I know mate, losing to Luxembourg and Greece etc is exactly what we should expect. It's fans like you who are happy to accept this absolute shite, who allow it to continue, fuckin eejit
Didi is the best person who you could have in your panel and these two,they’re just clowns,you know Stephen and Richie, I still don’t know how Richie Sadlier is still in the job as a panelist.
Lol. Dunphy thinks he’s doing a great job and would give him a new contract because ‘he’s changed the style of play’. Dunphy never knew much about football and was always mostly concerned with promoting himself.
You can blame the manager til the cows come home. This lies at the feet of the FAI. During the champagne years, they failed to develop any kind of youth development program. They failed to get behind the LOI. Actually scratch that. They didn't even try.
The panel is totally right, it's simply extraordinary an Irish team mainly composed of lower league club players in England can't beat a Dutch side with guys playing for Europe's lesding clubs.
Exactly, herein lies the problem, their's a reason why some of them are playing for Stoke, Preston (ffs) Middlesborough and a reason why our last 2 opponents play for Bayern, Liverpool, Real Madrid, PSG, Juventus, Barcelona et al
i think u missed the point,,its not loosing to the likes of france or holland that there on about its about loosing to teams ranked much lower thats the problem,,and theres been no improvment what so ever over the last 3 years,the honest truth is we have gotten worse since kennys appointment and its time for him to go hes had more than enought time with this team..
@@dagzey You could appoint Pep or Ancelloti, no one is going to get a tune out of those players, they simply lack the ability. Next manager will be faced with the same issues, draws, losses and bad luck ahoy brigade....until we start producing players that compete at the highest level, with the major clubs Ireland are not gracing a major tournament anytime soon, mark my words
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 well that's just a completey ridiculous statement..are u trying to tell me that Ireland wouldn't have more points from the last 2 campaigns if they had pep or ancelloti managing them???
@@HandsUpforThePanther I wouldn't say we're great and to Kenny's credit he's brought through a whole young team, first time since the mid 90s. Unfortunately we're going to get a crap replacement like Neil Lennon. We aren't going anywhere fast.
@@barryb90 this isn't the same FAI. That's not gonna happen. They will be careful and plan it out. At least Lennon would wanna play counter attack and some idea what's he doing. Even if it's a bad appointment overall, if they did get Lennon.
@@johnmc3862I'm pretty sure Gareth Bale isn't "average", amazing what can be done with a group of average players though when you have even one very good/world class player in the team, it inspires the rest of the squad to out perform on a consistent basis. A bit like we were 20 years ago with Keano leading the charge.
We are a football backwater, decades behind most countries in playing style. Kenny trying to change that, I am happy to wait ten twenty years if football in this country is played in the correct manner.
I really haven't seen us turned into a passing style team under kenny on occasion we could put a few good moved together mainy against lower teams most of the time it was passing with the back 3 or 4 players we played some lovely football under Mc Carthy and O Neill also but they knew are our best strengths were always our physical attributes lost totally in the kenny era
@@kenoneill8783 Not a bad call, but I think he is on record of saying that management was not for him. His last gig was Stockport County in the Conference League in 2011. Roy Keane would be my no1 pick.
I remember Roddy Collins saying about Kenny whilst playing against him in LOI he could always tactically outsmart him because he'd refuse change formations mid game or do it too late.
Bring back Bertie Ahern as team manager, he has all the required background, great man for the horsis, financial genius, sporting legend in the pubs in Drumcondra,
Kenny isn’t good enough but the fact is that Ireland are 50 years behind other European countries in football development. We need a full professional league and more investment into academies but the disparity is only going to get bigger.
Since the big cash mafia took over the English league we have mostly only second class players. We should look towards sending our youth to European league's. Not playing in the reserve league's in England. Ireland will never reach the level of German Spanish English nor top established league's..
The main problem is soccer ranks a distant 3rd in Ireland when it comes to sport because Gaelic Games and Rugby rank significantly higher. We have at best a semi-professional league where only a handful of players are good enough to get scouted to play for a Championship level club.
@@rayfootblogs not true my friend. More children are playing soccer than any other sport in Ireland. For example check the junior soccer league's senior league school boy league's. If you want check also the FAI junior Cup. I do agree that the FAI are absolutely inept and have been since it's formation.
@@martinfinlay5971 I find that hard to believe seeing how there are only a fraction of soccer clubs compared to GAA clubs across Ireland. I'm from Meath and there are approximately 40 to 50 GAA clubs spread across towns and villages with zero emphasis on soccer. I suspect Kildare and the much bigger populated counties like Dublin, Cork and Galway would have significantly more GAA clubs than soccer clubs. I suspect traditionally strong hurling counties like Clare, Limerick, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Wexford etc wouldn't give a damn about soccer between them as the likes of Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Derry and Kerry would prioritize Gaelic Football over anything else.
As a management team? Giles - doesn't believe in tactics Dunphy - wants football played the 'right way' and has rarely got a football prediction right in his life Brady - failed at Brighton and Celtic it would make a funny behind the scenes documentary.
No it’s not. We rarely qualify for anything and played HOOFBALL since the 80s. Kenny took the blow, but he’s changed how we play. Maybe a better manager will have to structure us differently.
Ireland was once a highly respected team, boasting a 6th-place world ranking and a reputation for consistently defeating top-tier opponents. We approached every match without fear and were known for our formidable resilience. Our performance remained strong until the mid-2000s when a significant decline set in. Kenny has since made remarkable improvements to the team; just four years ago, our ability to even pass the ball was in doubt. Nonetheless, Ireland is a nation with a rich sporting tradition. Our rugby team holds the top spot in the world rankings, and we have world-class boxers, golfers, and more. There is no reason we can't set our sights on achieving the highest standards in football as well. Personally I believe loyalty to players is the cardinal sin in sports. Players should be dropped on a moments notice if they are not on form. Ultimately our players do not have a winning mindset, they rarely experienced winning, and winning becomes habit, as does losing. This team is caught in that mindset. They fear success as its new territory for them . Kenny has done a decent job and has built a team that at least can compete, we are just too inexperienced at winning and this won't change. @@LeMerch
@@TheContrarianMind ultimately football is the 3rd most popular sport on the island and we are now selecting from a pool of players at the bottom end of the PL and the leagues below. The globalisation of the PL is a massive factor as our players are getting less of a chance. We should look to develop our own players for a specific system and maybe look to utilise the european leagues more where they can get more football that is still of a decent standard
What’s he meant to do with championship players seriously…. Except Ferguson and Colman that’s prem standards… most of the Irish team don’t even have a Irish passport.., come on people
If Kenny goes then, fans, media need to accept that we need a more pragmatic approach. We can't expect to take these teams on at their own game. We need to play to our strengths, which may not be pretty.
Exactly, I don't know where all these pipe dream notions came from the Kenny philosophy hype was unreal. He was being back to the hilt, any slight positive was spun as a 'corner turned'. The fact is high energy quick direct football suits Ireland's players, especially with the pace they have. That does not mean hoofing the ball for the sake of it, I mean direct ball with a purpose.
@@nigefal Yeah, it was a nice thought that he could turn us into Brazil. But it's been a total disaster from the off, in terms of results. We should play to our limited strengths
I agree after tonight. Should have went at them direct when 2-1 down. Saying that, people will complain regardless. I just want the team to win, I don’t care how we win
Your mentality is exactly what’s wrong with Ireland. The biggest problem and the one thing holding Ireland back is PASSIVENESS. Their press is too passive.
I think Shane Duffy is a man behind the times at international level now, both goals come from hia mindset of defending his box first and foremost and playing boys onside. Probably time to change manager though, he had no answer to the shape change from the Dutch in the second half.
He should NEVER have been appointed to this position! He didn't have any serious managerial experience to progress us internationally! Any up & coming players who have international options will only view playing for ROI as a last resort as probably already has happened with Rice & Grealish!
