The Portuguese burnt plenty of literature of Syrian Christians in the 16th century and tried their best to destroy the faithful in Kerala by manipulation and force which continues till today by the Vatican in Rome. I felt that this was another attempt by an outsider of Kerala to again confuse and destroy the faith of St. Thomas Apostle's arrival in India which is surprising because the Jews were in Kerala after the destruction of Solomons temple and Apostle Thomas first evangelised those Jews who settled here some 1000 years ago before the arrival of Thomas. Its sad to see such videos which try to twist the truth by saying Ethiopia was India because Kerala had trade relations with Middle East for thousands of years before Thomas came so India was known to him and others.
I’m a St. Thomas Christian, whose ancestors migrated from Nilackel, Kerala to Kadampnaad, Kollam, Kerala and consecrated the St. Thomas church in Kadampnaad in AD 325. This ancient church still follows the Indian Syrian Christian traditions of St. Thomas and I’m a proud member of that church and it’s traditions 😊😊
The presenter is twisting the fact.We believe that St.Thomas really came to India to preach and to give witness about Our Lord.He is speaking as if he the master.
Dear sir, it doesn't matter whether he came or not, christ and his apostles reach out to everyone who want to be uplifted in consciousness, and so do all masters. 🙏
I am a St. Thomas Christian from Kothanalloor, Kottayam. I have no doubt about the fact that St. Thomas came to India and Malabar. There are many ancient churches around my home including Marth Marium Church - Kuraviland of 2nd Century, Old Kaduthuruthy Church of 4th Century, Muttuchira Holy Ghost Church of 5th Century and my parish - the Kothanallor Church of 8th Century. There are enough stories about each churches that transferred through generations which provides proof about our rich heritage and history.
St Thomas baptized five families in kerala. Kalli, kalliyangal, kaali, Shangarapuri n Pakalomattom, we can see these families still in the different parts of Kerala. Myself I am from pakalomattom family with a large number of Bishop's, priests, pastors and nuns are in the service of Jesus Christ.
@@sus_6537we don't need to the first churches were converted temples and you know low castes weren't even allowed near a temple till the temple entry proclamation in the 1930s that's proves our brahmin - Nair ancestry
Dear Father, Thanks for sharing an excellent video. In ancient Anuradhapura (SriLanka), a cross was found carved on a rock. Dated, I believe to be around 4th century, it's the same design as the Syrio-Malabar Cross in your video. Today it's part of the Catholic flag of Sri Lanka. Like St Joseph Vaz, in ancient times Christianity came to our island through India. God bless
Thank you for this presentation. You mentioned "Nasrani" but did not elaborate on that other than saying that it was a term used by Arab Muslims, which is correct. In fact, Nasrani comes from the Koranic-Arabic word Nasara (نَصَـٰرَىٰ ) which means "Christian" in the Koran. Arabic-speaking Christians refer to themselves as "Masihi" (مسيحي), which means "Messiah-follower". "Nasara" comes from the name of the hometown of Jesus Christ, Nazareth, which in Hebrew is נָצְרַת (Natsrat) and in Arabic is ناصرة (Nāṣira). Nasrani, therefore, means "Nazarene".
Nasrani is an Aramaic word, not Arabic word. Quran came almost 600 years after Christianity. When St.Thomas came to India, at 52 AD, there were no term as Christian. The word Nasrani was used to call the followers of the Jesus of Nazareth, so the Thomas Christians(who accepted faith through St.Thomas)are called as Nasranies till now. It has nothing to do with Quran and Arabic language . The term Nasrani existed before Quran itself and so keeping it as reference is not right, for me..
Christians all over the world used to be called Nasrani by others before the term was coined in Antioch. But the Arabs continued to call them that. This may be why Christians in Malaysia are called Srani. This is why ISIS agents marked the houses of Assyrian and Chaldean Christians with the Arab letter "Noon" just before an invasion. ---+--- The first recorded use of the term (or its cognates in other languages) is in the New Testament, in Acts 11 after Barnabas brought Saul (Paul) to Antioch where they taught the disciples for about a year, the text says that "the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch" (Acts 11:26).
Whether Thomas came to Kerala or not can be debated. But Syrian Christians use Syriac in their liturgy. Thus there was an early connection between Kerala n Syria in the first 5 centuries. Predating European Christianity.
We never see visible proof of St Thomas visit to India due to he came to India 2000 years ago not to built or not to write any book. Thomas came to India to spread Gospels to Indians. Thomas bring many Jews, upper and lower caste Hindus in Kerala to God path. Now we all proudly say we believed in one true God. PPL who don't believe in this we can ignore them. There are lots of fool ppl questions even existence of Jesus Christ. Let we continue the evangelisation st. Thomas started in India.
Its more because Portuguese who invaded Kerala destroyed lots of manuscripts of St Thomas' Christians who according to Portuguese were not Christians but pagans.This historical error by Portuguese were accepted and they sought forgiveness.
I am from Kerala and know few families who were earlier Brahmins and got embraced Christianity from St.Thomas. I strongly believe it. Because of our long coastal line approach to outside world before Christ, I as a Malayali have no problem in believing it. 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🌹🌹🌹❤️
I believe he came. good research and well presented. Appreciate your effort in bringing out such knowledge fill content...the later generation will greatly benefit from ..keep going ahead well done
இந்த நாட்டில் இருந்து ஆயிரமாயிரம் ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்பு வணிக தொடர்பு எகிப்து மற்றும் உலகமெங்கும் நடந்தது... கேரளாவின் முதன்மை விளைபொருள் மற்றும் உற்பத்தி பொருள் கப்பல்கள் மூலம் உலக வணிக சந்தையில் மிகுந்த வரவேற்பைப் பெற்றன... எனவே தங்கு தடையின்றி வணிக கப்பல்களின் பயணம் இருந்தால் தான் இசுரேல் நாட்டின் யூத மக்கள் இங்கு வந்து வாழ்ந்தனர்.... அவர்களை தேடி வந்ததே புனித தோமையர் அவர்கள்.... எனவே அக்காலங்களில் நமது வழிபாடு உலகளாவிய வழிபாடு.... மதங்கள் வரவில்லை... வழிபாடுகள் வழிவிலகி மதங்கள் ஆகின... இன்று கடவுளை விற்பனை செய்வது இந்த மதங்கள் தான்...
