Thank you, I like the way you concluded with a suggestion to rewrite the commentary with modern knowledge and incorporate the correct knowledge from the past.
MashaAllah, I am so happy finally somebody adressing this topic, which was always hard to deal with for me as a convert. As I am very convinced by the theology of islam, this kind of exxaggerated stories always stirred small doubts. DjazakAllahu khairan.
Thank you Dr. Safiyyah Ally and Dr. Shabir Ally for this amazing series. also, "In the hijri calendar, he died in 911, an easy date to remember" is this some kind of a dark joke 😂.
Interestingly there is a story from ancient Babylon that matches this story. It's about Marduk, whose name resembles Marut, who is described as a king-god. Malak (angel) and Malik (king) have the same etymology, so I think the Malaika are not only special beings, they're like generic forces of God, they can be metaphysical, they can be also humans called like that as a sign of respect.
The answers to the deepest inquiries of our kind; Are to always be held in the rarest and can only be in full to try and grasp; by those tested years 10-20 years to leave with any count toward character. A worthy inquiry
@@blacktwitterforlaughs4743 I agree I love Al-Suyuti and have one of his books translated *and hopefully get more of his works* and enjoy reading it. But there is no way he wrote 1000 books, unless of course it’s little pamphlets but even then it can’t be 1000. I would say less then 100 🤷🏾♂️
By 1000 books it means booklets, some are repetitive looking at the same thing from different angles. They weren't like us, they spend the whole day in research, study, making notes extracting principles etc.
@@yourstruly5706 Would you defend Christianity or Judaism like that or some other religious system, or some sects...shia...suni...sufi.. ❔ Also tons of books, systems with "pedigree"... What you're on I've been there until I realised alot of things served like Islam are actually not...
05:40 Dr Shabir you gotta revise the selection of word “Deny” on this particular occasion because angels do not have free will to deny. Only Jin Azazil aka Iblees had free will to Deny The interpretation was angels asked Allah , we are told to pray for humans for the tests they are put in as superior beings then how they are creating such chaos and sinful acts on the earth being so special. Allah The Creator asked them to nominate 3 most pious among them to be put into test. 1 nominee was so scared that he withdrew and 2 were sent to the earth Haroot & Maroot I can understand you are trying to place simplest version of commentary on verses for modern western audience. However selection of words have to be precise since it may divert the civilized audience which are still unaware of no connection of Christians to Halloween or Santa Clause. I hope you understand my message.
Thank you so much for one amazing series after another! I'm excited to hear about Mariam getting pregnant with Isa, some people say that the Quran doesn't imply that it was a conception without a father. On the other hand, we have Parthenogenesis, a natural form of reproduction, where a female doesn't need a male to conserve. So it means the development of an embryo from an unfertilized egg cell. It only occurs in non-mammalian species and plants, but a few years ago Japanese scientists made a mouse get pregnant and give birth to a healthy mice without using a male genetic material or sperm.
This is most fascinating. Corresponding Biblical era is Neo-Babylonians with the famous King Nebuchadnezzar 605-562 BCE and the Prophets were Habakkuk, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Second Isaiah. This was followed Persian Period under King Cyrus who captures Babylon and decrees the return of Jews to Israel. The Study Quran has reference to Harut's and Marut's sinful ways in Babylon. Any sagacious review could perhaps revisit Biblical Prophets particularly of the longest book which is Jeremiah's. Benedetta Rossi gives the latest commentary on Jeremiah on pp 875-940 in The Jerome Biblical Commentary for the Twenty-First Century (t&tclark 2022).
Harut N marut brought angel worship for wishes and technology, magic as a test is what it sounds like, which they failed miserably, if you take the comentary away since Allah SWT didn't say those. The sheikh is right
I don't get it. Why the doubt? What about this is fantastical? The al-Qur'an spoke clearly about Harut and Marut being sent to Babylon, and that they taught magic to the people, at least one magic, that is how to cause a husband to be separated from his wife, but only through the permission of Allah. Allah SWT can create anything, just by the command "Be!", and whatever it is shall become. So why the doubt about something so small like what two angels did? Are you telling me that these occurrences are enough to shake your faith? If they are, then you really should take a long look at yourself.
