AT THE SAME TIME see?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_mass
www.space.com/22180-neutron-stars.html
dictionary.reference.com/browse/density the pysics definition says mass per unit volume
www.spaceanswers.com/deep-space/why-are-neutron-stars-so-heavy/
"Neutron stars are created when a star around eight to ten times the mass of our Sun runs out of fuel. The outward pressure generated by fusion reduces rapidly, allowing gravity to pull the star in on itself and trigger a supernova, where the outer layers of a star’s atmosphere get blown into space.
The remaining matter continues to collapse under gravity, forcing electrons and protons to be squashed together and become neutrons. The neutron star will have less mass than its parent star (typically about 1.4-times the mass of the Sun), but this mass will be confined by gravity to a region of approximately 20 kilometres (12 miles) across, leading to an incredibly dense object. It is this density (a teaspoon full of neutron star would have a mass of about a billion tons) that truly defines a neutron star."
the scan FROM THE MANGA that says 158 days(or 5 and a half months) of training with king kai is like a few THOUSAND YEARS(IN EARTH TIME) ON EARTH
www.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/211/3
it is easy to measure, which means the level of power, just get the 150 ki Master Roshi, who destroyed the moon to split the energy needed to destroy the moon, and decrease geometrically is not difficult
NaipesGames Again, WHERE does it say how Power Levels are measured or WHAT they measure? Do the numbers relate to speed, strength, durability, all of the above, none of the above? What? Even that example of Master Roshi blowing up the Moon cannot be an accurate measurement and here's why.
www.comicvine.com/profile/sirmethos/blog/why-power-scaling-doesn-t-work-in-dbz/95665/
can you need 30 billion mega tons,consult a physical ,i not kidding, durability is 3/2 the destrotion power ,vegeta have 24000 and he withstood a 32000 kamehameha ,so kame cam do 30 billion magatons and withstood 40 billion magatons in hes face,like i say power em dbz universe ,grows geometrically ,so to now the power of vegeta in megatons for example you take the first reference Master Roshi ,apply the metrics,and raises cubed,is simple the argue of "we can´t measure" is a fallacy of this sites they not even really try
Hung Nguyen the argue ,in the text you send ,are wrong to ,see ,1 "urability(as seen with Trunks' USSJ form)" ,this no make sense Trunks are using hes power and just investing in destrution ,for example the diference of a nuclear bomb and a nuclear plant ,2 "2. Power Multipliers " in did ,we don´t know ,all this but thanks to raditz we know ,kamehamera multiply ki for 2 and special bean cannon for 3 ,2 fingers and 2 hands , and 3 last ,this text disregards the ability of user
NaipesGames Again Power Levels tell us NOTHING. The series makes no explanation on how they are measured or what they measure. Tell me the episode or manga chapter that explains them. And do not refer me to a FAN-MADE wiki. Those are assumptions made by the fans and are not confirmed. We KNOW the power of a supernova. We KNOW the speed of light. We KNOW the mass of the Earth. We can use those for comparison and measurement. Remember that farmer Radditz met? You say a Power Level of Five and I'll say... Five what? Five pounds, five miles per hour, five volts... What?
Let me give you an example of how a fictional measurement system should be done. Ever heard of Toriko? They have a system called Capture Levels and they explain right off the bat by saying Level 1 means it would take 10 professional hunters or soldiers to find or take down a beast. Therefore Level 3 means it would take 30 hunters and so on. And after more than 300 chapters they are STILL using that system. Why? Because it is still relevant. It still matters.
Power Levels were abandoned after Namek. They tell us NOTHING. They mean nothing. They don't matter. And if even the author didn't explain them and abandoned them, then why should they matter to the fans?
Power Levels are basically useless for measurement if they aren't even given explanation.
if you can not calculate, and does not understand how to calculate, the problem is not mine, I'm sorry
Oh and Adrian, Goku might be stronger than Thor, but not the hulk, hulk has been able to lift and punch over 150 billion tons
your right,I was so mad I was like "this sucks!!!!" I was thinking and watching a bunch of videos and I came to realize superman can beat Goku. But I still like Goku more then Superman, and thanks for replying to my super rage comment. But really the fact was that superman v batman was the worst movie XD
Have you seen man of steel or batman v superman? What do you think of those movies?