Mar Thoma came in search for lost 10 tribes who were longing for their messiah. All 7 churches he established were jewish colonies as per the local history, present day and archeological evidence includingthe copper plates granted to this community. We St.thomas Christians, eka Nazrani Christians of kerala, still worship in Suriyani, the native dielect of our messiah , jesus of Nazareth . Proud to be mar thoma nazrani .
There is some legendrical stories which say that st Thomas came to Sri Lanka. That the name " jinthupitiya" an administrative ward of Colombo is a derivative of thommepitiya. The bishop Oswald gomis, yet living and turned 90 today has written on it. The nestoriyan crosses have also been found here.
St. Thomas came to India, this is my strong feeling and may have assisted to preach Christianity in the south. As such the south Indians have a strong faith. Direct Apostle Connection,
Thank you for the wonderful explanation, it takes me back to my Indian Church History class in Seminary, I believe it's tradition and as you said it's one's faith.
I mean, technically theres no evidence peter went to rome either........and it's the same for the majority of the apostles. Only 2 or 3 can be confirmed.
My house in St. Thomas Mount is just about 50 feet away from the place there is monument on the steps up the St. Thomas Mount to mark his place where he was speared. The Portugese in their religious fervour did build several churches to mark as place of miracle or sanctity. Hence, these monuments need not necessarily authenticate the history. However, the presence of large number of Indian Christians owing their faith to the evangelization ministry of Thomas the Apostle, definitely lends credence to the theory of Thomas having ministered in Kerala and Tamil Nadu, especially.
I have a considerable respect regardin oral traditions. Indeed the hole Biblia, old and new Testament, before be writted come from oral traditions. It remained oraly preserved during centuries without lose his contents and fidelity. In ancient times, when there wasn´t any writing, folks preserved historical facts oraly. They knew how to do that well. .
I love the Miracle of Thomas the story of which you relate. It was so philosophical yet physical, proving nothing and everything. The Brahmins should have been flattered that it was given to them -- but it was a sword, dividing those able to accept it as an affirmance of One God from those to proud to accept the nullification of their traditions.
Yes Thomas came to India. When I was in Chennai. I used to go up to Thomas Mount and Sing songs and Read my Bible. I felt the Presence of GOD. IT'S AMAZING.
Thank you. I enjoyed seeing all the diverse evidence put together in one project, and in such a concise presentation! I think of faith as a trust, and I want to trust in what is "amen" - what is fixed, steadfast, reliable, unwavering ... "nailed" into place. These relate to a Hebrew word also for "true" or "truth" or "trustworthy". Since I can't see that any of these ideas of St. Thomas' possible work in India meets the standard that those adjectives signify, I can't say that I have any faith either way. Where my faith does lie is in the God of Israel and his anointed king Jesus of Nazareth, who do meet the standard that those adjectives signify. The Holy Trinity is trustworthy, and that is where my faith conviction rests secure. There is an interplay relationship whereby the one who trusts is trustworthy to the one deserving of trust, and the one deserving of trust is be definition trustworthy. This is our faith and loyalty relationship as Christians, and reflects the faithfulness and loyalty of Jesus the Messiah.
It is easy to see that the Catholic faith has struggled hard in India and have a feeling will not last much longer due to religious pressures both inside and outside the Faith. We now have a Pope that may the death nail to the Catholic Church. India has a rich history of philosophy and the Hindus bore some good examples of the best in virtues, loyalties, and stowic strengths that helped in conversions to Jesus because it was already built in them, making Christanity easy to take in. India can bear great minds to the Faith and may even save it from heresy if only the hardships of Politics can ease a bit, but that is in the deepest of wells unable too find water. Thank You So Much.
In our our hurry to find out about history and geography of Thomas, may we not forget the teaching he brought to the world i.e the message of God, the Bible, that of the NAZARENE (Jesus Christ).
Today I see a video... One of the Jewish man went back to israel from Kerala .. He is telling from his memory about St Thomas that he came to Kerala that time in Kochi all Jewish people received as him they think he is a rabbi But after that he start converting so many jews people from kochi to Christianity and become they are become his discipline also... ..they are start living in malabar region and followers of St Thomas.
for Latin Catholics and Roman Catholics, it is in their deliberate agenda to say that St Thomas did not come to India; basically because it is difficult to accept that Indians heard the gospel (in AD52) before the western hemisphere Christians (west of Jerusalem), after AD 325, after Constantine forced the Roman Empire to convert to Christianity.
Great, Thats great information.. As mentioned Arikamedu is near Mylapore, Where is this Arikamedu located exactly ....and second Arikamedu is in Pondicherry which is also known Indi-Roman Trade Center... Pl reply
Yes, it seems that St. Thomas came to India from the various narratives. Pray our Country is Blessed by St Thomas with prayers for Love Peace Unity, spiritual enlightenment filled with Happiness of India.
Thank you Rev. Fr .It is very clear that you have made a deep study in this historical long standing controversy I am also belonging to Nasarani Christian. We celebrate The Martyrdom. Day of St. Thomas on July 4th every year. A. Sreedhara menon, a great scholar in Kerala History agreed that St. Thomas came in the Kerala coast in A. D 52. The British Encyclopedia also greed this historical event. You might have heard an opinion from Our Late Holiness Pope Benedict 16th that St. Thomas didn't Come to India. Even if we can't deny His view for He was a great scholar, it brought about great protest among the Nasarani Christians. Rev. Fr. thank you for your deep scholarly study Fr.
Thank you for a brilliant analysis, When I visited the alleged St.Thomas tomb as a foreign tourist, there was a stray dog sleeping on it within the church premises.
It's not a sin for a dog to be on the tomb of a saint. This dog is pure and innocent, perhaps much better than many people. So, for us Christians it is not an outrage.
The literature regarding St Thomas and the church records were destroyed by the Portuguese priests as heretical, the Roman Catholic Church actually destroyed the indigenous Christian culture, the Roman Catholic Church has its own narrative to show that it's supreme.
