The 600 from Priority Bicycles | Pinion Gearbox powered commuter bike
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- The Priority 600 is an 'All Road' commuter bike that features the Pinion C1.12 gearbox, a transmission designed by former Porsche engineers. That means you get a bicycle that has a miniature automotive manual transmission. That comes with some perks - aside from the coolness factor - like a 600% gear range. That means you can finally get those super low lows without sacrificing the high gears. I can easily climb the largest hills in town with the 600. It's so good that I rarely use anything lower than 4th gear. I normally reside in gears 4,8, or 10. In addition to the Pinion C1.12 gearbox The 600 features 650b WTB wheelset with 47c tires, a WTB saddle, a Dynamo hub to power the included front and rear lights. All this in a bike that weighs 31.8lbs. Only 0.4 lbs more than the Continuum Onyx.
Overall this is a great bike and well worth looking at if you have the coin to afford a $2200 bike. I already have the Continuum Onyx, and I though this would be a tough sale to get me to transition, and the onyx still a great bike - but this 600's gear range and weight distribution has me wanting to take the plunge and buy one.
See the 600 at Priority: alnk.to/31m837Q
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The fact they sent it to you is epic and an achievement bro...congratulations on another great review that bike is a beauty
Though way out of my price range, it's a sweet bike. Your videos are great and informative. Thanks and I look forward to the next video.
The Gates belt drive is bullet proof! I own a 92 Harley davidson with the original Gates belt drive, at 89,000 miles on the odometer I never had any issues..
I have to credit this review. I have been looking for the perfect commuter bike and I couldn’t have made my choice without this video. Super excited to pick this baby up! Thanks for a great video review!
2200 doesn't seem bad for what you get, I may have to look into purchasing one.
I occasionally ride my Specialized Hardrock to work and the 600 looks to be a perfect fit.
Thank you for posting the review.
As a guy who uses his bike mostly for commuting and other utility stuff, the hub dynamo and LED lights are one of the favourite features of my current bike. You don't have to think about remembering to bring the lights along and they have also proven quite reliable after more than two years of use.
Yep. I have a Classic Plus with battery powered lights that strap on with a silicone strap and hook. Super reliable and very bright, and the lithium batteries last quite a while before needing a charge.
The problem, of course, is that someone can steal them, since they're meant to be easily taken on and off without tools for charging the battery. My wheels and seat at least require a specific size hex bit to remove, so a thief would move on to the bike parked next to me which has quick releases.
The videos are getting better and better! Nice🚲
Love your channel, I was doing research on elec bike and ran across your channel, you go over everything. Thanks for all the info. I will be buying this bike.
Keep up the quality uploads!
Thanks for the thorough review. Both the 600 and 600X are incredible values compared to other brands with the pinion gear box. I chose the 600 as my first conventional bike for my riding.
Bought one myself and am very happy with it. It definitely feels like a 2000 dollar bike so you get your money's worth. You mentioned rain and water obstacles but up here in Wisconsin I plow through snow with those big ass tires and aside from a rinse off to keep the salt away that gear box requires no maintenance when I cover that thing in ice.
Mother--humper! I agree about the grip shift. Yet, I love dedicated lights and dynamo hubs. I am so over recharging batteries for rides. The folks across the pond got that part right.
Much thanks, you make the ideal candidate for the Pollini Ep3 review.
Another great video! Keep them coming!
Man that looks like a great bike. Thanks fur the review.
Yessssss!! Finally!! Thanks for the review Kev. 😁 Probably the only changes i would make is swapping out to wtb byway & jones h-loop bar.
First camera angle is especially cool, great video as always.
