I would say that's only true of the "influencers." With the introduction of TSS, you're seeing a lot more hunters gravitating to the .410. The bigger issue is, lead shot has been broadly banned for bird hunting, and steel shot in the .410 simply isn't effective. So when it comes to hunting with the .410, the choice is essentially bismuth or TSS, both of which are more expensive than steel in 12 or 20 gauge.
@@newscoulomb3705 No, I'm speaking from growing up in the rural south. At least for the past 30ish years I've never known anyone to own or use a .410 for anything. The only mention of it I can recall is one or two very old men saying something along the lines of ".410s are for experts." Long before the UA-cam influencer stuff.
@@mabs9503 Okay, so your experience is very different than mine. Around here, they are very common as youth shotguns and all-purpose (trap, varmint, upland) guns. The 12s and 20s were always the waterfowl guns, but you'd be hard pressed to find a hunter who didn't at least have a .410 growing up.
@@newscoulomb3705 The go-to for a youth shotgun or a shotgun for a lady who doesn't feel comfortable with a 12ga is a 20ga. The only person I knew who had a .410 had one of those "pilot survival guns" and he treated it like a novelty/collector item.
It took me 50 years to realize I wasn't good enough to shoot a 410. Sold the two 410's I owned and all reloading equipment. Now - the 28 gauge - ahhh, a totally different story!
410 is usually the 2nd gun American kids get. Their first is .22lr. 410 is good for small game. Rabbits, squirrels etc and with 410 slugs deer. A lot of us have defensive handgun/ revolvers that have some very interesting 410 defensive loads
@@ronaldjohnson1474 My local Rural King had a couple of the .410 Mossberg 500 pumps. Mossberg even makes their little 510 Mini in .410. Henry might make their single shot in .410, but since H&R / NEF shut down, you don’t really see the basic .410 singles much anymore.
There's been a canada wide shortage on 410 ammunition for the past 3 years and we finally got some in stock this past Monday. Hands down the most popular shell for grouse hunting in northwestern ontario. Great video!
I am one of those Americans recommending the .410. It works for me on all game birds. I use Federal TSS shot for turkey and pheasants, otherwise nothing special. I think it will grow on you. Congrats on getting a fine gun at a great price.
My brother-in-law in Scotland was given a very short shotgun as a gift from a tenant. Scotland Yard came the next day to pick it up as evidence. The tenant’s son had robbed a bank. Incredibly they gave my brother the rifle back after the case was closed.
Some great points made across the board in this video. From the viewpoint of a US shooter, .410 and 28 gauge are all you really need for "bird" shooting. For my part, small bores are the best trainer for experienced shooters. Shooting 12 gauge in 8+ pound guns make me develop bad habits like shooting only from the waist up and not utilizing the rest of my body for consistent, smooth shots. I tend to use the method Josh adapted of insert behind and swing through with help from my legs to swing rather than just pushing with my arms. My vote; make it fit you and guard it with your life. It will give you great pleasure for the rest of your life.
I started hunting with my brothers Rossi .410 side by side as a kid and shot ducks every bit as good as my buddies with their12 gauge pumps! I finally got my own 12 gauge and my brother sold his .410. I have been looking for another .410 like his for the last 40 years, someday I will get lucky!
Great to see Jonny getting excited over shooting the 410, As a confirmed fan myself and organiser of "The British Open 410 Championship" I expect to see Jonny at next years event. I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you get a level of buzz hitting things with a 410 that you just don't get with a 12 bore.
Hi Bobby, The British Open 410 Championship. A festival of this fantastic little calibre. Held this year at the fabulous E J Churchill SG on August Bank holiday Monday 26th. Details and booking will be publicised shortly. See you there. Richard
Since purchasing a .410 and a pair of 28ga guns, I will never go back to 12 or 20ga for clay sports or hunting. So much more fun and very rarely feel like I wished for more gun.
.410 was my son’s first deer gun, at 7 years old. I still have it here. My first was an o/u 28 guage my grandfather gave me when I was 8 years old. I also still have that, in fact I had it professionally refurbished by a local gunsmith/engraver. Both are now souvenirs.
Thanks for a wonderful video! I shoot my .410 now for all my shooting. It’s truly big thrill when you connect with a 50+ yard shot with this little gun. I not a great shot, but I’m a lucky shot. My grandfather told me many years ago, it’s better to be lucky all the time, than be good/great once in a while! What’s amazing to me is some of the second barrel shots I make at wobble trap. Unfortunately they are smoked hits, usually two or three pieces. Not bad for 50-60 yard targets. My favor load now is my hand load of 5/8oz. of 7 1/2’s in a 3” shell.
It's about time you woke up and realized how much fun the 410 is to shoot. I shoot 4 gun Skeet here in the States and purchased a 30 inch Silver Pigeon III Sporting in a 2 barrel 28/410 set in 2021. It's proven to be the smartest gun purchase I have ever made. The fit is 100% spot on perfect and the 410 is the least expensive shot shell you can reload. I will also note that it's 6 1/2 lbs. weight with a slight forward balance provides the perfect balance between Responsiveness and Stability. Note, it features a EELL wood upgrade which does add about 1/2 lbs to the gun. I liked the first so much that a month ago I purchased a duplicate just to have a spare in the event the #1 gun had an issue. I'll also note that mine is a gun that you shoot like it were a 12 gauge, nothing at all special needed in the technique to shoot it well. BTW, next time you visit the US you may want to stop in at Joel Etchen Guns in Ligonier, PA. He normally keeps a selection of 20/28 and 28/410 Silver Pigeon III's in stock. Note, he stocks both Field and Sporting versions and all these guns have EELL wood upgrades so they are a bit expensive.
The .410 was always known as the "Shed Gun" here in Australia. Great to have between you and a (protected, deadly) snake. Point and shoot. Not my fault the snake got in the way of my target.....
@@alsaunders7805 All native animals are protected here. Even the ones that are deemed as a pest by farmers and graziers. Pigs, goats, rabbits and the like are classified as feral. Good luck getting a gun license here though.... Lots of rules.