We find great difficulty in the Christian history in Kerala, because of the manipulation made by the Portuguese Christian system. There are many. Eg. The city in the first century 'Palore ' in which St. Thomas preached was formated into Palayur at different place by two centuries ago. Actually St. Thomas came at Palore in search of God's people the Jews. May be their Synagogue had change into Church. He reached there by a waterway from the Arabian sea ending on the pond nearby that Church. Which was also manipulated in to Brahmin baptism theory. And another manipulated history happened against the ancient Church in Palore that a priest was killed in its Holy Altar by Tippu Sultan. That was a well-known story in that whole Taluk. The truth unearthed by three decades ago that Tippu's war against Nazranigur was in 1789,but the present Church was built in 1806. The port ' Muziris' of Pleny the elder was erased from history. It's forced to believe that place is Kodungallur. There no research and no evidence of first Chera dynasty ruled in between 3rd century BC and 300 CE. We know that the Palore city and Muziris port was ruled by them and St. Thomas came there amidst their ruling. It's the 2nd Chera dynasty moved from there to Kodungallur by fifth century.
God seeks to gift faith. Satan and human nature seek to sow doubt. This video sows doubt through an open ended conclusion (lack of clear affirmative statement). Faith and reason are both required, with faith being greater. Without faith, you cannot come into contact with God. In the same way, the Bible and Catholic tradition (with vetting of Catholic Church) go hand in hand. There is a reason the initial fathers of the church through prayer decided, the apocryphal book "Acts of Thomas" won't be a part of the Bible, because it was not from God (ie through divine intervention in part or full). Yet you use it as a reference. Why? You also state that multiple Church Fathers (saints) clearly have written about St. Thomas evangelising India. For a true Catholic, we require no other proof. Yet, you have mentioned it as one among many theories. Through reason we can see that, if Christians were present in present day region of Kerala before Portuguese settlers and St. Francis Xavier arrived in 15-16th century, where did they come from? They did not grow out from the soil. Someone evangelised the region. All indicators (ancient churches, songs, prayers, Syrian rite, oral traditions) point to this. It wasn't Arab merchants, not Jewish migrators or even any ordinary evangelist. It had to be someone filled with the Holy Spirit. To baptise a whole region, and for such communities to survive through centuries is a work of the Hand of God. If you cannot contribute to increasing faith in souls, you are not serving God or His Church. You are serving something else. So my request is this. If you cannot share in spreading the faith, it is better to stay quiet, if your intent is to serve God. I say this with love.
The Brahmins arrived in Kerala only in the 7 th century according to the Kerala History. So how can you connect the brahmins and the arrival of St Thomas,?
This is a clear, cool analysis of the belief. I, though an agnost, believe that St. Thomas indeed came to India to spread the Gospel & was martyred on present day St. Thomas Mount.
It was a wonderful search to establish if St: Thomas had come to India to preach the gospel first। If we are confirmed that all other 11disciples went to 11 different country or places of the world, it surely be St Thomas who came and preach the gospel, because someone did it, as a general understanding।
Apostle Thomas came to pakistan first..The ruined chapel at sircap near Taxila is the clear evidence. The Quaide Azam university of pakistan accepts the sircap museum and the Chapel at sircap pakistan. Moreover the Baltistan university of pakistan too has found out the large kavardo cross at Skardu of pakistan
ST. Thomas came to India. 100% True. He did many miracle in south India ( nowadays; Tamil Nadu and Kerala) in that time south India ruled by Cheran, cholan,Pandiya. St.Thomas was present 2,000 years ago. This was Plan of God.
I'm heavily convicted, and have been for years, that Saint Thomas came to Persia, Parthia & India, that the Christians Vasco de Gama met in the Kingdom of Calicut was Thomas's Church, and I'm also currently convicted that Saint Batholomew, Saint Pantænus & Saint Thomas of Kinayi all evangelized the Indian Subcontinent.
Christians all over the world used to be called Nasrani by others before the term was coined in Antioch. But the Arabs continued to call them that. This may be why Christians in Malaysia are called Srani. This is why ISIS agents marked the houses of Assyrian and Chaldean Christians with the Arab letter "Noon" just before an invasion. ---+--- The first recorded use of the term (or its cognates in other languages) is in the New Testament, in Acts 11 after Barnabas brought Saul (Paul) to Antioch where they taught the disciples for about a year, the text says that "the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch" (Acts 11:26).
I’m a member of Syrian Orthodox Church in Kerala. I have serious doubts regarding St.Thomas tradition, of him having evangelized in Kerala and converted Brahmins to Christianity. Kerala, 2000 years ago was ruled by the Cheras, and Brahmanical tradition (Nambhoothiri) did not exist in that region. If St.Thomas did come to Kerala, he most probably came to evalngelize amongst the Jews who came and settled there for trading purposes. If he was sent to Kerala, he would have gone there under the behest of St.James (Jesus’ brother) of Jerusalem, who did not encourage non Jews to become Christians. Of course, what I’ve said is speculative, as I have no basis to prove or disprove this theory. I believe this Church came into existence because of extensive contacts with existing middle Eastern churches in the Semitic world!
Thank you for your good research presentation on St. Thomas in India. I tend to think that it was St. Thomas who toiled in the land of India to preach the Gospel of Jesus and breathed his last breath in India.
My father's paternal grandparents were natives of Tamil Nadu and while I believe they were Hindu, I think my great grandmother took a more syncretistic approach to her religious practice. They believed that St Thomas came to India and I want to believe the same despite the lack of concrete evidence. I am curious to know if there are there people in South India who practice a mix of Christianity and Hinduism. I have heard that the Portuguese may have destroyed precious ancient palm leaf manuscripts in their 16th century attempts to make the more Hinduism-tolerant St Thomas Christianity of Kerala and Tamil Nadu, more closely resemble that of Rome. Does anyone have more information on this?
Significant information and well presented; thank you. Jesus commanded his followers to go into all the world and make disciples --and God would promote it. Lively trade between Mediterranean ports and Parthia existed; Roman coins are found in southern India.
I belong to the Syro Malabar rite and hence the historicity of St Thomas's arrival in India does matter. Unfortunately, after listening to this video, i am doubtful if we will ever know the truth.