Just got my P600 as an upgrade to my 2009 Giant Seek 1 with the Alfine 8. Great low end for the hills around Charlottesville VA. Love the dymo and lights-Always on!! Price is up to 2499 but still much cheaper than a spandex only bike. It is now specked with Goodyear County 650Bx50mm tires with small knobs on the sides for gravel. Needed some slight fender adjustment but excellent ride! I ordered the medium 19” because I like a larger frame for my 5’7”-29”inseam. It is perfect! The measurements match my medium Seek but with longer a wheelbase. Wish I had this back in ‘77 when I rode from Cleveland to Portland ME with my Schwinn Voyager II 21” 10 Spd Dura-Ace in two weeks. That is right, I am in my late 60’s🤘🤘. Been riding since I was 5! I could not stand over my Schwinn either-who cares? I still have both nutz🤪🤪. Thanks for the review!! Looking forward to RailTrails and the Great Allegheny Passage and Greenbrier Trail in WVA.
I was waiting for this video, awesome!!!
Hey Kev - great review. I'm drooling and counting my change. I agree on the color, but vote for a shimmering dark sand.
I am a new subscriber, and this was the video that led me here. I was interested in the Priority 600X. I was hoping at some point you might review it, I have watched some reviews on it but I have come to trust your unbiased approach. When I became interested in this bike I didn’t know the price (3500) and while I could purchase it, I didn’t see the value. If the pinion ever becomes massed produced or an equivalent product becomes more affordable it would be nice to eliminate the chain and derailleur. You have a great channel!
That opening shot of the bottom bracket area is absolutely brilliant.
Thanks! 👍🏼
Nice video, lots of great information as always! Thanks for this!
I initially wanted the Onyx so bad for its looks but then changed my mind for the Priority 600 after watching this review video. It seemed all that I wanted to hear was discussed here so thank you. But first,need to work more and save up. 😊
Another great video. I’m not sure I’d drop 2k, but if I did I’d want a quiet bike. I’ve been spoiled by the Gotham (except for 3rd gear). Between your channel and learning about Priority I have a new found love of riding!
It's a beautiful bike. Thank you for the great video.
thats a super sweet looking bike! i wish i could commute.
Dang you! I was only curious in these, now I want one!
was wondering when that sort of gear system would be used again, I bought a vintage CCM in the past and it came with the old version of this design. pretty neat the bikes very snazzy looking too!
Cool bike! Nice vid man. Keep it up!
Sharp bike, well composed video.
Another GREAT Review - Would also like to see the option to not have the generator HUB and lights - I do have my own lights. Overall, really like the bike - not put off by the price tag. I think it's a fair price for such a high quality bike. My current commuter is going on 5 years old, so in the market. At $2,200 and I keep this one 5 years, that's approximately $1.20 a day (one less Coffee a day, don't forget Credit Card rewards, a few extra bucks back). The Priority 600 is one of the three bikes under consideration. They have a real winner here, well thought out commuter. Looks great too.
This footage should be used for a preview of the bike on priorities website
So from pennies in my piggy bank and quarters under my couch cushions I ordered the 600 5 days ago....per Fedex it's on the truck to be delivered today....Yahoo!!!
As a bike for a commuter this looks perfect. I imagine that due to the nice design and quality components it will last well. You will save money on maintaince not to mention hastle compared to cheaper bikes and the cost per trip will be so much cheaper than other modes of transport over say 5 years. I would be very tempted by something like this as an urban commuter.
Actually i want more of the transmission bikes, i think this is the bike future. almost no maintenance, very durable, and easy to understand. i hope i will find something like this bike like XC bike. Btw nice bike review :D
Great bike. I love the all black. The gearing system is very new. For $2,200; i would want to know a local bike shop would be able to service it. I think the brilliant L train maybe there best bang for the buck bike. I wish it was offered in black. That would be an interesting look.
Really good video as always man!
I'm loving it! I'm not a terribly strong rider myself, so the fact that at the high end the gear ratio doesn't compete with good road bikes doesn't bother me. I really appreciate the good low end, mainly for hills I might encounter at the end of long rides when I'm tired and in danger of cramping up. At first I wasn't enjoying the seat and my first few rides left my rear feeling a bit sore. That's probably because my old bike (given to me by my dad when he decided he was too old to ride) has a big, fat and really squishy seat. It seems I've toughened up a bit, though, as the only thing that's been sore after two long rides I've done (well, long for me) are my quads.