I don't understand why the FAI is escaping blame the manager is terrible yes but it's upstairs that put him incharge the whole thing is a complete mess
I see people saying things like "We have to play to our strengths(ie go direct). That may not be pretty" and "I just want the team to win. I dont care how we win". 100% disagree. IMO We should absolutely care how we play. We need to continue to build a football philosophy/culture in the country. SK tried, & failed so we move on to another manager with a similar philosophy and keep trying. Did people really believe it was a one manager fix?? That it would be that easy???? Of course not. We had 20+yrs of hoofball. The game died here under that. The reason our squad is the worst one we have ever had is coz of decades of terrible football/negative coaching from yth team up to national team. Lets give passing football a bit longer then SKs reign. In the long run itll pay off for the game here. Hoofball wont.
We arent Spain and we never are going to be even with all the training camps in the world here. The reality is noone in ireland old or young knows that style to change the footballing culture. Even if they did know u'd be waiting 20 yrs to see them string a couple of fancy passes together. Lets stick to what we used to be good at and were known for. Lets pass that knowledge and culture on by getting the right people to teach the u16's etc. Get some old premiership players to show this useless bunch how to defend for a start, then we can worry about get fancy.
@@fruitcakereaper6014 What a negative outlook.. Croatia arent Spain either but theyve built a footballing philosophy. Any country can do it if you have the ambition. I firmly believe we can produce top quality footballers here if we encourage them to enjoy playing the game, to pass, to dribble etc. Theres loads of talent among our kids. We are just missing out on it as they arent taking up the game. If we market the game much better to the next generation then we will produce better footballers. This island has produced plenty of great footballers b4. The only reason we have stopped over the last 20yrs or so is coz we have let the game die here via long ball football. GAA and rugby have moved ahead of football when it comes to hoovering up young talent. The whole set up needs a revamp. It seems to be happening now with youth football which is great. SK tried it with the international team(unfortunately he inherited the worst squad ever tho.... tks to 20yrs of hoofball).. It didnt work for SK but that doesnt mean we give up... AFTER JUST 3yrs !!.. We need to engrain a passing, technical football culture into our country. If it takes 20yrs to see the progress of that then itll be 20yrs well spent. Unlike the 20yrs of hoofball under Trap, ONeill and McCarthy where the game literally died here.
I do think Stephen Kenny is low standard manager I think cause he is a league of Ireland I think if he was premier league manager he would been gone by now. I think they have been too nice to him and that
You could put Klopp or Pep in charge and it would not make a difference. They are a good, honest bunch of players doing their best but their best is simply not enough. I think Kenny's idea of passing football is laudable but our lot can't do it. I dunno, maybe stick 5 along the back and live off counter attacks?
@@kevinmartin5489what is consistently ignored that we are inferior and shouldn’t be winning games but what’s the excuses for not beating the inferior teams
Send him back to league of Ireland, he’s completely out of his debt. Only Ireland would put someone of this calibre in charge of our country and expect to brain wash supporters to get behind him. A joke of an appointment from the start..
@@GuineaPig91Those players in 2012 and 2016 were very different players to the ones we had playing against Netherlands and France. This is the poorest group of players Ireland have had in our lifetimes and that is clearly showing in our results. Having seen several Ireland managers on their last game in charge of Ireland, the performances show that the players are playing for Kenny but are just coming up short because the quality isn’t there.
Very easy to knock the manager but the pundits did not answer the valid question as to what they would have done differently. If the opposition have better quality players, you are up against it. Kenny is likely doing all he can with the squad he has.
In a way, yes, but Kenny is simply out of his depth. Remember we got to Euro 2012 with a frankly rubbish team that had at the time a great manager in Trappattoni.
@@conorcahill5422 Trapattoni didn't believe the Irish players could play football and the team was unwatcheable as they also were under Martin O'Neill. At least Kenny is trying to have them play and pass the ball which is unique for an Irish team. The Irish players are doing their best for Kenny but they just lack quality. God himself could not get any more out of this Irish team.
@@conorcahill5422😂 Clueless. We had a squad full of players that actually started for their premier league teams and championship teams. Great manager trap. Broke 3 different records in the euros
There were people in the fai who wanted that. And they were against stephen Kenny. They were in the mccarthy/ john delaney camp. Bringing in Robbie Keane is pie in the sky nostalgic nonsense. And he has no managerial/coaching experience at all.
It has been an interesting experiment that has sadly failed. A lot of it comes back to the pick and our current pool of players. However, i think a more tactically astute and experienced manger (even middle to lower part of C.shIp) "might" move us further up the road to recovery.
There is no manager that will qualify these players for any tournament. I’ll challenge any of these pundits to take the lead and qualifying them for a tournament.
Didi speaking Facts. It’s a Results business Kenny been giving plenty time and Backing and he’s not Delivered simple as it’s time to go even if it meant getting a Foreign manager in who can play a more attractive style and better in game management and Tactics the players are also to blame. When you see the Likes of teams who are far level below play better and get results it’s pretty worrying. We should be doing a lot better than what we have been. Only reason Kenny still in cuz he was LOI manager. Joke fans spending money home and away to see that level of Performances. Fans need to voice there frustrations to gone on way to long
If English managers were any good they would be in charge of top PL clubs. They're not. Proof, Liverpool (German), Man City (Spanish), Arsenal (Spanish), Chelsea (Argentinian), Tottenham (Greek), Man Utd (Netherlands).
You can't turn players with limited ability into diamonds when they are playing (or not) at clubs like Preston, Middlesborough, Stoke, their's a reason why they are not playung for our oponents teams (France and Holland) like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Man City, Liverpool, Juventus, PSG etc....the stats don't lie, unless that huge ability gap is changed Ireland will continue to fall to qualify for tournaments and I would say as a 50 year old man i could well be dead by the time they do, and I'm not kidding, we are maybe decades away.
I really cannot believe how established football pundits are all saying the same thing about Stephen Kenny. How we can all have such high expectations of this Ireland team, it’s a bit out of touch. The football is better. The results are the same. I for one prefer watching us try to play football as opposed to route 1 every time. Without pointing fingers last night, had we kept a defensive line, both goal’s wouldn’t have stood. If we were a bit more ruthless up front we would have won the game. Those are errors on the pitch, nothing to do with the manager. Who do we bring in that’s going to drastically improve the results?
They are great at pointing out the problems but can’t identify any solutions. The real question is, if we sack Kenny (which I agree with), what manager can we get/ afford, because our options are very limited!
Dont be buying the tickets cause you be wasting your money once the tickets are still getting sold they dont care because we are all made to believe that its gonna get better when its only staying the same. So i dont blame stephen he is just trying to do his job that he isnt capable of doing at that level. I blame the the Fai for letting it go this far. There should be ameeting called tomorrow discussing the whole coaching staffs future with that andrews gone aswel. They are brutal
They defo don't have the personal. Ireland seem so far off the rest of Europe's middle tier/top tier teams. Ferguson offers a future but they need more. If they had beaten Netherlands, would have been a huge shock. But they ain't anywhere near Netherlands
Its like the filmset of Fair City with Dieter from Killinaskully thrown in. These budget pundits are clowns.....at least Dunphy and Giles have spark....Sadlier barely dirtied his boots on a pitch and this is the best RTE can do.....budget quality from a budget station.....
5 competitive wins in 26 matches. Yes you can say its a poor squad but he keeps saying it'll improve and get better when it hasn't happened. it just hasn't worked out for Stephen Kenny and its time to move on for the good of everybody
It did get better when they started playing football instead of the shite they played under trapatoni. The squad just doesnt have the midfield personel to get anything done right now. If they start not playing football again, nobody will go to the games & endure that route one shite.