They were cute but I really didn't care for them. Man of Steel was an interesting reboot of Superman but they didn't do him justice. Batman Vs Superman was definitely geared toward the Batman fans and really nerfed Superman. Heck, they showed Batman as a gullible patsy. He's supposed to be the world's greatest detective but he got played by Lex Luthor way too easily. I probably will watch Justice League though I hope they give both Superman and Batman the credit they deserve.
I understand, maybe check this website out? It may help you better understand the great depths these movies have in the films story: www.manofsteelanswers.com/
You said that you have never seen a DBZ character "through a punch" in a planet ? Are you serious ? have you ever seen DBZ? goku makes a whole thrugh king kay's planet .sure that planet was very small...but the point is that you know all the fact about superman, but it seems that you and Screw attack have no idea what goku can actually do and hite the exact details behind curtains so that underwear over pants can shine .please....
I said 'we don't see a character DESTROY a planet with a single punch.' Damaging a relatively small area such as King Kai's planet that you can circumvent in less than a minute is not really a feat compared to what Superman has done. Furthermore, I try to keep an OBJECTIVE ATTITUDE and deal with facts and verified figures and your comment is clearly SUBJECTIVE and opinion-based. I don't like fan-driven rage.
The planet is fucking small exactly lol
wait a minute .
goku at snake way had before training
speed with heavy cloths= 1 million km/177 days=235.4km/hr
so in order to find his speed without heavy clothing we shall use the principle of energy conservation
that is
kinetic energy with HC=kinetic energy without HC
m v^2/2=M V^2
here m =62 kg that is goku's official weight
and HC=113 kg ,V=235.4km/hr
so M=62+113=175 kg
so 62 *v^2/2=175*235.4^2/2
so v=396 km/hr
similarly after training at 10g gravity
goku could run snake way within almost a day
so speed =1 million km/ 24hr= 41,700 km/hr
now KK had changed gokus' HC to be little lighter so
we can lowball new HC to be > 50 supernova limit
so yeah goku can beat superman
If he really was that fast at that point, then WHY did he use the Nimbus Cloud once he got off Kami's lookout? Why didn't he speed back to where Gohan and the others were fighting Nappa? The Nimbus Cloud is below the speed of sound. Why would he switch to a slower method if he was in a hurry? In the manga, he hopped and ran back over Snake Way. Death Battle gave Goku a constant speed on the return trip with the assumption that he didn't stop for food, water, sleep or bathroom breaks for 28 hours. The simple answer is, he's not that fast.
It was NEVER stated that Grand Kai's planet has 10x gravity. Only King Kai's planet had 10x gravity. All they said was 40 tons. Period. Don't make the assumption that all the Kai planets have increased gravity. Hercule Satan and his pet dog ran all over Supreme Kai's planet with no problems, indicating that it had normal gravity. Stupidly, he ran off a short cliff trying to fly and hit the ground. He was really hurt, but he survived. If he was on a planet with 10x gravity, he would have hit the ground at about 40 mph and probably die.
Lastly, Goku needs to really push himself in order to get to FTL and unfortunately for him, his senses cannot match that physical speed. If you move at FTL, then your brain and senses have to process information and stimuli at that speed to compensate. Otherwise, you'd just be fighting blind. Please rewatch my video and pay attention to the explanation on the tachyon theory.
Please recheck your math and how you apply your formulas. They don't fit with the situation or storyline.
+Hung Nguyen
* then WHY did he use the Nimbus Cloud once he got off Kami's lookout? *
what the hell are you saying?
first of all when was nimbus cloud stated to be sound or less speed ?
goku after 10g training had
221,835 km/hr
speed of sound is 1,225 km/hr
even kid goku swimmed with 1668 km/hr
goku is sonic +
nimbus cloud takes around 12 seconds for
gohan to reach home to school which was said to be 1000 km
nimbus cloud is 300,000km/hr
so yeah nimbus was easily faster than sound and yet still faster than goku at that point
*Goku needs to really push himself in order to get to FTL and unfortunately for him, his senses cannot match that physical speed.*
it was never stated that he has to push himself in order to get FTL period
don't make assumptions
please understand my calculations before bitching about them
they do fit the storyline and situation
it is your math that dosn't
and tachyons are based on general theory of relativity and do not work on
dragon ball universe which follows strictly newtonial physics
so learn first before you insult others
*Hercule Satan and his pet dog ran all over Supreme Kai's planet with no problems, indicating that it had normal gravity.*
that is supreme kai's realm no body else is allowed there
but grand kai's planet is a training ground.
