2014 Belmont Stakes
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2014
- Robert Evan's Tonalist rallied late to edge Commissioner to win the June 7 Belmont Stakes (gr. I). California Chrome, bidding for the Triple Crown, finished in a dead-heat for fourth with Wicked Strong behind Medal Count.
The 1 1/2-mile distance of the Belmont at Belmont Park has been "heartbreak highway" for 3-year-olds since Affirmed last won the Triple Crown 36 years ago in 1978.
The time for the 12 furlongs was 2:28.52. Tonalist, a son of Tapit --Settling Mist, by Pleasant Colony, was bred in Kentucky by Woodslane Farm.
WinStar Farm's Commissioner went for the early lead from post 8 and was able to dictate the early pace while being tracked by General a Rod, Tonalist, and California Chrome, who took a position inside behind the leaders. The early fractions were mild: :24.06 for the opening quarter-mile and :48.52 for the half-mile.
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My favorite thing is that one year later we not only got a triple crown winner. But all the horses that ran in this year's Belmont either skipped the Preakness or a new shooter. The only horse than ran in all three races was American Pharoah. The triple crown is suppose to be hard to win, that's what makes it so magical.
Fun note American Pharoah is related to secretariat
So is Chrome!
Samantha, I agree 100%! Coburn is a whiner.
PHX Master, not exactly an unknown secret...
So is justify 😁
Sadly, this was the final Belmont Stakes of my fathers life. He was a huge fan of the ponies. He had encyclopedic knowledge of the ponies, especially Belmont Park. Even after suffering a stroke, he told me..Forget California Chrome..put your money on Tonalist. I walked out of Belmont Park that day with a wad of cash.. love and miss you dad.
Also the final Belmont Stakes for Tom Durkin so double whammy 😔
Rest in peace.
Sure….lol
My sincere condolences from Venezuela, Frankly 😔
Your dad has gone, but he will never be forgotten
I hope all the very best for your Dad. What a great story. ❤
I always liked that Donna Brothers was in tears every time the Triple Crown didn't work out. I miss that.
I seen on twitter that he grabbed a quarter during the race. It's a shame, but not a bad finish for being injured. I hope he heals up fast!
Love how Coburn was saying that in his lifetime he wouldn't ever see another Triple Crown winner, but then the next year American Pharoah won it
then literally four years later there was another Triple Crown winner :,)
Was not a big fan of Justify. True he won the TC but didn't really get to prove himself after.
@@ken45y that’s because Justify was bred to establish pedigree, not to breed for races. His entire value is in dollars, not legacy, which is sad because he was a good horse to race
Coburn was salty because he saw all the $$$ he missed out on
tragic, CC gets stepped on out the gate in one of the most important horse races ever, we can just speculate now but I still love that horse for NEVER quitting.
for you people complaining about "oh well it shouldn't be fair to rest a horse and take him out for the Preakness," that is why the Triple Crown is so special. It takes a VERY good and VERY special horse. Calif. Chrone was just not good enough
Totally agreed. After these comments by one of the owners, I am still a fan of California Chrome but not of the owners. Poor losers.
Good point. That jacka$$ (if he had his way) would disqualify a Derby winner who skipped the Preakness because of, let's say, a slight stone bruise, from running in the Belmont. The hypothetical horse--like Hoist the Flag--might have been the two-year-old champion, undefeated in his Derby preps but injured. Tough luck. He's through.
Oddly enough, as he walked through the tunnel, not knowing his 15 minutes of fame would soon transmute into years of infamy, he didn't have any problems with the rules of eligibility for the Belmont because he had deluded himself he owned Man of War.
Will Blake- Amen I say to thee! You said it all! That what makes those 11 who have done it worth tracking down the replays on You Tube ever so often! CC wasn't one of them.
John Carpenter I think he's rational enough to not want a horse who had a legitimate injury be disqualified. Common sense should tell you that he meant horses who were held out on purpose to run in the Belmont. Let's not be simple minded.
ipowers2927
He just said "all or nothing" hard not to interpret it any other way...
Art Sherman is always a class act. I felt really bad for him after California Chrome lost.
Attended. Had Coburn sign my DRF that morning. Air went out of Belmont Park like a pin piercing a balloon.
espinoza blew it by going 4 wide at the beginning of the turn. theres a reason they stagger track starts, hes gone way further than tonalist
Tonalist the winner of the peter pan takes the Belmont! An often overlooked race the peter pan has often played big in this race. Put that one under your hat. CC had a wide trip all the way around.