Incredible review. Your getting into ebike territory at that price but if you have ever been stationed in Europe then you understand quality street bikes are pricey as well. For American taste its kind of hard to swallow that price unless you are a serious bike commuter and even then walmart has a sweet deal on a pretty advanced ebike thats bullet proof.
Looks great. I freakin love it
Kev, I’ve had the 600 since it came out and I am addicted to it. I noticed that the shifting gets looser as time goes by except the transition between 8th and 9th gear, which does require a slight pause in pedaling. I hated the twist shifter at first, but now I’m finding it great to transition between several gears at once; it’s simply an amazing feeling. Oh, those 650b tires are a dream.
Thanks for the great review!
Great news, thanks. How many miles have you put on yours?
KevCentral , I’ve put about 270 miles on my 600. I wish I had more time to put a lot more.
I didn’t install a bike computer on this one, but I’d guess I’m close, if not over that mileage with this one. It’s holding up great!
I meant that the shifting has become smoother after a while. I noticed that it’s easier to twist the twist shifter and the transition between gears is smoother and quicker than when the bike was new.
I suspect in my case that mine is smoother simply because I’m more efficient with how it shifts now that I’ve ridden it for a while.
That is a nice vid man keep up the good work!!!
It would be nice if they would offer a basic version of the priority 600. One without lights, fenders and a dynamo. If i could get it for around 1800, I’d probably get one. They look like nice rigs.
Great review Kevin!!
That F-4 is awesome!
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Thats a nice bike. Wow. Hopefully when i move closer to work ill look into splurging.
At last, a drive train that's I the centre of the bike - ! Much as I love my Sturmey 5 speed, it does put the weight bias at the back of the bike.
Interesting... a bicycle with a car gearbox. In the future cyclist will have to take their bike in for transmission servicing. This video reminds me of the 2012 Jamis Commuter 4 with the NuVinci 360 variable speed rear hub. Very reliable bike. Mine still running today. It weighed 31pounds and cost about $850 USD. I never had to service the hub.
I know you love reviewing them Wal-Mart bikes. But you have a Pinion gear hub in your possession and viewers are intrigued about its drive train, light touring capability, handling, etc. It would be refreshing to see some videos on your one high end bike.
That looks pretty good! I like the belt drive and dynamo features, they seems like great things to have on a all weather, commuter type bike. The price sounds high, but I'd imagine that gearbox alone is quite expensive. Though, for $2,200, I'd like to see Shimano brakes rather than Tektro.
Thanks for the awesome/candid review. Are you still planning on producing/publishing a direct comparison b/t the Continuum Onyx and the 600?
That gearbox is interesting. I'd like to give one a try just for the experience. Great looking bike.
Are you close to north Alabama? You’re welcome to give this one a ride.
Sadly I'm not. I'm in Central Fl. Thanks for the offer though.
Awesome review best Ive seen!
Loud hub is a good hub. 600 is a great bike
as a geezer, i appreciate a good lighting system
Oh! Please for give. I really enjoy your channel. Your views on bikes are very the point of view of a person that doesn't race. Doesn't sell bikes. It's the view point of a person just likes/loves bicycles. May i suggest testing a Felt speed. Also, a Gaezelle tour popular8? The felt is an interesting bike that compared to trek fx. Gaezelle? It's a uility bike made in Holland. You ride one you'll love it! Not fast. But, very very comfortable. I did 66 miles in 7 hours on it. Sorry. I enjoy biking for the fact it's not expensive. You're not adding to traffic problems. Or, adding a cloud of greenhouse gasses.
Keep up the good work!
Love the bike and agree about color options- For $2200 you should have more than one option. Tektro brakes on 2K+ bike seems a bit underwhelming as well..
Keep up the great work, love the reviews.
This is the best bike ive seen
You should check out their new 600X. It's very similar but with a Wren inverted suspension fork. Priority has grown on me and have an awesome line.
