By this time years of campaigning, poor food, stress, and various ailment had taken a terrible toll on Napoleon. At times his ailments were so serious that he would need to rest in the middle of battle and pass command to his subordinates. At the Battle of Jena his guard had to form a protective square while he napped. The same thing happened at Borodino. Having an actor that's twenty years too old at this point doesn't bother me. If this guy played him during Napoleon's first Italian campaign then I'd be pissed.
The war had aged all these guys much faster. Look at a later portrait of Marshall Lannes. He wasn’t an old man by a long shot, yet ALL of his hair had turned Snow White. All the years Napoleon wages war... That’s a long time to be stressed out to the extreme.
@@malachimatcho7583 I agree the stress must have been immense. In fact, I wonder how not all of these men looked like they were in their 70's, including Napoleon and Ney.
@@jaskiers8951 Yes true! I remember running into a few dudes from high school who were studs. They were athletic, blonde haired, had every girl chasing them, etc. When I ran into these guys after college, they looked like they aged 15 years. Most of them lost hair, got fat, etc, and that was from too much partying, drinking and books. These guys didn't have to walk from New Jersey to the UK and back, or witness tons of their friends being decapitated by canon balls, eating terrible food or not eating at all, walking around in your wool suit in mid summer, etc, etc. I think 90% of all people glorifying Napoleon, Alexander, etc, would drop out after a week of being in their armies. What those guys went through, I don't even think we can truly wrap our head around.
There is only one Davout. If Davout can be at Paris suppressing opposition, AND lead the detachment chasing the Prussians, AND lead the vanguard at Quatre Bras, AND be Napoleon's wingman on the field, OR even earlier, be in Spain to fight Wellington.... but there is only one Davout.
Napoléon and Davout weren't in good terms after Napoleon started to make basic attacks in battlefield. In Russia (Borodino), Davout wanted to attack to the left flank as he used to in Wagram, Austerlitz and Heylau. Napoleon prefered attacked straight in front. They were often in contest with each other so Napoleon takes him away as often as he could. Napoleon said in his memorial : Murat (for cavalry), Berthier (Soult didn't do well replacing him) and Bessiere (for imperial gards) were missing at Waterloo. But despite that, a lot of good generals were also missing for the 100 jours.
@@freewal He wasn't jealouse because he trust him giving command of Eckmül thrown and always gave him important post. I think they had not the same vision of politics and tactics so they were trying to work separetly.
I find Bertier to be fascinating because he served in the American Revolution as a junior officer during the Battle of Yorktown. He was known as Napoleon's best staff officer and if that is him speaking he certainly is showing his talent. He didn't seem to have much luck as a field commander, but I think Napoleon missed him during his attempt to take back power. He was killed or accidentally fell from a balcony before he could join Napoleon during the Hundred Days.
chief of staffs job is logistics, analyzing topography and terrains whether it is suitable for our army to cross or send messages to different commanders for troop movements and destinations
One odd thing about the scene at the end is when Napoleon says they will march to Kaluga because Kutuzov is there. That is not why he marched the army in that direction. He did it because the route the Grand Armee had taken to Moscow had been picked clean and they needed fresh lands on which they could forage on their way back west. For his part, Kutuzov would have wanted battle with Napoleon, because time was running short before winter began and any significant delay for Napoleon reaching winter quarters would prove fatal.
"Let us, for God's sake, move out for military reasons or stay for military reasons! And let us FORGET ABOUT ALEXANDER and concentrate on SUPPLIES" -Marshal Berthier. Napoleon's Greatest Chief of Staff.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I only took that because at 3:22, Napoleon said "There's truth in that, Davout" after 'Berthier' inserted about being away from Paris for six months.
@@Rumpelstyltskin Didn't it was that he fell on the stairs and broke his neck? I could be wrong on this one. It was a long time since I read about his death.
@@justinian-the-great a murky episode, but "official accounts" cite a window as his last known position ante mortem. I would very much like to have a look at this series in its entirety as I tend to find English speaking tv/movies are rather limited and kinda biased in the anti French opposition's favour. Throughout the Consulate and Empire periods, France rarely was first to declare war and primarily fought wars of defence. This "second polish" campaign which culminated in the capture of Moscow was just an extension of previous wars; the only way to defeat GB (later UK) was to introduce a restriction on imports from that country. Britain had the raw materials (eminating from its colonies) and the manufacturing capability (made in GB), what it needed was markets. Napoleon sought to curtail this with the introduction of the continental system, Russia through dire economic necessity broke this and openly traded with GB. Napoleon needed to rectify and invaded in 1812...the rest is history.