and it is smaller than kaioshins' planet too
making it having more gravity as per newtons gravity laws
it has 10G gravity just like kais planet
and its not an assumption it is calculatable
goku trained at namek in 100g with HC
so his actual training was 100*(620+1130)/62 =2830G
and if he trained at only 40tons that is 646 G
so
you mean to say
he trained at namek in a higher G but in later seris at lower G ,
yeah makes sense
bhuvana ramamoorthy If the Nimbus Cloud really was supersonic, then you should hear a sonic boom. Furthermore, if you are travelling at supersonic speed then you've got a problem with breathing the air, G-forces and air friction. Why else do you think pilots wear oxygen masks and G-suits? Goku wasn't using any ki to protect himself while riding the Nimbus Cloud or we would have seen an aura. His clothes should have burned off. We can clearly see the clothes flapping in wind so we know the cloud isn't protecting him from outside effects. And we know when Chichi was riding with him, that she couldn't take the high speeds like Goku could. Again we know that the cloud isn't doing anything but being a transport.
Who says Grand Kai's planet was smaller than King Kai's? We saw Goku getting on a plane to go to Grand Kai's planet and it was DEFINITLY larger than King Kai's. Heck, we even saw Goku meditate on a mountain on Grand Kai's planet during the Cell Saga. I'm pretty certain King Kai's planet didn't have a mountain.
Again who says that Grand Kai's planet had 10x gravity? Nobody that's who. In both the manga and anime, King Kai's planet was stated to have 10x, period. It's only an ASSUMPTION that fans make that all the Kai planets have the same gravity. They only mentioned the training weights on Goku's body. Nothing else. Give me the episode or chapter that proves Grand Kai's world has 10x gravity. And no, I don't want a fan-made wiki. I have a friend in Tokyo who translated the Daizenchuu for me and it made no mention of the other Kai Planets' gravity other than King Kai's being 10x.
Lastly, you say that Dragon Ball exists with only Newtonian physics and not Einstein's? Well if that's the case, then it CAN'T be based on our Universe as many fans say, because our Universe has BOTH. Therefore, Einstein's Theory Of Relativity, and all things related to quantum mechanics don't exist either. No nuclear or fusion-powered weapons or devices, no spacecraft powered by ion drives or warp drives, etc. Science fiction may be fiction, but they still have some connection to science fact.
Even your claim about Newtonian laws has quite a few holes, like I pointed out with sonic booms and whatnot. Toriyama later admitted that he was no science major and when I challenged a viewer named +InfiniteTwice to put Goku's feats under the same analysis as he did with Superman, Goku's feats FAILED EVEN WORSE.
+Hung Nguyen
*then you should hear a sonic boom. *
duhh ,it is an animation what do you want , make views go deaf from watching it?
and there were sonic booms too
*if you are travelling at supersonic speed then you've got a problem with breathing the air, G-forces and air friction*
duhh again.
goku and chichi trained to sustain himself in low oxygen
and the cloud is magical ,it doens't only transport,
since its already magical it doens't mean physics can apply to it .
and atmost only air can
and it is raced general blues rocket jets and this prooves it is supersonic +
and also proves that goku,chici and their cloths can take on such G-forces
and air fricction
its not the other way around that goku can't take ai fircition so cloud was slower
you are just a downplayer i mean where is your benefit of doubt ?
and i meantioned kaioshins that is supreme kai not kink kai,
read it first then complain about it later
it is not an assumption idiot ,
it is your assumption that just becasue it wasn't mentioned 10 G
then it must not be
then explain why goku trained in a lesser G in grand kais planet but higher G in namek
well it has to have higher G even may be more than 10G
why?
if you look in the DBU map the grand kai's planet is very close to large heaven and a sun
so grand kais planet must be high enough to oppose suns' and heavens gravity
and we know ot does this else every object will be flying everywhere
*then it CAN'T be based on our Universe as many fans say, because our Universe has BOTH.*
it is based on our universe but that dosn't mean it is exact like ours
* No nuclear or fusion-powered weapons or devices, no spacecraft powered
by ion drives or warp drives, etc. Science fiction may be fiction,
but they still have some connection to science fact.