The FAI should set up an academy. Where players can be scouted for and nurtured. Ireland is very cosmopolitan,we have DNA from all over the world,South America,Eastern Europe and Asia. Its the 'Elephant In The Room' ,no doubt. Look at England. The game has improved Men /Women ,leaps and bounds.The FAI don't want to spend!GREED!!!!
Nobody with his resume would get an international position.Dunfermline, Dundalk etc , everyone wanted him to succeed because he is such a nice person but the only thing that matters, in the end, are the results, winning cures everything.
Didi is the best pundit...has been for a while Sadlier is a word salad helum baloon and the other guy is wallpaper....Collins is a good MC, Maloney is a better commentator.
Do people really expect us to beat the likes of France and the Netherlands when we have no players at the top clubs in England or playing in the Champions League?
It’s all down to a wider problem within the game in Ireland. First, look beyond the narrow focus that has infected soccer in Ireland and see how other organisations operate and you’ll realise that the FAI and the LoI are small narrow minded organisations. The club game in Ireland needs to think differently,from the smallest community based kids clubs right the whole way up all the levels to the the senior men’s and ladies teams. The outrageously bad state of the LoI and the clubs in it, is just a disgrace. An outright disgrace. Stephen Kenny is absolutely right with his philosophy on how the game should be played but we have to recognise that he’s just the first manager to try this. We have people that can compete but from the time that they first kick a ball as children they are victims of the small minded people that are in charge, where win, win, win, is the only focus. That has to change. Stephen Kenny has been successful in one aspect - he has shown us that the systems we have in place now in Ireland are rubbish. There are no proper structures or coaching in this country andthe realisation is growing that it’s going to take a complete paradigm shift right across the entire amateur game in Ireland from when the youngest kids start playing, right through to the national representative levels. We need more people with Kenny’s philosophical approach to now come in and start coaching and running the game at the grass roots levels. At the moment, Soccer and how it’s run in Ireland, isn’t fit for purpose. And when we begin to develop the game here, if it means a ten to twenty year period where we win nothing or qualify for nothing at senior level, then so be it.
@@davidpryle3935 : one in a million, or maybe five million and a force of nature and a product of excellent parenting by a father who is completely au fait with the footballing world…
Indeed. I remember reading an article where Ruud Doktor recommended a root and branch reform of the youth system in Ireland, only to be met with hostility from the schoolboy leagues. “What the f**k does he know about football in Ireland?” was apparently the response. I personally would recommend more small sided games for younger players, with an emphasis on retaining possession. People playing on adult pitches from eight years old only encourages hoofball.
@@TheLastAngryMan01 More scapegoating about coaching ! The fact of the matter is, great players are not produced by coaching, they are produced by nature. There are still plenty Irish players making it as professional footballers in the English league. How high a level they make it in that league, is down to nature. Ireland will always struggle in the truly global game of football, as Ireland is unique in Europe, in the fact that football is a minority sport in Ireland. If it wasn’t for the great dedication of the officials and supporters of the LOI clubs, who somehow, against all the odds,have kept professional football alive in Ireland, there wouldn’t be a league at all.
@@davidpryle3935 Is that right? If it’s all down to natural talent and nothing else, how come Roy Keane was rejected by several English clubs and the national team as a youngster? Yet he played with distinction on the highest stage as a senior pro. He said himself that his desire to improve got him over the line. How come Iceland, with a population less than one-tenth of ours, has been performing better than us in recent years? Even Northern Ireland, with probably a pick of around 800k or so (when you factor in that most Nationalists play for us) have been getting closer to qualification than us. I’m not having a go at the LOI, but Ireland’s footballing infrastructure has been flagged as a problem on several occasions, going back to the Genesis report after the 2002 World Cup. The fact that most Irish football fans don’t support domestic soccer is also a big hindrance.
@@fitzerelli1 Want to send me a link to where he said it or is that just hearsay? If he did then the current Germany squad is not the best example going on their manager and results.
We up our game vs the big teams. Lose by 1 or 2.. if we can take the same effort vs the Netherlands, France etc.. we need to get the players up for the "lesser" games . Give the same effort vs Netherlands or Greece, the Players have a lot to answer for but the management need to realise the Same tactics vs France is not the way to play vs Greece or others. Play to your strengths.
Not one constructive comment as to what they could do better, just commenting on results which fair enough haven't been great but what would they change if they were the manager. Other than the Greece result which was awful, this team have been good, they just haven't gotten any breaks. I know i'm probably in the minority, but I believe in Kenny, he will get a big result and with Ferguson to come in maybe they'll be more clinical in front of goal, stick with him, the alternative is to go to parking the bus
Brilliant. The what we need to win formula is fewer Irish and more Africans. Maybe the FAI could do a deal with African states where Irish players line out for their national teams. Could be a few quid in it. John Kiley as the new Ireland manager.
Going Into qualifying with no chance is awful,time for a proper manager one who can string a few words together, It's as if he is in complete shock that they have lost again.
This Irish team are playing the best football we've played in over 30 years, the talent available is very average if Kenny can just get lucky with a couple of quality players this team could do very well. I say give him time, if we go back to likes of Trappatoni I for one won't even bother watching a game, it's horrific soccer
Im actually delighted SK tried to play passing football, altho I disagreed with some of his selections(McClean)/formations(wingbacks) etc. If anything the team stopped playin to his style towards the end of his reign. We lost confidence, stopped taking risks etc. Against the Dutch you could see the players took the easy option far too much. Kept passing it back to Bazunu for him to go long. Thats understandable tho as confidence was rock bottom by the last few games. When that happens then the manager has to go. SK had plenty of time but just not good enuff unfortunately, Hopefully we stick we the philosophy tho. Just coz the manager isnt good enuff that doesnt mean the philosophy isnt. Plus I never thought itd be a one manager fix
The way people talk about our passing game its like we are like Brazil or Man City only on occasion under Kenny we played passing at the back 4 when teams allowed it a mix of 2 we are always better when we more physical and dogged we have to mix the 2 styles
@@ontheturningaway considering I’m 70yrs old I think I’ve already grown up. As I’m sure you know the anthems are always played and sung before internationals and part of the games. A great rallying point before getting STUCK IN…🇮🇪
The unwavering support for Kenny from a section of our supporters is insane. Trappatoni, McCarthy and O'Neill got better results and were chased out the door for the style of football, Kenny hasn't improved us in any capacity, but because he has convinced fans that it's a work in progress he has somehow clung onto the job, he's worse than Steve Staunton (who also got chased out) Before people start with the nonsense 'noone else could do any better' give it a fucking rest, we have always had to punch above our weight and in the past have been able to, Kenny has us losing and drawing with minnows and his only significant win was against a scotland team who then proceeded to beat us. Get him out for fuck sake
Kenny has allowed the team to play football, which is what the game is. Given the squad the previous 3 had, they were shite and played shite football. Trappatoni started the unwatchable rot, the nervous constant backpassing.
@kevinmartin5489 if by 'playing football' you mean aimlessly passing it sidewards and backwards until we concede, creating very few opportunities until we resort to lumping the ball long anyway and inevitably failing to win, then yes, he has got us playing football. You really are clueless if you think that Kenny has progressed the national team in any way. Also, you genuinely think the squads trappatoni and Martin O'Neil had were any worse than this one? Our best player under O'Neill was Jonny Walters and trappatoni got hammered for not playing Wes Hoolahan who was made out to be the second coming of messi, that's how good their squads were. Just be honest and admit you will excuse anything Kenny does as he's a league of ireland managerial legend, whilst trappatoni was Italian and o neill was a dirty nordie.
Don't care, lad. Kenny obviously needs to go, but Trap and O'Neill played the most horrendous shite imaginable. It's not rocket science why people defended Kenny so much despite the results. If they got another hoofball manager, I'll cancel my session tickets.