Napoleon said he would not make the same mistake as Charles ll did 100 years before, that of seeing his limits and turning south to supply the army and reach Moscow from a Southerly route but rather Napoleon would PRESS ON into a waiste land only to capture a burning warehouse. Napoleon found himself in the same situation in Moscow as Charles Xll at Smolensk, a hungry army with no supplies and winter comming on. Horse meet would not last long and with no bread death was certain. A General who has won several victories but only lost a few can see he has done well. But when he has not feed his army for even a week he faces disastor for hunger does not go over and the army soon melts into the ground from starvation. Napoleon had no choice but to retreat if he was to save any part of The Grand Army. Perhapes he thought he could beat the winter and reach Smolensk in time.
schizoidboy Our logical effort was very successful we built massive supply bases around the country that supplied our troops wherever they were, even in the most remote parts of the country. Our Strategic bombing campaign intended to sap NVA/VC supply and unit movements was a frustratingly inefficient. Our ground strategy to rack up a “body count” and to destroy the main NVA/VC (Battalion, Regimental,Brigade, and Division sized) units was a failure due to the enemies uncanny ability to vanish into the mountain, jungles, and swamps typically they would also cross the neutral borders of Laos or Cambodia. One of our biggest failures of the war was the Chu Hoi program which would relocate peasant farmers to massive plots to better concentrate their populations so they wouldn’t be within communist influences created even more mistrust and overall worsened our relationship with the local communities and people. A corrupt South Vietnamese government was a constant issue that complicated relations as well. 2 Men I believe are to be blamed for our military effort failures they also in a certain capacity are to blame for our political failures in Vietnam to. They are William Westmoreland and Robert McNamara, but saying that from the benefit of hindsight isn’t necessarily a good argument. Anyhow the War in Vietnam was unnecessary and very very unfortunate, and even today as far as strategy we are still making the same mistakes. That is my short take on the war.
David Chandler, Tony Brett James and Chis Duffy were the military advisors. It shows here very clearly. This scene isn't in the book or any other film of it. Just in what they discuss here can be used for an excellent study about the dangers of strategic over extension and/or the fatal flaw of Napoleoinic warfare, I.e. the reliance of seeking and getting decisive battles - until you don't get them.
I dont understand how communication was possible between armed forces in these days. it was like 90 years more before the radio was even invented. always boggled my mind how they could plan so intricately with no way to communicate over long distances.
There were a few methods; the French had an interesting advantage with their novel telegraph system - a series of towers relaying coded messages - developed by Claude Chappé as far back as 1793. Napoléon expanded it and a message that would normally take a rider days could be delivered in *hours* . Other nations tried to copy it with varying success. In Russia, it became a difficult setting up a mobile version across the Russian plains. So the French had a way to deliver *simple* messages over long distances. There were of course hand-delivered written messages that had a clever safeguard against enemy interception; soldiers could eat it or carry it in the barrel of a loaded pistol, firing and destroying it if they encountered an enemy. Often two copies of important messages were sent. Napoléon was also demanding on forms and paperwork; precision was key. Even the Marshals of France - the most powerful men of France - could have their pay docked for filling out a form incorrectly.
he’d beaten their army in battle, occupied a major city which was practically a joint capital with petersberg, and could not expect Russians to burn down their own city. By the rules of war of that era, he should have won. Russia acted above and beyond in this war, so you can’t blame napoleon for doing the obvious thing, beating Russia’s army and then occupying their historic capital. By rights that was victory, but the Russians played a new game.
@@rhysnichols8608 When we (Americans) poke the Russian bear today, your words "...but the Russians...." at the end should be graven in everyone's memory.
Davout and Berthier are relatively well portraied. But Napoleon look like he is older than 60. Why are so many movies about the Napoeonic age but so few actors who gave a good performance as the Emperor.
Apart from the grey hair, it's not a bad Napoleon. I think Berthier was more round-faced than the actor playing him but otherwise not bad either. The other two officers, on the other hand have facial hair that makes them look as if they were borrowed from the Crimean war.
@@fransbuijs808 You'd need to find French actors, or there's a chance they'd sound like the French soldier on the battlements in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail". "I fart in your general direction", "Fecher la vache!"
Alright but you didn't control Russia from Saint Petersburg, you did from Moscow which was in the middle of their heartland. That's why Napoleon went to it. Not to mention some of the most important Russian cities were on that route.
lollllllllll, would be funny if that was the reason he lost Napoleon: "how can you be defeated if you occupy the capital of your enemy" Bertier: "............ St petersburg is the actual capital sire" Napoleon: "............... ........ ............ O SHIT FUCK" LOL
The value I find in Napoleon's campaign in Russia is that the war is an unpredictable beast. Once it is awakened it does not guarantee victory for those who started it.
It seems Napoleon rarely has been portrayed accurately in film treatments over the years, in terms of physical appearance. Usually too tall and/or too old. Even worse, probably, as an outright caricature. And often as a maniacal warmonger, which, in truth, I don't believe he was. It's been several years ago now but I've seen this version of "W & P" & think I recall being relatively pleased with the Little Corporal's portrayal in it, at least in terms of his basic personality. I haven't yet watched this particular video-clip.
Troops started deserting the moment Napoleon crossed the Russian border. Many of the German recruits deserted on the way to Moscow so his army was considerably less than 600,000 when he fought at Borodino.
Actually it does on occasion Napoleon would hesitate. Lets not forget he is 1,764 miles from Paris as well he is losing thousand of men to desertion every day. If he leaves Moscow he knows he probably wont ever be able to return. He needs to win now not next year.