+ A.M.D.G. I have known about this since my mother-in-law stayed with Bridgetine nuns while we were house-hunting in 1974 --- but i would love to know more ---- i also remember when the Gospel of St Thomas was printed while I did a holiday job in Harrod's book department in 1960 (?)
Solid research. Agree with most findings. Except the concluding statement that Apostle Thomas will intercede for us. Jesus is the only mediator btw God the Father and human beings. Therefore there is no need for another.
St. Thomas came to North of India starting from Edessa /Urfa via the euphrates tigris river route establishing churches in North of Iraq including Baghdad, South of Iraq in Basra, in what is now Iran, Afghanistan, what is now Pakistan and the northern parts of India and then he went back to Edessa /Urfa. Then he went to Egypt waited there for a ship to take him to south of India. He had written a book on his journey to India and it was discovered in St. Catherine's monastery in Egypt in the 18th century. The he found a ship that took him to the south of India and landed in kerala.
In TN it is a customary to write poems on any historical event. Until 13th or 14th century means until the arrival of European, there is no poems or meikeerthis. Portuguese destroyed sea shore temple and built the Santhom church. So the story of St Thomas story came to south India is a false one.
My lord and my God !!.. questioning of chosen saints like St Thomas and their evangilzation work under spirit guidance even after 2000 yrs of my Lord Christ. What ever you do chrisitanity will only grow as it is lead by Christ himself
The message is important than the carrier. St. Thomas was the carrier. His message was Christ. The beauty is none of the Apostles or anyone of Christ's followers claimed that Jesus vanquished all his enemies and became the King or anything similar to that theory. No body claimed superiority in winning rather everyone spoke of love and forgiveness. This is true across the world. There is universal consent on the main message of what Jesus Christ did or say and they are compatible with our commonsense too. The problem with seeking evidence for historical happenings is, they can always be contradicted with another evidence. So why bother? I am happy with the message and I am grateful to whoever be the person who brought them here to India.
Dear brother, you have put lot of unconfirmed history into picture. Then where did the historical places like santhome came into picture ? St.thomas mount where he was martyred. What aboutbthe bones which were in eanrhom till recently ?
As a christian i do believe in st Thomas visiting india Apostles are very important in Christianity many countries claim Apostle as holy Father's of their country and their country flags wer made by inspiration of Apostles name Thomas is a top 5 common names world population has such an important person is st Thomas and how his death and missionary will be in mystry world believe Thomas came to India their is no other evidence says Thomas went to other countries and Martin in other countries
2000 years ago, it was common to use trade winds to reach Malabar for pepper. So it's obvious that if St. Thomas ever decided to travel, it would have been trading posts of South India. And one more myth.. St. Thomas didn't come to evangelize local people, he came for Jewish, Syrians, Arabs, Romans and Armenian traders who were already living in southern trading post regions. And he was not assassinated by a washerman but he died of old age. Assassination theory was from Dutch traders of 16th century to elevate Thomas to martyrdom.
Did St. Thomas come to India? What is your faith conviction?
Excellent video for validating faith to belief .Brings people of our faith closer
There are Nambiar bhramins on that time how can they kill Thomas?
He did came.
The Portuguese burnt plenty of literature of Syrian Christians in the 16th century and tried their best to destroy the faithful in Kerala by manipulation and force which continues till today by the Vatican in Rome. I felt that this was another attempt by an outsider of Kerala to again confuse and destroy the faith of St. Thomas Apostle's arrival in India which is surprising because the Jews were in Kerala after the destruction of Solomons temple and Apostle Thomas first evangelised those Jews who settled here some 1000 years ago before the arrival of Thomas. Its sad to see such videos which try to twist the truth by saying Ethiopia was India because Kerala had trade relations with Middle East for thousands of years before Thomas came so India was known to him and others.
Which Christian faith was present in Kerala prior to arrival of Portuguese in Kerala?
I’m a St. Thomas Christian, whose ancestors migrated from Nilackel, Kerala to Kadampnaad, Kollam, Kerala and consecrated the St. Thomas church in Kadampnaad in AD 325. This ancient church still follows the Indian Syrian Christian traditions of St. Thomas and I’m a proud member of that church and it’s traditions 😊😊
So traditions say so to proof
The presenter is twisting the fact.We believe that St.Thomas really came to India to preach and to give witness about Our Lord.He is speaking as if he the master.
Aha Kollallo...I'm a St.Thomas Christian from Kallada...near Kadampanad
Seven Churches established by St. Thomas in Kerala India
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I want to visit your church.
Dear sir, it doesn't matter whether he came or not, christ and his apostles reach out to everyone who want to be uplifted in consciousness, and so do all masters. 🙏
A big Amen. God bless you bro.
Amen
Yes but it’s still interesting
I am a St. Thomas Christian from Kothanalloor, Kottayam. I have no doubt about the fact that St. Thomas came to India and Malabar. There are many ancient churches around my home including Marth Marium Church - Kuraviland of 2nd Century, Old Kaduthuruthy Church of 4th Century, Muttuchira Holy Ghost Church of 5th Century and my parish - the Kothanallor Church of 8th Century. There are enough stories about each churches that transferred through generations which provides proof about our rich heritage and history.
St Thomas baptized five families in kerala. Kalli, kalliyangal, kaali, Shangarapuri n Pakalomattom, we can see these families still in the different parts of Kerala. Myself I am from pakalomattom family with a large number of Bishop's, priests, pastors and nuns are in the service of Jesus Christ.
Even my family claims but I have my doubts
Why cannot do a DNA ancestory test of these members ?
self-attested certificates are not accepted in the matters of a credible history...probably, you can prove it with a DNA test😂
You mean Christians have different DNA. Not sure what you achieve with DNA test. Often traditions are powerful sources.
@@sus_6537we don't need to the first churches were converted temples and you know low castes weren't even allowed near a temple till the temple entry proclamation in the 1930s that's proves our brahmin - Nair ancestry
Thanks for your excellent analysis of St.Thomas coming to India. What matters is Christ the king. Thanks.
Dear Father, Thanks for sharing an excellent video.