@barryb90 if you don't care why are you commenting? Trap and O'Neill got us to tournaments playing a poor brand of football, Kenny hasn't got us to any tournaments whilst also playing a poor brand of football. Are you just listening to Kenny without watching the games? The team genuinely pass it aimlessly and create next to no goal scoring opportunities and you're trying to act like we play like prime barca. Please do cancel it, mate, you haven't a fucking clue about football
Having had a look through all Kennys results, other than Greece what games exactly did they lose that you wouldn't of expected them to? Armenia maybe, but that's about it. Easy to be critical without offering any constructive way of fixing things
Typical pundits. Can't do it themselves and also have no actual solution. See if they can find a defender playing a higher standard than one who's made 2 appearances in 5 championship games etc
Id bring Roy keane in - his style would be good in short bursts such as international windows. And they are a young squad - he has an aura and they would die for him.
Yeah but it was much harder to qualify for torunaments in Eoin Hand's day. There were much fewer spots. There is also the Nations League avenue as well. Now if you don't qualify for a tournament, it means your manager/team is particularly shite.
@@nigefal all right I get your points but I will ask you this how many times have we beaten the Dutch and French in competitive games over the years even when we had top class teams and now there is a big outcry because kenny can't do it with youngsters starting out give him some credit for trying at least
I think we’ve a good group of lads and Kenny has helped them develop but ultimately we aren’t going to outplay technically better teams . Useful skill set to have developed in the players but maybe best to go back to a “park the bus , long ball , counter attack” team ? Knight is a decent player in role against Dutch . Progresses ball , good retention , few good passes that might have resulted in goals . I’d not be playing malumby or smallbone much though . Very regressive . Don’t want to take any responsibility on the ball to make something happen . Safety first and back passes which puts pressure on defence and allows teams to settle . I think this is where Kenny got his selections wrong . Wanted progressive football but played safe players that put not making mistakes over making play first . Few of the lads have proven themselves to be up to it and few lads to develop over next few years . To be honest I think Kenny did an ok job and things looking better for future
I am all for giving new managers time to prove himself but I knew from game one Kenny wasnt going to be a successful manager.Let us hope and pray for a miracle that we can qualify through a play off.
I’m sorry but What is it ireland fans want exactly? I’m Irish too and I had no expectations for us to be beating the likes of France and Netherlands over two games. Even with wins against Gibraltar and Greece it wouldn’t be good enough (depending on other results etc). Did you expect us to get out of this group like really? Come on now it’s basically a championship level side. Judge him on the next two games
It’s a results business and results have been dismal. That’s the end of the story really. Yeah the players are the poorest crop probably ever especially that midfield. You won’t do much with it. But we were well outplayed by Greece and there have been numerous other terrible results against minnows. Kenny is out of his depth but it’s not a surprise. We really need to stop putting LOI managers in charge of the international team.
@@kevinmartin5489??????? That was 20 years ago!! They’ve done nothing since then. Everyone can beat this squad. The Kenny defenders are becoming laughable now. It’s like a cult. Nowhere else would a manager have survived for so long on such dismal results. We’ve lost at home to Luxembourg for Gods sake under Kenny. It’s gone far enough.
We lost 16 of 36 matches since Kenny and only beat one country ranked above us, Scotland in June 2022. It took 12 games for a first win - against Andorra. How long do transitional periods last? He has to go. Enough is enough.
Was at the game. They were so much more comfortable than us. Get real! The expectation is ridiculous
and you got a free pen
I agree irish fans put our standards too high, but we should be performing better than we have.
I know mate, losing to Luxembourg and Greece etc is exactly what we should expect.
It's fans like you who are happy to accept this absolute shite, who allow it to continue, fuckin eejit
Don't aggre cheers
Stephen Kenny syndrome you have
Frenchman here you guys have something good coming for real ! I'm really impress with your cb Collins what a player good in the air , strong
Thanks. We have a handful of good players. That is it. Outside of Collins and Ferguson we are bereft of genuine talent.
@@jamescook4116 I think that group was too much for your young players having said that I strongly believe that you can qualify for the world cup
If we can get some premiership level players coming into the midfield positions, your right.
Didi to manage Ireland I say, he was brilliant tonight, sounded more passionate than any Irishman could be in his support for us.
It’s just the accent.
I love that he refers to Ireland as We :) ❤
Didi is the best person who you could have in your panel and these two,they’re just clowns,you know Stephen and Richie, I still don’t know how Richie Sadlier is still in the job as a panelist.
@@CrashExhibition hes paraphrasing
😂😂Yeah it's EASY from a studio armchair
Kenny is lucky he managed in this era because Dunphy, Giles and Brady would have been too honest for him
Lol. Dunphy thinks he’s doing a great job and would give him a new contract because ‘he’s changed the style of play’. Dunphy never knew much about football and was always mostly concerned with promoting himself.
@@jmo8934 dunphy would have to face reality at some point
Dunphy and giles are Kenny in and have backed him up to this point on their podcast
@@Eoin-gg9tz do they have good reason because I can't see any?
You can blame the manager til the cows come home. This lies at the feet of the FAI. During the champagne years, they failed to develop any kind of youth development program. They failed to get behind the LOI. Actually scratch that. They didn't even try.
The panel is totally right, it's simply extraordinary an Irish team mainly composed of lower league club players in England can't beat a Dutch side with guys playing for Europe's lesding clubs.
Exactly, herein lies the problem, their's a reason why some of them are playing for Stoke, Preston (ffs) Middlesborough and a reason why our last 2 opponents play for Bayern, Liverpool, Real Madrid, PSG, Juventus, Barcelona et al
They're not just talking about the Dutch game ffs. In context of 3years at the helm, guy has to go.
i think u missed the point,,its not loosing to the likes of france or holland that there on about its about loosing to teams ranked much lower thats the problem,,and theres been no improvment what so ever over the last 3 years,the honest truth is we have gotten worse since kennys appointment and its time for him to go hes had more than enought time with this team..
@@dagzey You could appoint Pep or Ancelloti, no one is going to get a tune out of those players, they simply lack the ability. Next manager will be faced with the same issues, draws, losses and bad luck ahoy brigade....until we start producing players that compete at the highest level, with the major clubs Ireland are not gracing a major tournament anytime soon, mark my words
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 well that's just a completey ridiculous statement..are u trying to tell me that Ireland wouldn't have more points from the last 2 campaigns if they had pep or ancelloti managing them???
Sadler should take over to see how good he is at it. Nothing will change under new management we just don’t have the players.
Nah, that's a pathetic excuse. We've lost and bottled leads against teams with far lower calibre of players.
@@barryb90we actually have a good team but Kenny's tactics are horrible. We can good football, quick counter attack would be ideal
@@HandsUpforThePanther I wouldn't say we're great and to Kenny's credit he's brought through a whole young team, first time since the mid 90s. Unfortunately we're going to get a crap replacement like Neil Lennon. We aren't going anywhere fast.
@@barryb90 this isn't the same FAI. That's not gonna happen. They will be careful and plan it out. At least Lennon would wanna play counter attack and some idea what's he doing. Even if it's a bad appointment overall, if they did get Lennon.
Kenny did all he can imo did want him to do well. results don't lie .
he has to go we love him for his work in Ireland but we need a fresh start
All he could was nowhere good enough, he should have been let go long ago. Look how far wales got with a bang average squad of players.
@@johnmc3862I'm pretty sure Gareth Bale isn't "average", amazing what can be done with a group of average players though when you have even one very good/world class player in the team, it inspires the rest of the squad to out perform on a consistent basis. A bit like we were 20 years ago with Keano leading the charge.
What does people expect with this team… seriously we’ve always been shite a football this past 20 years come out will yas…
@@paddypenman2682 We had more than Keano back then. Bale was the only decent player that had.
We are a football backwater, decades behind most countries in playing style. Kenny trying to change that, I am happy to wait ten twenty years if football in this country is played in the correct manner.