God, what a genius this man was! Yes, invading Russia was a tragic mistake of immense proportions but in this one scene alone, Napoleon's brilliance shines. The important thing is, he's willing to accept the situation & retreat. The fact he hesitates, not only is incredibly suspenseful, but highlights the Corsican's thought processes & fighting-spirit. One really feels for this Emperor. Great scene, great man, clearly one of the greatest, possibly THE greatest, in all of human history!
Which napoleon film is this? Brando's? But that is Desiree (1954) and Brando is young in that film (someone mentioned this is Brando but I can't tell).
Napoleon he won that that's war between France and Russia!!! Waterloo battle he lost and the reason why, because he was betrayed!!! But I'm still like his he is genius and he's talent!!!🗼🎆🎊🥃
He lost because Prussians learned from him after he learned from them (Frederick The Great). They fucked Marechal Grouchy and came to Waterloo to stop the english defeat.
@@geert574 the historical image's of makeshift hospitals Windows and doorways filled with amputated limbs to block the wind is about as surreal as even Jackson could conjure.
They're not wearing epaulettes on their shoulders, and they don't speak. So, maybe they're Davout & Berthier's staff officers who were asked to attend the meeting? Just a guess.
hunter371 you’re an imbecile. Napoleon didn’t speak English with a French accent either... These are English actors and it is a drama, not a reconstruction.
@@nickrad6966 A poor one that has a bunch of Frenchman speaking with English accents. Watch John Adams to get an idea of how you should have people from other lands speak.
@@hunter371 Yes but they're playing English people speaking in English. If we're going to be totally accurate by your exacting standards, no one should play a character in a foreign language as it isn't an accurate representation. An accent is even more laughable. The only solution is to ban people from playing Napoleon, Stalin, any historical figure etc. from the entire English speaking world, unless they're fluent in French or Russian and are also excellent at the respective dialects too...
Con otros jefes habría ganado en Waterloo? Hipótesis cuando menos temeraria. Ligny fue ganado por Ney pero no explotó el triunfo; Quattre Bra fue un empate táctico; Wellington cuando niño se dice que conoció Waterloo; Napoleón no tenía idea de cómo era el terreno. Siempre que un contrincante escoge el terreno para pelear lleva la ventaja. Siempre el que defiende, si tiene buenos jefes lleva la ventaja. El que ataca a otro que defiende debe tener suficiente superioridad de fuerzas y de medios para asegurar el triunfo. Napoleón tenía más caballería pero menos infantería que Wellington. Napoleón siempre se caracterizó por ser un buen administrador de la artillería, pero en Waterloo, disparando en elevación y en un terreno todavía encharcado, llevaba las de perder. Finalmente, aún suponiendo un triunfo de Napoleón, no se debe olvidar que dos ejércitos austríaco y uno ruso se aproximaban a lo lejos (uno de los de Austria venía subiendo por Italia). Lejos el peor error de Napoleón fue invadir la Rusia de Aleksander (extraño en un hombre que sabía mucho de geografía y de historia universal).
Napoleon's plan for the invasion of Russia was pretty brainless. Obviously, his intent was not to conquer it but to force Alexander t keep to the Continental System, but in a scenario like this, you either go all in or not at all. Nappy should have made an alliance with the Finns and the Ottomans, enemies of Imperial Russia, and only invaded to Smolensk that year. Then he should have rebuilt his logistics and invaded the rest the next year. Or gone right for Saint Petersburg instead, not...Moscow? What? Chasing Kutuzov forever into the interior when it should have been obvious to him to stop pursuing the dude. And his battle plan for Borodino was bizarre. And so he lost most of his army before he even got to Moscow. But this Napoleon had fallen victim to his own legend. He was no the same commander of five or ten years earlier. He still had it in him, however, as the astonishing Six Days' Campaign of 1814 demonstrated.
If I recall right, he had several Marshals, their armies and his brother King Joseph in Spain. They eventually get pushed back to France but at the time the Allies are closing in to Paris anyways.
The biggest mistake ever that Napoleon made the invasion of Russia in 1812 basically the beginning of the end too big to occupy making it impossible to protect his supply lines and the winters of Russia are terrible. Napoleon would have been better off occupying a significant part of the Russian empire then got someone to run that occupied area and left it at that.Its the only way to get a edge over the Russians they knew then as now how to use the geography of their huge country and the terrible winters to their own advantage against a invader and a hundred and thirty odd years later Hitler made the similar mistakes that lead to Napoleon's defeat.
They had a long, brutal, exhausting march to even get to moscow. Supplies were already extremely strained. Supply wagons often got stuck in the mud, constantly harassed by kossak guerillas. Supplies was a nightmare
The problem wasn’t supplies in 1941, it was a doggered Russian counter attack and then freezing conditions. He was on track to take Moscow until this unexpected set back. Stopping would have lost the momentum of the offensive, by rights he should have taken Moscow, but an early winter froze the tanks.
this 5min clip is better than entire new riddely xunt napoleon movie
Truer words have never been spoken!
Napoleon was 43 in 1812. This guy looks about 63.
Napoleon also had a lot more hair rl.