Yeah can’t shoot a rabbit or a fox in a national park or reserve even though they are a pest animals,the government much prefers the “ humane” control of pests with 1080 poison ,which causes the animals to haemorrhage out of their eyes and ears and can take 3 days to die
A wonderful new episode, thank you Mr. Carter! There are several enjoyable UA-cam videos featuring .410 enthusiasts from Italy, enjoying walked-up woodcock shooting, over English setters in Ireland and Scotland, and they are very effective with their .410 side-by-sides. If you have the opportunity to do some walked-up for partridge or woodcock, that should make for another great TGS chapter. My wife and I do quite a lot of walked-up game shooting stateside over our English setter, and our AyA #4 boxlock ejector small bore guns have never let us down - affordable, reliable, effective, handsome, wonderfully crafted, nicely balanced and light weight - guns we can carry for long periods with little fatigue. Be careful: small bore guns easily become an addiction . . .
I have a Taurus Judge Home Defender. It is chamber in 410/45lc. It has a 13 inch barrel with a foregrip. It has a pistol grip instead of stock. It is equipped with the Sightmark wolverine red dot and light/laser. It holds 5 in the revolver. This gun is very fun to shoot and accurate at modest distance of 7 to 10 yards. Perfect for defending my home.
Back before the Covid days I exclusively shot .410 out of a Remington 870 wingmaster that I got as a child. Now in the US it’s extremely rare to find now so now the 28 gets all the play.
I picked up an AYA #3 in 28ga last year at the December Holts auction. Yes, they're great fun. Mine was in very good condition, other than the horrible spray lacquer finish they used in the '70's. I bought it for my daughter, but it'll be a few years before she's ready for it. In the mean time, I'm using it with some stick on pad's for drop and a leather pad for length
i love the side-by-side. it's a pretty gun. My mom (now 80) was given a .410 single shot when she was a child. She had no problem hitting targets - no clay but game and pest control. In her case, she didn't have any other habits to break - it was the first and only gun she shot. I suppose if you're used to something else (i.e., 12ga), it just becomes a matter of getting used to the .410.
Have an LC Smith ..410 with 28 inch barrels and double triggers choked mod/full manufactured in 1947. It’s all original with case colors and untouched screws. Paid too much for it but it’s worth quite a bit to a collector I suppose. Great fun and great little gun.
I have a over and under 410 and I shoot it all the time. I love shooting it and and hunt with it so I think you'll have a long time and have fun with it
In mid-December 1955 I was gifted a Stevens Model 39a .410 shotgun for my birthday. It was my first personal firearm. I took a lot of game using 3" shells from that gun and still have it to this day.
Ive got a AYA no3 .410 if bought it about year ago. They are so much fun to shoot. Everyone wants to have a look and talk to you when you turn up with something a buy different at the clay shoot.
Hope .410 shells are easier to find on your side of the pond than they are here. I've been looking for some #4's or #6's to buy for almost a year now with no luck in the U.S. It's like all our ammo manufacturers totally forgot they make shells in .410 gauge. You know it's bad when 16ga shells are easier to find than .410 shells.
its why i bought a 16ga tons of it from sport south and RSR (distributers for dealers) bought like 15 cases of game loads plus a case of slugs and buck shot for my model 12 in 16 i found at a yard sale for $100
As a kid in Canada, I was gifted with a Cooey 410 single shot after I got my licence. Great little shotgun for grouse and rabbit. It got put in the back of the safe as I got older. I joined a trap and skeet club a few years ago, and some of the older guys shot them. Rolled their own rounds. Busted birds no problem. I was shooting 12 gauge, and asked them how they shot so well with the 410. They replied quite casually, if you’re on it, you’re on it. Great advice.
Johnnie, I shot 410 exclusively for practice on American skeet...In my last few years of competitive shooting I averaged 9 plus with the 410 using Briley titanium tubes in my MT-6... I shot he 28 bore for the other 3 events with a very high 99% average also with Briley tubes...When I first got serious about skeet I purchased a Krigeoff 32 four barrel se...Very well designed firearm, but I couldn't hit a large bull in the ass at 21 yards...My 410 were not even worth a waste of fresh water to flush them down the throne... I bought the Buck Rogers MT-6 from Daniel at the 76 Olympics and before firing one round sent it off to Jess Briley for a set of titanium tubes...What a difference shooting a shotgun professionally fit to me with the weight and handling of a 12 bore...you want to be competitive at next year's British 410 championship the fit your favorite 12 bore with 410 tubes or get Jim to build you a 32 inch barrel set that balances like your Longthorne 12 bore...Shooting lightweight 410 frame guns will just frustrate you...I think you are capable of winning the 410 championship with the right configuration.
Just a thought, have you ever considered sending your gun to Briley or Kohler to have your main Longthorn fitted with sub gauge tubes? I did this years ago in the 90s so I could shoot the same gun with the same feel just with different gauges. The tubes add a little weight forwardness to your gun, which improves the swing and as we all know that can’t be a bad thing.
That's a beautifully made shotgun. I didnt have the best success when I was given the single barrel as my first shotgun. I was deadly on squirrels but doves were frustrating at best. When my daughter reached the age and responsibility to begin hunting with me I found a youth model single in 20 gauge that shes handling fine.
We're using this caliber in Turkey with AR platform shotguns. Production of real AR15 platform shotguns is very common in Turkey. .410 is very suitable for tactical shooting. It's small, so you can use high-capacity mags with those shotguns. The other thing is the recoil is relatively close to the .223. .410 slugs are reliable for gas blowback systems so you can use it in real AR15 platform shotguns.
A few years ago I had a fairly large shoot in Cambridgeshire. Every year I invited a team of guns that I knew could shoot on a 410 day. We were all amazed at the height and quality of cock pheasants that were clean killed. The pickers up were very surprised at the lack of wounded birds. The demand to be invited was intense, a marvellous little gun, enjoy it to the full it will surprise you.
I have a Hatfield single shot 410. It was so inexpensive it's laughable but for the money unbelievable. It shoots beautifully, slim, well made, accurate, light weight, and a wide selection of ammo for multiple uses, bird, hog, deer, clays, home defense. Can a $99 dollar shotgun actually be called elegant???? Good times to all.
I had a lovely little AyA Number 4 in .410. Couldn't hit a thing with it so got it on the pattern plate and found it shot way off to one side. The gun was near mint but I had to say good bye to it. The little 28 bore version of the same gun I have is superb.
