ITV in the Face Episode 9: Tyne Tees
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Made in 2015 to celebrate 60 years of ITV, a look back at a time when it wasn't a single channel but a conglomerate of regional channels, all with their own idents and identity: occasionally bizarre, often charming, this is the show that looks the history of ITV in the face.
Episode nine: Tyne Tees. The Local Heroes, starring Colin Weston (again), Annie St. John (again) and Bruce Gyngell (yet again)
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'And if you're on your own right now I'd like to wish you a special goodnight.' Awww, thank you Neville, goodnight (I'm not crying, you are.) Everyone was just a bit more gentle and kind then weren't they? I miss that.
I know. 💯🤝🏽
"Also its initials spelt twat" delivered in the way it is here gets me every time. Very well done documentary with good humour!
Similar care prevented us from the creation of the "City University of Newcastle, Tyneside" and the "Sunderland Higher Institute of Technology and Engineering".
Can you tell I grew up in Whitley Bay.
Combining the "Tyne, Weir and Tees" situation with the (allegedly apocryphal) "Scottish Highlands and Islands" plan that Grampian nearly went with, makes me wonder why they had such naff quality control...
Out of all the ITV In The Face episodes, this is my favourite. I'm a regular visitor to the North East and Newcastle, and over in our region in Border, we got a lot of Tyne Tees' local programmes. They might not have had the clout that Thames or Granada or even Anglia had, but they made their presence known from Day 1, and they never went away. Scale wise, they were possibly on par with Scottish or HTV, but they made some great programming. I even have a Tyne Tees T shirt, that logo is a classic.
Living most of my life on the border between south and west yorkshire, I used to be able to get tyne tees on the portable telly in my bedroom and it did seem a bit...warmer. Upon reflection I do think YTV was overall a better station purely cos of their national output, but tyne tees always had the friendly in vision continuity which Yorkshire always lacked (though I do also think IVC looked a bit cheap, it was also a nice change of pace from a spinning chevron or just still slides).
I was so tickled by good old Tyne Tees almost ending up as TWAT TV, I actually created a Facebook page with fake adverts and continuity scripts under the name Tyne, Wear and Tees Independent Television - TWATIT TV for short.
@The Three Group m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=354511741333437&ref=content_filter
@The Three Group we started out as the (fake)Church of Smiteology, then changed the name to Smite TV before going with TWATIT TV. I stopped regular updates a couple of years ago (as you will see, a lot of the stuff is out of date and no longer relevant) but feel free to.share and contribute if you wish. Hope you enjoy a taste of TWATIT xx
I'm gonna check out ur TWAT on Facebook. 👍🏽😅
"TWAT Television...in the face" would have been hilarious!
3:11
Only introducing Coronation Street, not declaring war! Fabulous. 😂
6:48
I Really enjoyed that. Geoff Phillips - author of the book, Memories of Tyne Tees Television.
The IBA had a "three strikes and you are out" policy referred to as "black marks" for causing offence or otherwise unacceptable behavior. If the company received three of these; they would lose the franchise. Only two black marks were every issued.
Both to Tyne Tees.
Both because of the actions of one man;
Jools Holland. Legend! What a groovy fella.
3:10 - Oh the joy of having ITV TWAT as your region. Was TWAT even a phrase known back in 1959?
correct it's TTTV
Tyne Tees and Border: the punching bags of the ITV network brass.
Independent television podium
1.Granada💐
2.Tyne tees💐 3.Thames💐
13:10 I expect a lot of things from this series. Paul Harvey references? Can't say that was one of them. 😂
Cross Wits was my first experience of the TTTV logo. This moderately dyspraxic five year old couldn't work out where they were from, or what a 'tyne' was, and how one 'tees' a television. Seriously, it looked like a sentence more than a company name to me when it was written down. Gawd knows how I'd have handled "North East 3".
I saw the last logo around age 12, as part of YTT, at the end of episodes of Countdown before the generic look arrived, but of course didn't know about that at the time, so I wondered what the hell Tyne Tees was doing making one of Yorkshire's shows.