ََسبحان الله وبحمده سبحان الله العظيم سبحان الله الحمد لله لا إله إلا الله الله أكبر ولا حول ولا قوة الا بالله العلي العظيم رب اغفرلي ولوالدي وللمؤمنين يوم يقوم الحساب
The children of Israel do not believe in fallen angels anymore than we do. Neither do the Zoroastrians; Wicked spirits are created by the Evil One, according to their tradition.
It may seem very hard to objectify the commentaries done by old scholars as per your statement, meanwhile your version being simpler evidently has somehow distorted the whole concept of angels in Islam where you have mentioned the phrase “ Angels deny”
In Quran 23:14, Allah explains the developing stages of the human embryo (fetus, human un-born child) inside the womb: (First) the bones are formed and developed, then (Second) the flesh grows and covers the bones. Quran 23:14 reads, “… Then of that clot we made a lump; then out of that lump (we made) bones and clothed the bones with flesh...” * This is a scientific nonsense - the fetus’s bones do not form first, then later covered by flesh. No embryologist has observed the skeleton of the fetus inside the womb prior to (or before) the flesh starts to grow around the skeleton. Both the bones and the flesh are formed or developed simultaneously (at the same time) - not one after the other. * Here, we can see the perfectly preserved, eternally un-created Quran, the book Muslims turn to for instructions on hatred, terror, and murder, has just put a “Fatwa” (Death Sentence) on every embryologist who refuses to say, “First, the bones of the fetus are formed and developed; and then later, the flesh grows over it.”
Why are they addressing commentaries of the Quran, when we know that these issues have already been resolved by the scholars of Ahl sunnah wal jammah.? Are they following the agenda of Shaitan and seeking to disparage the scholars themselves?
Yes, this is classic Quran. It cites a pagan, Jewish, Christian, or in this case, Zoroastrian myth with very little context or explanation, then goes on to state how this proves the wisdom or power of Allah, and leaves the reader thinking, "Huh?"
@@mohamedimohamedi8933 Quran is also corrupted. Ayah of stoning was a part of Quran and also breastfeeding of adult according to Umar and Ayesha. Surah Ahzaab was the size of Al-Baqarah but was lost. “Never say you got the full Quran but say we have what was …..?” You know who said this :) Many other narrations that put a question mark on not only the preservation but transmission of Quran too. Read your own books.
is he disrespecting the Angels? Allah didn't say anything bad about these angels, Allah said human killed them cruelly. Never gonna listen this guy, Modern American Alem trying his own opinion on Islam.
Compare the Quran' fantastical snippets about Solomon to the Bible's relatively sober and detailed account in 1 Kings 1-11. The Bible does not manipulate history to support its worldview but simply tells it as it is. Despite the tremendous wisdom and power of Solomon, extending the kingdom of Israel to unequaled earthly glory, he was unfaithful to God in seeking so many foreign alliances and women. This points true believers to a greater kingdom, a heavenly kingdom that could only be ushered in by the ultimate Son of David, Jesus the Messiah!
no, angel doesnt being give human desire.. its a jews myth.. God just send them down to babel as a test for ppl, they teach sihr/magic yes.. but its with the permission of God. no one can black magic ppl without God permission. Marut is Marduk or Amar Utu, for persian ppl they called Ameretat, which is an angel/divine being.. Marduk being called as God of Magic or God of well or water not for nothing.. its a test for babilonia or any ppl who want to learn magic.
