As a person play since 2022, took me 1 year to get los 30 on NAE, unlike other people who oppose it, I still say we should give free los 30 to newbie. This will angry a lot of people but the reality is that card set give too much damage. At the very least give free los 24 right away with a method to get los 30 within 3 months.
For the ppl saying “free los 30 is just gonna make gatekeep move to something else”, its already happening. My 1620 nights edge SE gets gk sometimes due to lower demon dmg or gems (i have 3.2% and 3 9s). If anything it will remove the hardest one being the card set since most of it comes down to rng anyways (took me 1.5y to get my 30 set doing all my card runs), rng is the biggest issue, gems and bonus dmg can easily be grinded in comparison.
The only reason I care about cards is that its a straight, permanent and unconditional (for the most part) damage boost that helps all characters. If they dont give los30 they could at the very least make so that we can farm one of each card weekly. I expect them to give a shit ton of los or los30 on ignite server. There is the dark damage set now, the cards sales will be impacted but people that bought packs for los will also buy the dark damage set
I think they should increase card drops from all the popular content + need to increase roster xp from raids or create roster xp potions to craft or buy. Because right now the passes are more meaningless than useful cuz no matter what ilevel u are u will get gatekept because u dont have los 30 or high roster... For veteran players here is the question: do u want more players to play the game or do u want players to quit and wait for amazon to announce about closing the west servers because of lack of players? If players will demand more free stuff SG can just ignore or say no just like they do with cards. And about the card packs sales, its a tough question cuz whales exists and they can cover SG or the sales can drop because of the player drop count in the game. We dont know how it can turn out... Just saying its my personal opinion so... yea!!
Ofc give it already its just unplayable for new players too many stuff to grind and they still have to do some wierd time gated card set collection for months before they actually become human dps? It's not only LOS30, what about 6% demon/beast dmg that differs them from roster 300 players? They can grind/p2w honing/gems in a short time but those cards and roster level? Just pain in the ass and u will never catch up. Ever
@@NoEditAndy Iam not talking about gatekeeping at the 1st place... U just straight up useless with los18 and 0 demon damage nowadays its already 13% damage lose considering u have everything else good. They need elixir 80 or gems level 12 to make up for this and be just average dps xdd
for free idk. but for sure they need to improve the way we get those cards specially for new players. 1 year + to get it is not healthy. I took almost 2 years to get mines. RIP
at start of t4 i will even give all ppl lvl 9 bound gems idc we will need t4 there but for older content that we wont do anymore at t3 it will be easier for new to play
At this point of the game just give it for free or make it easy to grind in a few months, i spent 100s in card packs back in the day when you didnt need los 30 to play the game and now it's pretty much mandatory
I have mixed feelings about giving away LOS 30 for free. I myself had to grind for it 2-4 months by running normal abyss on 7 characters per week, but at the same time I can see how much time it can take for new player getting in esp if they dont play consistently. You mention support engraving. I didn't really mind giving it away for free, because I myself got something out of it - better specs for my supports and chaos builds on all of my characters - same with free lvl 7 gems. In my opinion, the least "painful" way would be to give it to everyone and ppl who already have LOS 30 just get the exp back (and get new selectors/leg packs for T4 where they can get an alternative set). - This would benefit new players and vets as well - Only down side that this could lead to is another gatekeep with new set... but that will probably happen anyway... - smilegate 2024 Edit: In general, I think any major nerfs to the game are good, but those nerfs need to benefit vets as well, just to silent majority- throw a skin or some kind of small reward - "throw a bones to the dogs"
los30 shouldn't been free, easy to get yes whatever, but the idea of card system is to give power boost from horizontal aspect of the game. what worst and need to be changed is player behavior who gatekeep a damn 1620 with elixir35/40 set and lvl 10/9 gems for not having los30 at akkan hm/ivory nm lobbies and rather take 1581/1600 event gems with los30, it just insane how the community treats this card system as number one reason to gatekeep. hide card set or just completely delete it. the community is dumb enough to completely forget that they had card set, they can't even calculate how dmg dealt done.
Bro i have los 30 my alt still got gate keep at 1620 cuz i dont have demon 6.20 / 3 levlel 10 dmg gem /3 lvl 9 dmg gem i only can afford one lvl9 dmg gem
As a day 1 player I feel like I've already reaped the rewards of obtaining los30 early on. The card system is complete ass to begin with so at this point just give it out to everyone. I really want the community to grow and this is would help to get new comers to stick around.