This is a great video. As an American, your accents, and the content in general, is spot on. I love .410 I have even taken to reloading it. $1000 pounds seems like a lot for that, I can buy decent over unders used in .410 for around $600 USD- however, we do have better gun laws and better supply (usually). Though you are right, .410 ammo can be hard to find and expensive at times
I acquired my .410, a Henry single shot, a few years back as a lightweight turkey gun. With Apex Ninja TSS 9.5s, it throws a killing pattern to at least 40 yards, a dozen or more hits in the head and neck with the factory Turkey choke (by Briley BTW). With a Skeet tube, it shoots Brenneke slugs like a rifle, two-inch three-shot groups at 50 yards, with a sight of course. I had it d&t for optics and have used a red dot and a small prism sight. Right now, it’s bare, because I shoot it at 5-stand when I can get shells. They are, as you said, hard to find, and expensive when you do, at least $14 a box. Great fun on the clays, and since I can call the targets I want, those 35 yards and under, I do pretty well with it. Not quite ready to drop big bucks on a double, but I’m getting closer. Fortunately, the Henrys generally have nice walnut at least, and the ejector is almost a weapon itself; really tosses them! Great video, as per usual. Thanks.
Had moderated 410’s over the years and did ok with them in a hide ( by my standards ) but on a whim I bought a Yildiz o/u from TGS a few weeks ago - I’m smitten! My first outing on skeet was more fun than I’d had in ages and I by my own standards I did surprisingly well but I think that was psychology - I didn’t overthink things, just “see it, shoot it” and it worked a treat. I’ve just got to get hold of enough cartridges I can use at my clay ground - 7’s are the limit in terms of shot size. I used the Hull 11gm load 7’s and Fiocchi 19gm 71/2’s and while I did better with the 19gm the 11gm were more fun to shoot in this little gun and were noticeably quieter and they’ll be the ones I use at the farm on fields where noise is an issue.
I have a 20 gauge with 410 bore Briley ultralight full length custom tubes and a cost effective option compared to getting a dedicated 410 shotgun. A lot of people buy a 12 gauge and get tube set for 20, 28, and 410 and shoot everything with one gun. In my case I shoot over and unders in 12 gauge and a 20/28 barrel set with the 410 bore tube in 20 barrels. Would like to see reviews on tube sets. My pals with 12 gauge and 410 tubes noticed a considerable difference in 20 gauge with 410 tubes in the smaller frame 20.
A beautiful gun from AYA. The 410 caliber is definitely getting more attention. My 75 year old clay-shooting friend uses the 410 exclusively. Have fun!
As a kid I was lucky enough to have a dad who loves firearms. We had a couple of .410 variations. Really fun firearm for a kid. Rabbits, foxes etc, just perfect.
A fun video that I enjoyed. I will watch it again to ferret out what language Josh is speaking. For much of the video I thought I was listening to the broadcast of a Premiership football game being narrated in the style of an announcer from Mexico. Good fun none the less.
I had 12 bores, but I always loved my bolt action 410...just liked the size of cartridge too.. Would be nice to see the shot pattern at different ranges...
American who has had a .410 around in some form or another for 40 odd years. Used mainly for squirrels, venomous snakes, and pest critters tearing up the outbuildings. As for shooting flying. I'll stay with the 20s and 12 gauges.
Seeing a guy grin from ear to ear over a shotgun says it all!! I love sxs’s and have one in 20 gauge. I totally get the grin factor!! Absolutely fantastic
I had a lovely little franchetti 410 . It folded in half and was easy to carry while fencing, hedging , myriad things. Some rabbits , pheasies, fell down on front ofme and had to be warmed up in the oven 🤔
I owed 165 .410’s so I know them pretty well. My gun of choice was the Winchester Model 42. You can see my collection on here if you go to Winchester Model 42 collectors. It was on TV too.
I watch all your videos and I know you have been to the USA. I am wondering why I haven’t seen you shoot a round of skeet or trap . I would also like to suggest maybe shooting a tubed gun (410,28,and 20) . Look at the NSSA it is all over the world and very competitive. I am hooked now for 20 years.
I have a Browning 425 with 30” barrels and it’s a very addictive gun ! If you can get some Winchester AA’s Super Sports in 410 over there it’s an absolute game changer. They are the ONLY 410 shells that I shoot.
Yank here. Man i have loved sise by side 410 and 28 ga from afar my entire shioting life. I jave had and have 12 ga and 20. But to me the smaller ga are so cool and smooth looking. Years a go i got a new in the box fiochi from a friend in a trade. It was 28 ga over under. I loved handling it and showing it off. I never even fired it before trading it iff. I jave all ways been more of a hand gun man . Enjoyed this vidio. I am going to get one one if these day.
Man, if I remember my younger years well, you have a very expensive addiction... .410 shells were really expensive when I was younger, duck hunting with my older brother. So much that it justified buying a 12g the second year. Kept the little single shot .410 for hare hunting because it was so fun and easy to shoot but quickly preferred the accuracy needed by a .22 and the inexpensive plinking pleasure.
When I was a kid, I started with a single shot .410 dove hunting and couldn’t upgrade until I hit a bag limit with it. A lot of sad rides home from the dove field.
Here in NC, my buddy inherited a .410 when his grandpa died. I believe it's a winchester? It's a single shot break action. His grandpa used it for deer I heard, which is doable with slugs or buckshot. When my Grandpa Arlie died, I got a banjo 😎 its very cool
I have a 410 pump, good gun for close grouse and squirrels and little else. I have it's matching serial number in 20 gauge so they're a set. They're both fun to shoot but for any serious shooting I shoot one of my 12 gauge shotty's.
I love .410s. Grew up shooting a bolt action and loved it 💖 I think the huge smile on Jonnys face is because it’s a SxS 😂 I brought my first SxS on Saturday - an AYA Yeoman and every time I pick it up I grin from ear to ear 👍 Looking forward to the Beaters Day video, hopefully next Sunday as it’s October 1st 😉
Ive heard a saying here in america many times and i believe it to have a lot of truth to it. There are two kinds of people that shoot 410, beginners, and experts. I have never ran enough 410 shells through me gins to get good at busting clays, not that i don’t absolutely love the 410, but they are scarce and expensive when you do find them. I wish they would gain more popularity like the 12 ga, because if the manufacturers could sell enough to dedicate an assembly line to them constantly as they do with 12, i cant help but feel 410 should be less expensive. Its less powder, less shot, less wad, less hull… it should just be less. So i get beat by my beloved maverick 88 and grandpa’s ward and western 12 ga for our semi somewhat annual trap shooting spectacular when we have one.
I used to shoot a friends SxS AYA .410 and it was surprisingly good , wanted a .410 of my own ever since but like you say decent one's are decent money. It needs a Silvers pad 👍.