In ancient Anuradhapura (SriLanka), a cross was found carved on a rock. Dated, I believe to be around 4th century, it's the same design as the Syrio-Malabar Cross in your video. Today it's part of the Catholic flag of Sri Lanka. Like St Joseph Vaz, in ancient times Christianity came to our island through India. God bless
Thank you for this presentation. You mentioned "Nasrani" but did not elaborate on that other than saying that it was a term used by Arab Muslims, which is correct. In fact, Nasrani comes from the Koranic-Arabic word Nasara (نَصَـٰرَىٰ ) which means "Christian" in the Koran. Arabic-speaking Christians refer to themselves as "Masihi" (مسيحي), which means "Messiah-follower". "Nasara" comes from the name of the hometown of Jesus Christ, Nazareth, which in Hebrew is נָצְרַת (Natsrat) and in Arabic is ناصرة (Nāṣira). Nasrani, therefore, means "Nazarene".
Thank you for your inputs.
Nasrani means followers of Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth.
Nasrani is an Aramaic word, not Arabic word. Quran came almost 600 years after Christianity.
When St.Thomas came to India, at 52 AD, there were no term as Christian. The word Nasrani was used to call the followers of the
Jesus of Nazareth, so the Thomas Christians(who accepted faith through St.Thomas)are called as Nasranies till now. It has nothing to do with Quran and Arabic language .
The term Nasrani existed before Quran itself and so keeping it as reference is not right, for me..
"Natsrat"? Even today that place is called "Nazaret" in Hebrew
Christians all over the world used to be called Nasrani by others before the term was coined in Antioch. But the Arabs continued to call them that. This may be why Christians in Malaysia are called Srani. This is why ISIS agents marked the houses of Assyrian and Chaldean Christians with the Arab letter "Noon" just before an invasion.
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The first recorded use of the term (or its cognates in other languages) is in the New Testament, in Acts 11 after Barnabas brought Saul (Paul) to Antioch where they taught the disciples for about a year, the text says that "the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch" (Acts 11:26).
Whether Thomas came to Kerala or not can be debated. But Syrian Christians use Syriac in their liturgy. Thus there was an early connection between Kerala n Syria in the first 5 centuries. Predating European Christianity.
We never see visible proof of St Thomas visit to India due to he came to India 2000 years ago not to built or not to write any book. Thomas came to India to spread Gospels to Indians. Thomas bring many Jews, upper and lower caste Hindus in Kerala to God path. Now we all proudly say we believed in one true God. PPL who don't believe in this we can ignore them. There are lots of fool ppl questions even existence of Jesus Christ. Let we continue the evangelisation st. Thomas started in India.
Its more because Portuguese who invaded Kerala destroyed lots of manuscripts of St Thomas' Christians who according to Portuguese were not Christians but pagans.This historical error by Portuguese were accepted and they sought forgiveness.
First bring upper and lower cast Christians together , catolics and protestents , because of them genocides were happened in the past.
@@AnjaliD-nb7cr The main reason for that is Portuguese. They brutally harassed these syrian Christians thats why they still fight with Latin liturgy's
I am from Kerala and know few families who were earlier Brahmins and got embraced Christianity from St.Thomas.
I strongly believe it. Because of our long coastal line approach to outside world before Christ, I as a Malayali have no problem in believing it. 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🌹🌹🌹❤️
Learn history properly 😂
I believe he came. good research and well presented. Appreciate your effort in bringing out such knowledge fill content...the later generation will greatly benefit from ..keep going ahead well done
thanks so much bro....may St Thomas bless us !!!
@@AJesuitAdventure Let God bless us not St Thomas. He is our beloved Apostle, who led us to Jesus and salvation. Amen
It is my belief that st. Thomas came to India for sure. Often tradition is a powerful source of history
Then Ramayana should also be true as Often tradition is a powerful source of history.
Very factually done. Faith is what will seal one's belief. St Thomas Bless My Country India.
I'm a German evangelical Christian. I do believe St. Thomas, the disciple of the Lord Jesus came to India!!!
Love you. God bless you
Very insightful.
Kudos to all your efforts you took to make a study and present the topic on an interesting way!
Glad it was helpful! thanks a lot for your encouragement 😍
இந்த நாட்டில் இருந்து ஆயிரமாயிரம் ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்பு வணிக தொடர்பு எகிப்து மற்றும் உலகமெங்கும் நடந்தது...
கேரளாவின் முதன்மை விளைபொருள் மற்றும் உற்பத்தி பொருள் கப்பல்கள் மூலம் உலக வணிக சந்தையில் மிகுந்த வரவேற்பைப் பெற்றன...
எனவே தங்கு தடையின்றி வணிக கப்பல்களின் பயணம் இருந்தால் தான் இசுரேல் நாட்டின் யூத மக்கள் இங்கு வந்து வாழ்ந்தனர்.... அவர்களை தேடி வந்ததே புனித தோமையர் அவர்கள்....
எனவே அக்காலங்களில் நமது வழிபாடு உலகளாவிய வழிபாடு....
மதங்கள் வரவில்லை...
வழிபாடுகள் வழிவிலகி மதங்கள் ஆகின...
இன்று கடவுளை விற்பனை செய்வது இந்த மதங்கள் தான்...
Such an interestingly detailed study. Whatever the theories Faith matters more and a belief in St Thomas
thanks for writing in....faith is what sustains us in life eventually 🙂
Mar Thoma came in search for lost 10 tribes who were longing for their messiah. All 7 churches he established were jewish colonies as per the local history, present day and archeological evidence includingthe copper plates granted to this community. We St.thomas Christians, eka Nazrani Christians of kerala, still worship in Suriyani, the native dielect of our messiah , jesus of Nazareth . Proud to be mar thoma nazrani .
Saint Thomas was in India in the year 55, in China in 69 and died in India in 72.
Great information, makes lots of sense.
FAKE Pope himself denies this false narratives in 2006
He never ever visited china 😂
He traveled only in 2 Indian states; Kerela & Tamilnadu
There is some legendrical stories which say that st Thomas came to Sri Lanka. That the name " jinthupitiya" an administrative ward of Colombo is a derivative of thommepitiya. The bishop Oswald gomis, yet living and turned 90 today has written on it. The nestoriyan crosses have also been found here.