I'm proud to be the 200th like! Great job on this video, Kev!
As an industrial mechanic I can really appreciate the Gates belt drive. I use, or rather replace, them regularly at work.
I also noticed the drive sprocket has a centered rib to keep the belt from wandering. The sheaves I usually work with are flanged to keep the belt on the sheave. A similar principle but the sprocket's geometry would prevent accumulation of debris. It's a thoughtful design.
Love the driveline on this. Still like you I would want a trigger shifter as well as I detest the twist types. The only other thing I don't like as it looks a bit strange is the lower welds on the lower part of the headpost frame.
Thanks. In person the welds look fine. I think the glossy black paint makes them looked a bit blotchy on video.
That is a sweet bike.. I came across it by looking at ebikes.. Specifically, the Priority Current..
I've put about 1500 on mine since January. His point about offering it without the dynamo and lights is right on.
It's a very draggy dynamo and the rear light isn't anywhere near bright enough. The front is nice as a safety light but not
Bright enough for night riding. I wind up clicking the power off for a smoother roll. Other people who have to take the front
Wheel off for transport complain about what a pain it is to disconnect / reconnect the tiny hub wire plug. That's true
It's a low end dynamo. Better to shave a few hundred from the price without it
After 2 weeks of riding the 600, these are my pros and cons :
Pros : Pinion gearbox. It is really perfect. It is quite when you pedalling and so noisy when not, but this noise is like a trademark. I just love it and you do not need horn, almost.
2. Carbon belt is smooth and it's doing really good job.
3. It is very elegant looking and classy. I personally love it's design. It stands among others.
4. Tyres are good looking and wide.
5. This bike is really fast when you hit 12 speed with full power. It is really going fast like you are on road bike....It is going better uphill in compare to Scott 20 Men Sport for example.
Cons : I have not found 1 real good reason why you should not have this bike for $2,300 but there are few minor things I don't like about it.
1. I found that pedals ( and frame ) are too low to the ground and I don't feel comfortable turning fast and leaning.
2. I keep hitting front fender when pedalling and turning left. I am now getting used to avoid it so it does not happen too often.
3. I don't like the grips ( melting when hot ) and seat. I changed grips for ergo leathers which are perfect in stealth black and I ordered brooks B17.
Overall I really like this bike. Personally I think this is in top 5 best looking retro-stylish-city bikes and pinion gives it great functionality.
It's not the gearbox making the noise - it's the rear hub. Just replace it with a quite one if it bothers you. though for that money one hopes they would have put a quiter one, but the noise may not have been their consideration.
I going to get those leather ego grips, I too hate the rubber/plastic grips...
Kev. Love your videos and long time subscriber. Could 600 be a touring bike with front and rear racks and panniers? Thank you.
What a bike , awesome
I was looking for a derailleur and got tired of just too many suggestions - a gravel bike? an adventurer? a touring? bikepacking? 1x; 2x; triple; compact, subcompact, wolftooth and so on an on. I will get the pinion and just enjoy the ride.
5 years warranty on the gearbox; 10,000 km oil change ($15); 600% range; no maintenance; tourers doing 100,000 km issue free riding. I am getting one.
Kev, if you could test it on a slight steep it would be very helpful to those of us who want to take it bikepacking.
Super, and congrats on the decision. If you watch the sped up time lapse of me pedaling uphill in the video. That’s a roughly 30 degree slope.
Have you got it ?
A short travel suspension fork (50 - 60mm) and a suspension seat post would make this the most perfect all rounder money could buy.
Look at the 600X
Awesome can you do a review of the diamondback recoil mtb
Hey Kev I know I’m abit late but the gearbox requires a twist shifter as it need 2 cables one for pulling in either direction of the gearbox
Great review on a forward looking bike. At 31.8 lbs. it's on the heavy side. My 23" frame, Trek Fuel EX8 29R (full sus) is about the same weight. I totally agree on the twist versus trigger shifter. This would be an interesting conversion project to an e-bike, or, it'd be cool to see if Priority makes a pedal assist with that gearbox.