As a player that got over 8000 hours in lost ark i understand why cards was so hard to get during the times of tier 1, 2 and the behining of tier 3. But today we got way to much progression for a new player. Level to 60, grind skillpoints, fixing runes, getting card sets, elixir, trancendance, advance honing, roster level. Its way to much stuff that a new player have to go through before they can raid.
Give los30 to everyone but it wont solve anything. There are only 2 solutions that can save this game. They should full commit to solo mode meaning every raid should have solo mode or easy mode for all raids where you can clear them just by having ilvl and rolling your face on keyboard. Giving free stuff just means shifting gatekeeping goalposts, just need a mode where you cant fail making gatekeeping obselete
Why would someone as a new player to a game would want to either play for 1 year or pay to catch up everyone understands it's a bussiness however where's the fun in the game... It just becomes a senseless grind on top of another grind. And giving away the set? where's the fun in that... Things should just be easier to get over time that's what every other game out there does a game without players or new players for that fact is just dead and i don't believe any company would like that.
my take is that if they decide do give out los30 to players or even los24, I think they wont provide it already awakened or provide the XP so players would still have to do something. Idk I farmed it pretty early and as someone said here I feel like I already reaped the rewards of having it earlier.
In my opinion they should put all LOS cards except kadan in the merchant rotation. Also increase their spawn chance by a lot. Giving LOS 30 for free will only make people who care about their achievement being diminished mad but also will have no effect to new players because nowdays los 30 is a given and people gatekeep other things anyway. (Personally if you ask me i don't really care if they gave it out for free im of the opinion that the card system doo doo)
I dont mind the card grind as I'm not too far away from LoS 30 as a returning player who quit after Clown. Apart of that though is coming back with the intent to only do solo content which I'm thoroughly enjoying so my only hope is they continue updating solo content even if we are a couple raids behind the highest content.
I think it’s a tough spot for SG and AGS, but by all means the solution is to make it easier to attain LOS 30, while not making it tooooo easy since it’s supposed to be the best card set in the game. Things like increase legendary card set drop rate, increase the number of of selection packs given out either in the daily login, quests, collectibles, ark passes, and supermokoko express rewards. Also making more cards available at the wandering or stronghold merchants would be great. So like instead of taking one year, let it take a couple of months max, which will preserve its prestige, but also make it more new players friendly. It’s like how much profit would you make with the current system vs. losing some on the profit margin, but getting more players consuming the product, which I think the latter would most likely yield SG and AGS more profit on the long run.
Imo they should add a temporary LoS30/LWC30/KLC30 with the express events and also make a fair distribution of the dmg One of the main sources to farm leg card packs is adv islands but the chances to get one pack is 1-100 and i know this because i farmed it for months until a point where i was getting so many doubles xd so this thing needs a buff 100% Mari shop helps too but its a gold sink and the rc bundle is the best but it costs real money I disagree with LoS30 being necessary , 18 yes but 30 idk man, people didnt gatekeep you because of that when clown or brel came out. I think people gatekeep based on this because its gives you a 100% sign that this player is or isnt old/exp/vet 8% dmg is good to have but its not gonna define if one player is good or bad and id rather have a in game dps meter like china and see if this guy actually performs well or not before gatekeeping it because he hasnt played 1 or 2 years
Temporary ones is an interesting concept for sure. LOS 30 is definitely necessary (atleast based on my PUG experience). 8% damage is significant. (You can think of 1% increase as a solid 100-150k gold)
I think they should just increase the drop rates of the cards or make them easier to get. If everyone got LOS 30, it makes it easier, however I believe vets would just pivot to another option for gatekeeping. Roster, gems, demon damage, title etc. LOS 30 shows some level of dedication to the grind of the game. I’m honestly not sure on this one, but it definitely needs to be easier to get and not take a year or so.
I would say give everyone Los 18 out card packs in the solo vendor and if they want card pack sales put selectors as a bonus when you buy certain amount
They just need a system that eliminates duplicates of a card you have maxed out. that way a card you receive will automatically go to a card that you need to complete.
This would really help a lot. Just yesterday, I picked up 3 random legendary card packs, and all 3 of them had Balthor, which I've had for a long time.