I really haven't seen us turned into a passing style team under kenny on occasion we could put a few good moved together mainy against lower teams most of the time it was passing with the back 3 or 4 players we played some lovely football under Mc Carthy and O Neill also but they knew are our best strengths were always our physical attributes lost totally in the kenny era
Didi talking facts
Didi was inspirational, why can't he throw his hat in the ring to manage us?
@@kenoneill8783 Not a bad call, but I think he is on record of saying that management was not for him. His last gig was Stockport County in the Conference League in 2011. Roy Keane would be my no1 pick.
He hasn’t a clue.
He wouldn't be able to bet
I remember Roddy Collins saying about Kenny whilst playing against him in LOI he could always tactically outsmart him because he'd refuse change formations mid game or do it too late.
Finally over, the Kenny era it started badly and ended badly with a bad middle.
😂 Yeah. Let's go back to dinosaur soccer. The match starts badly. Ends badly and is a fuckin embarrassment all the game through
@@SlavaBanderastan what kind of football has Kenny offered flatter to deceive loser football.
@@conchronic we hold the record in the euros for no points, no goals and most conceded. So loser football it is
@@SlavaBanderastan what euros we have been to 3 , zero under Kenny s poser loser football.
Bring back Bertie Ahern as team manager, he has all the required background, great man for the horsis, financial genius, sporting legend in the pubs in Drumcondra,
Steven has done alot of the heavy lifting my bringing though the young players but its time to start a conversation about new manager
He still plays Duffy..mcclean..doherty
He should have just played the kids and he would have got more support..he did it wishy washy
Kenny isn’t good enough but the fact is that Ireland are 50 years behind other European countries in football development. We need a full professional league and more investment into academies but the disparity is only going to get bigger.
Since the big cash mafia took over the English league we have mostly only second class players. We should look towards sending our youth to European league's. Not playing in the reserve league's in England. Ireland will never reach the level of German Spanish English nor top established league's..
@@martinfinlay5971saying this for ten years
The main problem is soccer ranks a distant 3rd in Ireland when it comes to sport because Gaelic Games and Rugby rank significantly higher. We have at best a semi-professional league where only a handful of players are good enough to get scouted to play for a Championship level club.
@@rayfootblogs not true my friend. More children are playing soccer than any other sport in Ireland. For example check the junior soccer league's senior league school boy league's. If you want check also the FAI junior Cup. I do agree that the FAI are absolutely inept and have been since it's formation.
@@martinfinlay5971 I find that hard to believe seeing how there are only a fraction of soccer clubs compared to GAA clubs across Ireland. I'm from Meath and there are approximately 40 to 50 GAA clubs spread across towns and villages with zero emphasis on soccer. I suspect Kildare and the much bigger populated counties like Dublin, Cork and Galway would have significantly more GAA clubs than soccer clubs. I suspect traditionally strong hurling counties like Clare, Limerick, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Wexford etc wouldn't give a damn about soccer between them as the likes of Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Derry and Kerry would prioritize Gaelic Football over anything else.
Bring back the old boys - Dunphy, Brady and Giles
C’mon lad, they have a combined age of 200.
As a management team?
Giles - doesn't believe in tactics
Dunphy - wants football played the 'right way' and has rarely got a football prediction right in his life
Brady - failed at Brighton and Celtic
it would make a funny behind the scenes documentary.
Whoever paid €120 a ticket are apart of this problem also
What €120😮
Whoever sold tickets for €120 for that level of mediocrity should be ashamed of themselves for daylight robbery.
Total humiliation. But don't look at it like that. Look at it as the end of Kenny! that's the best thing that has happened our team in years.
No it’s not. We rarely qualify for anything and played HOOFBALL since the 80s. Kenny took the blow, but he’s changed how we play. Maybe a better manager will have to structure us differently.
Ireland was once a highly respected team, boasting a 6th-place world ranking and a reputation for consistently defeating top-tier opponents. We approached every match without fear and were known for our formidable resilience. Our performance remained strong until the mid-2000s when a significant decline set in. Kenny has since made remarkable improvements to the team; just four years ago, our ability to even pass the ball was in doubt. Nonetheless, Ireland is a nation with a rich sporting tradition. Our rugby team holds the top spot in the world rankings, and we have world-class boxers, golfers, and more. There is no reason we can't set our sights on achieving the highest standards in football as well. Personally I believe loyalty to players is the cardinal sin in sports. Players should be dropped on a moments notice if they are not on form. Ultimately our players do not have a winning mindset, they rarely experienced winning, and winning becomes habit, as does losing. This team is caught in that mindset. They fear success as its new territory for them . Kenny has done a decent job and has built a team that at least can compete, we are just too inexperienced at winning and this won't change. @@LeMerch
and what, revert back to type... morons all over this thread man
@@TheContrarianMind ultimately football is the 3rd most popular sport on the island and we are now selecting from a pool of players at the bottom end of the PL and the leagues below. The globalisation of the PL is a massive factor as our players are getting less of a chance. We should look to develop our own players for a specific system and maybe look to utilise the european leagues more where they can get more football that is still of a decent standard
What’s he meant to do with championship players seriously…. Except Ferguson and Colman that’s prem standards… most of the Irish team don’t even have a Irish passport.., come on people
Shane Duffy well there's a start 🤣🤣🤣
If Kenny goes then, fans, media need to accept that we need a more pragmatic approach. We can't expect to take these teams on at their own game. We need to play to our strengths, which may not be pretty.
Exactly, I don't know where all these pipe dream notions came from the Kenny philosophy hype was unreal. He was being back to the hilt, any slight positive was spun as a 'corner turned'.
The fact is high energy quick direct football suits Ireland's players, especially with the pace they have. That does not mean hoofing the ball for the sake of it, I mean direct ball with a purpose.
@@nigefal Yeah, it was a nice thought that he could turn us into Brazil. But it's been a total disaster from the off, in terms of results. We should play to our limited strengths
I agree after tonight. Should have went at them direct when 2-1 down. Saying that, people will complain regardless. I just want the team to win, I don’t care how we win
Your mentality is exactly what’s wrong with Ireland. The biggest problem and the one thing holding Ireland back is PASSIVENESS. Their press is too passive.
@@Slim-Clips No, we haven't got the players. The likes of James McLean still playing for us, up against Netherlands. Get real
I think Shane Duffy is a man behind the times at international level now, both goals come from hia mindset of defending his box first and foremost and playing boys onside.
Probably time to change manager though, he had no answer to the shape change from the Dutch in the second half.
He should NEVER have been appointed to this position! He didn't have any serious managerial experience to progress us internationally! Any up & coming players who have international options will only view playing for ROI as a last resort as probably already has happened with Rice & Grealish!
He was hopeless, an embarrassment, totally out of his depth.
Did we not lose them under a different manager
I don't understand why the FAI is escaping blame the manager is terrible yes but it's upstairs that put him incharge the whole thing is a complete mess
I see people saying things like "We have to play to our strengths(ie go direct). That may not be pretty" and "I just want the team to win. I dont care how we win". 100% disagree. IMO We should absolutely care how we play. We need to continue to build a football philosophy/culture in the country. SK tried, & failed so we move on to another manager with a similar philosophy and keep trying.
Did people really believe it was a one manager fix?? That it would be that easy???? Of course not. We had 20+yrs of hoofball. The game died here under that. The reason our squad is the worst one we have ever had is coz of decades of terrible football/negative coaching from yth team up to national team. Lets give passing football a bit longer then SKs reign. In the long run itll pay off for the game here. Hoofball wont.
We arent Spain and we never are going to be even with all the training camps in the world here. The reality is noone in ireland old or young knows that style to change the footballing culture. Even if they did know u'd be waiting 20 yrs to see them string a couple of fancy passes together. Lets stick to what we used to be good at and were known for. Lets pass that knowledge and culture on by getting the right people to teach the u16's etc. Get some old premiership players to show this useless bunch how to defend for a start, then we can worry about get fancy.