Steve Coburn should've had a chat with Bob Baffert before this race, for some tips on how to lose the TC graciously. "It was tough on him," Espinoza said, understandably; it's supposed to be. It's the Test of Champions, not the Test of Really Good Horses. All due respect to California Chrome - and Tonalist!
Susan Ouimette 4:30 He also said its because the other horses were fresh......Only horses that should be allowed to race are those that have raced the other triple crown races.....PERIOD.
Susan Ouimette The Belmont is only the 'Test of the Champion' in terms of yesteryear. It's the only Grade 1, 12 furlong race on dirt in the US, and much like the track itself an anachronism.
I suspect what beat CC (and Silver Charm and Real Quiet) and portends to ruin American Pharoah's bid, is that final "monstrous" turn - three weeks apparently is not enough for trainers to prepare horses used to running on mostly mile ovals to negotiate Big Sandy's turn for home.
tizfrreecharm I think what beat CC is that golf ball sized chunk of flesh torn out of the back of his hoof at the start of race.
Right you are. Just as Spectacular Bid lost the Belmont because of what happened to his hoof before the race. They should have both won the TC.
In spite of the results, California Chrome was still the BEST horse in the Triple Crown. Lost the Belmont by less the 3 lengths, too 3 horses who didn't have what it takes to run in all 3 races ? Well Done California Chrome ! Check the pedigrees, the real winner was A.P. Indy.
The best horse in the first two legs of the triple crown.
California Chrome's forefront foot was clipped at the starting gate and injured
the soft tissue part of hoof that is where all the nerves are, look at the photos.
This equine finished the race. I really becoming very suspicious about
Belmont, 36 years, somethings going on somewhere maybe behind closed doors. I don't think Steve Coburn said anything wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All the Triple Crown Champions took on ALL COMERS. Which means Secretariat and Seattle Slew and all the others ran against fresh horses in The Belmont.. Do the math..I was in the ring at Belmont that day..Tonalist was built and trained to run the long distances and big turns at Belmont. Christophe Clement trains horses to run these distances..this is why he was in all of my bets..and not for nothing come Breeders Cup classic day..you'll see when Chrome is finally put away for good..
You were in the ring that day, you saw the
horses, I did not. Tonalist has a very strong
confirmation, he was the strongest horse
in the Belmont, but Chrome has the heart
you can't take that away from him. The
great Citation, Secretariat, and Man O War
are once in a century horses. They have
not bred horses for stamina in a very long
time, just speed. This is why we do not
have Triple Crown winners.
Frankly Speaking You better watch watch Secretariat taking the Triple Crown. Back in those days less horses ran. The ones who should run......ran. Not this many fresh horses. so back in those days the horses who entered the Derby, Preakness then the Belmont had the fight to challenge the horse going for the TC. NOW...money talks and it's all politics. AND Chrome was wounded by Matterhorn and Belmont video's showed that. WHY it wasn't questioned....who knows????
Meanwhile somewhere a young horse named American Pharoah smiled and thought “ people just wait. Almost time. One more year “
CC was arguably the best horse in that field, it sucks that he got derailed by something as flukey as another horse stepping on his foot coming out of the gate.
Secretariat was a freak, born with an abnormally large heart which gave him a huge advantage. By the way, after his Belmont victory I believe he lost his next 2 races before going up to Toronto to end his career with a convincing victory in the International Handicap against older horses.
I don't follow American horseracing actively but the owner appeared to be a sore loser. You also can't change something which has been in place for years. That is what makes it special. It takes a very special horse to win the Triple Crown.
CC was hands down the best horse out there. I agree though, the 20 horses that start the Triple Crown should be the only ones eligible to compete for the three races. Its not entirely fair to enter a fresh horse into just one triple crown race let alone the last race
what? you set a horse to win a race, that's the point of racing
I don't agree at all. Let them rematch at the Travers I bet you Tonalist wins again.
The only people who agree with the guy that broke the existing Triple Crown record for ranting are those who had an emotional need to see California Chrome win. Tell me, Ben, did you want to change the rules two days ago?
I'm so happy that Coburn is not involved with Chrome anymore. And guess what happened the following year a Triple Crown winner and I'm so glad that Bob Baffert won it. 3 times in the Triple Crown 2 close wins but American Pharaoh is the true champion.
THANK YOU. seriously, so many Chromies got so butthurt over this and still want to say Chrome is perfect regardless. AP won the TC and the Grand Slam. CC didn't. He may be a good 4-year-old, but he didn't win. It's that simple. I seriously cannot WAIT until Chrome has to face Arrogate and Frosted in this year's BCC. His fans are the worst. They think that despite his highest Beyers at 113, he's the best horse to ever hit the track. Frankly, he just isn't.
