@@vracan Hmm really? Last I checked spin training was part of private pilot training in Canada, while the US decided to avoid that risk by just being "abstinent" and replace actual training with stall/spin awareness. I think the latter is safer anyways.
It is, the 172 has an outwashed wing, it is designed to behave itself if mishandled, on most occasions it has to be deliberately flown into the spin and then held in, generally it if you let go it will get itself out, this however is certainly not a recognized spin recovery technique and has little if any instructional value. I would also be very reluctant to say that any aircraft wont spin, if its got wings, it can enter a spin, but the 172 is a very safe and forgiving aircraft.
I'm currently a student pilot and I was just talking to my instructor about this yesterday! This is terrifying but I really want to try it haha! Some people say not to practice them, but I feel like it's an important skill? What are your thoughts?
emily Gonzalez I'd only practice it in a simulator. Nothing compares to real world training, but knowing it's coming and not knowing it's coming are two different things, which is why some pilots panic when things happen they've trained for 100s of times.
emily Gonzalez Spin recovery isn't actually part of the syllabus for PPL however if you do learn it it'll be right before you start doing circuits which is why some tend not to practice it. The instructors at my flight school like to teach spin recovery; I usually fly over a very rural area of south-east England so practicing stalls/spin recovery or any aerobatic manoeuvres really isn't too much fuss once you're in the class G airspace. I'd recommend you touch on it at the same time you're doing stall recovery because I don't see the point of doing a full lesson on spins when you could be starting your circuit training. Hope this helped!
In Canada, spin recovery is a part of PPL training. Students must make one complete spin and recover without losing too much altitude or gaining excessive speed. I’m looking forward to it.
Emily SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get it behind you and you will never regert these manouvers. Make sure your CG is in the right place. Also remember 50% tanks!!.
Very important, and they're fun when they're done on purpose. Hope you had fun anyway! We did it early in my pilot training, and later on, it saved my life in a solo I was flying to practice for my exam ride.... I accidentally spun practicing power off stall with a turn... wasn't fun, fortunately didn't ruin the flaps. Hurt, and I initially thought I was still in a right hand turn. When it flipped over, it literally felt like the airplane topped over on me, hurt really bad. Since thought I was in a right hand turn, I shouted out spin recovery procedures to myself, idle power, neutral yoke, opposite rudder, left, turned into a washing machine staring at farm fields 4,000 feet below me... until I finally recalled my instructor saying when you can't figure out the direction of rotation, look at your turn indicator... it was banking left... I added some right rudder, and poof, no more spinning and got out of the dive.... my actual airspeed was only 60ish kts in the dive since my flaps were still 20 degrees.... immediately set to 10 degrees then 0. Lucked out they weren't damaged... that would have been expensive! Intentional spins are fun... unintentional spins are painful, disorienting, or just flat out confusing.... and deadly. So learn as much as you can! Oh and since your comment was a year ago, hope you didn't die! Oh, to avoid my idiot mistake: never say oh well, and try a turn with a stall if it appears your turn coordinator is broken... it's not... swishing left and right over and over it's tell you something: don't do the stall; you're not coordinated! Something is buffeting the airplane! Basically, never enter a turning stall if you can't determine the turn is coordinated.
My experience, if you're instructing, you should teach it. Saved my life. It should be mandatory to the extent the aircraft is spin certified like a C172.
In Canada it’s a requirement that the student must complete one full spin recovery during PPL training without losing excessive altitude or gaining too much speed.
This is an amazing clip, i have go pro 3+ but school doesn't allow to take picture or make any video clips :-( Accidentally i just done my spin mission this morning and try to find some clip about this, and clicked in your clip :-) this morning i climb to 9500 and then spin and recover at 5000 :-) so fun :-)
So what determines which wing stalls faster in a power on spin like those? Just wind conditions and weight coupled with exceeding the critical angle of attack? Also at what point do you apply full oppo rudder is there a critical point or number of spins or something like that or is it as soon as the "holy cow the ground is on top of me and moving to the left" realization kicks in and you plant your foot down kind of a thing?
Jacob AbuKhader Aileron input would be determining factor. For a left spin you apply full right yoke which lowers the left aileron and further stalls that wing. You also apply full left rudder to get enough of a yawing moment to enter the spin. You always determine an altitude that you will recover before. This should be a high altitude as it sometimes can take you up to 1000' or more to recover.