St. Thomas came to India, this is my strong feeling and may have assisted to preach Christianity in the south. As such the south Indians have a strong faith. Direct Apostle Connection,
Thank you for the wonderful explanation, it takes me back to my Indian Church History class in Seminary, I believe it's tradition and as you said it's one's faith.
I mean, technically theres no evidence peter went to rome either........and it's the same for the majority of the apostles. Only 2 or 3 can be confirmed.
Nice video bro. I do believe that he came to India. However, even if he didn't, that doesn't matter. Faith is important 🙏
thats indeed an excellent insight Kaitan..God Bless!!!
@@AJesuitAdventure yes bro, we live by faith not by the proofs even though there are substantial proofs (for those who need).
My house in St. Thomas Mount is just about 50 feet away from the place there is monument on the steps up the St. Thomas Mount to mark his place where he was speared. The Portugese in their religious fervour did build several churches to mark as place of miracle or sanctity. Hence, these monuments need not necessarily authenticate the history. However, the presence of large number of Indian Christians owing their faith to the evangelization ministry of Thomas the Apostle, definitely lends credence to the theory of Thomas having ministered in Kerala and Tamil Nadu, especially.
I have a considerable respect regardin oral traditions. Indeed the hole Biblia, old and new Testament, before be writted come from oral traditions. It remained oraly preserved during centuries without lose his contents and fidelity. In ancient times, when there wasn´t any writing, folks preserved historical facts oraly. They knew how to do that well. .
Thanks. I believe in both north india and Mylapore traditions. Jerusalem to Judea to Samaria and to the ends of the earth Jesus is Lord.
I love the Miracle of Thomas the story of which you relate. It was so philosophical yet physical, proving nothing and everything. The Brahmins should have been flattered that it was given to them -- but it was a sword, dividing those able to accept it as an affirmance of One God from those to proud to accept the nullification of their traditions.
Yes Thomas came to India. When I was in Chennai. I used to go up to Thomas Mount and Sing songs and Read my Bible. I felt the Presence of GOD. IT'S AMAZING.
God bless
How could you proof??
@@dpikunpikun2655 just search the oldest church in India.... It was made by st Thomas way before the arrival of Portuguese and others
Thank you. I enjoyed seeing all the diverse evidence put together in one project, and in such a concise presentation! I think of faith as a trust, and I want to trust in what is "amen" - what is fixed, steadfast, reliable, unwavering ... "nailed" into place. These relate to a Hebrew word also for "true" or "truth" or "trustworthy". Since I can't see that any of these ideas of St. Thomas' possible work in India meets the standard that those adjectives signify, I can't say that I have any faith either way. Where my faith does lie is in the God of Israel and his anointed king Jesus of Nazareth, who do meet the standard that those adjectives signify. The Holy Trinity is trustworthy, and that is where my faith conviction rests secure. There is an interplay relationship whereby the one who trusts is trustworthy to the one deserving of trust, and the one deserving of trust is be definition trustworthy. This is our faith and loyalty relationship as Christians, and reflects the faithfulness and loyalty of Jesus the Messiah.
देखिए जिन दिव्य आत्माओं,या महात्माओं ने अपने दिव्य ज्ञान से इन्सानों को सही राह बताई उनको नमन है।
Wow... Fantastic to know so much more about St Thomas.... Great work Bro. Sumit.... Continue to keep inspiring... Sharing the Word
Thanks a ton bro !!!! All praise to God 😊
Creative and excellent work! 👍 Congratulations 👏
Thank you so much 😀
It is easy to see that the Catholic faith has struggled hard in India and have a feeling will not last much longer due to religious pressures both inside and outside the Faith. We now have a Pope that may the death nail to the Catholic Church. India has a rich history of philosophy and the Hindus bore some good examples of the best in virtues, loyalties, and stowic strengths that helped in conversions to Jesus because it was already built in them, making Christanity easy to take in. India can bear great minds to the Faith and may even save it from heresy if only the hardships of Politics can ease a bit, but that is in the deepest of wells unable too find water. Thank You So Much.
In our our hurry to find out about history and geography of Thomas, may we not forget the teaching he brought to the world i.e the message of God, the Bible, that of the NAZARENE (Jesus Christ).
A Good Description - Thanks 🙏🌷❤️
I like this video, I want to go to Kerala to do the pilgrimage. Amen
Today I see a video... One of the Jewish man went back to israel from Kerala .. He is telling from his memory about St Thomas that he came to Kerala that time in Kochi all Jewish people received as him they think he is a rabbi But after that he start converting so many jews people from kochi to Christianity and become they are become his discipline also... ..they are start living in malabar region and followers of St Thomas.
We know the very nice story of st.Thomas father thank you so much
for Latin Catholics and Roman Catholics, it is in their deliberate agenda to say that St Thomas did not come to India; basically because it is difficult to accept that Indians heard the gospel (in AD52) before the western hemisphere Christians (west of Jerusalem), after AD 325, after Constantine forced the Roman Empire to convert to Christianity.
Great, Thats great information.. As mentioned Arikamedu is near Mylapore, Where is this Arikamedu located exactly ....and second Arikamedu is in Pondicherry which is also known Indi-Roman Trade Center... Pl reply
With all the existing traditions , I strongly believe that St Thomas was in India. Thank you for sharing the info.
Yes, it seems that St. Thomas came to India from the various narratives.
Pray our Country is Blessed by St Thomas with prayers for Love Peace Unity, spiritual enlightenment filled with Happiness of India.
Thank you brother for your valuable research on the visit of St Thomas to India. I came to know many unknown facts through the video. Well done bro 👍
thanks so much bro..appreciate it🙂
Thank you Rev. Fr .It is very clear that you have made a deep study in this historical long standing controversy
I am also belonging to Nasarani Christian. We celebrate The Martyrdom. Day of St. Thomas on July 4th every year.
A. Sreedhara menon, a great scholar in Kerala History agreed that St. Thomas came in the Kerala coast in A. D 52. The British Encyclopedia also greed this historical event.