You can imagine a very playful ident (if they had gone with Tyne, Wear And Tees title)....The initials of T-W-A-T 😆😂😅😅😅 floating around gracefully across the telly box screen😁😂😂😅😅😆😅
September 1996 brought us "Channel 3 North East", "Channel 3 in the North East" and the ultimate variation "This is Tyne Tees Television broadcasting on Channel 3 in the North East!" which inevitably preceded the equally snappy "now with the time at six o'clock, North East Tonight with Mike Neville".
He's basically Jago Hazzard of television
Well made point
Is it just me who thinks the 3 lines in the 1991 logo are an ode to the Three Rivers?
Great stuff! Regards the continuity announcers/newsreaders - no mention of the late Kathy Secker, Bill Steel or Paul Frost?
The "Channel 3" thing was utter shite. I remember in Yorkshire, the announcer would have to say, "Come home to Channel 3, Yorkshire Television". What rubbish. I bet Redvers Kyle baulked at it, it barely made any sense whatsoever.
7:35 Three Rivers Fantasy was dropped in 1982 for a simplified announcement over the TTT and IBA logos AFAIK
Of course the great Mike Neville MBE who I grew up with sadly passed away in September of 2017 at the age of 80 in Gateshead following a short illness caused by cancer. His real name was James Armstrong Briggs.
Television Royalty, who turned down a permanent gig on Nationwide to stay in the toon, and don't forget his one time co-conspirator, George.
The real king and queen of Tyne Tees were Bill Steel and Kathy Secker and neither of them got a mention here, for shame!
Also, with Tyne Tees being my station, this episode had me genuinely shaking my head in dismay.
Cathy Secker’s daughter Jane works for sky news.
As a teen of the 80s I associate the TTTV ident with Razzmatazz, sometimes presented by a teenage Lisa Stansfield. Loved that show!
Ra Ra Ra Ra
Well, apart from the 12 weeks where the entire network was brought to an complete sreeching halt by monumental industrial action.
I can say that the music selection here for the intro and outro on this one is the best out of the whole series.
As someone who grew up in a major River city in America (New Orleans/ Mississippi River) that opening song hits me as when my dad was My age (OK a few years older than I am now (2021) the cities economics fell off a cliff due to the Oil Bust in 86. The area also took another massive hit when Katrina came in in 2005. You can also say the same for Detroit and St Louis along with the whole rustbelt can affiliate with that opening song by Jimmy Nail.
It probably didn't help Tyne Tees when Yorkshire created their "Turn to Yorkshire" ad in the 80s?
Yes I agree with you!! It all adds to that point that 'Tyne Tees deserved better". I'm sure Tyne Tees also made Barriers - wasn't it a kind of cold war themed drama series for older children??
They were no longer bound by Trident in 1982, so the truce was off.
I really like the TTTV 1991 ident. Except for the overlit one, that sucks
at 14:28 we call it acieed by d-mob
Thanks. Quite a bit of great music used in this series. Not always credited. Thank goodness for YT comments.
29:23 OMG Sir Nigel Gresley
Used to love watching Supergran with my gran, happy memories
What is the ‘off the shelf’ music for Channel 3 NE please?
Did you have a copy please?
@Dark Dragon 772 how incredibly rude of you. All the best
2:40 - 3:13 - My favorite! Including the last one.
The 1979 version of the Tyne Tees ident is the one I always remember, as it preceded episodes of Supergran shown across the ITV network in the early 80s, when I was a kid. I think it was their strongest ident; great logo, a captivating form-up and a distinctive jingle (far better than the trumpeted military style fanfare previously used). Although I liked the 1989 generic ITV logo, I agree that the pennant shape in the V of ITV simply didn't lend itself to encapsulating the regional logos in a particularly recognisable way.
The updated TTTV logo in the early 90s reduced it from a clever stylised emblem to an arrangement of four separate capital letters. The jingle was equally disappointing.
I could see the logic of using the Channel 3 name, as ITV occupied the third button on television sets. Even the ITC referred to ITV franchises as Channel 3 licences.
However, having triple branding for the regional stations made no sense at all; A Tyne Tees Television Production for Channel 3 North East on ITV. It was almost as ridiculous as the period when HTV News was a Carlton Production for ITV1 Wales!