Just spent the weekend hunting with some friends and we are all ha old 410s. I rocked a Savage 24, and there was a Mossberg 500 and a mossberg 183! All shot great!
my first gun was a single shot iver Johnson 410 when i was 8,im 45 now and even though i have 20s and 12s that little 410 is still the one i grab 80 percent of the time
My .410 is a No. 1 mk 3 Enfield converted to a single shot shotgun in India. Rechambered to 3" .410 by the importer. Need to get another .410 repeater after my oldest daughter moved out and took the old Stevens bolt action repeater with her.
You know there are inexpensive semiauto 410 guns. You are correct we grow up hunting with them. I love them, they’re time machines that take you back to childhood for a brief moment.
My local gun shop has a beautiful 410 Holland & Holland with 2 sets if barrels and external hammers. And now this video drops. I guess I'm going back to that shop to ogle something I really shouldn't buy.
410 has the same muzzle energy per pellet as a 12ga. I see a lot of non-Americans talking about 28ga. Thing about 28ga in the US is that it is a hard to find, expensive, target only cartridge. Sure you could reload it. But 410 is far more popular, easier to find (even custom loads are easy to get), cheaper, and a wide variety of guns for it.
3" Fiochi #8 shot. out of a recently inherited old Savage .410 pump and I had a blast this trap league. My best was 21 this season, don't shoot other than this spring league for fun. You receive accolades for shooting the .410 and breaking clays. I figure you're either on or you ain't the gage matters little. But I love this little pump!
99% I shoot 12ga but when at tournaments in Thailand we mostly got also side challenges, a 25 sporting layout with 3 pegs for side by side etc… I enjoy 28ga and 410 a lot as well every time.
Own 2 doubles 1 auto and 4 pumps and looking real hard at a lever the ammo is the hardest to get here in the states I got 3 28. Gauges and heavy shot is pricey but the challenge is there
410's were real common here in Australia back in the old days, they were primarily a house gun used by the lady of the house on deadly snakes like the Eastern Brown.
My first shotgun was an H&R Topper .410. The problem came when I went to the hardware store to buy a box of 25 Shells of either 2.5" or 3" and then looked a the boxes of 20 gauge, or 12 gauge with a price that was within a dollar. Thus the only way a .410 makes sense is to reload.
Mossberg predator 410 in 2017.. SWEET..Bought 300+ shells when prices and supply were low.. Federal cheap were 9 something a box.. NOW16+ IF you can find..Have some of the exotic shells( flechette , sabot , 00 , 000 , 1/4oz slugs , and some number shot loads).. Better shot than my 5.56..Never give it up..Look around and have gotten some good ammo deals.. 50-65c round.. That i can shoot with.. SWEET SHOTGUN..
Respect is earned. Earn it you do #TGSoutdoors. I love my little Bretton bolt action 410. It's full length silenced and quieter than my .22 lr. Roost shooting near the stables it's just the job.
Nobody really takes the .410 seriously in the US so it's pretty cool seeing some content for it on UA-cam. Thanks.
because the ammo costs more then 50bmg...
I would say that's only true of the "influencers." With the introduction of TSS, you're seeing a lot more hunters gravitating to the .410. The bigger issue is, lead shot has been broadly banned for bird hunting, and steel shot in the .410 simply isn't effective. So when it comes to hunting with the .410, the choice is essentially bismuth or TSS, both of which are more expensive than steel in 12 or 20 gauge.
@@newscoulomb3705 No, I'm speaking from growing up in the rural south. At least for the past 30ish years I've never known anyone to own or use a .410 for anything. The only mention of it I can recall is one or two very old men saying something along the lines of ".410s are for experts." Long before the UA-cam influencer stuff.
@@mabs9503 Okay, so your experience is very different than mine. Around here, they are very common as youth shotguns and all-purpose (trap, varmint, upland) guns. The 12s and 20s were always the waterfowl guns, but you'd be hard pressed to find a hunter who didn't at least have a .410 growing up.
@@newscoulomb3705 The go-to for a youth shotgun or a shotgun for a lady who doesn't feel comfortable with a 12ga is a 20ga. The only person I knew who had a .410 had one of those "pilot survival guns" and he treated it like a novelty/collector item.
It took me 50 years to realize I wasn't good enough to shoot a 410. Sold the two 410's I owned and all reloading equipment. Now - the 28 gauge - ahhh, a totally different story!
They can have it. I bought a 20 o/u.👍
A couple of my mates are pointing me at 28s...
Fell in love with 28 gauge, myself.
That much difference between .410 and 28 gauge?
I wanted a 28 gauge all along, this spring I came across the right deal.
410 is usually the 2nd gun American kids get. Their first is .22lr. 410 is good for small game. Rabbits, squirrels etc and with 410 slugs deer. A lot of us have defensive handgun/ revolvers that have some very interesting 410 defensive loads
Slight modification - used to be. Hard to find a 410 that's not "tactical" with a thumb hole stock or camo-ed with a picatinny rail.
@@ronaldjohnson1474 My local Rural King had a couple of the .410 Mossberg 500 pumps. Mossberg even makes their little 510 Mini in .410.
Henry might make their single shot in .410, but since H&R / NEF shut down, you don’t really see the basic .410 singles much anymore.
@@ronaldjohnson1474 can still find em if you look online. Plus plenty of companies combine the two and make over under 22lr/410 combo guns
@@ronaldjohnson1474My lgs has plenty of non tactical .410. Singles, doubles, over-under, lever action, and even a dual caliber.
Some of us had both…a .22 out of the top barrel with .410 underneath. 😂
There's been a canada wide shortage on 410 ammunition for the past 3 years and we finally got some in stock this past Monday. Hands down the most popular shell for grouse hunting in northwestern ontario. Great video!
Same problem down East, cant find them..
Matt True Canadiens need to take Canada back from the Liberals. The same way that True Americans need to take America back from the Leftist
Wow, Grouse with a .410, you guys are good! I hope you have a fun and prosperous hunting season!
Can't find them in the usa
When you do find them, they put a 12 gauge hole in your pocket@@BorneSolidBoom
I am one of those Americans recommending the .410. It works for me on all game birds. I use Federal TSS shot for turkey and pheasants, otherwise nothing special. I think it will grow on you. Congrats on getting a fine gun at a great price.