You might have heard an opinion from Our Late Holiness Pope Benedict 16th that St. Thomas didn't Come to India. Even if we can't deny His view for He was a great scholar, it brought about great protest among the Nasarani Christians.
Rev. Fr. thank you for your deep scholarly study
Fr.
Thank you for a brilliant analysis, When I visited the alleged St.Thomas tomb as a foreign tourist, there was a stray dog sleeping on it within the church premises.
Not sure who was your guide. The tomb is inside a church premise. How can a dog even get in.
It's not a sin for a dog to be on the tomb of a saint. This dog is pure and innocent, perhaps much better than many people. So, for us Christians it is not an outrage.
The literature regarding St Thomas and the church records were destroyed by the Portuguese priests as heretical, the Roman Catholic Church actually destroyed the indigenous Christian culture, the Roman Catholic Church has its own narrative to show that it's supreme.
Well explained brother.. 😍😍🔥🔥
Thank you so much 😀 God Bless !!!
We find great difficulty in the Christian history in Kerala, because of the manipulation made by the Portuguese Christian system. There are many. Eg. The city in the first century 'Palore ' in which St. Thomas preached was formated into Palayur at different place by two centuries ago. Actually St. Thomas came at Palore in search of God's people the Jews. May be their Synagogue had change into Church. He reached there by a waterway from the Arabian sea ending on the pond nearby that Church. Which was also manipulated in to Brahmin baptism theory. And another manipulated history happened against the ancient Church in Palore that a priest was killed in its Holy Altar by Tippu Sultan. That was a well-known story in that whole Taluk. The truth unearthed by three decades ago that Tippu's war against Nazranigur was in 1789,but the present Church was built in 1806. The port ' Muziris' of Pleny the elder was erased from history. It's forced to believe that place is Kodungallur. There no research and no evidence of first Chera dynasty ruled in between 3rd century BC and 300 CE. We know that the Palore city and Muziris port was ruled by them and St. Thomas came there amidst their ruling. It's the 2nd Chera dynasty moved from there to Kodungallur by fifth century.
God seeks to gift faith. Satan and human nature seek to sow doubt. This video sows doubt through an open ended conclusion (lack of clear affirmative statement).
Faith and reason are both required, with faith being greater. Without faith, you cannot come into contact with God.
In the same way, the Bible and Catholic tradition (with vetting of Catholic Church) go hand in hand.
There is a reason the initial fathers of the church through prayer decided, the apocryphal book "Acts of Thomas" won't be a part of the Bible, because it was not from God (ie through divine intervention in part or full). Yet you use it as a reference. Why?
You also state that multiple Church Fathers (saints) clearly have written about St. Thomas evangelising India. For a true Catholic, we require no other proof. Yet, you have mentioned it as one among many theories.
Through reason we can see that, if Christians were present in present day region of Kerala before Portuguese settlers and St. Francis Xavier arrived in 15-16th century, where did they come from? They did not grow out from the soil.
Someone evangelised the region. All indicators (ancient churches, songs, prayers, Syrian rite, oral traditions) point to this. It wasn't Arab merchants, not Jewish migrators or even any ordinary evangelist. It had to be someone filled with the Holy Spirit. To baptise a whole region, and for such communities to survive through centuries is a work of the Hand of God.
If you cannot contribute to increasing faith in souls, you are not serving God or His Church. You are serving something else.
So my request is this. If you cannot share in spreading the faith, it is better to stay quiet, if your intent is to serve God. I say this with love.
The Brahmins arrived in Kerala only in the 7 th century according to the Kerala History. So how can you connect the brahmins and the arrival of St Thomas,?
Please read my brother's book, "The Mar Thoma story".
Brahmins were not in Kerala during the so called St. Thomas time. Prominent historians dispute the Brahmins theory. Pls comment.
Absolutely
This is a clear, cool analysis of the belief. I, though an agnost, believe that St. Thomas indeed came to India to spread the Gospel & was martyred on present day St. Thomas Mount.
Thank you for writing in..God Bless
Did they ever do modern generic study on the proported St. Thomas bones?
Thanks for writing in...In my study I haven't come across it. You would need to refer to other primary sources for that information.
Interesting
Lots of research and hard work 😊. Was new info to me.
Glad you enjoyed it! 😊
India is blessed with Christian faith because Apostle Thomas paid a price to come all the way from Israel.
It was a wonderful search to establish if St: Thomas had come to India to preach the gospel first। If we are confirmed that all other 11disciples went to 11 different country or places of the world, it surely be St Thomas who came and preach the gospel, because someone did it, as a general understanding।
Apostle Thomas came to pakistan first..The ruined chapel at sircap near Taxila is the clear evidence. The Quaide Azam university of pakistan accepts the sircap museum and the Chapel at sircap pakistan. Moreover the Baltistan university of pakistan too has found out the large kavardo cross at Skardu of pakistan
Nice analysis
Thanks a lot
ST. Thomas came to India. 100% True. He did many miracle in south India ( nowadays; Tamil Nadu and Kerala) in that time south India ruled by Cheran, cholan,Pandiya. St.Thomas was present 2,000 years ago. This was Plan of God.
I'm heavily convicted, and have been for years, that Saint Thomas came to Persia, Parthia & India, that the Christians Vasco de Gama met in the Kingdom of Calicut was Thomas's Church, and I'm also currently convicted that Saint Batholomew, Saint Pantænus & Saint Thomas of Kinayi all evangelized the Indian Subcontinent.
Very interesting!
Thanks a lot Patricia 😊
The main question is , is there any reference in Jewish or islamic texts?
Yes St Thomas was in India. My great great grandfather related how he and St Thomas use to hang out at the local Nair tea stall those days.
Tea stall or arrack shop?
Christians all over the world used to be called Nasrani by others before the term was coined in Antioch. But the Arabs continued to call them that. This may be why Christians in Malaysia are called Srani. This is why ISIS agents marked the houses of Assyrian and Chaldean Christians with the Arab letter "Noon" just before an invasion.
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The first recorded use of the term (or its cognates in other languages) is in the New Testament, in Acts 11 after Barnabas brought Saul (Paul) to Antioch where they taught the disciples for about a year, the text says that "the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch" (Acts 11:26).
