Great video, Dr. Sadler. Fanon's double language seems similar to something that comes out of sociolinguistics, reasons behind code switching depends on what the community chooses, how it responds to other communities. Different for Antilles as it is for other places during its colonial period and maybe also postcolonial period. I don't know if I understood you wrong but he also says this applies between cultures of the same region or country, right? People in my country, the Philippines, have mostly decided that English is a sign of superiority in communicating and creating ideas, after being an American commonwealth. Some of the intelligentsia nevertheless try to make Tagalog the intellectual lingua franca, as the sign of superiority, but it's so niche, and not to mention the tendency for other ethnic groups to resist Tagalog, preferring their own language or dialect or even English, e.g. Cebuanos would prefer to be more American and less Tagalog. Sometimes this dynamic reinforces uneven class relations. They term it Tagalog imperialism or even, specifically, Manila imperialism. I just mentioned this since area studies and especially language is more my area. Fanon had lots of insight about this, from what I've gotten so far, and at an earlier time too.
Some of that is true too from where I come from East Africa. There is division within the smallest community caused by how language is used. I being one of the youngest of the siblings of colonised parents had the advantage of being the very one whose wide range of exposure to other communities not from my own, thru school and also living in the city was seen by my family to be a little bit on the higher part of the hierarchy because of how I spoke, the languages I was able to speak being able to retell stories from the other communities told to me at school. I was admired due to this. I didn’t feel what they meant personally because I just who I was. That gave me a favourable treatment from both adults and kids even though I did not relate to it as such. So yes this way of using language can be seen as ladder to some height. In fact not a too long ago, I had an experience with my employer who said to me that she preferred to be the active one in the family in teaching the kids how to use the language because while both parents speak the same language there is a huge difference in how loosely or tightly one can be with it. One side demonstrates that one is a commoner and the other is class. Division instead of union?
is the phenomena of talking down to people seen when people talk slower and louder or try to talk in baby words to people they assume dont understand the language? for example, someone speaks to a native Spanish speaker using small words in English while also talking slowly. like "HOW....ARE....YOU....TODAY? YOU...DOING....BIEN?"
Professor are there 20th century thinkers that are broadly speaking exploring themes of language, race, colonialism, power structures and what not, but who are more nuanced or ambivalent in their value judgment (they mostly seem to all be hostile to whatever the "dominant" cultures are and be sympathetic to the "oppressed" ones) in evaluating the clashing of civilizations and cultures, or even view the phenomenon of certain cultures and languages be dominated by others as positive? I understand the global context of class struggle and national struggle that these thinkers all seem to align themselves with, but are there any thinkers that challenge the narrative that homogeneity of culture and language, at the cost of a reduction in human cultural diversity, is bad? Again, I understand the problems these thinkers were confronting, but I still have a hard time thinking I could somehow come to the conclusion that the world would have been a better place had Greek culture stayed in Greece and not "dominated" "native" cultures that surrounded it. There is such a thing as human progress and disparity in the quality of ideas.
Great video, Dr. Sadler. Fanon's double language seems similar to something that comes out of sociolinguistics, reasons behind code switching depends on what the community chooses, how it responds to other communities. Different for Antilles as it is for other places during its colonial period and maybe also postcolonial period. I don't know if I understood you wrong but he also says this applies between cultures of the same region or country, right? People in my country, the Philippines, have mostly decided that English is a sign of superiority in communicating and creating ideas, after being an American commonwealth. Some of the intelligentsia nevertheless try to make Tagalog the intellectual lingua franca, as the sign of superiority, but it's so niche, and not to mention the tendency for other ethnic groups to resist Tagalog, preferring their own language or dialect or even English, e.g. Cebuanos would prefer to be more American and less Tagalog. Sometimes this dynamic reinforces uneven class relations. They term it Tagalog imperialism or even, specifically, Manila imperialism. I just mentioned this since area studies and especially language is more my area. Fanon had lots of insight about this, from what I've gotten so far, and at an earlier time too.
Yes, this is not really a new idea or phenomenon
Some of that is true too from where I come from East Africa. There is division within the smallest community caused by how language is used. I being one of the youngest of the siblings of colonised parents had the advantage of being the very one whose wide range of exposure to other communities not from my own, thru school and also living in the city was seen by my family to be a little bit on the higher part of the hierarchy because of how I spoke, the languages I was able to speak being able to retell stories from the other communities told to me at school. I was admired due to this. I didn’t feel what they meant personally because I just who I was. That gave me a favourable treatment from both adults and kids even though I did not relate to it as such. So yes this way of using language can be seen as ladder to some height. In fact not a too long ago, I had an experience with my employer who said to me that she preferred to be the active one in the family in teaching the kids how to use the language because while both parents speak the same language there is a huge difference in how loosely or tightly one can be with it. One side demonstrates that one is a commoner and the other is class. Division instead of union?
Is it about semiology and phiiologie ?
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is the phenomena of talking down to people seen when people talk slower and louder or try to talk in baby words to people they assume dont understand the language? for example, someone speaks to a native Spanish speaker using small words in English while also talking slowly. like "HOW....ARE....YOU....TODAY? YOU...DOING....BIEN?"
Sure. Happens in all sorts of cases
Please read Frank Wilderson! Red White and Black
Love the authors you discuss lately
Glad you're enjoying them
Thank you so much!! Really helpful, very much appreciated
You're very welcome!
Professor are there 20th century thinkers that are broadly speaking exploring themes of language, race, colonialism, power structures and what not, but who are more nuanced or ambivalent in their value judgment (they mostly seem to all be hostile to whatever the "dominant" cultures are and be sympathetic to the "oppressed" ones) in evaluating the clashing of civilizations and cultures, or even view the phenomenon of certain cultures and languages be dominated by others as positive? I understand the global context of class struggle and national struggle that these thinkers all seem to align themselves with, but are there any thinkers that challenge the narrative that homogeneity of culture and language, at the cost of a reduction in human cultural diversity, is bad? Again, I understand the problems these thinkers were confronting, but I still have a hard time thinking I could somehow come to the conclusion that the world would have been a better place had Greek culture stayed in Greece and not "dominated" "native" cultures that surrounded it. There is such a thing as human progress and disparity in the quality of ideas.
You're misreading Fanon, I'd expect, if that's your main question.
@@GregoryBSadler My bad.
Look at you trying to avoid some self awareness lol
Thanks so much, Greg. Merry Christmas from me & happy new year to you.
And to you and yours!