It's going to be great feeling when you get that los 30, i still remember the day I got it! But I guess it was more like a "its over" feeling rather than happiness XD
@@NoEditAndy demon dmg is a time gated system, almost all system in mmorpg are time gated, thats the point of an mmorpg. i agree its a lot of time, maybe would be better they give another card set similar to los 30 like a 3% dmg diff, so los30 still be bis but no a huge of a difference that would be more fair for new and old players
I start out the game with artist so i save up all of the selector for lwc set. Later on i make an dps alt and there is no way for me to get los 30 anytime soon. I'm so fucked now, my dps keep getting gate keep
@@NoEditAndy I learn from the experience and only making support alts after that. At least my others sup are getting accepted at i-lv but my DPS is rough
Cards are such an archaic system with the set bonuses. Even if they don't want to give free LOS 30, they could at least reduce LOS 30 to LOS 24 or something. Getting the max damage from LOS 24 would still keep it "rewarding," but would make it a lot easier for new players to get that full bonus. Personally, I wish they'd just get rid of card set bonuses or give them for just acquiring the cards in the set. Too many vertical systems in the game and at this point everything is balanced around ilvl and LOS 30/LWC 30 Also, the people who want everyone else to struggle just because they did are stupid. Because let's be honest. With LOS gatekeep gone, the gatekeepers will just start gatekeeping demon damage, beast damage etc. So there'd still be something vets can gatekeep if it was really a big deal.
as you say you got it later and thing about this game not even that devs abusing rng to force ppl fomo or spend on the game to get rid off gatekeeping but difference in min and max luck its not like gacha where you can get thing with 4x cost for example in lost ark it may take you x50 cost if you compare luckiest vs unluckiest guy so about question i personally dont care about if person have los or not cos i can check dps and kick person if hes doing bad and guys with full 10 97 stone that doing less then one of my chars with event gems is a thing in the game too but at the same time they not been gatekeeped simply how gatekeeping works in the game so about los 30 i would say they should add all cards to trade merchants and this would be already ok not just giving all the cards for free but person still should put some effort into game
As a veteran with 6k H+ let's be real, they wont give free los30 even tho' i'm here to fully support the decision... I'd suggest either give a f'ckin good deal on los30 for newbies, like 40euro, its literally the middle ground, they get more money since ppls who cant afford 1k eur would buy themself in aswell, they could even start fucking marketing t4 with this, or even better, make a learning curve and the moment u complete all raid deathless hard with ilvl(or close to ilvl but then bussing is a problem) chars untill tower, u get your los24, let them work from there, bam would be a huge W to a dying game.
Cards definitely need to be easier. I've noted the cards I've gotten since I finished Los 30 half a year ago.... and yea, barely any los ones. If I never used the selector packs and relied on random drops, it would just be ridicilous. I think it's fair to just hand new players out a bunch of selectors that veteran players would have gotten access to over time (and many came for free, so there should be no boomer bitching.) And they should also hand out some random packs that are only los/lwc cards; none of that weak fledging shit; nobody cares about deep dive anymore. Wandering merchants should also sell random card packs relevant to their region in addition to selling LOS cards much like the "rule" card packs from Voldis and Eglacia. Oh yea, I guess we should sell all lwc/los cards at the merchants but that goes without saying. Oh yea, the challenge abyssal card packs suck; they should drop legendaries too. I'd also downgrade some cards down to epic; why the fuck is Weakened Kakul even a thing (yea, I know beast damage, but still, doesn't have to be legendary). I probably could max that twice over. I did hear in KR they are going to have LOS 24 and stuff but I think the greatest problem is that people just don't want to play with new players. So they look for any sign that you haven't been around long enough (Roster, cards, titles) because raids are too punishing and one person can screw the raid. Plus with a shrinking player base, the likelihood of sweatier players and less sweater places clashing increases, and new players just get screwed. I really don't know. This game chose to only invest in the hardcore difficult raids so that just means if you're not one, you just get left out. The worst things I've read are basically "If you don't like raiding, then this game is not for you". I mean I get that, but just because someone doesn't like Echinida doesn't mean they don't like raiding. And just because someone doesn't want to do the same raid every week, sometimes multiple times a week, doesn't mean they hate raiding either. But basically you must do every new raid that comes out and you must do it a lot, and you must do it a lot without making any mistakes, or well... goodbye. You get gatekept because it's been a month, how dare you not have mastered everything about the raid? Unfortunately, there are just too many of the remaining players (as you called them, boomers) that already have what they need, so they don't care about other players and just give these useless platitudes that sound nice but does nothing. And it would seem in KR these are the most vocal, which is why we got nonsense like Ivory Tower hard being 1620 and being required, and now gatekeeping is a clusterfuck that involves reading the multiple pages of text that's on every piece of armor now. Incidentally more "normal" people seem to have interacted with these systems like elixirs and transcendence a bit more and learned to despise it like we have so we're getting changes. And then it seems like China's Tencent saw 1620 Ivory Tower being dumb and worked to change it already like anyone with half a brain would realize.