By this time years of campaigning, poor food, stress, and various ailment had taken a terrible toll on Napoleon. At times his ailments were so serious that he would need to rest in the middle of battle and pass command to his subordinates. At the Battle of Jena his guard had to form a protective square while he napped. The same thing happened at Borodino. Having an actor that's twenty years too old at this point doesn't bother me. If this guy played him during Napoleon's first Italian campaign then I'd be pissed.
and after the retreat of Russia 100 years ! : )
Well, Russia makes many people look older.
the retreat from Russia probably aged him by another 250 years LOL
How could Napoleon have less hair than Davout?
Davout was also nothing like that guy. He was soft-spoken, almost childish in the face.
Also, Napoleon was 43 years old at the time
The war had aged all these guys much faster. Look at a later portrait of Marshall Lannes. He wasn’t an old man by a long shot, yet ALL of his hair had turned Snow White. All the years Napoleon wages war... That’s a long time to be stressed out to the extreme.
@@malachimatcho7583 I agree the stress must have been immense. In fact, I wonder how not all of these men looked like they were in their 70's, including Napoleon and Ney.
@@jaskiers8951 Yes true! I remember running into a few dudes from high school who were studs. They were athletic, blonde haired, had every girl chasing them, etc.
When I ran into these guys after college, they looked like they aged 15 years. Most of them lost hair, got fat, etc, and that was from too much partying, drinking and books. These guys didn't have to walk from New Jersey to the UK and back, or witness tons of their friends being decapitated by canon balls, eating terrible food or not eating at all, walking around in your wool suit in mid summer, etc, etc.
I think 90% of all people glorifying Napoleon, Alexander, etc, would drop out after a week of being in their armies. What those guys went through, I don't even think we can truly wrap our head around.
If Davout was Napoleon’s field commander instead of Ney, Waterloo would have turned out very differently
There is only one Davout. If Davout can be at Paris suppressing opposition, AND lead the detachment chasing the Prussians, AND lead the vanguard at Quatre Bras, AND be Napoleon's wingman on the field, OR even earlier, be in Spain to fight Wellington.... but there is only one Davout.
I think the same. I suspect Napeolon to be jealous of Davout. Davout never lost a battle. He was a militar genius.
Napoléon and Davout weren't in good terms after Napoleon started to make basic attacks in battlefield. In Russia (Borodino), Davout wanted to attack to the left flank as he used to in Wagram, Austerlitz and Heylau. Napoleon prefered attacked straight in front. They were often in contest with each other so Napoleon takes him away as often as he could.
Napoleon said in his memorial : Murat (for cavalry), Berthier (Soult didn't do well replacing him) and Bessiere (for imperial gards) were missing at Waterloo.
But despite that, a lot of good generals were also missing for the 100 jours.
@@freewal He wasn't jealouse because he trust him giving command of Eckmül thrown and always gave him important post. I think they had not the same vision of politics and tactics so they were trying to work separetly.
@shaun king Depends. France is the country that has won the most of battles in history.
Superb. It's great to see this portrayal of Napoleon and his marshals once again.
He isn't hot enough... Also he NEVER got gray hair. He was a dark brunette until he died in 1821.
@@CreepyCottonMitten93 lol who cares dude. what a silly thing to complain about, what matters is the portrayal of character.
To be fair, a leader that admits when he doesn't know or claim to have all the answers can be a blessing.
I find Bertier to be fascinating because he served in the American Revolution as a junior officer during the Battle of Yorktown. He was known as Napoleon's best staff officer and if that is him speaking he certainly is showing his talent. He didn't seem to have much luck as a field commander, but I think Napoleon missed him during his attempt to take back power. He was killed or accidentally fell from a balcony before he could join Napoleon during the Hundred Days.
He was a logistics man.
chief of staffs job is logistics, analyzing topography and terrains whether it is suitable for our army to cross or send messages to different commanders for troop movements and destinations
Napoleon admitted after Waterloo that if Berthier were there they would have won decisively. They lost because of poor staff work handled by Soult.
Wonder if Davour was taken out by British spy..either that or suicide..but the brits were desperate to take down France..spy work sounds like them.
Most likely he committed suicide
One odd thing about the scene at the end is when Napoleon says they will march to Kaluga because Kutuzov is there. That is not why he marched the army in that direction. He did it because the route the Grand Armee had taken to Moscow had been picked clean and they needed fresh lands on which they could forage on their way back west. For his part, Kutuzov would have wanted battle with Napoleon, because time was running short before winter began and any significant delay for Napoleon reaching winter quarters would prove fatal.
"Let us, for God's sake, move out for military reasons or stay for military reasons! And let us FORGET ABOUT ALEXANDER and concentrate on SUPPLIES"
-Marshal Berthier. Napoleon's Greatest Chief of Staff.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I only took that because at 3:22, Napoleon said "There's truth in that, Davout" after 'Berthier' inserted about being away from Paris for six months.
I just googled the cast of this series and yes, you're right. I edited my original comment.
I believe he "fell" from a window on hearing of Napoleon's escape from Elba in 1815. It is widely speculated he was murdered.