@@fruitcakereaper6014 What a negative outlook.. Croatia arent Spain either but theyve built a footballing philosophy. Any country can do it if you have the ambition.
I firmly believe we can produce top quality footballers here if we encourage them to enjoy playing the game, to pass, to dribble etc. Theres loads of talent among our kids. We are just missing out on it as they arent taking up the game. If we market the game much better to the next generation then we will produce better footballers.
This island has produced plenty of great footballers b4. The only reason we have stopped over the last 20yrs or so is coz we have let the game die here via long ball football.
GAA and rugby have moved ahead of football when it comes to hoovering up young talent. The whole set up needs a revamp. It seems to be happening now with youth football which is great. SK tried it with the international team(unfortunately he inherited the worst squad ever tho.... tks to 20yrs of hoofball).. It didnt work for SK but that doesnt mean we give up... AFTER JUST 3yrs !!..
We need to engrain a passing, technical football culture into our country. If it takes 20yrs to see the progress of that then itll be 20yrs well spent. Unlike the 20yrs of hoofball under Trap, ONeill and McCarthy where the game literally died here.
I do think Stephen Kenny is low standard manager I think cause he is a league of Ireland I think if he was premier league manager he would been gone by now. I think they have been too nice to him and that
For a start he'd have premiership players in the premier league, not what the Irish team currently has.
Stephen Kelly is desperate, rabbits on consistently without saying anything substantial
Honestly an utterly ridiculous conversation here. Pure hot air
When players are garbage there's nothing anyone can do
You could put Klopp or Pep in charge and it would not make a difference. They are a good, honest bunch of players doing their best but their best is simply not enough. I think Kenny's idea of passing football is laudable but our lot can't do it. I dunno, maybe stick 5 along the back and live off counter attacks?
Exactly, nail on the head that is consistently ignored.
😂😂 bs so pep or Klopp couldn’t get results against Luxembourg Finland Azerbaijan and the rest
@@kevinmartin5489what is consistently ignored that we are inferior and shouldn’t be winning games but what’s the excuses for not beating the inferior teams
@@malsmith1618 not with this lot.
Send him back to league of Ireland, he’s completely out of his debt. Only Ireland would put someone of this calibre in charge of our country and expect to brain wash supporters to get behind him. A joke of an appointment from the start..
Didi hit the nail on the head. We could be getting more out if the players.
More????
@@Marjopolo302 Yes more. We qualified for euro 2012, 2016, and lost peno shoot-out in the playoff for the last Euros - with a manager who wasnt a fool
@@GuineaPig91Those players in 2012 and 2016 were very different players to the ones we had playing against Netherlands and France.
This is the poorest group of players Ireland have had in our lifetimes and that is clearly showing in our results.
Having seen several Ireland managers on their last game in charge of Ireland, the performances show that the players are playing for Kenny but are just coming up short because the quality isn’t there.
@@TOFB
Spot on
These high expecting know nothing writers above are merely embarrassing themselves
Ireland would struggle to win league2 in England
@TOFB poorer than the players Mick Mc Carthy players who got to a play off?
if he loves his country he will step down
Very easy to knock the manager but the pundits did not answer the valid question as to what they would have done differently. If the opposition have better quality players, you are up against it. Kenny is likely doing all he can with the squad he has.
In a way, yes, but Kenny is simply out of his depth. Remember we got to Euro 2012 with a frankly rubbish team that had at the time a great manager in Trappattoni.
@@conorcahill5422 Trapattoni didn't believe the Irish players could play football and the team was unwatcheable as they also were under Martin O'Neill. At least Kenny is trying to have them play and pass the ball which is unique for an Irish team. The Irish players are doing their best for Kenny but they just lack quality. God himself could not get any more out of this Irish team.
Yer nuts Kenny is crap
@@conorcahill5422😂 Clueless. We had a squad full of players that actually started for their premier league teams and championship teams.
Great manager trap. Broke 3 different records in the euros
Get Graham Potter on the phone asap
No chance
Why would he take that?
Brendan rodgers might?
I have a terrible feeling we will end up with Robbie keane
There were people in the fai who wanted that. And they were against stephen Kenny. They were in the mccarthy/ john delaney camp. Bringing in Robbie Keane is pie in the sky nostalgic nonsense. And he has no managerial/coaching experience at all.
@@andrewclavin7447a duff keane duo.
@@andrewclavin7447 celtic are in the champions league, no chance of Brendan
It’s a results business and previous managers were sacked for poor results.
FAI no longer has the cash to attract a big name. Compare Kenny’s salary to Trapattoni.
Why not move away from that and focus more on playing style at grassroots.
It has been an interesting experiment that has sadly failed. A lot of it comes back to the pick and our current pool of players. However, i think a more tactically astute and experienced manger (even middle to lower part of C.shIp) "might" move us further up the road to recovery.
If Damien Duff is the next manager of these lads i give up
They should have stuck with Mick
I'd rather watch Ireland lose while playing football, instead of hoofing for results
You into beastiality? Keep talking about hoofs
There is no manager that will qualify these players for any tournament. I’ll challenge any of these pundits to take the lead and qualifying them for a tournament.
Utter nonsense. We’ve a decent squad. Loads of countries have worse players and outperform us. I wonder why. Coaching, that’s why.
If the FAI had brains, they’d know they need a foreign manager who can coach a competent high press.
Get a foreign manager who actually knows how to coach a high press.
Bring in Big Sam, 4-4-2, Duffy and Idah up front. Glory days are coming
😂
Nah, Big Sam would call Quinn and Cascarino out of retirement and encourage long balls to be hoofed into the opposition box.
@@rayfootblogs quinn would do better even today than these losers
Didi speaking Facts. It’s a Results business Kenny been giving plenty time and Backing and he’s not Delivered simple as it’s time to go even if it meant getting a Foreign manager in who can play a more attractive style and better in game management and Tactics the players are also to blame. When you see the Likes of teams who are far level below play better and get results it’s pretty worrying. We should be doing a lot better than what we have been. Only reason Kenny still in cuz he was LOI manager. Joke fans spending money home and away to see that level of Performances. Fans need to voice there frustrations to gone on way to long
We shouldn't expect as much from this group of players, but, that being said I think its time to change the manager and try something different
Imagine trying to defend Stephen Kenny at this point. Ffs.
We need an English manager, like Jack Charlton or Mick McCarthy. The League of Ireland doesn’t generate enough managerial talent
If English managers were any good they would be in charge of top PL clubs. They're not. Proof, Liverpool (German), Man City (Spanish), Arsenal (Spanish), Chelsea (Argentinian), Tottenham (Greek), Man Utd (Netherlands).
Tottenham is Australia mate 😂😂
@@jameskilmeen😂
@@gspvideo5543 Ange Postecogluoplous
Jesus god no Mccarthy, is a serious step backwards
Ireland should appoint southgate when england sack him
You can't turn players with limited ability into diamonds when they are playing (or not) at clubs like Preston, Middlesborough, Stoke, their's a reason why they are not playung for our oponents teams (France and Holland) like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Man City, Liverpool, Juventus, PSG etc....the stats don't lie, unless that huge ability gap is changed Ireland will continue to fall to qualify for tournaments and I would say as a 50 year old man i could well be dead by the time they do, and I'm not kidding, we are maybe decades away.
FAI get rid of Vera Pauw but have kept Kenny, makes zero sense. Kenny has done nothing positive with Ireland
I really cannot believe how established football pundits are all saying the same thing about Stephen Kenny. How we can all have such high expectations of this Ireland team, it’s a bit out of touch. The football is better. The results are the same. I for one prefer watching us try to play football as opposed to route 1 every time.