i mean they can always hide card set and collection from the lost ark profille. instead of removing it or giving it free. sure we can't do the same hiding every BS system they put in like elixir, trans, that would be too much party damage "unknown" and at some point people need the ability to inspect you. i understand that. But for this one system? i don't think iz that big of deal if you make card private. i don't think the reason you fail a raid is because some people lack card and sneak inside your raid. that ofc assuming they don't have the intention of releasing another cringe raid like echidna hard dps check or thaemine. So maybe lession learned lost ark? don't release raid that are on the edge of the dps check? give some/more leeway? as always the solution are here and often very simple. we like to make it complex but in reality is all about them not wanting to try stuff like hiding the card set. (Not even trying to then revert it next patch if people don't like card hide) because again is all intended. they want you to feel the gatekeep unless u meet the p2w standard imposed by the community. but is not their fault right? clearly this game is not making leverage of the human mind psychology to double down on these "problems" to make you spend. nono. that's tin foil hat theory! poor dev what they can do.... if people gatekeep for a kayangel normal with dark card set.. is not their faultttttttt they can't just hide the card set!1!! what about the dps check then :O
I guess I don't really make parties often, but I don't check cards when I do tbh. So many other systems these days a few other things get check first I th8nk, but everyone's different I guess.
Problem with so many power systems is it locks out new people; you have to give these systems to new people or expedite them as you release new ones. Plus the raids are almost designed around the card set because you need the damage. Again SG painted themselves into a corner.
They should add all the cards in the game in the merchants shop not just LOS cards, hell even bring more merchants in at the same time if they want to keep the RNG.
As someone with KLC30, LWC30 and LOS30. I say the best compromise is to just give LOS18. But, if they want to give LOS30, I don’t give a fook. It don’t affect me either way. M. NIGHT Shyamalanananan
Bro I have spent a thousand of EUR (I am a new player) to get LOS 30, I am almost there.If they will suddenly give it away to everyone, that would be an upset for all those who a putting so much work and resources and are almost there
I think their best bet would be to change the 30 awakening on deep dive to convert 50% damage to holy damage. Some people will still gatekeep, but some will accept people with deep dive as good enough. And people who did the grind for los30 won't be mad
Interesting idea but some people are just sticklers for the "LOS 30" card set. If you have deep dive and it's nearly same as LOS 30, some people will still gatekeep
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They should make all legg cards avaible in the ingame merchants.
would be a sweet idea
this is a good idea
As a person play since 2022, took me 1 year to get los 30 on NAE, unlike other people who oppose it, I still say we should give free los 30 to newbie. This will angry a lot of people but the reality is that card set give too much damage. At the very least give free los 24 right away with a method to get los 30 within 3 months.
Many people are agreeing with this where it should be much easier to obtain!
For the ppl saying “free los 30 is just gonna make gatekeep move to something else”, its already happening.
My 1620 nights edge SE gets gk sometimes due to lower demon dmg or gems (i have 3.2% and 3 9s).
If anything it will remove the hardest one being the card set since most of it comes down to rng anyways (took me 1.5y to get my 30 set doing all my card runs), rng is the biggest issue, gems and bonus dmg can easily be grinded in comparison.
true, gatekeeping will always exist so might as well remove the most difficult time-gated one!
The only reason I care about cards is that its a straight, permanent and unconditional (for the most part) damage boost that helps all characters. If they dont give los30 they could at the very least make so that we can farm one of each card weekly. I expect them to give a shit ton of los or los30 on ignite server. There is the dark damage set now, the cards sales will be impacted but people that bought packs for los will also buy the dark damage set
i grind every set in the game since day 1 but idc if they give all new players cards we just need more players
I think they should increase card drops from all the popular content + need to increase roster xp from raids or create roster xp potions to craft or buy. Because right now the passes are more meaningless than useful cuz no matter what ilevel u are u will get gatekept because u dont have los 30 or high roster...