@@Rumpelstyltskin Didn't it was that he fell on the stairs and broke his neck? I could be wrong on this one. It was a long time since I read about his death.
@@justinian-the-great a murky episode, but "official accounts" cite a window as his last known position ante mortem. I would very much like to have a look at this series in its entirety as I tend to find English speaking tv/movies are rather limited and kinda biased in the anti French opposition's favour. Throughout the Consulate and Empire periods, France rarely was first to declare war and primarily fought wars of defence. This "second polish" campaign which culminated in the capture of Moscow was just an extension of previous wars; the only way to defeat GB (later UK) was to introduce a restriction on imports from that country. Britain had the raw materials (eminating from its colonies) and the manufacturing capability (made in GB), what it needed was markets. Napoleon sought to curtail this with the introduction of the continental system, Russia through dire economic necessity broke this and openly traded with GB. Napoleon needed to rectify and invaded in 1812...the rest is history.
If only Lannes was still around to persuade Napoleon, that this move is strategic madness, as everything after Smolensk
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Lannes
Yes. Everything after Smolensk was classic hubris.
Napoleon said he would not make the same mistake as Charles ll did 100 years before, that of seeing his limits and turning south to supply the army and reach Moscow from a Southerly route but rather Napoleon would PRESS ON into a waiste land only to capture a burning warehouse. Napoleon found himself in the same situation in Moscow as Charles Xll at Smolensk, a hungry army with no supplies and winter comming on. Horse meet would not last long and with no bread death was certain.
A General who has won several victories but only lost a few can see he has done well. But when he has not feed his army for even a week he faces disastor for hunger does not go over and the army soon melts into the ground from starvation.
Napoleon had no choice but to retreat if he was to save any part of The Grand Army.
Perhapes he thought he could beat the winter and reach Smolensk in time.
Wellington pointed out that the occupation of a nation's capital was not the same as victory. He was talking about the US.
-Let's forget about Alexander and let's concentrate on supplies.
"Amateurs discuss strategy and tactics, professionals talk logistics."
Remarkable depiction of Napoleon. One of the best I've seen..
Amateurs talk of tactics, professionals talk of logistics
did not work in Vietnam
Gemoesebroehe What did not work in Vietnam the tactics or logistics?
Which is ironic because the lack of logistical preparation is what half defeated Napoleon.
@@alexpeterson849 Being a buff not a professional I would say what didn't work in Vietnam was Strategy. America didn't have one.
schizoidboy Our logical effort was very successful we built massive supply bases around the country that supplied our troops wherever they were, even in the most remote parts of the country. Our Strategic bombing campaign intended to sap NVA/VC supply and unit movements was a frustratingly inefficient. Our ground strategy to rack up a “body count” and to destroy the main NVA/VC (Battalion, Regimental,Brigade, and Division sized) units was a failure due to the enemies uncanny ability to vanish into the mountain, jungles, and swamps typically they would also cross the neutral borders of Laos or Cambodia. One of our biggest failures of the war was the Chu Hoi program which would relocate peasant farmers to massive plots to better concentrate their populations so they wouldn’t be within communist influences created even more mistrust and overall worsened our relationship with the local communities and people. A corrupt South Vietnamese government was a constant issue that complicated relations as well. 2 Men I believe are to be blamed for our military effort failures they also in a certain capacity are to blame for our political failures in Vietnam to. They are William Westmoreland and Robert McNamara, but saying that from the benefit of hindsight isn’t necessarily a good argument. Anyhow the War in Vietnam was unnecessary and very very unfortunate, and even today as far as strategy we are still making the same mistakes. That is my short take on the war.
Thank you so much for uploading this.
David Chandler, Tony Brett James and Chis Duffy were the military advisors. It shows here very clearly. This scene isn't in the book or any other film of it. Just in what they discuss here can be used for an excellent study about the dangers of strategic over extension and/or the fatal flaw of Napoleoinic warfare, I.e. the reliance of seeking and getting decisive battles - until you don't get them.
I dont understand how communication was possible between armed forces in these days. it was like 90 years more before the radio was even invented. always boggled my mind how they could plan so intricately with no way to communicate over long distances.
Horse couriers and scouts/light cavalry. Also using drums, trumpets and flags for signaling.
This was the job of the light cavalry.
There were a few methods; the French had an interesting advantage with their novel telegraph system - a series of towers relaying coded messages - developed by Claude Chappé as far back as 1793. Napoléon expanded it and a message that would normally take a rider days could be delivered in *hours* . Other nations tried to copy it with varying success. In Russia, it became a difficult setting up a mobile version across the Russian plains. So the French had a way to deliver *simple* messages over long distances.
There were of course hand-delivered written messages that had a clever safeguard against enemy interception; soldiers could eat it or carry it in the barrel of a loaded pistol, firing and destroying it if they encountered an enemy. Often two copies of important messages were sent.
Napoléon was also demanding on forms and paperwork; precision was key. Even the Marshals of France - the most powerful men of France - could have their pay docked for filling out a form incorrectly.
@@Pelopen3bc wtf how have i not heard of that before that’s awesome
Ravens . Or a small dragon. But you have to watch out for the big dragon.