I loved when those Chromies wanted the rules to change. The Triple Crown has been around for 100+ years they're not going to change just because someone who hasn't owned a racehorse didn't get his way. I'm surprised Coburn didn't look up the Triple Crown, it's not like it's the 80s or mid 90s where Internet wasn't available. And also American Pharoah faced fresh horses in the Belmont and still won. As soon as Coburn opened his sore loser mouth, I wanted to throat punch him through the damn tv. I HATE these people who think they know everything about horse-racing because they only watch the Triple Crown and Breeder's Cup. I've been involved with horse-racing since I was 11 years old and it also helps that I have a friend who owns racehorses and travels everywhere with them, mostly to New York and she taught me the ins and outs of the sport. I watch every race even the small grade IIIs and also European racing. Frankel was a beast, I wished he could have come to the US for the Breeder's Cup. Now I follow his offspring and they are beasts on the track
Don't put your betting bankroll on Arrogate or Frosted, Siobie. I don't want you to lose your a*s*s*. The banged-up hoof from a gate incident derailed Chrome's Triple Crown, and you're probably not going to get a banged-up, worn-down, horse come Breeder's Cup day. Victor has said himself the hoof gash at the gate probably took away his best performance.
Smarty Jones and California Chrome will always be the best racehorses even though they didn’t win the Triple Crown which was a heartbreak for both of them
I'd Put Swale or Spectacular bid up against both, giving you 10-1.
Don't forget Real Quiet
Liked Chrome a lot, but Secretariat also ran all three races and still had enough left to break the Belmont record by a ridiculous two seconds.
wonder if Steve Coburn lived to 2015. Because he would have seen the Triple Crown.
I wonder if Coburn is okay. Because we've had not one but two triple crown wins since California Chrome failed to win it.
Great race. Chrome didn't get a good trip, but like so many before him, his tank was empty - he couldn't summon the strength during the last 1/4.
He ain't no secretariat and ok horse will ever win the triple crown like he did best horse ever lived
Oh man, Victor Espinoza got what he failed to get last year.
A Triple Crown Win, American Pharoah!!! 37 year drought over!!!
I’ll never see another triple crown in my lifetime lol ... the year after....
"There's never going to be another Triple Crown winner in my lifetime."
*1 Year Later*
"American Pharoah has won the Triple Crown!!!!!"
@tahoemist98 Correct
Where is the FULL NBC coverage on You Tube or other parts of the net? GOD BLESS.
Lol yes I did win, BIG! I put 10 bucks on Commisisioner and Tonalist and I put 10 bucks on tonalist and commissioner exactas. Tonalist was my sleeper and there wAsnt an ice balls chance in hell I was leaving commissioner out of this race to win or place, if you go to my Facebook page and read what I wrote and why I was picking them about 4 days prior to the belmont
I can understand Colbruns frustration as well as the fans of having a horse win the first two races and then have all the hype and hoopla for the Belmont, only to have every's hopes get dashed again. There really is not any more that the racing officials at this point could do to increase the chances of a Triple Crown winner. Tightening the schedule or shortening the track? No guarantees!! It is a once in a life time achievement or opportunity. NFL team going 19-0? Albert Pujols hitting 100 homers in a season? A 16 seed winning national championship? An basketball team from Nigeria or Saudi Arabia winning the Olympic gold medal? Not impossible but very difficult and unlikely at this time!!
i know people like to just jump on the saltiness here, but this was a tough one for everybody
Great effort by Commisioner. He ran too good to lose. The replay demonstates that the track announcer Larry Collmus completely ignored Commisioner hanging tough on the rail through the stretch and was just concentrating on the outside horses that were closing.
I wonder if Coburn is rooting against American Pharoah?! LOL!
He could have been a little more diplomatic, but he does have a point. Unfortunately, horse racing in North America is on shaky ground, thanks to other forms of betting. People just don't want to pack up and spend an entire afternoon at the track where they'll see a 2 minute race followed by 30 minutes of nothing.
Does anybody remember jai alai?
I didn't think so.
We expect a lot from all of them. CC is a great little horse and therein is the problem, he is not a big Thoroughbred and he has shorter strides. I think the owner was shocked but he still has his horse in one piece!
4:33 key comment right there....."all these fresh horses" Dick Move by Tonalist. Plus CC was flat down the stretch because he had a golf ball sized chunk ripped out of his hoof at the first turn.
California Chrome was up against distance horses, and fell short. His owner was whining about it afterwards, saying "he shouldn't have to go against horses he's never run against".
I PICKED TONALIST!!!! AHHHH!!!!!
Did you make a lot of money?