We use them on halibut and salmon sharks up here in AK. It can be just too exciting to have a live one of those on board and unhappy😁
@@JD-tn5lz bruh you shoot them before you gaff them?
My brother-in-law in Scotland was given a very short shotgun as a gift from a tenant. Scotland Yard came the next day to pick it up as evidence. The tenant’s son had robbed a bank. Incredibly they gave my brother the rifle back after the case was closed.
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Rifle?
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Or shotgun?
Scotland, always more based than the British.
@sunsinger970
Scotland Yard is in London. It's the Metropolitan police HQ.
Edit...And Scotland is in Great Britain. 😂
Some great points made across the board in this video. From the viewpoint of a US shooter, .410 and 28 gauge are all you really need for "bird" shooting. For my part, small bores are the best trainer for experienced shooters. Shooting 12 gauge in 8+ pound guns make me develop bad habits like shooting only from the waist up and not utilizing the rest of my body for consistent, smooth shots. I tend to use the method Josh adapted of insert behind and swing through with help from my legs to swing rather than just pushing with my arms. My vote; make it fit you and guard it with your life. It will give you great pleasure for the rest of your life.
I started hunting with my brothers Rossi .410 side by side as a kid and shot ducks every bit as good as my buddies with their12 gauge pumps! I finally got my own 12 gauge and my brother sold his .410. I have been looking for another .410 like his for the last 40 years, someday I will get lucky!
Nice you can get 410 ammo. Here in Canada they are virtually non existent and if you do find some they want $50 per box!!!😢
here in Greece my 410 ammo 9euros per box
Same here in the states. 410 isn't easy to find
It's upwards of almost $2 a shell in my area of the US.
You are lucky you can find that😅
Australian almost $40 $50 when you can find it.
Yes, have a725 /410 32” Sporting and a Parker in 410…fun fun
I purchased a 28 gauge and loading supplies instead of a 410 here in canada. Similar reasons to own with small size and recoil. Very fun and addictive
Great to see Jonny getting excited over shooting the 410, As a confirmed fan myself and organiser of "The British Open 410 Championship" I expect to see Jonny at next years event.
I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you get a level of buzz hitting things with a 410 that you just don't get with a 12 bore.
The British open 410 champs!? As a brand new 410 owner…..Please tell me more!!
ua-cam.com/video/0kIbK_HGbxA/v-deo.html
Why do you think that is?
Hi Bobby,
The British Open 410 Championship. A festival of this fantastic little calibre. Held this year at the fabulous E J Churchill SG on August Bank holiday Monday 26th. Details and booking will be publicised shortly.
See you there.
Richard
@@richardgray4369 Yess!!!! Thankyou very much!!
I will make sure I’m there! Where abouts will it be posted?
28ga is a good alternative. Huge variation in loads too - very versatile, but cartridges are spendy.
Since purchasing a .410 and a pair of 28ga guns, I will never go back to 12 or 20ga for clay sports or hunting. So much more fun and very rarely feel like I wished for more gun.
Jonny says "Thats beautiful, well made and under £1000" Jonny means: it had gold accents on it 🤣🤣🤣
In the US you can get a break action shotgun for about $100
@@coopboulton where cause I want one
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@@coopboultonlol try £50 in the UK. Old side by sides are generally unwanted. At an auction you could possibly 2 for £50 lol
@@beeboop1726 shotguns are still pretty popular in the US.. Most guns are popular in the US lol.
.410 was my son’s first deer gun, at 7 years old. I still have it here.
My first was an o/u 28 guage my grandfather gave me when I was 8 years old. I also still have that, in fact I had it professionally refurbished by a local gunsmith/engraver. Both are now souvenirs.
Thanks for a wonderful video! I shoot my .410 now for all my shooting. It’s truly big thrill when you connect with a 50+ yard shot with this little gun. I not a great shot, but I’m a lucky shot. My grandfather told me many years ago, it’s better to be lucky all the time, than be good/great once in a while! What’s amazing to me is some of the second barrel shots I make at wobble trap. Unfortunately they are smoked hits, usually two or three pieces. Not bad for 50-60 yard targets. My favor load now is my hand load of 5/8oz. of 7 1/2’s in a 3” shell.
It's about time you woke up and realized how much fun the 410 is to shoot. I shoot 4 gun Skeet here in the States and purchased a 30 inch Silver Pigeon III Sporting in a 2 barrel 28/410 set in 2021. It's proven to be the smartest gun purchase I have ever made. The fit is 100% spot on perfect and the 410 is the least expensive shot shell you can reload. I will also note that it's 6 1/2 lbs. weight with a slight forward balance provides the perfect balance between Responsiveness and Stability. Note, it features a EELL wood upgrade which does add about 1/2 lbs to the gun. I liked the first so much that a month ago I purchased a duplicate just to have a spare in the event the #1 gun had an issue. I'll also note that mine is a gun that you shoot like it were a 12 gauge, nothing at all special needed in the technique to shoot it well. BTW, next time you visit the US you may want to stop in at Joel Etchen Guns in Ligonier, PA. He normally keeps a selection of 20/28 and 28/410 Silver Pigeon III's in stock. Note, he stocks both Field and Sporting versions and all these guns have EELL wood upgrades so they are a bit expensive.
The .410 was always known as the "Shed Gun" here in Australia. Great to have between you and a (protected, deadly) snake. Point and shoot. Not my fault the snake got in the way of my target.....
Killed many a water moc, coral snake, and rattlesnake in Missouri with 410s.
We don't need excuses or alibis here😁
Deadly snakes are protected in Australia? 🤔🤓🍻
@@alsaunders7805 All native animals are protected here. Even the ones that are deemed as a pest by farmers and graziers. Pigs, goats, rabbits and the like are classified as feral. Good luck getting a gun license here though.... Lots of rules.
Yeah can’t shoot a rabbit or a fox in a national park or reserve even though they are a pest animals,the government much prefers the “ humane” control of pests with 1080 poison ,which causes the animals to haemorrhage out of their eyes and ears and can take 3 days to die
A wonderful new episode, thank you Mr. Carter! There are several enjoyable UA-cam videos featuring .410 enthusiasts from Italy, enjoying walked-up woodcock shooting, over English setters in Ireland and Scotland, and they are very effective with their .410 side-by-sides. If you have the opportunity to do some walked-up for partridge or woodcock, that should make for another great TGS chapter. My wife and I do quite a lot of walked-up game shooting stateside over our English setter, and our AyA #4 boxlock ejector small bore guns have never let us down - affordable, reliable, effective, handsome, wonderfully crafted, nicely balanced and light weight - guns we can carry for long periods with little fatigue. Be careful: small bore guns easily become an addiction . . .