no matter what baseless & self created false stories early interpretors of Quran had associated with the Quranic verses related to angels Harot & Marot هاروت و ما روت ، the verses themselves clearly declare that they were angels but their actions were SATANIC شيطانى # a Hadith also support which says " SATAN شيطان sends his agents across the world & when each agent returns & inform SATAN i did this today SATAN شيطان says U didn't do any thing but when one agent reports SATAN شيطان i have created a dispute between the wife & husband today & separated them , SATAN شيطان embrace the agent & says U did a great job #
Mzms do make fantastic story tellers. The stories are just plum dumb, but the story telling is off the charts. Not so much Ibn Fibbin footnote as he just keeps making a fool out of himself, but yes, mzms love their stories. I mean...who else has talking ants having regular 2 way conversations , thieving rocks that steal clothes and forgives, books that come to life and talk, flying donkeys to outer space and my personal favorite: a profit who has no prophecies!
@@oghanchi 25:45 says But the unbelievers say, "This is nothing but a lie which he has forged, and others have helped him do it...Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written; and they are dictated before him morning and evening." (Surah 25:4-5) So how/what did the Q writers do to handle or disprove this accusation? Attack the character of the accusers then simply repeat that the Q was brought down from heaven. So nothing has changed lol. But then elsewhere they contradict themselves, as they very often do, and admit it’s nothing but stories. They’re called “pretty stories” lol. When u remove all the "pretty stories" its reduced to a few pages of threats and warnings. “We relate to you the most pretty stories in what we reveal to you in this Qur'an.” Surah 12:3 Now what?
@@temporaryaccount5307 Quran 25:45 is talking about what pagans thought. You believe the pagans? Probably because you being a christian I suppose. Quran 12:3 is talking about story of Joseph so why wouldn't it be fantastic? It also states that Prophet didn't know about this prophet before. Now tell me this? Do you think Jesus is a lier? That's what the Jews thought about Jesus so if you are consistent in your logic then Jesus should be a lier, right?
@@phobos4k Thank you my brother, forget that Trinitarians Paulinian Roman Pagan Christain that believe in man made bible written by anonymous romans pagans illiterates drunkards. If he was consistant with fairytale according to his corrupted scripture. "Dead corps went into jerussalem and appear to many". Which historically is a lier. Professor Bart Earhman Says it all in his book. "FORGERY AND COUNTER FORGERY".
I pray Dr. Shabir will one day publish his commentary/translation of the Quran 🤲
I hope that he has been secretly working on it for years
Extremely humble man. A rare trait of people of influence in faith.
Alhamdulillaaaaah
So amazing
Thank you brother and sister for this new series
Thank you, I like the way you concluded with a suggestion to rewrite the commentary with modern knowledge and incorporate the correct knowledge from the past.
Sister is becoming my favorite interview hostess. Good questions from a Muslimah!!
MashaAllah, I am so happy finally somebody adressing this topic, which was always hard to deal with for me as a convert. As I am very convinced by the theology of islam, this kind of exxaggerated stories always stirred small doubts. DjazakAllahu khairan.
Thank you Dr. Safiyyah Ally and Dr. Shabir Ally for this amazing series.
also, "In the hijri calendar, he died in 911, an easy date to remember" is this some kind of a dark joke 😂.
Dr shabbir got no chill 😂😂
; اللهمَّ يا مصرِّف القلوب صرِّف قلوبنا إلى دينك، واهدنا وثبِّتنا وعافِنا واعفُ عنَّا ؛
آمِينٔ
Here is another fantastic story from the Quran ( in my opinion ) "God spoke the universe into existance" .
Jazakallah khayrun
Interestingly there is a story from ancient Babylon that matches this story. It's about Marduk, whose name resembles Marut, who is described as a king-god. Malak (angel) and Malik (king) have the same etymology, so I think the Malaika are not only special beings, they're like generic forces of God, they can be metaphysical, they can be also humans called like that as a sign of respect.