For veteran players here is the question: do u want more players to play the game or do u want players to quit and wait for amazon to announce about closing the west servers because of lack of players?
If players will demand more free stuff SG can just ignore or say no just like they do with cards.
And about the card packs sales, its a tough question cuz whales exists and they can cover SG or the sales can drop because of the player drop count in the game. We dont know how it can turn out...
Just saying its my personal opinion so... yea!!
True, roster exp is so slowww
Ofc give it already its just unplayable for new players too many stuff to grind and they still have to do some wierd time gated card set collection for months before they actually become human dps?
It's not only LOS30, what about 6% demon/beast dmg that differs them from roster 300 players? They can grind/p2w honing/gems in a short time but those cards and roster level? Just pain in the ass and u will never catch up. Ever
True, with people gatekeeping on demon damage, it makes it even harder for new and returning players and some veterans to keep up
@@NoEditAndy Iam not talking about gatekeeping at the 1st place... U just straight up useless with los18 and 0 demon damage nowadays its already 13% damage lose considering u have everything else good. They need elixir 80 or gems level 12 to make up for this and be just average dps xdd
for free idk. but for sure they need to improve the way we get those cards specially for new players. 1 year + to get it is not healthy. I took almost 2 years to get mines. RIP
2 years holyyyy, kudos to you for having the patience for that!
at start of t4 i will even give all ppl lvl 9 bound gems idc we will need t4 there but for older content that we wont do anymore at t3 it will be easier for new to play
At this point of the game just give it for free or make it easy to grind in a few months, i spent 100s in card packs back in the day when you didnt need los 30 to play the game and now it's pretty much mandatory
I'm glad that even though you spent money, you believe others shouldn't have to pay the same amount!
pls no, just finished my los 30 today, what a pain
I have mixed feelings about giving away LOS 30 for free. I myself had to grind for it 2-4 months by running normal abyss on 7 characters per week, but at the same time I can see how much time it can take for new player getting in esp if they dont play consistently.
You mention support engraving. I didn't really mind giving it away for free, because I myself got something out of it - better specs for my supports and chaos builds on all of my characters - same with free lvl 7 gems.
In my opinion, the least "painful" way would be to give it to everyone and ppl who already have LOS 30 just get the exp back (and get new selectors/leg packs for T4 where they can get an alternative set). - This would benefit new players and vets as well - Only down side that this could lead to is another gatekeep with new set... but that will probably happen anyway... - smilegate 2024
Edit:
In general, I think any major nerfs to the game are good, but those nerfs need to benefit vets as well, just to silent majority- throw a skin or some kind of small reward - "throw a bones to the dogs"
i think we might get something like los30 or a easier way to obtain it when the new card sets drops
Oh brother, another card set to save up for
@@NoEditAndy new set for every element, smallgate max dentge
los30 shouldn't been free, easy to get yes whatever, but the idea of card system is to give power boost from horizontal aspect of the game. what worst and need to be changed is player behavior who gatekeep a damn 1620 with elixir35/40 set and lvl 10/9 gems for not having los30 at akkan hm/ivory nm lobbies and rather take 1581/1600 event gems with los30, it just insane how the community treats this card system as number one reason to gatekeep.
hide card set or just completely delete it. the community is dumb enough to completely forget that they had card set, they can't even calculate how dmg dealt done.
Bro i have los 30 my alt still got gate keep at 1620 cuz i dont have demon 6.20 / 3 levlel 10 dmg gem /3 lvl 9 dmg gem i only can afford one lvl9 dmg gem
yep, still a lot more things to gatekeep on
As a day 1 player I feel like I've already reaped the rewards of obtaining los30 early on. The card system is complete ass to begin with so at this point just give it out to everyone. I really want the community to grow and this is would help to get new comers to stick around.
An honorable attitude! I salute you!
As a player that got over 8000 hours in lost ark i understand why cards was so hard to get during the times of tier 1, 2 and the behining of tier 3. But today we got way to much progression for a new player.