Even your claim about Newtonian laws has quite a few holes, like I
pointed out with sonic booms and whatnot.*
yeah didn't have nuclear powered space crafts ,they had even better
soace crafts taht are MFTL
that alone breaks theory of relativity
and there were sonic booms in the seris too this supports newtonian
mechanics
and i dind't claim it has newtonian mechanics , it hasn't shown anything like mass increasing when moving near lightspeed
this only happens in newtons
and how does sonic booms are holes on newtonian mechanics?
bhuvana ramamoorthy There's a difference between suspending belief and insulting one's intelligence. A bullet is able to travel faster than sound. How do we know? It's because the gunshot is actually a micro-sonic boom. The tip of a bullwhip goes faster than sound, causing that snapping sound. Look up your basic physics again. A human-sized object going at supersonic speed would cause a much greater sound and disruption. Hell, if you've ever been next to a cannon when it fires off, you'd feel one heck of a shockwave once that she'll leaves the barrel. So if the Nimbus Cloud is traveling at Supersonic speed, then any sound made by the rider will be heard like an echo. It's like a sniper shooting a long-distance target. The bullet, travelling at supersonic speed, will hit the target BEFORE the target hears the gunshot. The sound, being slower, takes more time to catch up.
Who says Namek has greater gravity? If that were the case then Bulma wouldn't be walking around normally on that planet, which she did.
Yeah I saw the DBU map and it also has Snake Way as 1/5th the length of the whole Universe. So if Snake Way is 1 million km long, (it's stated in the manga to don't deny it), does that mean the DBZ universe is only 5 million km long? That is one SMALL UNIVERSE. Grand Kai's planet's has NEVER BEEN STATED to have 10x gravity, period. It is not stated in the Daizenchuu except for the fact that King Kai's planet has 10x gravity, that's all. I have a friend in Tokyo who translates stuff for me and even he says that only King Kai's planet has 10x gravity. Fans just assume the other Kai planets are the same.
So if the DBZ universe is based on ours but isn't exactly the same, then the laws that fans ignore and those that are accepted contradict with each other. Toriyama already admitted that he's no science major and only chose numbers randomly because they sounded impressive.
A guy named +InfiniteTwice wrote a long blog, using complex formulas to debunk Superman's feat of tanking a supernova. I challenged him to put Goku's feats under the same conditions, which failed even worse. Finally he said that we shouldn't put comic and manga characters strictly under the laws of science. Which means all the laws he put Superman under was hypocrisy.
The thing is, that if Goku is said to do this and that, even if you're ignoring certain laws, then Superman should be given the same, it's only fair. So if you can accept Goku shaking the entire DBZ universe with three punches, then I can accept Superman lifting both eternity and infinity.
This Death Battle is over. Move on.
If you going to use ssi god then you have to use superman 1 million
I totally disagree with outcome, Goku would easily teleported out of there, and Genki Dama would easily killed Superman, not to mention cutting blades of energy, and neither Goku or Superman would of destroy planet Earth, they both protect it.
***** If Superman is able to take his own Infinite Mass Punch at point-blank range, then the Genki Dama wouldn't have done squat to him. Goku needs to concentrate to use Instant Transmission, and in that final blast, he wouldn't have been able to. The destruction of Earth was just a joke about the world ending on 12/21/2012, but the video was delayed.
In any case, the fight and animation doesn't determine the winner, it is only for entertainment only. After the research, Superman was found to be the winner by a HUGE margin and the Death Battle Team had to beef up Goku's stats in order to make the fight seem less of a STOMP. Go to this link:
ua-cam.com/video/rwN0O4iNnrM/v-deo.html
Go about 16 mins into the video. Chad James, the guy who voices Boomstick, HATES Superman and is a Goku Fan. Even he admits that it wasn't even a fight. It was such a bad mismatch that if Superman went all out, Goku would have been VAPORIZED in less than 5 seconds.
Hung Nguyen all the information in the video was created misleading, because Satan who is copy inside your brains manipulated you utilizing smart tactics to make you believe that.