The final TTTV logo was actually rather a nice piece of graphic design. Just a pity it was only seen locally. Furthermore it was lamentable that the new design was not the version that appeared on 1999 generic hearts idents. So the station had two different versions of the TTTV logo in use on screen at the same time; the sort of unprofessional inconsistency that demonstrated that the parent company simply couldn't care less about Tyne Tees. And so it's identity and very reason for existing faded away along with regional television elsewhere across the country.
Tyne Wear and Tees! Being from the Tees area I peed myself laughing at the word the letters spelt! 🤣🤣
That '96-'98 production caption is just total rubbish. "A Tyne Tees Television presentation for Channel 3 North East" really doesn't make much sense. If it said "A Tyne Tees Television (or Channel 3 North East) production (for ITV/Channel Four) etc., then that would of been fine.
Honestly, the idea was supposed to be that Tyne Tees Television *is* the Channel 3 North East branding. But no, whoever devised that card likely thought there may of been a seperate *company* called Channel 3 North East and threw it in there without thinking.
Burnhope - posh!? 😆 When I was a kid it was known as "the Stone Age village".
As a kid in the 80s Tyne Tees logo was a wonder. I always saw a potted flower to be honest.
I found this strangely soothing. I love the old TT graphics. The later ones are awful but I was out drinking by that point so didn’t watch much telly. Great episode, very funny.
5:12 Granada: *Coughing*
What a nice man Bruce Gyngell was. Deciding he did not want to see salacious programmes on Yorkshire and Tyne Tees he refused to show The Good Sex Guide and Hollywood Lovers, plus threatened legal action against a person who did a spoof site of Tyne Tees.
To be honest, if you'd seen that Margi Clark Good Sex Guide it was yet another example of utter shite brought to you by Carlton.
I remember them on Yorkshire, opting out from the network for Hollywood Lovers, was that the Jackie Collins thing?
@@robertcomer2767 Just to think that Carlton won the franchise from Thames even under the so-called "quality threshold", what a load of bo**ocks! Quality does not equal Carlton. Won only because Thames did the famous Death on the Rock documentary & that Carlton were a personal friend of the Thatcher's!
Must admit I can't listen to the Local Hero theme, without thinking of it's use by BBC Late Night Radio In The Midlands as it finished for the night, up to opting into 5 Live!
Why didn't you upload ITV in the Face Episode 8: Wales. Was it because of copyright?
I did, I did, I just almost forgot so it's out of order. It came along after episode 11 I think.
Sorry about that but I checked your channel out and I found it in the end, you were right so thank you.
Colin Weston is a legend.
In your Yellow pages retrospectively you missed the JR Hartley homage it was called Davey lately.
A lot of famous broadcasters have worked for Tyne-Tees
I kinda missed the way the old one had the entire damn Three Rivers Fantasy
That was by mistake, though.
@@applemask Serendipity :)
29:13 - the NRM in tyne tees?
York is in the Tyne Tees region, yes. The visit I allude to here was to Northallerton, just north of it, and I kept asking why it wasn't Yorkshire Television on ITV.
I remember some great kids shows that Tyne Tees put out on the network including Razzamatazz, (not Runaround though) 😉 and Supergran. 👍 As a lad in the Yorkshire region, I would try my best to receive a decent picture from Tyne Tees, as they would, more often than not, have a different favourite show on in the same time slot. I was a bit envious when some of my friends homes could pick up both stations strongly enough.
Runaround was made by Southern Television not Tyne Tees.
@@AllenJeremy I think I was 3 at the time, when trying to recall this, gimme a break! 😁😉
What was that noise behind you when you said "off-the-shelf music"?
No idea.
Can anyone whom understands socioeconomic things explain to a dummy like me how once free market capitalisation became the ideology we had to embrace , radio & tv media in England at least appeared to become the opposite by becoming national sized & generic ? since the late 1980s all independent city , sub region or district sized radio stations were gobbled by bigger & bigger fish resulting in the bland rubbish of Heart Capital & regional ( as far as advertising ,headline murder or stabbings & traffic news) rubbish such as Wave 105 & Sam etc & as your series demonstrates, all regional identities were erased . I thought this was exactly what Thatcherland wasn’t supposed to be like. 😐
Because a secret of free market capitalism, by dint of it being "free" in the sense of being unfettered and unregulated, is that once a company grows large enough to become a corporation, it gains the power to buy out and thus eliminate all competition that it can afford to, which turns it into a rabid cannibal of sorts.