Level to 60, grind skillpoints, fixing runes, getting card sets, elixir, trancendance, advance honing, roster level. Its way to much stuff that a new player have to go through before they can raid.
This week I got 10 legendary card packs, I got 0 LoS or LwC, this system is trash got the same cards over and over again.
Give los30 to everyone but it wont solve anything. There are only 2 solutions that can save this game. They should full commit to solo mode meaning every raid should have solo mode or easy mode for all raids where you can clear them just by having ilvl and rolling your face on keyboard. Giving free stuff just means shifting gatekeeping goalposts, just need a mode where you cant fail making gatekeeping obselete
Why would someone as a new player to a game would want to either play for 1 year or pay to catch up everyone understands it's a bussiness however where's the fun in the game... It just becomes a senseless grind on top of another grind. And giving away the set? where's the fun in that... Things should just be easier to get over time that's what every other game out there does a game without players or new players for that fact is just dead and i don't believe any company would like that.
my take is that if they decide do give out los30 to players or even los24, I think they wont provide it already awakened or provide the XP so players would still have to do something. Idk
I farmed it pretty early and as someone said here I feel like I already reaped the rewards of having it earlier.
In my opinion they should put all LOS cards except kadan in the merchant rotation.
Also increase their spawn chance by a lot.
Giving LOS 30 for free will only make people who care about their achievement being diminished mad
but also will have no effect to new players because nowdays los 30 is a given and people gatekeep other things anyway.
(Personally if you ask me i don't really care if they gave it out for free im of the opinion that the card system doo doo)
Not just LOS cards but they should add all the cards in the game to the merchants.
I dont mind the card grind as I'm not too far away from LoS 30 as a returning player who quit after Clown. Apart of that though is coming back with the intent to only do solo content which I'm thoroughly enjoying so my only hope is they continue updating solo content even if we are a couple raids behind the highest content.
I think it’s a tough spot for SG and AGS, but by all means the solution is to make it easier to attain LOS 30, while not making it tooooo easy since it’s supposed to be the best card set in the game. Things like increase legendary card set drop rate, increase the number of of selection packs given out either in the daily login, quests, collectibles, ark passes, and supermokoko express rewards. Also making more cards available at the wandering or stronghold merchants would be great. So like instead of taking one year, let it take a couple of months max, which will preserve its prestige, but also make it more new players friendly. It’s like how much profit would you make with the current system vs. losing some on the profit margin, but getting more players consuming the product, which I think the latter would most likely yield SG and AGS more profit on the long run.
very well said. Many things to consider
sure give em i dont mind but if they dont learn raid it waht ever anyway they will int card yes or no :D
Imo they should add a temporary LoS30/LWC30/KLC30 with the express events and also make a fair distribution of the dmg
One of the main sources to farm leg card packs is adv islands but the chances to get one pack is 1-100 and i know this because i farmed it for months until a point where i was getting so many doubles xd so this thing needs a buff 100%
Mari shop helps too but its a gold sink and the rc bundle is the best but it costs real money
I disagree with LoS30 being necessary , 18 yes but 30 idk man, people didnt gatekeep you because of that when clown or brel came out. I think people gatekeep based on this because its gives you a 100% sign that this player is or isnt old/exp/vet
8% dmg is good to have but its not gonna define if one player is good or bad and id rather have a in game dps meter like china and see if this guy actually performs well or not before gatekeeping it because he hasnt played 1 or 2 years
Temporary ones is an interesting concept for sure. LOS 30 is definitely necessary (atleast based on my PUG experience). 8% damage is significant. (You can think of 1% increase as a solid 100-150k gold)
I think they should just increase the drop rates of the cards or make them easier to get. If everyone got LOS 30, it makes it easier, however I believe vets would just pivot to another option for gatekeeping. Roster, gems, demon damage, title etc. LOS 30 shows some level of dedication to the grind of the game. I’m honestly not sure on this one, but it definitely needs to be easier to get and not take a year or so.
Yes, a year is way too long. Need a more happy medium
I would say give everyone Los 18 out card packs in the solo vendor and if they want card pack sales put selectors as a bonus when you buy certain amount
not a bad idea. AGS should be reading all these comments and taking notes
They just need a system that eliminates duplicates of a card you have maxed out. that way a card you receive will automatically go to a card that you need to complete.
This would really help a lot. Just yesterday, I picked up 3 random legendary card packs, and all 3 of them had Balthor, which I've had for a long time.