Superman doesn't stand a chance, because the calculations of Gokus poser are misleading, they measure Gokus strengths when before even be coming a SSJ, and he was able to lift less and do less, when he became SSJ against Freezer his base form was stronger, and so for his SSJ, example the base form they use to measure Gokus power was antique, before SSJ, and they calculated that X, to estimate an amount that was incorrect, Now measure Gokus Strenght after Freezer, his normal base strength is superior than the one they measure, and multiply that times, it will give you a much more powerful resuslt, and so on when Goku became SSJ2, 3 and 4, his base form doesn't stay the same as Superman, and doesn't require any Sun for him to be more powerful, the only thing he requires is to fight someone powerful for him to overcome his barriers.
There is no way for Superman to defeat Goku, and that last essenerio is totally unlikely to happen, neither Goku or Superman would destroy earth.
And Goku can easily destroy planets, which means his KameHa are very likely to kill Superman, and he has resist attacks that can blow up planets, so did Vegita did when fighting against Goku in there first battle, Vegita was also right, he can easily take Superman.
***** Mind manipulated by Satan? Really? That statement alone pretty much INVALIDATES your argument. You didn't even go to that video link that I provided, did you?
Nothing but a fantard. And like others such as Leo Leo and Mondavena, you did nothing more than embarrass yourself. I guess there's no point in debating any further with someone like that.
Hung Nguyen there is no way for Superman to beat Goku, the fact is Goku is by far beyond more stronger and More powerful, the misleading information was cause by not calculating incorrectly and inadequately, which was intentional, and yes the pedophile of Jose Santiago Herrera alias Satan teleported his neurological informacion and as a software inside the brain he created thoughts to manipulate people and seduce them to do wrong things, Satan is inside the mind of everyone
***** But superman can survive 15 supernovas, so I assume that he wouldn't even have a stratch from goku's Kamehameha also superman can destroy planets as well
Type in goku blows up a dimension it the first video
what you said about instant transmission is WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG because goku was trying to teleport to ANOTHER DIMENSION which is the only time goku needs to concentrate you and screwattack took gokus feat out of context goku HAS USED INSTANT TRANSMISSION in combat against cell twice he used it on MAJIN BUU , he and cooler had a fight while both used instant transmission simultaneously and has used it to dodge attacks
+JJoh4040 Isn't that Instantaneous movement
+TheSteelmushroom something different name
*****
+TheSteelmushroom say that again ya comment not showing up
***** Well forget about what I was going to say I just watch the episode where he used against cell and the narrator stated he used it but it seem to take time and I don't think he can spam against superman and also superman probably threw the power pole into space where Goku probably couldn't survive plus he still needs a energy signal to lock on
Lol tien could kill superman prime or whatever superman ultra, ultimate, ultra mega fruit power, extreme superman or some shit the drunk fuck writers can do in the future.
1:02:34 But Kirby can do It.
Also in Xenoverse Demigra destroys all the timelines that were destroyed, and Beerus considered Demigra inferior to himself, and Demigra feared Beerus, therefore escaping the probable ones. There may be attacks of Multiversal level already at similar levels. And since Xenoverse is the continuation of BOD that in the same author as the continuation of DBZ, the story is, as far as I'm concerned, canon.
Dragon Ball xenoverse. In Xenoverse, Goku can compete with types that have superior dimensional powers and can control all the spatial time in the multiverse, or even destroy the multiverse, including the dimension of time itself, and the size of the time space of the normal time space. Basically he is much stronger than Goku in DBS at the moment. Also in Xenverse was resistant to any type of ax thrown at him by demigra because he has ki, which includes, deformation of space, deformation of time, deformation of reality, manipulation of matter, mind control, possession, curses and many plus . So, yes, it is resistant or immune to most hax in Xenoverse.
As soon as Goku Top:
It is an interesting subject Goku with MUI even low ball is multiversal simply using the fact that he can destroy the macrocosm at the base by the RoF arc after absorbing the SSJG powers and then increasing his power. Only stack Kaioken X20 and the official 400X multiplier for SSJ3 we already take it to the multiversal power ranges, then we have all the zenkais, training, SSJG and SSJB, break limits in TOP through the Omen state, and finally, MUI buffs, which is a massive impulse.
Goku is Multiversal in terms of attack and durability with incomensurable speed / 4D.