Without pointing fingers last night, had we kept a defensive line, both goal’s wouldn’t have stood. If we were a bit more ruthless up front we would have won the game.
Those are errors on the pitch, nothing to do with the manager.
Who do we bring in that’s going to drastically improve the results?
They are great at pointing out the problems but can’t identify any solutions. The real question is, if we sack Kenny (which I agree with), what manager can we get/ afford, because our options are very limited!
Dont be buying the tickets cause you be wasting your money once the tickets are still getting sold they dont care because we are all made to believe that its gonna get better when its only staying the same. So i dont blame stephen he is just trying to do his job that he isnt capable of doing at that level. I blame the the Fai for letting it go this far. There should be ameeting called tomorrow discussing the whole coaching staffs future with that andrews gone aswel. They are brutal
They defo don't have the personal. Ireland seem so far off the rest of Europe's middle tier/top tier teams. Ferguson offers a future but they need more. If they had beaten Netherlands, would have been a huge shock. But they ain't anywhere near Netherlands
Its like the filmset of Fair City with Dieter from Killinaskully thrown in. These budget pundits are clowns.....at least Dunphy and Giles have spark....Sadlier barely dirtied his boots on a pitch and this is the best RTE can do.....budget quality from a budget station.....
5 competitive wins in 26 matches. Yes you can say its a poor squad but he keeps saying it'll improve and get better when it hasn't happened. it just hasn't worked out for Stephen Kenny and its time to move on for the good of everybody
It did get better when they started playing football instead of the shite they played under trapatoni. The squad just doesnt have the midfield personel to get anything done right now. If they start not playing football again, nobody will go to the games & endure that route one shite.
The FAI should set up an academy. Where players can be scouted for and nurtured. Ireland is very cosmopolitan,we have DNA from all over the world,South America,Eastern Europe and Asia. Its the 'Elephant In The Room' ,no doubt. Look at England. The game has improved Men /Women ,leaps and bounds.The FAI don't want to spend!GREED!!!!
And what planet is your DNA from? - Cos it certainly ain't from this one
Bring back Steve Staunton
Stephen took the team as far as he can. Thanks Stephen .
Yeah, over a cliff, where do these clowns come from?
@@kenoneill8783 blame the delaney mafia.
To defeat? 😂
@@kennyryan625 It's so easy to kick a man when he's down. Let's just say that he done his best..but it wasn't good enough. Move on.
Always blame the manager the players we are not good enough its as simple as that
Im not watching longball, keep him, Martin and trap the football is not watchable
Robbie keane only scored like 68 goals. Boring right?
Nobody with his resume would get an international position.Dunfermline, Dundalk etc , everyone wanted him to succeed because he is such a nice person but the only thing that matters, in the end, are the results, winning cures everything.
Didi is the best pundit...has been for a while Sadlier is a word salad helum baloon and the other guy is wallpaper....Collins is a good MC, Maloney is a better commentator.
Kenny only managed league of Ireland .hes out of his depth
Do people really expect us to beat the likes of France and the Netherlands when we have no players at the top clubs in England or playing in the Champions League?
No but the trouble is we're not competitive against sides raked near us either like Greece
It’s all down to a wider problem within the game in Ireland. First, look beyond the narrow focus that has infected soccer in Ireland and see how other organisations operate and you’ll realise that the FAI and the LoI are small narrow minded organisations. The club game in Ireland needs to think differently,from the smallest community based kids clubs right the whole way up all the levels to the the senior men’s and ladies teams. The outrageously bad state of the LoI and the clubs in it, is just a disgrace. An outright disgrace.
Stephen Kenny is absolutely right with his philosophy on how the game should be played but we have to recognise that he’s just the first manager to try this. We have people that can compete but from the time that they first kick a ball as children they are victims of the small minded people that are in charge, where win, win, win, is the only focus. That has to change. Stephen Kenny has been successful in one aspect - he has shown us that the systems we have in place now in Ireland are rubbish. There are no proper structures or coaching in this country andthe realisation is growing that it’s going to take a complete paradigm shift right across the entire amateur game in Ireland from when the youngest kids start playing, right through to the national representative levels. We need more people with Kenny’s philosophical approach to now come in and start coaching and running the game at the grass roots levels. At the moment, Soccer and how it’s run in Ireland, isn’t fit for purpose. And when we begin to develop the game here, if it means a ten to twenty year period where we win nothing or qualify for nothing at senior level, then so be it.
Ah! The old handy scapegoat, blame the coaching. How do you explain Evan Ferguson so ?
@@davidpryle3935 : one in a million, or maybe five million and a force of nature and a product of excellent parenting by a father who is completely au fait with the footballing world…
Indeed. I remember reading an article where Ruud Doktor recommended a root and branch reform of the youth system in Ireland, only to be met with hostility from the schoolboy leagues. “What the f**k does he know about football in Ireland?” was apparently the response.
I personally would recommend more small sided games for younger players, with an emphasis on retaining possession. People playing on adult pitches from eight years old only encourages hoofball.
@@TheLastAngryMan01 More scapegoating about coaching ! The fact of the matter is, great players are not produced by coaching, they are produced by nature. There are still plenty Irish players making it as professional footballers in the English league. How high a level they make it in that league, is down to nature. Ireland will always struggle in the truly global game of football, as Ireland is unique in Europe, in the fact that football is a minority sport in Ireland. If it wasn’t for the great dedication of the officials and supporters of the LOI clubs, who somehow, against all the odds,have kept professional football alive in Ireland, there wouldn’t be a league at all.
@@davidpryle3935 Is that right? If it’s all down to natural talent and nothing else, how come Roy Keane was rejected by several English clubs and the national team as a youngster? Yet he played with distinction on the highest stage as a senior pro. He said himself that his desire to improve got him over the line.
How come Iceland, with a population less than one-tenth of ours, has been performing better than us in recent years? Even Northern Ireland, with probably a pick of around 800k or so (when you factor in that most Nationalists play for us) have been getting closer to qualification than us.
I’m not having a go at the LOI, but Ireland’s
footballing infrastructure has been flagged as a problem on several occasions, going back to the Genesis report after the 2002 World Cup. The fact that most Irish football fans don’t support domestic soccer is also a big hindrance.
great to see spectators still view this group as Ireland's golden generation...
Which spectators are they because I've not met them?
Steven kenny told them that, Must have thought we were germany
@@fitzerelli1 Want to send me a link to where he said it or is that just hearsay? If he did then the current Germany squad is not the best example going on their manager and results.
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158
They're the pits
Please align expectations accordingly
The panel now is shocking
We up our game vs the big teams. Lose by 1 or 2.. if we can take the same effort vs the Netherlands, France etc.. we need to get the players up for the "lesser" games . Give the same effort vs Netherlands or Greece, the Players have a lot to answer for but the management need to realise the Same tactics vs France is not the way to play vs Greece or others. Play to your strengths.
The big problem in irish football is FAI!
Guardiola isn't getting this group of players through this group. The unrealistic expectations of the majority of Irish fans is so dumb.
Not one constructive comment as to what they could do better, just commenting on results which fair enough haven't been great but what would they change if they were the manager. Other than the Greece result which was awful, this team have been good, they just haven't gotten any breaks. I know i'm probably in the minority, but I believe in Kenny, he will get a big result and with Ferguson to come in maybe they'll be more clinical in front of goal, stick with him, the alternative is to go to parking the bus
We can pray that premiership level midfielders start to emerge for the squad rapidly!
Ireland or Nigeria B team
Brilliant. The what we need to win formula is fewer Irish and more Africans. Maybe the FAI could do a deal with African states where Irish players line out for their national teams. Could be a few quid in it. John Kiley as the new Ireland manager.
Ugh. This racism bollocks creeping in, keep your bigotry to yourselves lads.