Dynamo hub and the associated parts and lighting add to the weight. Also don’t forget that the Pinion gearbox is full of metal gears. It’s a literal transmission. The gearing more than compensated for weight, IMO. Thanks for commenting. I love those Fuel EX8s.
Yes, 31.8 pounds is a little on the heavy side but the heavier bike frames tend to absorb bumps better and are definitely more comfortable to ride long distances even though they aren't very fast. It all depends on what you want, a light and fast bicycle that feels every bump. Or, a heavier and slower bicycle that's more comfortable. I've had both.
Agreed. This isn’t a speed demon by any stretch, but it can move decently well. I love light and zippy, but for daily commuting I’m always happy with a smoother ride. At the end of a long day I can tell the difference in riding a light bike that beats me up vs something that takes most of the impact. That’s one of the reasons I don’t ride the Redux often. That and it makes me want to bomb down steps at every opportunity 😎
I enjoy your videos. I am taking my time to explore my next bike options. I'm doing a lot of research and looking into both electric & non-electric bikes...
The idea of the Pinion transmission really intrigues me and I think I'd definitely prefer a belt drive on my next bike.
I'll actually be replacing a "Wally World" 21-speed bike that I bought years ago for about $100.....LOL.
..since you're ridden both, what are you thought about the gearing comparison on the Continuum onyx vs the Priority 600 with the Pinion gearbox on hills? I really like the Onyx but wonder if there is a real advantage on hills for the 600 as I have a lot of hills in my hood? Thanks.
The 600 is noticeably easier for hill climbs.
dream commuter bike
You can tone down the clicking of the hub by adding grease. I've the same bike. Two 5mm allens and a small whack with a plastic mallet will open the hub. The clicking is due to the high number of points of engagement, which are nice to have. Smear in some extra grease to calm things down. You won't eliminate the noise, but you can reduce it a lot.
Jonathan Gennick you also wear out your hub much faster as the pawls can’t engage properly due to the extra drag from the grease
I have not experienced any problems yet, and will just have to see what happens over time.
I saw where Chris King said he was going to use this same solution from the factory to silence his hubs but customer feedback was so positive for the sound that they just left em LOUD. LOL
Thanks for the vids.
Wondering if there’s any review on split belt, for aftermarket belt conversion for normal frame?
Sometime before chirstmas (lol) could you do a review and a gravity fsx 1.0 full suspension mountain bike. It would be much appreciated.
Did you ever do the direct comparison Priority 600 and Continuum??? Couldn't find anything and I'm trying to decide between the two... I'd love the 600, but that's a lot of jingle..Did you end up keeping the 600?? thanks for the videos
Hey Kev I know you said that you don’t like the grip shifter, but on gearbox bikes they all have grip shifters. As far as I know, there aren’t any trigger shifters available for gearbox bikes yet.
Just a FYI. The Effigear gearbox has had trigger shift since 2015.
This review is excellent. Thank you for doing a sterling job on this! So many bicycle reviews are awful - missing key features, not including footage of the bike in use, unsubstantiated opinions. In contrast your review is informative, clear and with great visuals (I particularly like the low angle you open the video with)!
want this bike now...
This is why i like your channel. Throwing in this review on a bad azz looking bike i might add, instead of the usual walmart bike review. That bike would be a perfect commuter for ne. Im not diggin the $2200 price tag though.
Can't help thinking that despite the weight it would make a great adventure bike especially since it has all those carrier eyelets.
Kona Dew series is worth checking for those who cannot afford this top tier bike.
How about a compare of this bike against the Spot Acme? I've always wondered if the weight balance of the Pinion geared bike versus the Shimano Alfine 11 speed. The Acme should be considerably lighter, but having the weight low and centered might make a huge difference. Now that there is a Pinion geared bike close to the Spot price, it makes a comparison worth seeing.
Great review. Disagree about the color and lights tho. Those are both big pluses for me!