I thought that this was going to be the year when the Phillies were no -hit and Jeff Bell ran for the Senate in NJ,two things that hadn't happened since 1978.However,maybe 1973 is the parallel because that ended the previous drought of 25 years.I'll start looking for 1973 happenings for a match.
10:20 Look at his wife in the background, poking him and telling him to stop.. She knew how irrational he was sounding.
Nom de Plume and just a year later...
You can even see her saying "Oh my God, stop it, Steve!"
Maybe Ol' Steve can go back to Baltimore and enjoy their hospitality!!!
Greg B You'd be eating them words Greg. ANY race track would show Chrome and his team a very good time. Chrome HAS won many in his 3yr old campaign and took them internationally even. He took second in the DWC which is JUST the best horses in the world invited by the sheikh. Chrome did real good but pooped himself out. I'm GLAD he's out of the USA with all the crap mouths here. AND in a more intelligent country now training. USA has no class. NONE. When it comes to great horses. That's why our horses are all over there now.
RedBev59 What a moron...
If Chrome "pooped himself out" at age 3, he didn't show much stamina! If he is out of the country, it's probably because his owner is embarrassed! Break down the word embarrassed and you can find the word ass! Secretariat was the true equine athlete. Won the Belmont by 33 lengths, going about 40 MPH, and didn't break a sweat. He didn't need cropped to death either. Ron Turcotte knew how to handle his horse. He just let him run! If Chrome is related to Secretariat, it doesn't mean that he is Secretariat! Secretariat sired 600 foals. His brood mares did the best, but none ever replicated his genes!
Tiene toda la razón el dueño de California chrome si 20 corriendo en el Kentucky derby y uno en la segunda corona no debería entrar otro caballo fresco al Belmont stakes es una locura es por eso que por tanto años no uvo un triple crown 👑
Espinoza made a huge mistake going wide very wide if ge stay where he was things wouldve opened up and he wouldve had less ground to cover.
He should have gunned him to the front. He didn’t make that same mistake again with Pharoah ;)
@@ddphotography4313 He said he felt Chrome was tired coming into the race.
@@boxcarent.3147 that could very well be the case… whereas 2015 he had a horse that was actually peaking. Huge difference despite the fact both years he had horses that preferred going to the front
@@ddphotography4313 Espinoza did the same thing in Breeders cup with Crome going wide on the turn. He then is worried inside and outside and covering more ground. Keeping closer to the rail only worrying about the outside and pushing CC earlier, no way he's caught.
Now compare this race to how they let AP do whatever he wanted the following year. Noone just followed CC around here. They showed up to make him earn it.
My reason why we haven't seen a triple crown winner is that if you look at the past triple crown winners(Slew, Affirmed, Big Red) they ran against small fields (Slew i think ran against 9 horses but people told me that 77 was a weak 3 yr crop ). Now with the Belmont stakes every one wants to run. Too many horses that don't belong, Matsuzak and Matterhorn (the horse who clipped with CC at the start) to name a few.
reverberate79 WAY too many in the Derby that many is dangerous 20 come on!!!!
I agree derby should be limited to 15
well I like victor and happy for him, but choosing to go all the way around wide cost the race, should have stayed tucked in, Borel style.
just watched this race, AGAIN, tonight. California Chrome, the big red colt, with three white socks. Shades of Secretariat, but...NOT.
Coburn’s rant certainly aged well! LOL😂
Tyler Morro, yes, especially the "Sit down woman" stare he gives his wife at the end of the interview. 😂
And why interview and watch California chromes connections and jockey after the race.....focus on the WINNER!
Because it was a chance at history. It's not the first time it has happened.
ipowers2927 yeah but once it was beaten focus on the winner, also the owner would not of embarrassed himself if he had time to cool off
I agree Pat... I would have sent Donna packing after seeing Victor being interviewed first!
pat gilligan That's how the media is. HAD to get Coburns reaction. Instead of interviewing the winner. ART should never have had Steve talk. Neither knew CC was hurt BAD either. OR who knows WHAT Coburn would have said about Matterhorn. ??
RedBev59, the distance was too long for him he wouldn't have won
Chrome was stepped on at the gate and the other horses boxed him in sad
😂 at 9:40....Within 4 years two more would be added to the TC list.
Apparently Mr Coburn never heard of Woody Stephens, the great NY trainer who specialized in "upsetting the apple cart" with his horses 5 years in a row.
I bet 100 bucks to win on tonelist. I'm really glad CC lost...