I started really playing with vykas release and still only have LOS 26
It's going to be great feeling when you get that los 30, i still remember the day I got it! But I guess it was more like a "its over" feeling rather than happiness XD
if everyone had los30, they would gatekeep on something else...
Dont have 6% demon damage? Decline 😂
Yep, there's always the next thing but atleast it won't be because of a time gated system!
So u see it not about if u have los30 or not, it about gatekeeping u
@@NoEditAndy demon dmg is a time gated system, almost all system in mmorpg are time gated, thats the point of an mmorpg. i agree its a lot of time, maybe would be better they give another card set similar to los 30 like a 3% dmg diff, so los30 still be bis but no a huge of a difference that would be more fair for new and old players
I start out the game with artist so i save up all of the selector for lwc set. Later on i make an dps alt and there is no way for me to get los 30 anytime soon. I'm so fucked now, my dps keep getting gate keep
oof, im so sorry to hear that. Yea... this is another angle to consider: The support mains!
@@NoEditAndy I learn from the experience and only making support alts after that. At least my others sup are getting accepted at i-lv but my DPS is rough
They should also merchant the LWC legendaries too tbh
My support main friend would love this. Good idea!
Cards are such an archaic system with the set bonuses. Even if they don't want to give free LOS 30, they could at least reduce LOS 30 to LOS 24 or something. Getting the max damage from LOS 24 would still keep it "rewarding," but would make it a lot easier for new players to get that full bonus.
Personally, I wish they'd just get rid of card set bonuses or give them for just acquiring the cards in the set. Too many vertical systems in the game and at this point everything is balanced around ilvl and LOS 30/LWC 30
Also, the people who want everyone else to struggle just because they did are stupid. Because let's be honest. With LOS gatekeep gone, the gatekeepers will just start gatekeeping demon damage, beast damage etc. So there'd still be something vets can gatekeep if it was really a big deal.
I think los 18 they could give
Los 18 to start off their journey - not bad
as you say you got it later and thing about this game not even that devs abusing rng to force ppl fomo or spend on the game to get rid off gatekeeping but difference in min and max luck
its not like gacha where you can get thing with 4x cost for example in lost ark it may take you x50 cost if you compare luckiest vs unluckiest guy
so about question i personally dont care about if person have los or not cos i can check dps and kick person if hes doing bad and guys with full 10 97 stone that doing less then one of my chars with event gems is a thing in the game too
but at the same time they not been gatekeeped simply how gatekeeping works in the game
so about los 30 i would say they should add all cards to trade merchants and this would be already ok
not just giving all the cards for free but person still should put some effort into game
As a veteran with 6k H+ let's be real, they wont give free los30 even tho' i'm here to fully support the decision... I'd suggest either give a f'ckin good deal on los30 for newbies, like 40euro, its literally the middle ground, they get more money since ppls who cant afford 1k eur would buy themself in aswell, they could even start fucking marketing t4 with this, or even better, make a learning curve and the moment u complete all raid deathless hard with ilvl(or close to ilvl but then bussing is a problem) chars untill tower, u get your los24, let them work from there, bam would be a huge W to a dying game.
Cards definitely need to be easier. I've noted the cards I've gotten since I finished Los 30 half a year ago.... and yea, barely any los ones. If I never used the selector packs and relied on random drops, it would just be ridicilous.
I think it's fair to just hand new players out a bunch of selectors that veteran players would have gotten access to over time (and many came for free, so there should be no boomer bitching.) And they should also hand out some random packs that are only los/lwc cards; none of that weak fledging shit; nobody cares about deep dive anymore. Wandering merchants should also sell random card packs relevant to their region in addition to selling LOS cards much like the "rule" card packs from Voldis and Eglacia. Oh yea, I guess we should sell all lwc/los cards at the merchants but that goes without saying.
Oh yea, the challenge abyssal card packs suck; they should drop legendaries too.
I'd also downgrade some cards down to epic; why the fuck is Weakened Kakul even a thing (yea, I know beast damage, but still, doesn't have to be legendary). I probably could max that twice over.
I did hear in KR they are going to have LOS 24 and stuff but I think the greatest problem is that people just don't want to play with new players. So they look for any sign that you haven't been around long enough (Roster, cards, titles) because raids are too punishing and one person can screw the raid. Plus with a shrinking player base, the likelihood of sweatier players and less sweater places clashing increases, and new players just get screwed.