WRONG WRONG AND WRONG🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
marduk is amar utu.. and yes its marut
like how persia saying, haurvatat ameretat
Excellent analysis sir
The answers to the deepest inquiries of our kind;
Are to always be held in the rarest and can only be in full to try and grasp; by those tested years 10-20 years to leave with any count toward character. A worthy inquiry
How can someone write 1000 books in one lifetime. Impressive.
Who are you to doubt how dare you do you want me to cast a spell on you 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
It's a myth. It's not possible. Just humanly impossible.
Use reason.
@@blacktwitterforlaughs4743 I agree I love Al-Suyuti and have one of his books translated *and hopefully get more of his works* and enjoy reading it. But there is no way he wrote 1000 books, unless of course it’s little pamphlets but even then it can’t be 1000. I would say less then 100 🤷🏾♂️
By 1000 books it means booklets, some are repetitive looking at the same thing from different angles. They weren't like us, they spend the whole day in research, study, making notes extracting principles etc.
@@yourstruly5706 Would you defend Christianity or Judaism like that or some other religious system, or some sects...shia...suni...sufi.. ❔
Also tons of books, systems with "pedigree"...
What you're on I've been there until I realised alot of things served like Islam are actually not...
This man is the best best best explainer of the islam! This is in my opinion a true muslim. Ofcourse Allah knows best but he thinkssssssssss
Numbering the episodes on the cover photo is very cool. 👍
Thank you Br. Shabir for ditching that Mennonite style. Alhamdu Lillah.
Dr Shabir s extremely smart😮MashaAllah
05:40 Dr Shabir you gotta revise the selection of word “Deny” on this particular occasion because angels do not have free will to deny.
Only Jin Azazil aka Iblees had free will to Deny
The interpretation was angels asked Allah , we are told to pray for humans for the tests they are put in as superior beings then how they are creating such chaos and sinful acts on the earth being so special.
Allah The Creator asked them to nominate 3 most pious among them to be put into test.
1 nominee was so scared that he withdrew and 2 were sent to the earth Haroot & Maroot
I can understand you are trying to place simplest version of commentary on verses for modern western audience. However selection of words have to be precise since it may divert the civilized audience which are still unaware of no connection of Christians to Halloween or Santa Clause.
I hope you understand my message.
lots love to you all God's love 💘
May Allah keep you both ali's & your team. Very good topic allah enable to watch all of it.
Magic in Arabic means: deception (sihr), so any kind of evil deception is somehow siher.
Thank you so much for one amazing series after another!
I'm excited to hear about Mariam getting pregnant with Isa, some people say that the Quran doesn't imply that it was a conception without a father. On the other hand, we have Parthenogenesis, a natural form of reproduction, where a female doesn't need a male to conserve. So it means the development of an embryo from an unfertilized egg cell. It only occurs in non-mammalian species and plants, but a few years ago Japanese scientists made a mouse get pregnant and give birth to a healthy mice without using a male genetic material or sperm.
Key sentence “scientists made a mouse get pregnant”
@@MohamedShou so what? You think what can be done in a lab can't occur in nature?
@@walkingwith_dinosaurs Lab != Nature ... so no.
Salaam. Can you discuss one day about the marriages between non Muslims to female or male young Muslim especially in the west? Jazakullah khairun
This is most fascinating. Corresponding Biblical era is Neo-Babylonians with the famous King Nebuchadnezzar 605-562 BCE and the Prophets were Habakkuk, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Second Isaiah. This was followed Persian Period under King Cyrus who captures Babylon and decrees the return of Jews to Israel. The Study Quran has reference to Harut's and Marut's sinful ways in Babylon. Any sagacious review could perhaps revisit Biblical Prophets particularly of the longest book which is Jeremiah's. Benedetta Rossi gives the latest commentary on Jeremiah on pp 875-940 in The Jerome Biblical Commentary for the Twenty-First Century (t&tclark 2022).
the magic of ribah...
Harut N marut brought angel worship for wishes and technology, magic as a test is what it sounds like, which they failed miserably, if you take the comentary away since Allah SWT didn't say those.