The obvious statement: "We should never have come here in the first place. But I suppose that's hindsight now, eh lads?" was never uttered.
he’d beaten their army in battle, occupied a major city which was practically a joint capital with petersberg, and could not expect Russians to burn down their own city. By the rules of war of that era, he should have won. Russia acted above and beyond in this war, so you can’t blame napoleon for doing the obvious thing, beating Russia’s army and then occupying their historic capital. By rights that was victory, but the Russians played a new game.
@@rhysnichols8608 When we (Americans) poke the Russian bear today, your words "...but the Russians...." at the end should be graven in everyone's memory.
So awesome!!! I like the conversation. Honestly!
Napoleón would never say “i just don’t know”.
I know right? More like.... French toast French fries French French French long stick bread classy clowns
Davout and Berthier are relatively well portraied. But Napoleon look like he is older than 60. Why are so many movies about the Napoeonic age but so few actors who gave a good performance as the Emperor.
It’s not easy to capture such charisma. You’re born with it or not. I like the portrayal of Napoleon in Waterloo
Yeah, Rod Steiger was pretty good. Although I always cringe when I hear Napoleon speak English.
Apart from the grey hair, it's not a bad Napoleon. I think Berthier was more round-faced than the actor playing him but otherwise not bad either. The other two officers, on the other hand have facial hair that makes them look as if they were borrowed from the Crimean war.
@@fransbuijs808 You'd need to find French actors, or there's a chance they'd sound like the French soldier on the battlements in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail". "I fart in your general direction", "Fecher la vache!"
just be thankful it's not netflix. He's be black, trans, and american
I'd love to see a modern film about Napoleon but just have the actors speak French lol
Watch the film in French duh.
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@@horstschlemmer2042 but then it's dubbed and looks stupid
Ridley Scott is making a film about Napoleon with Joaquin Phoenix called "Kitbag"!
@@DustDedo seriously??
Will Girvan Yeah dude! It’s in pre production!
Up until he calls him "Sire" I was wondering why Napoleon wasn't at this meeting.
When we opened Napoleon's tomb for its transfer to France --
He looked better than this actor. But this dialogue is sublime.
LMAO
hahaha😂
All actors who've portrayed Napoleon are older than he was...even Davout was relatively a young Marshall back then
Carin Bufe Brando was younger.
Davout was the youngest of the marshals.
Moscow was not the capital of Russia. The capital was Saint Petersburg
It was the _spiritual_ capital; the location of the Kremlin and Saint Basil's Cathedral.
Alright but you didn't control Russia from Saint Petersburg, you did from Moscow which was in the middle of their heartland. That's why Napoleon went to it. Not to mention some of the most important Russian cities were on that route.
lollllllllll,
would be funny if that was the reason he lost
Napoleon: "how can you be defeated if you occupy the capital of your enemy"
Bertier: "............ St petersburg is the actual capital sire"
Napoleon: "............... ........ ............ O SHIT FUCK"
LOL
Was called Petrograd back then
@@RoveRomania Only from 1914 until 1922 when it became Leningrad
How do we get from that kind of writing, to ridley scott's braindead slop
We live in a time of historical vandalism
Yes, much as I wanted to like it, it was a failure... this, however is really penetrating if only one sequence
What beautiful English language the French leadership spoke back then
"An army marches on its stomach." - Napoleon
Seeing how his own Russian campaign unfolds makes this very interesting.
Depending on when he said that, that could have been a conclusion he drew from his experiences in Russia.
i don't see the problem
Thanks for sharing, do you have more, I can't find this series anywhere else on DVD or on UA-cam
Moscow wasn't the capital city at the time, it was St,Petersburg.
The value I find in Napoleon's campaign in Russia is that the war is an unpredictable beast. Once it is awakened it does not guarantee victory for those who started it.
Napoleon..portrayed by Winston Churchill.
A leader must never say "I don't know."
Marlon Brando looked more like Napoleon than anybody else that has portrayed him.
Leonardo Datore It’s a shame it was only a love story and not an epic.
Rod Steiger was better.Marlon is just too pretty for napoleon.
@@nixon9346 agree
@@nixon9346 27 y.o. Nap was pretty as well
@@impaugjuldivmax we dont know that
Oldest Napoleon ever!
This is assassins creed level casting for Napoleon
Berthier and Davout were the best officers of Napoleon's army and faithful.
been to borodino battle museum as a kid😊
It seems Napoleon rarely has been portrayed accurately in film treatments over the years, in terms of physical appearance. Usually too tall and/or too old. Even worse, probably, as an outright caricature. And often as a maniacal warmonger, which, in truth, I don't believe he was. It's been several years ago now but I've seen this version of "W & P" & think I recall being relatively pleased with the Little Corporal's portrayal in it, at least in terms of his basic personality. I haven't yet watched this particular video-clip.
His looks are not accurate here tho
Kutuzov gave Napoleon the shovel to dig his Grave with. Napoleon kept on digging.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kutuzov
Napoleon went in with 600000 and came back with 17000, can you imagine those numbers in the 21st century.
Something very like that was the fate of VonPaulus' Sixth Army that went into Stalingrad in 1942. Most of them never came back.