Going Into qualifying with no chance is awful,time for a proper manager one who can string a few words together, It's as if he is in complete shock that they have lost again.
Missed the lart were we should be beating France & Netherlands.
This Irish team are playing the best football we've played in over 30 years, the talent available is very average if Kenny can just get lucky with a couple of quality players this team could do very well. I say give him time, if we go back to likes of Trappatoni I for one won't even bother watching a game, it's horrific soccer
Didi knows his onions talks a lot of sence ..Kenny lovely guy but its not working he looked a broken man in the post match interview.
Im actually delighted SK tried to play passing football, altho I disagreed with some of his selections(McClean)/formations(wingbacks) etc. If anything the team stopped playin to his style towards the end of his reign. We lost confidence, stopped taking risks etc. Against the Dutch you could see the players took the easy option far too much. Kept passing it back to Bazunu for him to go long. Thats understandable tho as confidence was rock bottom by the last few games. When that happens then the manager has to go. SK had plenty of time but just not good enuff unfortunately, Hopefully we stick we the philosophy tho. Just coz the manager isnt good enuff that doesnt mean the philosophy isnt. Plus I never thought itd be a one manager fix
The way people talk about our passing game its like we are like Brazil or Man City only on occasion under Kenny we played passing at the back 4 when teams allowed it a mix of 2 we are always better when we more physical and dogged we have to mix the 2 styles
Stephen Kelly harping back to "my time"?? You didn't have a time kiddo! I didn't even know who you were!!
Championship players V Champions League Winners. What did you think was going to happen?
Would love to see the next manager making sure the players all learn how to sing the National Anthem. First exercise in bonding and belief.
@@ontheturningaway considering I’m 70yrs old I think I’ve already grown up. As I’m sure you know the anthems are always played and sung before internationals and part of the games. A great rallying point before getting STUCK IN…🇮🇪
The unwavering support for Kenny from a section of our supporters is insane.
Trappatoni, McCarthy and O'Neill got better results and were chased out the door for the style of football, Kenny hasn't improved us in any capacity, but because he has convinced fans that it's a work in progress he has somehow clung onto the job, he's worse than Steve Staunton (who also got chased out)
Before people start with the nonsense 'noone else could do any better' give it a fucking rest, we have always had to punch above our weight and in the past have been able to, Kenny has us losing and drawing with minnows and his only significant win was against a scotland team who then proceeded to beat us.
Get him out for fuck sake
Kenny has allowed the team to play football, which is what the game is. Given the squad the previous 3 had, they were shite and played shite football. Trappatoni started the unwatchable rot, the nervous constant backpassing.
@kevinmartin5489 if by 'playing football' you mean aimlessly passing it sidewards and backwards until we concede, creating very few opportunities until we resort to lumping the ball long anyway and inevitably failing to win, then yes, he has got us playing football.
You really are clueless if you think that Kenny has progressed the national team in any way.
Also, you genuinely think the squads trappatoni and Martin O'Neil had were any worse than this one? Our best player under O'Neill was Jonny Walters and trappatoni got hammered for not playing Wes Hoolahan who was made out to be the second coming of messi, that's how good their squads were.
Just be honest and admit you will excuse anything Kenny does as he's a league of ireland managerial legend, whilst trappatoni was Italian and o neill was a dirty nordie.
nope, more what they were doing in the last competition. The midfields shot in this one, that was clear to see against France.@@belfastbhoy5679
Don't care, lad. Kenny obviously needs to go, but Trap and O'Neill played the most horrendous shite imaginable. It's not rocket science why people defended Kenny so much despite the results.
If they got another hoofball manager, I'll cancel my session tickets.
@barryb90 if you don't care why are you commenting? Trap and O'Neill got us to tournaments playing a poor brand of football, Kenny hasn't got us to any tournaments whilst also playing a poor brand of football.
Are you just listening to Kenny without watching the games? The team genuinely pass it aimlessly and create next to no goal scoring opportunities and you're trying to act like we play like prime barca.
Please do cancel it, mate, you haven't a fucking clue about football
Does Didi want the FAI to appoint Hervé Renard? That would be a left-field choice. 😅
Bring back launching the ball up to a 6f 4 centre forward put em under pressure
They don't have the players it doesn't matter who are in charge
Didi on the money
Having had a look through all Kennys results, other than Greece what games exactly did they lose that you wouldn't of expected them to? Armenia maybe, but that's about it. Easy to be critical without offering any constructive way of fixing things
Am Scottish and Republic of Ireland are better side than the results they've had
Typical pundits. Can't do it themselves and also have no actual solution.
See if they can find a defender playing a higher standard than one who's made 2 appearances in 5 championship games etc
Who is that kid on the left?
Stephen Kelly, played for Ireland and Birmingham City.
Id bring Roy keane in - his style would be good in short bursts such as international windows. And they are a young squad - he has an aura and they would die for him.
Keane is the reason Rice left Ireland to play for England. His man management skills are non existent
Keane wouldn’t manage in this era - purely because he knows he wouldn’t achieve anything with the players we have.
Give Roy Keane the job fans will be buzzing
We couldn't qualify under eoin hand and all the superstars that were in his teams
Yeah but it was much harder to qualify for torunaments in Eoin Hand's day. There were much fewer spots. There is also the Nations League avenue as well. Now if you don't qualify for a tournament, it means your manager/team is particularly shite.
@@nigefal all right I get your points but I will ask you this how many times have we beaten the Dutch and French in competitive games over the years even when we had top class teams and now there is a big outcry because kenny can't do it with youngsters starting out give him some credit for trying at least
I think we’ve a good group of lads and Kenny has helped them develop but ultimately we aren’t going to outplay technically better teams . Useful skill set to have developed in the players but maybe best to go back to a “park the bus , long ball , counter attack” team ? Knight is a decent player in role against Dutch . Progresses ball , good retention , few good passes that might have resulted in goals . I’d not be playing malumby or smallbone much though . Very regressive . Don’t want to take any responsibility on the ball to make something happen . Safety first and back passes which puts pressure on defence and allows teams to settle . I think this is where Kenny got his selections wrong . Wanted progressive football but played safe players that put not making mistakes over making play first . Few of the lads have proven themselves to be up to it and few lads to develop over next few years . To be honest I think Kenny did an ok job and things looking better for future
Pep said he's interested
I am all for giving new managers time to prove himself but I knew from game one Kenny wasnt going to be a successful manager.Let us hope and pray for a miracle that we can qualify through a play off.
I’m sorry but What is it ireland fans want exactly? I’m Irish too and I had no expectations for us to be beating the likes of France and Netherlands over two games. Even with wins against Gibraltar and Greece it wouldn’t be good enough (depending on other results etc). Did you expect us to get out of this group like really? Come on now it’s basically a championship level side. Judge him on the next two games
FAI maybe has no money to pay him off so as long as fan turn up he will be there?
Sure look at all the years he managed in scotland
its the old get rid of the manager time again...when will we not just accept .we have not got the players
It’s a results business and results have been dismal. That’s the end of the story really. Yeah the players are the poorest crop probably ever especially that midfield. You won’t do much with it. But we were well outplayed by Greece and there have been numerous other terrible results against minnows. Kenny is out of his depth but it’s not a surprise. We really need to stop putting LOI managers in charge of the international team.
Greece won the competition before so its no surprise they can beat this squad.
@@kevinmartin5489??????? That was 20 years ago!! They’ve done nothing since then. Everyone can beat this squad. The Kenny defenders are becoming laughable now. It’s like a cult. Nowhere else would a manager have survived for so long on such dismal results. We’ve lost at home to Luxembourg for Gods sake under Kenny. It’s gone far enough.
We lost 16 of 36 matches since Kenny and only beat one country ranked above us, Scotland in June 2022.
It took 12 games for a first win - against Andorra.
How long do transitional periods last?
He has to go. Enough is enough.