Thank st Thomas for binging faith in India n please pray for us
Why no dna tests done on the remains found in mylapore ?
Thanks Bro for throwing further light on the topic.
Production Quality keeps getting better, we might have a Netflix Show soon!
hahaah....sure bro will definitely try...provided u work on the designing 🤩
Circumstantial Evidences Tends positive That St Thomas Indeed Came to India..
The fact is there were Jewish community in the Southern India. Whether Thomas went to evangelise in the Southern India is inclusive.
I’m a member of Syrian Orthodox Church in Kerala. I have serious doubts regarding St.Thomas tradition, of him having evangelized in Kerala and converted Brahmins to Christianity. Kerala, 2000 years ago was ruled by the Cheras, and Brahmanical tradition (Nambhoothiri) did not exist in that region.
If St.Thomas did come to Kerala, he most probably came to evalngelize amongst the Jews who came and settled there for trading purposes. If he was sent to Kerala, he would have gone there under the behest of St.James (Jesus’ brother) of Jerusalem, who did not encourage non Jews to become Christians. Of course, what I’ve said is speculative, as I have no basis to prove or disprove this theory. I believe this Church came into existence because of extensive contacts with existing middle Eastern churches in the Semitic world!
Thank you for your good research presentation on St. Thomas in India. I tend to think that it was St. Thomas who toiled in the land of India to preach the Gospel of Jesus and breathed his last breath in India.
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Crystal clear explanation with a beautiful accent!
Thank you! 😃 God bless
My father's paternal grandparents were natives of Tamil Nadu and while I believe they were Hindu, I think my great grandmother took a more syncretistic approach to her religious practice. They believed that St Thomas came to India and I want to believe the same despite the lack of concrete evidence.
I am curious to know if there are there people in South India who practice a mix of Christianity and Hinduism.
I have heard that the Portuguese may have destroyed precious ancient palm leaf manuscripts in their 16th century attempts to make the more Hinduism-tolerant St Thomas Christianity of Kerala and Tamil Nadu, more closely resemble that of Rome. Does anyone have more information on this?
Significant information and well presented; thank you.
Jesus commanded his followers to go into all the world and make disciples --and God would promote it.
Lively trade between Mediterranean ports and Parthia existed; Roman coins are found in southern India.
I can understand you worked hard to collect this information, appreciation.for your efforts.🤔
I belong to the Syro Malabar rite and hence the historicity of St Thomas's arrival in India does matter. Unfortunately, after listening to this video, i am doubtful if we will ever know the truth.
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
+ A.M.D.G. I have known about this since my mother-in-law stayed with Bridgetine nuns while we were house-hunting in 1974 --- but i would love to know more ---- i also remember when the Gospel of St Thomas was printed while I did a holiday job in Harrod's book department in 1960 (?)
St Thomas was in India. The weight of evidence is in that favour.
Solid research. Agree with most findings. Except the concluding statement that Apostle Thomas will intercede for us. Jesus is the only mediator btw God the Father and human beings. Therefore there is no need for another.
St. Thomas came to North of India starting from Edessa /Urfa via the euphrates tigris river route establishing churches in North of Iraq including Baghdad, South of Iraq in Basra, in what is now Iran, Afghanistan, what is now Pakistan and the northern parts of India and then he went back to Edessa /Urfa. Then he went to Egypt waited there for a ship to take him to south of India. He had written a book on his journey to India and it was discovered in St. Catherine's monastery in Egypt in the 18th century. The he found a ship that took him to the south of India and landed in kerala.
Highly informative. Appreciate the effort taken to produce this.
thank you very much....May St Thomas bless us!!!
In TN it is a customary to write poems on any historical event. Until 13th or 14th century means until the arrival of European, there is no poems or meikeerthis.
Portuguese destroyed sea shore temple and built the Santhom church. So the story of St Thomas story came to south India is a false one.
It's very informative
thanks a lot for your kind words 😊
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St Thomas mount Railway station is in chennai (Parangimalai) Tamilnadu. India -Church in the name of Thomas is there.
A good analysis- I like how various angles are explored.
My lord and my God !!.. questioning of chosen saints like St Thomas and their evangilzation work under spirit guidance even after 2000 yrs of my Lord Christ. What ever you do chrisitanity will only grow as it is lead by Christ himself
I am Living near St Thomas Mount in Chennai.
Our Area is called St Thomas Mount
Good presentation with Justice to historical facts. One of the best on this subject. Loved it. Congratulations ❤
Thanks a lot for writing in..God bless
The message is important than the carrier. St. Thomas was the carrier. His message was Christ. The beauty is none of the Apostles or anyone of Christ's followers claimed that Jesus vanquished all his enemies and became the King or anything similar to that theory. No body claimed superiority in winning rather everyone spoke of love and forgiveness. This is true across the world. There is universal consent on the main message of what Jesus Christ did or say and they are compatible with our commonsense too.
The problem with seeking evidence for historical happenings is, they can always be contradicted with another evidence. So why bother? I am happy with the message and I am grateful to whoever be the person who brought them here to India.
St Thomas Catholic Church in Kerala India and Thomas went to Kerala India in 66 ad.
Dear brother, you have put lot of unconfirmed history into picture. Then where did the historical places like santhome came into picture ? St.thomas mount where he was martyred. What aboutbthe bones which were in eanrhom till recently ?
As a christian i do believe in st Thomas visiting india Apostles are very important in Christianity many countries claim Apostle as holy Father's of their country and their country flags wer made by inspiration of Apostles name Thomas is a top 5 common names world population has such an important person is st Thomas and how his death and missionary will be in mystry world believe Thomas came to India their is no other evidence says Thomas went to other countries and Martin in other countries
Thanks for your reply...God bless!!!
2000 years ago, it was common to use trade winds to reach Malabar for pepper. So it's obvious that if St. Thomas ever decided to travel, it would have been trading posts of South India. And one more myth.. St. Thomas didn't come to evangelize local people, he came for Jewish, Syrians, Arabs, Romans and Armenian traders who were already living in southern trading post regions. And he was not assassinated by a washerman but he died of old age. Assassination theory was from Dutch traders of 16th century to elevate Thomas to martyrdom.