I load my 2.5 inch hulls with 9 shot or 8.5's at most. Very dense pattern compared to 7.5's and breaks clays fine.
Single shot 410 and a 22 were minimum required equipment for a country boy when I grew up ( Canada in the 70s) lol
Same here in California (real California anyway).
I have a Taurus Judge Home Defender. It is chamber in 410/45lc. It has a 13 inch barrel with a foregrip. It has a pistol grip instead of stock. It is equipped with the Sightmark wolverine red dot and light/laser. It holds 5 in the revolver. This gun is very fun to shoot and accurate at modest distance of 7 to 10 yards. Perfect for defending my home.
My first shotgun at 12 years of age in 1961 was a Cooey single shot .410 with ejector, best shotgun that I ever had.
Back before the Covid days I exclusively shot .410 out of a Remington 870 wingmaster that I got as a child. Now in the US it’s extremely rare to find now so now the 28 gets all the play.
I picked up an AYA #3 in 28ga last year at the December Holts auction. Yes, they're great fun. Mine was in very good condition, other than the horrible spray lacquer finish they used in the '70's. I bought it for my daughter, but it'll be a few years before she's ready for it. In the mean time, I'm using it with some stick on pad's for drop and a leather pad for length
I buy guns "for my daughter" all the time...the two of them are 16 and 20. One day they'll be old enough to shoot them.
i love the side-by-side. it's a pretty gun.
My mom (now 80) was given a .410 single shot when she was a child. She had no problem hitting targets - no clay but game and pest control. In her case, she didn't have any other habits to break - it was the first and only gun she shot. I suppose if you're used to something else (i.e., 12ga), it just becomes a matter of getting used to the .410.
Have an LC Smith ..410 with 28 inch barrels and double triggers choked mod/full manufactured in 1947. It’s all original with case colors and untouched screws. Paid too much for it but it’s worth quite a bit to a collector I suppose. Great fun and great little gun.
I have a over and under 410 and I shoot it all the time. I love shooting it and and hunt with it so I think you'll have a long time and have fun with it
In mid-December 1955 I was gifted a Stevens Model 39a .410 shotgun for my birthday. It was my first personal firearm. I took a lot of game using 3" shells from that gun and still have it to this day.
I bought a Beretta Silver Pigeon about a year ago and love it. I agree, I find the 3 inch cartridges better than the 2.5 inch ones.
410 great caliber owned several over the years one of which was truly spectacular and a side by side to boot..
Ive got a AYA no3 .410 if bought it about year ago. They are so much fun to shoot.
Everyone wants to have a look and talk to you when you turn up with something a buy different at the clay shoot.
In the former American colony, the .410 ammunition has been hard to get target and game loads for quite a few years now.
I grew up with a 410.....you learn to shoot
Hats off if you could shoot one well and astonishment that as a kid you could afford the shells to learn.
@@agunther08they used to be super cheap…. Like almost .22 kind of cheap.
@@agunther08 When I started shooting a .410, my shells were around $2.30 a box for the "good stuff". It has been quite awhile ago!!
Hope .410 shells are easier to find on your side of the pond than they are here. I've been looking for some #4's or #6's to buy for almost a year now with no luck in the U.S. It's like all our ammo manufacturers totally forgot they make shells in .410 gauge. You know it's bad when 16ga shells are easier to find than .410 shells.
its why i bought a 16ga tons of it from sport south and RSR (distributers for dealers) bought like 15 cases of game loads plus a case of slugs and buck shot for my model 12 in 16 i found at a yard sale for $100
As a kid in Canada, I was gifted with a Cooey 410 single shot after I got my licence. Great little shotgun for grouse and rabbit. It got put in the back of the safe as I got older. I joined a trap and skeet club a few years ago, and some of the older guys shot them. Rolled their own rounds. Busted birds no problem. I was shooting 12 gauge, and asked them how they shot so well with the 410. They replied quite casually, if you’re on it, you’re on it. Great advice.
Johnnie, I shot 410 exclusively for practice on American skeet...In my last few years of competitive shooting I averaged 9 plus with the 410 using Briley titanium tubes in my MT-6... I shot he 28 bore for the other 3 events with a very high 99% average also with Briley tubes...When I first got serious about skeet I purchased a Krigeoff 32 four barrel se...Very well designed firearm, but I couldn't hit a large bull in the ass at 21 yards...My 410 were not even worth a waste of fresh water to flush them down the throne... I bought the Buck Rogers MT-6 from Daniel at the 76 Olympics and before firing one round sent it off to Jess Briley for a set of titanium tubes...What a difference shooting a shotgun professionally fit to me with the weight and handling of a 12 bore...you want to be competitive at next year's British 410 championship the fit your favorite 12 bore with 410 tubes or get Jim to build you a 32 inch barrel set that balances like your Longthorne 12 bore...Shooting lightweight 410 frame guns will just frustrate you...I think you are capable of winning the 410 championship with the right configuration.
Our families 410 was a marvellous Topper from around 1959/1960...very good balance and very well made 👍 👏
The Topper Jr here! Lots of shells fired, lots of bluejays & crows sleeping as a lad.
Just a thought, have you ever considered sending your gun to Briley or Kohler to have your main Longthorn fitted with sub gauge tubes? I did this years ago in the 90s so I could shoot the same gun with the same feel just with different gauges. The tubes add a little weight forwardness to your gun, which improves the swing and as we all know that can’t be a bad thing.
That's a beautifully made shotgun. I didnt have the best success when I was given the single barrel as my first shotgun. I was deadly on squirrels but doves were frustrating at best. When my daughter reached the age and responsibility to begin hunting with me I found a youth model single in 20 gauge that shes handling fine.
We're using this caliber in Turkey with AR platform shotguns. Production of real AR15 platform shotguns is very common in Turkey. .410 is very suitable for tactical shooting. It's small, so you can use high-capacity mags with those shotguns. The other thing is the recoil is relatively close to the .223. .410 slugs are reliable for gas blowback systems so you can use it in real AR15 platform shotguns.
A few years ago I had a fairly large shoot in Cambridgeshire. Every year I invited a team of guns that I knew could shoot on a 410 day. We were all amazed at the height and quality of cock pheasants that were clean killed. The pickers up were very surprised at the lack of wounded birds. The demand to be invited was intense, a marvellous little gun, enjoy it to the full it will surprise you.