The only thing more disappointing than not seeing a triple crown winner was the sad rant that CC owner went on after his horse lost the race. Maybe he relized he wouldn't be invited to the White House or ring the bell at the NYSE (oh yea, he already did this). I've seen 12 other horse owners, since 1978, lose the triple crown, and I'm sure they were disappointed, but to act like this? You talk about sour grapes! He should have listen to his wife.
It played out exactly as I figured it would . . . .you do not leave Commissioner out of your figures, not with the breeding of this horse !
I did. As long as we're touting our handicapping proness I was all over Arcangues in the B.C. Classic in 1993. How could anyone not take an Andre Favre horse seriously?
I fell to my knees in sadness oh wow what happen people????Why???
Baffert claims to this day California chrome was better then justify and American pharaoh
Victor should've stayed on the rail
He just isn’t good enough. 3/4 was 1:12 and some change. If you can’t win at that pace it’s simple you just aren’t good enough
Was hoping California Chrome will win but the winner totally deserved to win after being three wide all the way. Poor poor ride by the jockey of CC. With the position he had and the front runners going easily he should have stuck towards inside. If he had ridden the way third placed runner did than he would have come a lot closer to winning.
Respectfully, I disagree. I think Victor had him where he needed to be. Had he not had the cracked hoof, he would have fired down the outside leaving everyone else eating dirt.
Greg B I agree, too many people are attacking this horse, he has an
injury in the soft tissure of his hoof where all the nerves are. Look at
the photos. Pain is a deterrent. I am becoming very suspicious of Belmont,
things are not adding up 13 horses win two legs in 36 years, no winner, it doesn't
make sense, I think this is an industry that sabotages itself and it's about
greed and backdoor deals.
I agree with the first part Mildred. A lot of people pretend to know what they are talking about when in fact they wouldn't know a horse's mane from it's cannon or it's muzzle from it's dock... Victor learned from Pat Day, Gary Stevenson and Jerry Bailey, I'm almost certain had he known about or seen the hoof injury during the race he very well may have pulled him up! I know Steve Coburn would not have been happy, but to hell with him!
As far as the Belmont being cursed... It's the longest race with the shortest turn around. It's going to be hard! Remember, you're asking a horse for 3 miles at full speed in just 2 weeks. The only exception to that rule though was Secretariat! He won the Belmont by thirty-one lengths, in a race/track/world record time of 2:24.I swear that horse was 90% robot!
mildred grossman I agree with the first part Mildred. A lot of people pretend to know what they are talking about when in fact they wouldn't know a horse's mane from it's cannon or it's muzzle from it's dock... Victor learned from Pat Day, Gary Stevenson and Jerry Bailey, I'm almost certain had he known about or seen the hoof injury during the race he very well may have pulled him up! I know Steve Coburn would not have been happy, but to hell with him!
As far as the Belmont being cursed... It's the longest race with the shortest turn around. It's going to be hard! Remember, you're asking a horse for 3 miles at full speed in just 2 weeks. The only exception to that rule though was Secretariat! He won the Belmont by thirty-one lengths, in a race/track/world record time of 2:24.I swear that horse was 90% robot!
I m one of the few souls who are ardent fans of the US Triple Crown in India.California Chrome was a great horse and i wished it should have won the Triple crown on the day i got promoted.But it just didn't had enough gas to make it victorious till the finish line.
As for the owners are concerned sorry to say ,you are poor losers. Under similar circumstances Seattle Slew won the Triple Crown Undefeated(the only horse to do so) and Secretariat won it by 31 Lengths and sixteenth of a mile (the biggest ever in belmont). That's what makes these horses Stuff of Legends. Even as great a horse it is like Man O' War, it is sadly not a Triple Crown Champion.
I don't know how long should i wait to see another Triple Crown Winner
Doesn’t this race just show everyone how Secretariat was from a different planet!!!
I have to agree with the owner. If you take horses that skip races so they are 100% fresh and put them up against a tired horse obviously the fresh horses will have a big advantage. That's just common sense.
And the GREAT triple crown winners in the past overcame that same obstacle. What u wanna make it easier and take away that challenge? gtfo poor common sense
Kevin Canaber Yeah but id rather know what horse is the best based on all of them having equal chance. If they all are fresh its fair, and if they all ran the first 2 races it would be fair. But skipping one of the races gives too big of an advantage.