The problam. I believe in this demonstration of spin recovery in a Cessna 172, is high speed stalling on recovery and WHAT was the pull out speed. The best I can do is 110Kts. This looks a lot faster. It's vital to be trained in high speed stalling in any aircraft you fly. In my opinion, the recovery speed needs to be inside the VNE speed VERY HARD TO ACHIEVE in many aircraft. The C172 a very good work horse aircraft.I did my PPL in a C172 and the C180. plus CPL right through, including spinning in a PA28 Cherokee. A great work hoarse and with an 0360, it becomes even a better aircraft.The C172 and the 180 Cessna are the back bones of aviation right across the world and always well be. Cessna built great aircraft and still do.
I'm terrified as I have to do this soon I think. From 1:08 to 1:15 do you feel like you are on a roller-coaster? This is the part I'm worried about the most as I hate roller coasters.
Michael Qian spin recovery is a key part of flight training; a milestone, which makes many students reevaluate their pursuit of a license. Your instructor should brief you, and then demonstrate in flight. After that, if you’re not overly shaken, you should do a recovery yourself at least once. I seem to recall doing 4 that lesson, so I could feel comfortable feeling the onset to avoid it in the future. A good instructor wouldn’t/shouldn’t make you do something they’re not confident you can handle. You might even surprise yourself and learn to like roller coasters
I'm still doing my flight training, microlights in the UK (which aren't certified to do spins so we don't have to practice them). But I have to say that I was terrified of normal stalls until I was taught how to handle them, and then I found the more I practiced them, the less I was scared of them. For sure spins look a bit more ugly, but I guess having a standard routine for dealing with them, that is reinforced with regular practice, will hopefully take some of that fear away?
Cameron Spence absolutely. Consider: landing basically requires a stall, except there’s no reason to recover; you want to stall just as you touch down. That’s why learning how to control slow flight is important. Right?
Thank you. What airspeed do you not allow yourself to exceed coming out of the spin? I'm asking so I can practice using an app on my tablet. Only practice I can afford during nursing school
During the recovery Vne is out limit. Some Cessnas will recover without going above 140kt and some will go above Vne if you're not careful. At least in our fleet the spin characteristics are very different between the airplanes (all are C172SP)
love the little "wheeee" the instructor said.
Nice video!
Spin recovery is an very important training...
Here in Brazil this training is prohibited by aeronautical authority.
Is so sad.
Not only is it important training but also the most fun part of flight training :)
I can imagine... One day i'll make it.
cockpitts agreed, I wanted to repeat the lesson the next day!
It recently became prohibited here in Canada too due to too many accidents.
@@vracan Hmm really? Last I checked spin training was part of private pilot training in Canada, while the US decided to avoid that risk by just being "abstinent" and replace actual training with stall/spin awareness. I think the latter is safer anyways.
I heard in the 172 it's easier to get out of the spin than it is to actually get it to spin.
It is, the 172 has an outwashed wing, it is designed to behave itself if mishandled, on most occasions it has to be deliberately flown into the spin and then held in, generally it if you let go it will get itself out, this however is certainly not a recognized spin recovery technique and has little if any instructional value. I would also be very reluctant to say that any aircraft wont spin, if its got wings, it can enter a spin, but the 172 is a very safe and forgiving aircraft.
@@markoneill9346 I wonder if this is true even loaded way outside of the utility category
Some what true.Depends on a lot of factors.
Most of the time yes, but in the worst of times it is super easy to get into one. Like while flying slow and low and turning late on final. ☠
I'm currently a student pilot and I was just talking to my instructor about this yesterday! This is terrifying but I really want to try it haha! Some people say not to practice them, but I feel like it's an important skill? What are your thoughts?
emily Gonzalez I'd only practice it in a simulator. Nothing compares to real world training, but knowing it's coming and not knowing it's coming are two different things, which is why some pilots panic when things happen they've trained for 100s of times.
emily Gonzalez Spin recovery isn't actually part of the syllabus for PPL however if you do learn it it'll be right before you start doing circuits which is why some tend not to practice it. The instructors at my flight school like to teach spin recovery; I usually fly over a very rural area of south-east England so practicing stalls/spin recovery or any aerobatic manoeuvres really isn't too much fuss once you're in the class G airspace. I'd recommend you touch on it at the same time you're doing stall recovery because I don't see the point of doing a full lesson on spins when you could be starting your circuit training.