I have a Hatfield single shot 410. It was so inexpensive it's laughable but for the money unbelievable. It shoots beautifully, slim, well made, accurate, light weight, and a wide selection of ammo for multiple uses, bird, hog, deer, clays, home defense. Can a $99 dollar shotgun actually be called elegant???? Good times to all.
I had a lovely little AyA Number 4 in .410. Couldn't hit a thing with it so got it on the pattern plate and found it shot way off to one side. The gun was near mint but I had to say good bye to it. The little 28 bore version of the same gun I have is superb.
This is a great video. As an American, your accents, and the content in general, is spot on. I love .410 I have even taken to reloading it. $1000 pounds seems like a lot for that, I can buy decent over unders used in .410 for around $600 USD- however, we do have better gun laws and better supply (usually). Though you are right, .410 ammo can be hard to find and expensive at times
I learnt to shoot using a 410 when I was a kid. Used no.5 shot, for clay and field. Just a beautiful wee gun, and great ammo.
I hunt with a 410 a good bit. And I find 7-1/2's throw a better pattern for the distance that a 410 can fill.
I acquired my .410, a Henry single shot, a few years back as a lightweight turkey gun. With Apex Ninja TSS 9.5s, it throws a killing pattern to at least 40 yards, a dozen or more hits in the head and neck with the factory Turkey choke (by Briley BTW). With a Skeet tube, it shoots Brenneke slugs like a rifle, two-inch three-shot groups at 50 yards, with a sight of course. I had it d&t for optics and have used a red dot and a small prism sight. Right now, it’s bare, because I shoot it at 5-stand when I can get shells. They are, as you said, hard to find, and expensive when you do, at least $14 a box. Great fun on the clays, and since I can call the targets I want, those 35 yards and under, I do pretty well with it. Not quite ready to drop big bucks on a double, but I’m getting closer. Fortunately, the Henrys generally have nice walnut at least, and the ejector is almost a weapon itself; really tosses them!
Great video, as per usual. Thanks.
Had moderated 410’s over the years and did ok with them in a hide ( by my standards ) but on a whim I bought a Yildiz o/u from TGS a few weeks ago - I’m smitten! My first outing on skeet was more fun than I’d had in ages and I by my own standards I did surprisingly well but I think that was psychology - I didn’t overthink things, just “see it, shoot it” and it worked a treat. I’ve just got to get hold of enough cartridges I can use at my clay ground - 7’s are the limit in terms of shot size. I used the Hull 11gm load 7’s and Fiocchi 19gm 71/2’s and while I did better with the 19gm the 11gm were more fun to shoot in this little gun and were noticeably quieter and they’ll be the ones I use at the farm on fields where noise is an issue.
Great video Jonny. I was at Barbury on Friday, I can picture myself shooting the same targets with my new side by side.
I have a 20 gauge with 410 bore Briley ultralight full length custom tubes and a cost effective option compared to getting a dedicated 410 shotgun. A lot of people buy a 12 gauge and get tube set for 20, 28, and 410 and shoot everything with one gun. In my case I shoot over and unders in 12 gauge and a 20/28 barrel set with the 410 bore tube in 20 barrels. Would like to see reviews on tube sets. My pals with 12 gauge and 410 tubes noticed a considerable difference in 20 gauge with 410 tubes in the smaller frame 20.
A beautiful gun from AYA. The 410 caliber is definitely getting more attention. My 75 year old clay-shooting friend uses the 410 exclusively. Have fun!
Most of the attention it is getting from me is, it costs me three times as much to shoot my .410 than my 12g.
When you see em you buy em. When you see a slab of what you want you buy a slab. Of what you want. Man thats a great mouthful. Love it
As a kid I was lucky enough to have a dad who loves firearms. We had a couple of .410 variations. Really fun firearm for a kid. Rabbits, foxes etc, just perfect.
A fun video that I enjoyed. I will watch it again to ferret out what language Josh is speaking. For much of the video I thought I was listening to the broadcast of a Premiership football game being narrated in the style of an announcer from Mexico. Good fun none the less.
I had 12 bores, but I always loved my bolt action 410...just liked the size of cartridge too.. Would be nice to see the shot pattern at different ranges...
American who has had a .410 around in some form or another for 40 odd years. Used mainly for squirrels, venomous snakes, and pest critters tearing up the outbuildings. As for shooting flying. I'll stay with the 20s and 12 gauges.
I love the classic look and feel of a side by side shotgun. Add that it is in .410 bore, and it's absolute fun.😊
Seeing a guy grin from ear to ear over a shotgun says it all!! I love sxs’s and have one in 20 gauge. I totally get the grin factor!! Absolutely fantastic
I had a lovely little franchetti 410 . It folded in half and was easy to carry while fencing, hedging , myriad things. Some rabbits , pheasies, fell down on front ofme and had to be warmed up in the oven 🤔
I owed 165 .410’s so I know them pretty well. My gun of choice was the Winchester Model 42. You can see my collection on here if you go to Winchester Model 42 collectors. It was on TV too.
I watch all your videos and I know you have been to the USA. I am wondering why I haven’t seen you shoot a round of skeet or trap . I would also like to suggest maybe shooting a tubed gun (410,28,and 20) . Look at the NSSA it is all over the world and very competitive. I am hooked now for 20 years.
A .410 shell called "High Pheasants"?! Is that British humor?! 😂
I have a Browning 425 with 30” barrels and it’s a very addictive gun ! If you can get some Winchester AA’s Super Sports in 410 over there it’s an absolute game changer. They are the ONLY 410 shells that I shoot.
I grew up using a 410 single shot in Iowa. Phesants, rabbits, squirrels. The good old days
Yank here. Man i have loved sise by side 410 and 28 ga from afar my entire shioting life. I jave had and have 12 ga and 20. But to me the smaller ga are so cool and smooth looking. Years a go i got a new in the box fiochi from a friend in a trade. It was 28 ga over under. I loved handling it and showing it off. I never even fired it before trading it iff. I jave all ways been more of a hand gun man . Enjoyed this vidio. I am going to get one one if these day.
Man, if I remember my younger years well, you have a very expensive addiction...
.410 shells were really expensive when I was younger, duck hunting with my older brother. So much that it justified buying a 12g the second year.