Good point with out cc the race or purse wouldn't have exist so it does matter they other horses was put in this race before the prekness so it was plan and I think cc jockey sold out the race
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give tonalist his due. CC ran out my gas this day. he got his 105 rest then had no business in the penns. derby. Bayern loved those slow fractions. those were work fractions 4 him. this day belong 2 Bayern. Something about Bayern I like.
bambimixyyumi I love Bayern too. Dortmund is like Bayern. BUT even Bayern has his day. He took 12th in the Preakness last year. So, even the best have their bad days. Tonalist was a fresh GREAT horse who ALMOST got beat by CC who was wounded and ran six straight races being a Contender for the Crown. CC was second/then third behind a GREAT FRESH horse. SO, how great IS that fresh great horse really? And General A Rod and Social Inclusion also ran six straight races, the Derby and Preakness AND Belmont and they pinned better than some of those FRESH GREAT horses too. Tells me......the facts say.......Chrome, Social Inclusion and General A Rod are REAL. The real deal. Being so tired they were more fit actually. CC was wounded but stayed ahead for a while , couldn't hold it. HE's a darn good athlete. AND deserved HOY, Champion 3 yr old and Champion Cal bred. Earned them with no candy given to him to make it sweet at all. I'm GLAD he's out of the USA.
Maybe the owner's right. Only the horses entered in all three races should be eligible for the Triple Crown.
if a horse isn't entered in one of the 3 races he can't win the triple crown because you have to win the THREE races hence the name triple crown
I think he means that only the horse entered in all 3 races can go for the triple crown and the prize money. This sport is more expense than F1 racing and for a horse to be entered in one race and walk away with the biggest purse is kind of unfair to owners who enter into the 3 races. But being unfair seems to be the American way.
The Belmont, Preakness, and Kentucky Derby are three separate races, all run before the term 'triple crown' was thought of. To win the 'Triple Crown" you must win all three, but It is not required that any horse must run in all the races, and never has been.
Charles Damery that's like saying you cant enter the Melbourne cup unless you enter the cox plate and Caulfield cup lol. the races are different distances, nothing wrong with setting a horse to win 1 of the races.
No he's not he's an idiot.
However I also used wicked strong with commissioner and tonality the same way back to back, on my Facebook I also wrote who didnt have a chance on this track, hestntonpms @ Facebook Anthony Saponaro, that's me :)
I agree with the owner here...I mean its really not fair to race fresh horses against well raced horeses but as history shows it can be done so I don't know why they would change that now....maybe they need to change the quality of horses they are breeding that would cut back on break downs and so much more....I mean with all the imbreding these days is just horrendous....with all the break downs now a days if they don't do something they are going to see this fine sport banned and I can say I wouldn't be surprised...look at cali hes a ''low bred'' horse and look what he did,,,,get away from all the imbreeding and maybe just maybe we might get lucky and get something just remotely close to secretariat.....
i agree....I was one of the many people thinking it couldn't be done again....I was a moron....but I still stand by what I said with all the inbreeding and break downs
barboro1 exactly thank youu!
monopoly character got a point....BUT you know what??? they being doing this the same way from day one, you gotta be a super horse to win it all!! if you cant win it this year just wait for the next one.....Belmont stake, the test of the champions!!
Wah, wah, wah, my horsey didn't win. If your horse was THAT good he would have overcome and beaten all the rest. He was no Secretariat, and there never will be another Secretariat!!! Case closed!!
I agree,,, california was no secretariat!! It doesnt matter if he ran all three races and was tired. he wasnt worthy of the triple crown!! secretariat was great!!
kim montesano one of the best sports performances ever. Its not talked about enough. That horse refused to lose.
And Citation was 32-10-2 of 45. It's called "racing luck" for a reason. Did Jordan shoot for 50 points in every game? Did Usain Bolt win every race? What - they're only human? Well, horses are only equine. Why do some people insist that greatness can't exist in the absence of "perfection?"
Steve Viveney who said Chrome WAS Secretariat. CHROME is chrome and yes he would have won that race. HE was fit enough to win it. Coburn didn't know his horse got wounded. He shouldn't have said anything at all BUT he did. THAT IS in the past.
he would of won the triple crown actually. Immediatly after leaving the gate, the horse next to california chrome, matterhorn, stepped on chrome's heal. It took out a lot of tissue and he even bled. He ran a great race despite the odds going against him.
+Darrel sibbet umm your waaaay wrong. California chrome is way far from being the best triple crown horse
Oh and not a great ride covering all the extra distance on a tired horse that was suspect at the distance
Lost all respect for that owner. Ha, never see a triple crown ever again. Bet he regrets saying that now.