The sheikh is right
A teacher and director of Shepard and directors
Is what I’ve been told by G-D since a child
To be ready or getting ready for
I don't get it. Why the doubt? What about this is fantastical?
The al-Qur'an spoke clearly about Harut and Marut being sent to Babylon, and that they taught magic to the people, at least one magic, that is how to cause a husband to be separated from his wife, but only through the permission of Allah.
Allah SWT can create anything, just by the command "Be!", and whatever it is shall become. So why the doubt about something so small like what two angels did? Are you telling me that these occurrences are enough to shake your faith? If they are, then you really should take a long look at yourself.
forget about venus, does the dr doubt the story of Harut and Marut? Angels tested and failed is a central profound consolation to us sons of Adam.
I enjoy this beautiful series
ََسبحان الله وبحمده
سبحان الله العظيم
سبحان الله
الحمد لله
لا إله إلا الله
الله أكبر
ولا حول ولا قوة الا بالله العلي العظيم
رب اغفرلي ولوالدي وللمؤمنين يوم يقوم الحساب
The children of Israel do not believe in fallen angels anymore than we do. Neither do the Zoroastrians; Wicked spirits are created by the Evil One, according to their tradition.
Who is Venus, I never heard of her ( From an Islamic perspective )?
Oh ..what's her name..Jewish tradition..
@@techknowsimply365 Ishtar?
This is jewish tradition and goes against islam.
These stories are made to degrade angels
Someone's misguided modernist is someone else rightly guided traditionalist...and that floats...
It may seem very hard to objectify the commentaries done by old scholars as per your statement, meanwhile your version being simpler evidently has somehow distorted the whole concept of angels in Islam
where you have mentioned the phrase “ Angels deny”
Please also translate in Urdu language
Babil is before the flood of Nûh (Alayhi salam) ! Babylone is after the flood time of the sumerian peuples !
In Quran 23:14, Allah explains the developing stages of the human embryo (fetus, human un-born child) inside the womb: (First) the bones are formed and developed, then (Second) the flesh grows and covers the bones. Quran 23:14 reads, “… Then of that clot we made a lump; then out of that lump (we made) bones and clothed the bones with flesh...”
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This is a scientific nonsense - the fetus’s bones do not form first, then later covered by flesh. No embryologist has observed the skeleton of the fetus inside the womb prior to (or before) the flesh starts to grow around the skeleton. Both the bones and the flesh are formed or developed simultaneously (at the same time) - not one after the other.
*
Here, we can see the perfectly preserved, eternally un-created Quran, the book Muslims turn to for instructions on hatred, terror, and murder, has just put a “Fatwa” (Death Sentence) on every embryologist who refuses to say, “First, the bones of the fetus are formed and developed; and then later, the flesh grows over it.”
Shut up
Why are they addressing commentaries of the Quran, when we know that these issues have already been resolved by the scholars of Ahl sunnah wal jammah.? Are they following the agenda of Shaitan and seeking to disparage the scholars themselves?
Yes, this is classic Quran. It cites a pagan, Jewish, Christian, or in this case, Zoroastrian myth with very little context or explanation, then goes on to state how this proves the wisdom or power of Allah, and leaves the reader thinking, "Huh?"
QuranIc stories were also taken from the legends that existed before. Nothing divine. You don’t need super intellect to figure that out
Other books are corrupted we have Quran in our hearts
@@mohamedimohamedi8933
Quran is also corrupted. Ayah of stoning was a part of Quran and also breastfeeding of adult according to Umar and Ayesha.
Surah Ahzaab was the size of Al-Baqarah but was lost.
“Never say you got the full Quran but say we have what was …..?”
You know who said this :)
Many other narrations that put a question mark on not only the preservation but transmission of Quran too. Read your own books.
is he disrespecting the Angels? Allah didn't say anything bad about these angels, Allah said human killed them cruelly. Never gonna listen this guy, Modern American Alem trying his own opinion on Islam.