@@LordZontar
Not that it matters a great deal, but there was no 6th Panzer army. It was 6th army only
Wow
Could you imagine even feeding an army that size 3 times a day? Using 19th century technology.
Troops started deserting the moment Napoleon crossed the Russian border. Many of the German recruits deserted on the way to Moscow so his army was considerably less than 600,000 when he fought at Borodino.
From wath movie /series is this ?
"I just don't know." Doesn't sound very like Napoleon...
Actually it does on occasion Napoleon would hesitate. Lets not forget he is 1,764 miles from Paris as well he is losing thousand of men to desertion every day.
If he leaves Moscow he knows he probably wont ever be able to return. He needs to win now not next year.
he turned advices to his marshals when hes in russia
Occupy the enemy's capital, force them to make peace. The British thought the same during the American Revolution.
4:52 Me when I decided to quit and change jobs.
History teaches "leave the Russians alone".
Unless you are Mongols.
Don't forget communists and organized rebels.
But will they let you?
As well as Afghanistan....18 years, how many dead and wounded Americans and billions of dollars later and for what?
Agreed...
God, what a genius this man was! Yes, invading Russia was a tragic mistake of immense proportions but in this one scene alone, Napoleon's brilliance shines. The important thing is, he's willing to accept the situation & retreat. The fact he hesitates, not only is incredibly suspenseful, but highlights the Corsican's thought processes & fighting-spirit. One really feels for this Emperor. Great scene, great man, clearly one of the greatest, possibly THE greatest, in all of human history!
No, Jesus is The most Great. EVER.
Buddha is better
Genius? He had 14 years. Hitler tried the same thing, 12 years! Megalomaniacs the two of them!
@@Voland1871 - Buddha was a great man but wrong about almost everything. Do you think YOU have no actual self?
@@cristinaelizabethcristaldo9483 - True but the LORD Jesus is GOD
Which napoleon film is this? Brando's? But that is Desiree (1954) and Brando is young in that film (someone mentioned this is Brando but I can't tell).
What flim is this
2:01 is that ney since its similar to his portrait
no, that's actually marshal Berthier Napoleon's chief of staff.
You'd have to try to find someone who looks less like Napoleon.
Moscow was not the capital at that time. St.Petersburg was.
I just got here I’m 12 years late sorry but needed to say, you are missing an ‘h’ in Berthier. Thank you.
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Iron Marshal
Napoleon he won that that's war between France and Russia!!! Waterloo battle he lost and the reason why, because he was betrayed!!! But I'm still like his he is genius and he's talent!!!🗼🎆🎊🥃
He lost because Prussians learned from him after he learned from them (Frederick The Great). They fucked Marechal Grouchy and came to Waterloo to stop the english defeat.
Napoleon was 43 in autumn 1812. Not the middle aged half-hairless man as portrayed here.
Alexander didn't reply to Napoleon because the letter went into the spam folder...
The capital of Russia in 1812 wasent Moscow, it was Saint.Petersburg
What would have happened if Napoleon had stayed at Moscow?
fuckin awesome davout who want to make a stand in moscow !!
they would've been totally surrounded by Spring with no cavalry, and their rare positions would've been overrun
What is this TV series called ?
War and Peace
Never knew French commanders have British accents...
Napoelon?
Pretty good English accent for a French
''20 part War & Peace'' 😢
What movie is this?
Yes, what movie or TV series is this?
War and peace bbc series 1972 ,I believe.
Batman
The Russian Campaign could finally be done right with CGI .
Peter Jackson will make it with trolls, elves and the army of the dead 🤣
@@geert574 the historical image's of makeshift hospitals Windows and doorways filled with amputated limbs to block the wind is about as surreal as even Jackson could conjure.
Greg … Berthier, please!
There are four marshals at the table. Who are the other two?
One is certainly Ney given his central role during the campaign, the other one could be either Mortier, Oudinot or Prince Eugène.
Russian spies. Listening in on the french
They're not wearing epaulettes on their shoulders, and they don't speak. So, maybe they're Davout & Berthier's staff officers who were asked to attend the meeting? Just a guess.
What movie is this
It’s a TV series from the early seventies, War and Peace
I didn't know Napoleon had an English Accent.
Tolstoy spends quite a lot of time on Napoleon's defeat. One man didn't control everything, not even Napoleon. That's Tolstoy's point.
are these people actors or are they real people
Its Napoleon -1 the father I guess
Forget about Alexander and concentrate on supplies...ahhhhhh Loui-Alexandre Berthier, the predecessor of the École nationale d'administration
I didn't see this guy as Napoleon
France with English accent : noice
Napoleón era rubio???
Napoleon speaking English with his staff? I had to miss one episode.
Prince Murat? But he was King of Naples at the time lol.
Murat had the title Prince of the Empire given by Napoleon in 1805.
they spoke good english
Why does Napoleon look 67?
The British believe everyone in Europe spoke with their accent
hunter371 you’re an imbecile. Napoleon didn’t speak English with a French accent either... These are English actors and it is a drama, not a reconstruction.