CRAP, I couldn't figure out WHY Chrome just didn't kick into gear..he wasn't tired and was fit and ready to.....then after the race we knew why. WOW, he got hurt BAD by the horse next to him coming out of the gate. He went UP under Chrome coming down on his leg cutting his tendon and then down on his foot taking off a bulb on his right foot. DAMN MATTERHORN. There's pictures that show it anyway AND pictures of CC's wounds. The poor horse tried hard but just couldn't kick into gear. AFTER the race Victor went to Visit Chrome and he couldn't even walk. Was lame. So he went to Harris Farm to heal for THREE months. Thanks to Matterhorns jockey. jerks. CRAP we would have had a Triple Crown winner. By a horse who sure deserved it. CRAP. Belmont slaughter is what I call it. Chrome is one fantabulous one in a life time horse. He had a target on his Cal Bred butt that whole year after he won the Derby.
RedBev59 You're the poster child for people who only see what they want to see and believe what they emotionally have to believe. Just in case you missed it the first time. (And by the way, had CC really lacerated his tendon--and it would have quite likely been the deep digital flexor--most likely which runs down to the distal phalanx (the coffin bone), even if a thoroughbred suffers the MILDEST of injuries to a tendon, you're looking at nine to 12 months for it to heal because there aren't enoough fibroblasts to keep up with repair and there is poor blood supply to tendons and ligaments which markedly prolong the repair of damaged tissue.
Now, given California Chrome was back in competition by September and given Art Sherman's own statement your claim that CC cut his tendon doesn't pass the laugh test.
Art Sherman, June 9th: ""He had a cut by his tendon where they hit him. That's what scared me the most. It wasn't deep; it was superficial. Gosh, that's the worst thing that can happen to a horse, hit his tendon. But we got lucky there. It just went down to the bottom of his foot, by his pastern."
"Wounded bad? The trainer described as superficial.
"Nicked a tendon?"
No. Unless you know something Art Sherman didn't, never actually saw a performance horse with a tendon injury, or know something vets don't about what is frequently a catastophic, career ending injury, you're just blowing smoke.
RedBev59 YOU LIE!!
RedBev59 well we can all relax cuz AP pulled it out!!!
RedBev59 If CC had been injured, he would have broken down like Barbaro and many other horses. You all are just trying to make up excuses instead of accepting the fact that California Chrome isn't a Triple Corwn-worthy horse.
it's actually true. Its on his wikipedia page. He would of won the triple crown
I think Victor made a mistake, and got in a bad position. 🐴
2015 tcw AP. 2018 tcw Justified. No need to change it. The super horses win.
at least we know horse racing isnt fixed
Bulletin that almost every horse including the winner, skipped the derby and preakness. Ran against chrome who of course ran all 3. Not right at all.
Tonalist
(February 11, 2011 - )
* Sire: Tapit
* Grandsire: Pulpit
* Dam: Settling Mist
* Damsire: Pleasant Colony
* Sex: Colt
* Breeder: Woodslane Farm
* Owner: Robert S. Evans
* Trainer: Christophe Clement / France
* Jockeys: Joel Rosario
John Velasquez
Joe Bravo
* 16 Starts
* 7 Firsts
* 4 Seconds
* 2 Thirds
* 1 Fourth
* 2 Fifths
* $ 3,647,000 earned (Current $ 4,569,487)
* Well done, Champion! 😎
* Best regards from Venezuela
Tonalist
(11 de Febrero, 2011 - )
* Padre: Tapit
* Abuelo paterno: Pulpit
* Madre: Settling Mist
* Abuelo materno: Pleasant Colony
* Sexo: Potro
* Criador: Woodslane Farm
* Propietario: Robert S. Evans
* Entrenador: Christophe Clement / Francia
* Jinetes: Joel Rosario
John Velasquez
Joe Bravo
* 16 Salidas
* 7 Primeros
* 4 Segundos
* 2 Terceros
* 1 Cuarto
* 2 Quintos
* $ 3.647.000 producidos ($ 4.569.487 actuales)
* ¡Bravo, Campeón! 😎
* Saludos desde Venezuela
I read these comments and its clear people do not have a clue! That was the worse ride on the favorite as he was the speed! then got choked a half mile and then went wide and only got beat by four. had he went to the lead and stayed on rail he would have been next triple crown winner. The ride was worse than Smarty Jones.
And this is why I follow Australian racing, not American racing, crazy saying you have to enter all 3 races, and if you wanted to you can till just aim your horse at the 1st leg then withdraw saying the horse needs a spell. Just stupid talk really
STAY DOWN UNDER ITS A LOT CLOSER TO HELL...
Nate Gaikwad-Where is it, Paupa New Gina ot The Solamand Islands?
Nate Gaikwad but seriously the racing is so much better. Better tracks, better prizemoney, better betting, best jockeys in the world...... and the race callers in the usa are worst in the world, painful to listen to
I'd bet 99% of the people watching yesterday's Belmont don't even know who Phar Lap was and 99.9999% of those bet on California Chrome would have a clue.