Isn't Iblis fallen angel?
No he is a jinn
@@Sorel366 Angel jinn
@@NedimTabakovic go read quran and stop being ignorant
@@dodom.8741 Thank you I do... and who is ignorant here you or me?
18:50
Again educate yourself & don’t embarrass yourself further
Compare the Quran' fantastical snippets about Solomon to the Bible's relatively sober and detailed account in 1 Kings 1-11. The Bible does not manipulate history to support its worldview but simply tells it as it is. Despite the tremendous wisdom and power of Solomon, extending the kingdom of Israel to unequaled earthly glory, he was unfaithful to God in seeking so many foreign alliances and women. This points true believers to a greater kingdom, a heavenly kingdom that could only be ushered in by the ultimate Son of David, Jesus the Messiah!
no, angel doesnt being give human desire.. its a jews myth.. God just send them down to babel as a test for ppl, they teach sihr/magic yes.. but its with the permission of God. no one can black magic ppl without God permission.
Marut is Marduk or Amar Utu, for persian ppl they called Ameretat, which is an angel/divine being..
Marduk being called as God of Magic or God of well or water not for nothing.. its a test for babilonia or any ppl who want to learn magic.
no matter what baseless & self created false stories early interpretors of Quran had associated with the Quranic verses related to angels Harot & Marot هاروت و ما روت ، the verses themselves clearly declare that they were angels but their actions were SATANIC شيطانى # a Hadith also support which says " SATAN شيطان sends his agents across the world & when each agent returns & inform SATAN i did this today SATAN شيطان says U didn't do any thing but when one agent reports SATAN شيطان i have created a dispute between the wife & husband today & separated them , SATAN شيطان embrace the agent & says U did a great job #
Save Palestine
😢, off scholar
Mzms do make fantastic story tellers. The stories are just plum dumb, but the story telling is off the charts. Not so much Ibn Fibbin footnote as he just keeps making a fool out of himself, but yes, mzms love their stories. I mean...who else has talking ants having regular 2 way conversations , thieving rocks that steal clothes and forgives, books that come to life and talk, flying donkeys to outer space and my personal favorite: a profit who has no prophecies!
Islam and fairy tales 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@oghanchi no...says even ur Q. In fact, the writers of ur many Q’s admit mhamed was thought to be just a story teller.
@@oghanchi 25:45 says But the unbelievers say, "This is nothing but a lie which he has forged, and others have helped him do it...Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written; and they are dictated before him morning and evening." (Surah 25:4-5)
So how/what did the Q writers do to handle or disprove this accusation? Attack the character of the accusers then simply repeat that the Q was brought down from heaven. So nothing has changed lol.
But then elsewhere they contradict themselves, as they very often do, and admit it’s nothing but stories. They’re called “pretty stories” lol. When u remove all the "pretty stories" its reduced to a few pages of threats and warnings.
“We relate to you the most pretty stories in what we reveal to you in this Qur'an.” Surah 12:3
Now what?
@@temporaryaccount5307 Quran 25:45 is talking about what pagans thought. You believe the pagans? Probably because you being a christian I suppose. Quran 12:3 is talking about story of Joseph so why wouldn't it be fantastic? It also states that Prophet didn't know about this prophet before.
Now tell me this? Do you think Jesus is a lier? That's what the Jews thought about Jesus so if you are consistent in your logic then Jesus should be a lier, right?
@@phobos4k Thank you my brother, forget that Trinitarians Paulinian Roman Pagan Christain that believe in man made bible written by anonymous romans pagans illiterates drunkards. If he was consistant with fairytale according to his corrupted scripture. "Dead corps went into jerussalem and appear to many". Which historically is a lier. Professor Bart Earhman Says it all in his book. "FORGERY AND COUNTER FORGERY".
@@phobos4k am not talking about Jesus,I said the Quran is full of tales
He's daughter actually 😅
best collaboration.
4:30 lol