Thanks!
I like sturmey archer drum brakes. They make dyno hub too..
My XL-FDD 90 mm has 25,000 fabulous miles.
$2.200 would be little more than cost of the Pinion gearbox. You do not have to stop pedaling to shift. A dynamo powered light has some advantages because you do not have think about bringing a light, and the light is secured to the bike - always there when needed without thinking whether the batteries are good.
*Love you channel*
Can this bike handle the Great Divide Trail with some modifications like wider tires racks and water bottle cages? How wide of a tire can it handle? Can the dynamo charging system charge a phone or a power bank? What is the top speed at 90 cadence on highest gear? How steep can it go up the hill at 90 cadence on lowest gear?
Is there any brazons for panniers or racks and if so would there be any heel or toe strike
Great review. I love this bike...but... I agree, get rid of that noisy rear hub...just terrible. Yes to the trigger shifter. I would add only one thing...a USB charging port since you already have the hub. I would buy 2 right now with those changes. As a bicycle tourer, I also question the tire size. 650 is more expensive, has fewer choices, and are much harder to find out there on the open road.
Thx for the great review. I agree the twist shifters would be a total nuisance in the hot summertime. I suppose you could get used to it but I think that was a major oversight. Maybe trigger shifters do not work with that particular system? And I am a huge light snob . I own 22 LED lights at this point. Unfortunately for me those are too big enough strikes to equal 3 .
I would really like to see this bike also offered in a barebones model. Sans fenders, lights, and the Dynamo hub.
KevCentral - Exactly, if they sent u this bike to review surly they are listening. I think in the future we will see such a bike. Love this concept. And this channel. I’ve learned allot and even bought the Redux 3 which is my daily commute bike .
lovely freehub sound! wonder what hub it has
Thank you for the review.
I have been looking into internal gear hub for a while. I almost bought the pinion touring bicycle from VSF (Germany) but they would not ship to NA. I have looked into VSF, Tout Terrain, Koga, Van Nichols, Idworx, santos, stevens etc. The cheapest bike fitted with pinion C1.12 is from VSF which cost US $3200! The cost of only the fame and pinion C1.12 is $3580 and $6400 for P1.18 at Co-Motion bicycles. Hence, a pinion C1.12 with Gates carbon drive for $2200 is terrific.
The gear change in Pinion p1.18 is 11% compared to 13% in Rohloff and 17% in Pinion c1.12. Did you find the gear change in C1.12 abrupt? C1.12 is mostly used in mountain bikes. Do you think the gear ratio/change will work well for bike touring and bikepacking (multi-day)?
The pedal at its vertical seems about only a few inches above the ground. Did the pedals scrape the ground in the woods while making any angle turns? I watched the video about the person who was not able to fit a pannier in this bike. The fork has only one eyelet. Have you tried fitting a pannier? Word is around the thumb shifter is on the way. Any confirmation from Pinion? Subbed :)
Thanks for the sub. I’ve found the gear range to be near perfect for my riding. I haven’t had any issues with pedal drag on turns, but ideally the pedals should be level when making cuts. Perhaps my time on mountain bikes is showing some reward 👍🏼. I haven’t tried any panniers. Don’t even own any. I’m somewhat of a minimalist when it comes to strapping things a bike. Usually if it doesn’t fit into a backpack or on a front rack I don’t take it.
If possible I would suggest to change the rear freewheel hub by a fixed one, as there is already one freewheel integrated in the gearbox. Saves you some extra grams. Also the front dynamo hub is very lousy. I donnot know whether you're into wheelbuilding, but if so, change the dynamo by a shutter precision px-8. The bike will run much smoother and you can enjoy using your supernova light system without any feel of resistance by the dynamo.
Still waiting for Priority 600 vs Continuum Onyx shootout :)
top walla I would love to see this as well.
Me: Saw 600 and thought wow a nice looking bike for 600. Then I went into the description 😢. At that price, this bike better operate like a mountain bike.