John Carpenter not sure what u mean, but its pretty obv american racing is struggling, and I couldnt br confident betting on jockeys that ride like that, no surprise u dont see American jockeys allowed to ride in hong kong
shades of shergar in the english st leger, looked unbeatable but he wasn't
Shergar? Shergar?
Shergar won his debut (the Guardian Classic by 11); the Chester Vase by 12; the Epsom Derby by 10 lengths and the Irish Derby by four lengths--and he wone each race in a canter. He then beat older in the King George by an efforless four lengths.
California Chrome, on the other hand, felt the whip three times in the Preakness and held off a colt that had not won a Grade One race. The only people who thought Californa Chrome would be invincible in the Belmont believed that because they wanted to, not because he had established himself as a super horse as Shergar had beating exceptional opponents. He trounced Golden Fleece at Epsom. Golden Fleece went on to become the top-rated European horse of 1982. He also defeated Glint of Gold who won six Grooup 1 races in four countries and in the King George he beat the older Master Willie who had a timeform rating of 129 and who had won the Jockey Club Stakes, Benson and Hedges Stakes, Coronation Cup, and Coral Eclipse Stakes--each among the U.K.'s best races.
Had the 2014 Derby, Preakness, and Belmont been classified this year according to European standards, they would have been Grade 2 stakes at best, California Chrome faced only the winner of ONE grade one race. That almost defies probability. He finally had to take down two Grade 1 colts, Tonalist and Commisioner and he wasn't up to it; possibly at 1 1/8th miles but
not at a truly classic distance this early in the year.
I agree Shergar was a true great, I think even Frankel would have had trouble beating him at his best. The point I was making is that if a true great can be beaten, then anyone can. I loved Shergar but I had a funny feeling that he would lose the St Leger.
John Carpenter the greatest horse that ever lived Secretariat was beaten. It happens man.
ipowers2927 Only Americans and those who were alive in the 70's and still are consider Secretariat the best ever, and not even all of those. Jack Wilson who called charts both for Secretariat and Citation, unhestatingly answered, "Citation" when asked who was better.
Ask Europeans and they'll suggest Sea Bird, Brigadier Girard, Nijinsky, Ribot, Mill Reef, Frankel, Sir Ivor, or Shergar. Talk to Australians and they'll say "Phar Lap".
We Americans are so provincial sometimes. Such is our myopia Secretariat becomes the default best-ever even over Man of War, although both never faced each other. And to compound our sense of superiority we somehow believe our dirt racing is superior to Europe's grass racing.
Did you ever hear the name "Brigadier Gerard"? He was 17-18 and his only loss was to Mill Reef who was 12-14, and ran second in the other two.
Soo, I respectfully disagree that Secretariat was the best horse that ever lived since he was beaten by Prove Out, Onion, and Angle Light--none of whom were in Mill Reef's class
John Carpenter Man, he has set track records at tracks that still stand to this day. He was a freak of nature and no other horse can match up to that. Every horse he lost to he came and beat them convincingly and set track records after every one of his losses. I wouldn't give a damn you brought up 50 horses from all over the world, they wouldn't be able to stand the test of time like Secretariat. Citation had times in the Preakness and Belmont that were slower then California Chrome's so miss me with Citation being better.
I'll never see another Triple Crown, till next year. MAN OF WAR didn't run all three. Crybaby
naaaaaaaw bad ride, he shoulda brought him out of that bad spot, or maybe the jock got the call from the mob..........."today you lose......." click.
HE SHOULD LISTEN TO HIS WIFE AND SHUT UP.
Coburn has a valid point, but as a purist myself you cant change the format now, or there will be an asterisk next to the winners name. by the way coburn was a sore loser because tonalist ran like everything but a coward.
Bill Ross AND the Ambush continues this year. We already got a heads up on WHAT fresh horses will be in the Belmont this year. AP will have one hell of a fight on his hands IF he wins the Preakness. If he doesn't win.....I would keep him out of the Belmont. Hell with it.
Thats what makes this game great. sport of Kings baby.
RedBev59 Frosted is duplicating Tonalist's Dick Move by skipping the Preakness so he can be fresh for the belmont. Frosted will be hard to beat....AP might be done.
HawksAndFalcons Fan Yes.....
Bill Ross He has no valid point and if you think he does than just count yourself as an invalid.
Steve Coburn didn't say anything wrong. He is correct in what he is saying. Its not fair to the horses running all three races to bring in a fresh horse.
A great triple crown horse will beat any horse who opposes it…. Tired or not tired