I really don't know. This game chose to only invest in the hardcore difficult raids so that just means if you're not one, you just get left out. The worst things I've read are basically "If you don't like raiding, then this game is not for you". I mean I get that, but just because someone doesn't like Echinida doesn't mean they don't like raiding. And just because someone doesn't want to do the same raid every week, sometimes multiple times a week, doesn't mean they hate raiding either. But basically you must do every new raid that comes out and you must do it a lot, and you must do it a lot without making any mistakes, or well... goodbye. You get gatekept because it's been a month, how dare you not have mastered everything about the raid?
Unfortunately, there are just too many of the remaining players (as you called them, boomers) that already have what they need, so they don't care about other players and just give these useless platitudes that sound nice but does nothing. And it would seem in KR these are the most vocal, which is why we got nonsense like Ivory Tower hard being 1620 and being required, and now gatekeeping is a clusterfuck that involves reading the multiple pages of text that's on every piece of armor now. Incidentally more "normal" people seem to have interacted with these systems like elixirs and transcendence a bit more and learned to despise it like we have so we're getting changes. And then it seems like China's Tencent saw 1620 Ivory Tower being dumb and worked to change it already like anyone with half a brain would realize.
i mean they can always hide card set and collection from the lost ark profille. instead of removing it or giving it free.
sure we can't do the same hiding every BS system they put in like elixir, trans,
that would be too much party damage "unknown" and at some point people need the ability to inspect you. i understand that.
But for this one system? i don't think iz that big of deal if you make card private.
i don't think the reason you fail a raid is because some people lack card and sneak inside your raid.
that ofc assuming they don't have the intention of releasing another cringe raid like echidna hard dps check or thaemine.
So maybe lession learned lost ark? don't release raid that are on the edge of the dps check? give some/more leeway?
as always the solution are here and often very simple.
we like to make it complex but in reality is all about them not wanting to try stuff like hiding the card set. (Not even trying to then revert it next patch if people don't like card hide)
because again is all intended. they want you to feel the gatekeep unless u meet the p2w standard imposed by the community. but is not their fault right?
clearly this game is not making leverage of the human mind psychology to double down on these "problems" to make you spend. nono. that's tin foil hat theory!
poor dev what they can do.... if people gatekeep for a kayangel normal with dark card set.. is not their faultttttttt
they can't just hide the card set!1!! what about the dps check then :O
I guess I don't really make parties often, but I don't check cards when I do tbh. So many other systems these days a few other things get check first I th8nk, but everyone's different I guess.
Problem with so many power systems is it locks out new people; you have to give these systems to new people or expedite them as you release new ones.
Plus the raids are almost designed around the card set because you need the damage. Again SG painted themselves into a corner.
They should add all the cards in the game in the merchants shop not just LOS cards, hell even bring more merchants in at the same time if they want to keep the RNG.
As a person with 9323203820842310984329840284092 hours I say give them cards :3
DUDE WE ALL NEED THAT SHIT LOS 30 FOR FREE FR or at least all the LOS cards was on the merchants
As someone with KLC30, LWC30 and LOS30. I say the best compromise is to just give LOS18. But, if they want to give LOS30, I don’t give a fook. It don’t affect me either way. M. NIGHT Shyamalanananan
what a nightly opinion my good sir
Oh but yes let everyone easily get los 30 please
Bro I have spent a thousand of EUR (I am a new player) to get LOS 30, I am almost there.If they will suddenly give it away to everyone, that would be an upset for all those who a putting so much work and resources and are almost there
So, you know the struggles of the card set but you want to gatekeep those who can't afford a thousand EUR?
@@NoEditAndy I don't want to gatekeep whatsoever, I just want to do more damage because this is what game is about
I think their best bet would be to change the 30 awakening on deep dive to convert 50% damage to holy damage. Some people will still gatekeep, but some will accept people with deep dive as good enough. And people who did the grind for los30 won't be mad
Interesting idea but some people are just sticklers for the "LOS 30" card set. If you have deep dive and it's nearly same as LOS 30, some people will still gatekeep
how to join party in legion raid inferno?
wrong video for this comment xd but you need to switch tabs to Inferno from the legion raid UI. You can see it on the right side