@@nickrad6966 Wait this isn't a documentary? Oh damn thank goodness you're here to point that out 🙄
@@hunter371 You're the one demanding they speak in French. It's just a representation funnily enough.
@@nickrad6966 A poor one that has a bunch of Frenchman speaking with English accents. Watch John Adams to get an idea of how you should have people from other lands speak.
@@hunter371 Yes but they're playing English people speaking in English. If we're going to be totally accurate by your exacting standards, no one should play a character in a foreign language as it isn't an accurate representation. An accent is even more laughable. The only solution is to ban people from playing Napoleon, Stalin, any historical figure etc. from the entire English speaking world, unless they're fluent in French or Russian and are also excellent at the respective dialects too...
Con otros jefes habría ganado en Waterloo? Hipótesis cuando menos temeraria.
Ligny fue ganado por Ney pero no explotó el triunfo; Quattre Bra fue un empate táctico; Wellington cuando niño se dice que conoció Waterloo; Napoleón no tenía idea de cómo era el terreno.
Siempre que un contrincante escoge el terreno para pelear lleva la ventaja.
Siempre el que defiende, si tiene buenos jefes lleva la ventaja.
El que ataca a otro que defiende debe tener suficiente superioridad de fuerzas y de medios para asegurar el triunfo.
Napoleón tenía más caballería pero menos infantería que Wellington.
Napoleón siempre se caracterizó por ser un buen administrador de la artillería, pero en Waterloo, disparando en elevación y en un terreno todavía encharcado, llevaba las de perder.
Finalmente, aún suponiendo un triunfo de Napoleón, no se debe olvidar que dos ejércitos austríaco y uno ruso se aproximaban a lo lejos (uno de los de Austria venía subiendo por Italia).
Lejos el peor error de Napoleón fue invadir la Rusia de Aleksander (extraño en un hombre que sabía mucho de geografía y de historia universal).
General Winter
If only Joachim was here!
Napoleon's plan for the invasion of Russia was pretty brainless. Obviously, his intent was not to conquer it but to force Alexander t keep to the Continental System, but in a scenario like this, you either go all in or not at all. Nappy should have made an alliance with the Finns and the Ottomans, enemies of Imperial Russia, and only invaded to Smolensk that year.
Then he should have rebuilt his logistics and invaded the rest the next year. Or gone right for Saint Petersburg instead, not...Moscow? What? Chasing Kutuzov forever into the interior when it should have been obvious to him to stop pursuing the dude. And his battle plan for Borodino was bizarre. And so he lost most of his army before he even got to Moscow.
But this Napoleon had fallen victim to his own legend. He was no the same commander of five or ten years earlier. He still had it in him, however, as the astonishing Six Days' Campaign of 1814 demonstrated.
Os generais ficaram. Iguais napoleão não tinha cabelos brancos😳
How many French soldiers were died during Napoleon's 6 weeks stay at Moscow?
A lot
@@nixon9346 how many was that estimated?
Fascinating. Wonder what would have happened had Adolf captured Moscow. Would history been repeated, as in this scene?
@Tom Sanders You misunderstood my comment. Plus it's a myth that the Wehrmacht didn't have enough oil in order to carry on the war..
@@christopherfritz3840 The railroad was not completed so supply was very low. Also Stalingrad was key.
Couldn't they find someone who at least resembles Napoleon a little, this dude looks like an American from Love Boat or some 70's show 😆
The capital of Russia at that time was St Petersburg, not Moscow.
What was going on in Spain at this time? If Napoleon was in Russia, then how could he keep Spain under control?
If I recall right, he had several Marshals, their armies and his brother King Joseph in Spain. They eventually get pushed back to France but at the time the Allies are closing in to Paris anyways.
The capital of Lithuania is not Vilna but Vilnius.
This is nowaday prononsiation. In 19-n century it had more polish spelling as Vilno.
The biggest mistake ever that Napoleon made the invasion of Russia in 1812 basically the beginning of the end too big to occupy making it impossible to protect his supply lines and the winters of Russia are terrible. Napoleon would have been better off occupying a significant part of the Russian empire then got someone to run that occupied area and left it at that.Its the only way to get a edge over the Russians they knew then as now how to use the geography of their huge country and the terrible winters to their own advantage against a invader and a hundred and thirty odd years later Hitler made the similar mistakes that lead to Napoleon's defeat.
Why couldn’t Napoleon supply the army through winter?
They had a long, brutal, exhausting march to even get to moscow. Supplies were already extremely strained. Supply wagons often got stuck in the mud, constantly harassed by kossak guerillas. Supplies was a nightmare
The shops burned down ... :-)
Too bad AH wasn't able to see this in 1941. SUPPLIES!!! "Hold up at Smolensk, dig in and reinforce the SUPPLY CHAIN! Moscow? Bomb it like London!!"
The problem wasn’t supplies in 1941, it was a doggered Russian counter attack and then freezing conditions. He was on track to take Moscow until this unexpected set back. Stopping would have lost the momentum of the offensive, by rights he should have taken Moscow, but an early winter froze the tanks.
I never realized that Napoleon brought such English marshals on his Russian campaign, no wonder he lost