Kept the little single shot .410 for hare hunting because it was so fun and easy to shoot but quickly preferred the accuracy needed by a .22 and the inexpensive plinking pleasure.
I still own an old savage bolt action 410. The problem is I can’t find ammo. I wanted to reload but I couldn’t find primers or hulls.
I love the comment about north Americans use a 410 for hunting. What do you think we are still in the stone age and we still use sticks and rocks.
When I was a kid, I started with a single shot .410 dove hunting and couldn’t upgrade until I hit a bag limit with it. A lot of sad rides home from the dove field.
Here in NC, my buddy inherited a .410 when his grandpa died. I believe it's a winchester? It's a single shot break action. His grandpa used it for deer I heard, which is doable with slugs or buckshot.
When my Grandpa Arlie died, I got a banjo 😎 its very cool
Bought the exact same gun a few year’s ago but with a longer stock absolutely love it
I have a 410 pump, good gun for close grouse and squirrels and little else. I have it's matching serial number in 20 gauge so they're a set. They're both fun to shoot but for any serious shooting I shoot one of my 12 gauge shotty's.
That is crazy that 78F is a “very warm day” in Texas that’s a winter day😂
Fantastic for grouse. Taken dozens myself. Works great for Turkey as well, contrary to popular opinion. Wingshooting? Gonna be tough, at least for me.
I love .410s. Grew up shooting a bolt action and loved it 💖 I think the huge smile on Jonnys face is because it’s a SxS 😂 I brought my first SxS on Saturday - an AYA Yeoman and every time I pick it up I grin from ear to ear 👍 Looking forward to the Beaters Day video, hopefully next Sunday as it’s October 1st 😉
My papaw used to use the .410 and his hunting buddies would always rib him about it since they all used 12ga. But he was outshooting them.
Ive heard a saying here in america many times and i believe it to have a lot of truth to it. There are two kinds of people that shoot 410, beginners, and experts. I have never ran enough 410 shells through me gins to get good at busting clays, not that i don’t absolutely love the 410, but they are scarce and expensive when you do find them. I wish they would gain more popularity like the 12 ga, because if the manufacturers could sell enough to dedicate an assembly line to them constantly as they do with 12, i cant help but feel 410 should be less expensive. Its less powder, less shot, less wad, less hull… it should just be less. So i get beat by my beloved maverick 88 and grandpa’s ward and western 12 ga for our semi somewhat annual trap shooting spectacular when we have one.
I used to shoot a friends SxS AYA .410 and it was surprisingly good , wanted a .410 of my own ever since but like you say decent one's are decent money.
It needs a Silvers pad 👍.
Whereas an old Webley...🤣
Just spent the weekend hunting with some friends and we are all ha old 410s. I rocked a Savage 24, and there was a Mossberg 500 and a mossberg 183! All shot great!
my first gun was a single shot iver Johnson 410 when i was 8,im 45 now and even though i have 20s and 12s that little 410 is still the one i grab 80 percent of the time
My .410 is a No. 1 mk 3 Enfield converted to a single shot shotgun in India. Rechambered to 3" .410 by the importer. Need to get another .410 repeater after my oldest daughter moved out and took the old Stevens bolt action repeater with her.
I remember hunting squirrels when I was a kid with a side by side 410. So much fun to shoot.
You know there are inexpensive semiauto 410 guns. You are correct we grow up hunting with them. I love them, they’re time machines that take you back to childhood for a brief moment.
My local gun shop has a beautiful 410 Holland & Holland with 2 sets if barrels and external hammers. And now this video drops. I guess I'm going back to that shop to ogle something I really shouldn't buy.
Where’s yer local gun shop? 🤔🤣🤣🤣
@@robertelliott827 Middleburg VA. Called David Condon's. It's not your average gun shop.
410 has the same muzzle energy per pellet as a 12ga. I see a lot of non-Americans talking about 28ga. Thing about 28ga in the US is that it is a hard to find, expensive, target only cartridge. Sure you could reload it. But 410 is far more popular, easier to find (even custom loads are easy to get), cheaper, and a wide variety of guns for it.
I can't even get 20ga where I am, not target loads, anyways. I can't even figure about anything even less common.
One of my favorite calibers. I love my.410
I have a webley and Scott 410 and I love it, it's a great bit of fun and I brought it from barbury as well.
One of the best return on investment for reloading
3" Fiochi #8 shot. out of a recently inherited old Savage .410 pump and I had a blast this trap league. My best was 21 this season, don't shoot other than this spring league for fun. You receive accolades for shooting the .410 and breaking clays. I figure you're either on or you ain't the gage matters little. But I love this little pump!
I love the 410. In December I'm going to buy another 410, Beretta 2 barrel set, 28 and 410.
99% I shoot 12ga but when at tournaments in Thailand we mostly got also side challenges, a 25 sporting layout with 3 pegs for side by side etc… I enjoy 28ga and 410 a lot as well every time.
Own 2 doubles 1 auto and 4 pumps and looking real hard at a lever the ammo is the hardest to get here in the states I got 3 28. Gauges and heavy shot is pricey but the challenge is there
I don't know if they're legal in the UK but revolvers like the Taurus Judge can shoot .410 and .45acp both.
410's were real common here in Australia back in the old days, they were primarily a house gun used by the lady of the house on deadly snakes like the Eastern Brown.
My first shotgun was an H&R Topper .410. The problem came when I went to the hardware store to buy a box of 25 Shells of either 2.5" or 3" and then looked a the boxes of 20 gauge, or 12 gauge with a price that was within a dollar. Thus the only way a .410 makes sense is to reload.
I have a early T/C Contender in 45LC/410. Great fun little pistol and a fine hiking gun.
Mossberg predator 410 in 2017.. SWEET..Bought 300+ shells when prices and supply were low.. Federal cheap were 9 something a box.. NOW16+ IF you can find..Have some of the exotic shells( flechette , sabot , 00 , 000 , 1/4oz slugs , and some number shot loads).. Better shot than my 5.56..Never give it up..Look around and have gotten some good ammo deals.. 50-65c round.. That i can shoot with.. SWEET SHOTGUN..
Respect is earned. Earn it you do #TGSoutdoors. I love my little Bretton bolt action 410. It's full length silenced and quieter than my .22 lr. Roost shooting near the stables it's just the job.
Bought a beautiful case hardened Huglu over and under for £450 at the Game Fair 2 years ago and it is awesome!!!!!