The Multiversal law is definitely possible, Goku Base at the beginning of the ToP would already have more than 10x Universal, SSJ3 makes it 400 times stronger, so Start of ToP SSJ3 Goku would already have more than 4,000x Universal, some people believe that Blue is 50 times stronger than God, since the original name for Blue was SSJGSSJ, so if we say that SSJG is equal to SSJ3 during the ToP for any reason, that means that SSJ Blue Goku would still be 200,000x Universal at the beginning of the ToP , Goku had got MUCH closer to the end of the ToP, so much that Jiren had to go on to a level that Belmod has not seen in a long time to fight the regular Blue Goku, not even against 1st Trigger UI Omen Goku, what which means SSJ Blue Goku (Near the end of the ToP) UI Omen Goku (1st trigger).
Superman vs Goku:
Well, in regards to the battle, if it's in a literal comic, manga, anime, caricature, I agree 100%, it depends on the writer, and it would probably be a draw or close to him.
However, if we ignore the plot, which is essentially what it is, and we go for feats / statements / logical power climbing, real DBS Goku should beat all versions of Superman that came to mind, and weird weird and cosmic armor, then DBX Goku would probably be at the visitor level. Strange since both have 5D in power. The cosmic armor is above the form of Goku climbing, but CA is not really a superman, but it is a powerful one made by the monitors that Superman and Ultraman have within him, and Superman's consciousness simply controls it, as which says that Goku gets a Demonbane as a mech but still counts as Goku.
Realistically, the Superman Post crisis is consistently the level of the solar planetary system dependent on the writer and the writer, and Pre-Crisis was anywhere in the solar system to the multi-galaxy depending on the comic / writer.
Goku now consistently multi-universal based on the guys he fights, and regularly matches or exceeds in power, so I think only the cosmic armor does or the strange visitor would beat him, which is superman sword, but it's Goku it was already past Universal + After Of Get SSJG and the sword of Sueprman is Universe + I think Goku can even overcome it now. Before Top.
I' am a big fan of goku but i am saddly willing to admit that superman CAN beat goku and he will always be. superman was made up to be the strongest being ever so... sorry goku
Hey, even I like Goku a lot so it's all good. He just can't beat Superman and that's it. We can still enjoy watching Dragon Ball and read Superman comics so it's fine.
+dexos333333
*superman was made up to be the strongest being ever so.*
nope ,he was never made to be the strongest ,only fanboys and other screwattacktard (ohh wait they are fanboys too) wank him to be
the entire authors of superman specifically state that "he never had the unlimited power of specter"
"there are puzzles he can't solve, opponents he cant best,problems he can't outrun "
"it is due to his fallacies he isn't invulnerable"
i am a big fan of superman infact i had watched dragon ball only after second death battles.
i am saddly willing to admit superman will lose to goku and he will always be .
goku isn't the strongest fictional character and many can beat him,
but superman,flash,GL,hulk,thor,naruto,aizen,luffy etc aren't in than many
Vishnu Balaji They aren't fanboys of Superman. Boomstick aka Chad James has repeatedly stated he HATES Superman for being so OP. And Superman isn't really the strongest in the DC Universe. He's considered mid-tier with the POTENTIAL for unlimited power.
It's pretty obvious you only know Superman from the cartoons and movie adaptations and haven't read the comics. You know, the original source? There's no stated cap as to how much solar power he can absorb, how long he can absorb it or how high his power can climb. Every new form that Goku gets is a new limit he has to master and exceed. Otherwise they wouldn't call it Super Saiyan One, Two, God, etc. That is the point they were trying to get across.
If at max potential, say Superman gets an UNLIMITED Solar charge, then Goku will be the first to run out of gas. And considering how many billions of yellow and blue stars are in the Universe, that's basically the case.
Judging by the initial words in your comment, it's clear that you're angry Goku lost and your saying you are a fan of Superman is nothing but hypocrisy. Personally I like both characters and the outcome of this fight and the rematch doesn't change my opinion of either one. They're both great characters.
Death Battle is over. Time to move on.