Hope this helped!
Wouldn't you rather know how to recover from one with a instructor next to you than alone?
In Canada, spin recovery is a part of PPL training. Students must make one complete spin and recover without losing too much altitude or gaining excessive speed. I’m looking forward to it.
Emily SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get it behind you and you will never regert these manouvers. Make sure your CG is in the right place. Also remember 50% tanks!!.
I liked the "wo ho ho ho!"
I'm doing those tomorrow. I'm going to die
Very important, and they're fun when they're done on purpose. Hope you had fun anyway! We did it early in my pilot training, and later on, it saved my life in a solo I was flying to practice for my exam ride.... I accidentally spun practicing power off stall with a turn... wasn't fun, fortunately didn't ruin the flaps. Hurt, and I initially thought I was still in a right hand turn. When it flipped over, it literally felt like the airplane topped over on me, hurt really bad. Since thought I was in a right hand turn, I shouted out spin recovery procedures to myself, idle power, neutral yoke, opposite rudder, left, turned into a washing machine staring at farm fields 4,000 feet below me... until I finally recalled my instructor saying when you can't figure out the direction of rotation, look at your turn indicator... it was banking left... I added some right rudder, and poof, no more spinning and got out of the dive.... my actual airspeed was only 60ish kts in the dive since my flaps were still 20 degrees.... immediately set to 10 degrees then 0. Lucked out they weren't damaged... that would have been expensive!
Intentional spins are fun... unintentional spins are painful, disorienting, or just flat out confusing.... and deadly. So learn as much as you can!
Oh and since your comment was a year ago, hope you didn't die!
Oh, to avoid my idiot mistake: never say oh well, and try a turn with a stall if it appears your turn coordinator is broken... it's not... swishing left and right over and over it's tell you something: don't do the stall; you're not coordinated! Something is buffeting the airplane!
Basically, never enter a turning stall if you can't determine the turn is coordinated.
Did you live?
Billy W no. sadly
Jonathan R Aw man
I'm doing these tomorrow too! I'm also going to die 🙃
Nice video.
Are you using a GoPro?
That last one was intense
awesome fully developed !!! ive never done more than a single rotation, you have quite the stomach! lol :)
+Mike G Thanks! The 172 almost always wants to recovery before I want to to. My record so far is 6 turns.
That's amazing and what a beautiful landscape, where were you?
Looks like eastern San Diego County.
Tucker... I was using a Hero 2 to shoot this video.
Spin and recovery used to be required for all students, until a few yrs ago. I Think it's required for CFI still.
My experience, if you're instructing, you should teach it. Saved my life. It should be mandatory to the extent the aircraft is spin certified like a C172.
In Canada it’s a requirement that the student must complete one full spin recovery during PPL training without losing excessive altitude or gaining too much speed.
Love it, I make that noise too when I spin planes!!! So fun!!
This is an amazing clip, i have go pro 3+ but school doesn't allow to take picture or make any video clips :-(
Accidentally i just done my spin mission this morning and try to find some clip about this, and clicked in your clip :-) this morning i climb to 9500 and then spin and recover at 5000 :-) so fun :-)
tuan nghia Le Now I found your comment :D Glad you liked the clip. Sorry for being so slow
Very good. nice video.
Great video!
So what determines which wing stalls faster in a power on spin like those? Just wind conditions and weight coupled with exceeding the critical angle of attack? Also at what point do you apply full oppo rudder is there a critical point or number of spins or something like that or is it as soon as the "holy cow the ground is on top of me and moving to the left" realization kicks in and you plant your foot down kind of a thing?
Jacob AbuKhader Aileron input would be determining factor. For a left spin you apply full right yoke which lowers the left aileron and further stalls that wing. You also apply full left rudder to get enough of a yawing moment to enter the spin.
You always determine an altitude that you will recover before. This should be a high altitude as it sometimes can take you up to 1000' or more to recover.
Thanks!
You can see the aircraft slightly drop to the right just before the stall and left spin develops.