Once it's bought out and eliminated the small fry, it'll attack the bigger fish, until it eventually gets to a point where there's a duopoly or triopoly or so, each of which is trying to outcompete the other players in the game, until the point that one becomes so much more popular, so much bigger, so much stronger than the others, that it dismantles all semblance of competition.
At that point, the strongest, fittest corporation of all ceases to serve the public. The public serves the corporation.
There's no such thing as "competition" in a free market capitalist economy. There's only sheer barbarity, disguising itself with the mask of serving the public.
What's the name of the stand-up comic in the episode?
Bobby Thompson, the Little Waster.
Oh n no mention of Bill Steel and Kathy Secker? Really? Oh dear!
Off to Newcastle next week for the first time. The end credits for this is getting me hyped.
I'd tune in to TWAT TV XD
Ken Morse. Legend
You missed out the rather fab 40th ident which had a nod to the original ident
Never seen that one before, would like to see that, are there any links to it a anywhere?
@@Sheffield_Steve its here ua-cam.com/video/zXRLzer3i3w/v-deo.html
Loved that Ruby coloured logo.
It appears just before the end of the video.
@@robalexander8065 you're seeing things. Just watched it again, nope
A Captain's Tale (1982) Tyne Tees' great portrayal of West Auckland winning the first version of a World Cup for soccer teams back in 1910.
A true story with a sad end. Some swine filched the cup back in 1993. Never to be seen again.......
Interesting take on the Tyne Tees story. Perhaps the biggest contribution to the ITV network in the 80's was Tyne Tees music television productions. The experienced gained with the Tube for Channel 4 while at the same time producing Razzmatazz for ITV lead to the Top Of The Pops rival in 1987 called The Roxy based on the ILR Network Chart which few people were familiar with. Sadly it lasted less than a year but the production values were superb and Tyne Tees really made an effort with it at first. You can still see clips of this programme on rather naff music channels like Vevo when they show some pop acts, rather than show the official videos will show Roxy performances.
ITV could have just put a stylised two-T'S device (like already exists in numerous examples from local history) on their one, and everyone would have known what it stood for. Most likely the same applies to their others but this one was the most obvious one for me to want to say something about it.
10:47 Wasn't this the clip where Noel Edmonds long before the "Gotcha" got Mike Neville on The Late Late Breakfast Show? Either way, he did still hold it together.
Can never understand why with the 1989 generic look, the Tyne Tees logo in the triangle was not shifted over more to the left. Also, it seemed to be the only one to have a brown backdrop at the start.
Tyne Tees news presenter Ian Payne delivered a great line when 2014 generic ITV regional news look came into being. “This is ITV news from Tyne Tees Television”
There's actually four rivers in North-east England. The Tyne, The Wear, The Tees and The Tweed.
“Big River” by Jimmy Nail and Mark Knopfler at the start (after the opening titles).
Ain’t no doubt is my fave song from Jimmy Nail
Can someone please help me out? I need to know the name of the typeface used in the 1980s that spells out "Tyne Tees" in title case or all caps. It's bugging me because I think it's the same typeface I've seen used a lot in Japan to for numbers and anything written in Latin letters since forever, and it looks kinda blocky but it's so bloody sleek.
I think it's some variation on Eurostile or Microgramma.
I remember a brilliant series called, "Barriers". It was about a young man tracing his origins from the USSR invasion of Hungary. Benedict Taylor was the lead actor.
Me too. Cold Sunday afternoons back in 1981!
Sad there is no mention of 80s Presenter Rod Griffiths. The inspiration for Roger Mellie!
Your tried to focus it on the idents but made it a crash course on itv
Oh well?
@@BobtheFishProductions a great old track by fleetwood mac,the original fleetwood mac,sometimes as your docu about tttv demonstrated original is best.