*They aren't fanboys of Superman. Boomstick aka Chad James has repeatedly stated he HATES Superman for being so OP.*
i am not going to argue whether they were fanboys are not but i don know this that they are biased against anime or can you name one pure american character losing against pure anime character
also they did bad research on buu and gaara too not to mention goku
*It's pretty obvious you only know Superman from the cartoons and movie adaptations and haven't read the comics*
yes i read those comics and i know superman very well don't you dare judge me on this
* Every new form that Goku gets is a new limit he has to master and exceed. Otherwise they wouldn't call it Super Saiyan One, Two, God, etc. That is the point they were trying to get across.*
ohh really? toriyama himself has stated that ssj's power can keep increasing .
and also ssj's power multiplies his base
so max potential of ssj is max potentail of his base
and goku can also train to achieve infinite potential just like superman sundipps for infinite time
but there is a proble with superman here there are no infinite suns nor suns with infinite energy so it is superman whose limits become clear whereas goku can train even in after life and still keep his body
if at max potential superman gets infinite sunlight then goku gets infinite training too
*it's clear that you're angry Goku lost and your saying you are a fan of Superman is nothing but hypocrisy.*
judging by your replies you must be either blind or dumb or biased to believe screwattack 's reasoning "superman is limitless,goku has limits"
it is also clear that you have watched/read dragon ball but truely know nothing about it
*Personally I like both characters *
this is even more hypocrisy
*and the outcome of this fight and the rematch doesn't change my opinion of either one. They're both great characters.
Death Battle is over. *if you really were fans of both then you surely should know whether screwattack did their "research" correctly or not
*Time to move on.*
if you wanted to move one then why bother replying here
Hung Nguyen
Vishnu Balaji Gundam Epyon wins against the Tigerzord. Vegita defeats Shadow the Hedgehog. Hercule Satan beats Dan Hibiki for crying out loud! Where have you been all this time, living in a cave?
And nobody said that Superman had any cap to how high his powers could rise. Give me the issue which says that. And I don't want the scan that shows Superman against Doomsday, which he fought in 1997. He lifted the Book of Infinite pages in 2005!
And Toriyama has been writing pretty inconsistently and Goku even stated that SSJ3 WAS HIS LIMIT to Beerus before he knew of a new level or limit, namely SSJ GOD.
It's not hypocrisy to like more than one character. It IS hypocrisy to like both, but you badmouth one while giving the other all the benefits of the doubt. That's what your doing with Superman and Goku.
super man cant even fight like that superman cant hang to gouko actually they're just fan of superman i dont care about supernova shit even gouko is dead he able to come back to earth and fight superman dont do shit if they dead they dead forever that deathbattle show are fake dont watch it.
Just like all DBZ fantards, you're willing to give Goku the benefit of the doubt but not Superman. Who says he can't fight like that? All you're doing is basing your assessment on the cartoons and movies you've seen and not on the original source, the comics. Go look up Side-Scrollers Reaction to the video and you'll see just how much Chad James aka Broomstick, HATES Superman.
Well thats the truth superman dont have a chance to goku period
Or any DC univers shit.ill say wolverine can kill superman.
yellow flash minato Whine, whine, whine. Goku lost, twice. Get over it. And now you're just saying something else with someone totally different because you got no ammo to debate with. What's to stop Superman from tossing Wolverine into orbit? He still needs to breathe while Superman doesn't. Ooh, let's Heat Vision Wolverine's brain like he did with Goku. Wolverine lost against Raiden so he's got zero chance against Superman. Death Battle is over between Superman and Goku. Get over it and move on.
yellow flash minato Ooh, insults now? Don't have anything SMART to say in defense of precious Goku? Congratulations. You just showed everybody how pathetic and idiotic you are. Way to embarrass yourself.
this video is just as wrong as the death battle video.
And your just a fanboy
***** What are you talking about?? If you refer to the movie and cartoon version of superman ya goku would win but if you refer to the actually versions of superman he would smack goku.
***** That i only in anime lol do research it take 2 supernovas and thats about it and boku and stuff destroy galaxies by blowing up planets and majin buu had to do that and he's stronger than a super saying 3
+Sidar Erdem Newest and strongest? You mean New 52? He's not the strongest.
Please stop doing this, you are lame at this and it is clearly that you love Superman, and have no idea about the Dragon Ball universe
Nope your just a DBZ fan who knows nothing about superman
Goku lost, Superman won. If you don't agree then that's your problem. If you don't have any counter-arguments or anything substantial to say, then your comment is showing nothing but how butthurt you are.
Seems like you are too idiotic to offer a valuable comment so you put out this nonsense.
Typical