The problam. I believe in this demonstration of spin recovery in a Cessna 172, is high speed stalling on recovery and WHAT was the pull out speed. The best I can do is 110Kts. This looks a lot faster. It's vital to be trained in high speed stalling in any aircraft you fly. In my opinion, the recovery speed needs to be inside the VNE speed VERY HARD TO ACHIEVE in many aircraft. The C172 a very good work horse aircraft.I did my PPL in a C172 and the C180. plus CPL right through, including spinning in a PA28 Cherokee. A great work hoarse and with an 0360, it becomes even a better aircraft.The C172 and the 180 Cessna are the back bones of aviation right across the world and always well be. Cessna built great aircraft and still do.
What are you talking about? Where was the high speed stall?
I don’t see you using opposite rudder during the spin? You need to use opposite rudder in order to unstall te wing that has already stalled.
Whoa! The prop actually stops, and spins backwards?! So, what did the pilot do to recover?
That’s just the camera shutter speed, it makes it look like the prop reverses when actually it’s just slowing down slightly
I'm terrified as I have to do this soon I think. From 1:08 to 1:15 do you feel like you are on a roller-coaster? This is the part I'm worried about the most as I hate roller coasters.
Michael Qian spin recovery is a key part of flight training; a milestone, which makes many students reevaluate their pursuit of a license. Your instructor should brief you, and then demonstrate in flight. After that, if you’re not overly shaken, you should do a recovery yourself at least once. I seem to recall doing 4 that lesson, so I could feel comfortable feeling the onset to avoid it in the future. A good instructor wouldn’t/shouldn’t make you do something they’re not confident you can handle. You might even surprise yourself and learn to like roller coasters
I'm still doing my flight training, microlights in the UK (which aren't certified to do spins so we don't have to practice them). But I have to say that I was terrified of normal stalls until I was taught how to handle them, and then I found the more I practiced them, the less I was scared of them. For sure spins look a bit more ugly, but I guess having a standard routine for dealing with them, that is reinforced with regular practice, will hopefully take some of that fear away?
Cameron Spence absolutely. Consider: landing basically requires a stall, except there’s no reason to recover; you want to stall just as you touch down. That’s why learning how to control slow flight is important. Right?
Nice Vid, Should have cut the power instead of increasing for your 2nd spin recovery.
You are brave , i should be scared But i have flying solo up to 4000 meter in a cessna 172 , it was fun ,
Oh... Wow... Thats a lot of throttle for a spin
How come the 2nd spin had more rotations?
+John Armstrong We just held it for longer
Thank you. What airspeed do you not allow yourself to exceed coming out of the spin? I'm asking so I can practice using an app on my tablet. Only practice I can afford during nursing school
During the recovery Vne is out limit. Some Cessnas will recover without going above 140kt and some will go above Vne if you're not careful. At least in our fleet the spin characteristics are very different between the airplanes (all are C172SP)
So,, how much airspeed did you got after recovery from 2nd spin...?? How much altitude lose..??
Why are you practicing spins above houses? You should be in a more remote area for safety of people/structures on the ground!
You're correct, we should have gone to a different spot.
The HASEL check man!
Are you still alive? Learning spins on your own could be hazardous to your health. Yep, I've done a few too after I was properly trained.
Lol I’m looking forward to practicing spin recovery
I recognise the scenery... Is this in the area between Ramona and Hemet, near Rainbow Pass?
suzanne15rocky It's over the Alpine dirtpatch. About 15 miles east of Gillespie.
Hi captain i have a question someone told me that he was doing a spin with a cessna and he lost 2000 feet in 5 seconds is that possible ?
No.
He/she was probably screaming on the way down and likely over exaggerated on the altitude loss lol
Is this out over I-8 near Alpine in California?
+iffdelta You know it
Sweet. I used to fly with California Flight Academy at SEE. Great airspace to fly-in, I miss it dearly.
I'm with another school at SEE. Best airspace to fly in. The most fucked class B you'll find
awesome ^_^
Just imagine how much speed they gained
Not much. Airspeed during spin is close to 0. Pulling out you gain a bit but that is traded for altitude.
man if my mom learns that this is part of the training, she probably wont let me do it lmao..
Evening, anyway of getting hold of you for user rights fr the video. Great Video thanks
What part of the country is this?
Southern California east of San Diego.
Think I'd sort the spin before booting in power nose down. Messy.