Why are all Guitarists suddenly turning Classical?

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  • @tayrowell
    @tayrowell 2 дні тому +6

    I did it and my playing and technique improved tremendously and it opened up new doors with playing fingerstyle. The best part is learning what a good practice regimen is. I took flamenco lessons afterwards because my skills took such a big leap.
    It also opened me up to a whole new world of music and influences.

  • @Muzikman127
    @Muzikman127 3 дні тому +17

    A little known detail of this topic in the Anglosphere which you didn't mention in your video is that South American "classical" guitarists pretty much all played on steel strung instruments until around half a century ago. Gut strings simply didn't travel well or handle the climate there well, so I'm told, and so steel strings were essentially the only option until the introduction of nylon strings with Segovia, which nevertheless didn't become widely popular until another couple of decades after their invention. Listen to recordings of e.g. Dilermando Reis for "classical" steel strung guitar. Nowadays, many of his works are in the standard classical repertoire I believe, but today more often played on nylon strings - but the older recordings are all on steel strung classical guitars (wide necks, presumably fan braced, etc.).
    In Portugal too today, _Fado_ music is often played on guitars that are more like a Torres than a Martin, but strung with steel strings. That instrument is most often called "Viola de Fado", and if you ever get the opportunity to play a decent luthier built one, it's uncanny. It feels like a classical guitar in its dimensions, and the tone it produces at times sounds much more like a classical guitar than a conventional martinesque "acoustic", but, at the same time, obviously sounds like steel strings also. Very interesting playing experience - I was lucky enough that a Portuguese musician let me play theirs on a few occasions (on one of these, quite an old and valuable instrument I later found out)
    Old Brazilian samba records are also full of “steel string but different” tones too (albeit less classical in their approach, samba is its own thing). Dino 7 cordas was the king of this fingerpicked steel strung guitar (with a 7th low C string for lower bass lines woven through the music). “Preciso me Encontrar” by one Cartola is a good record to hear this classical-ish technique of Brazilian popular 7 string guitar playing. Nowadays that piece is most often played on nylon strung “classical” guitars (you can see some very good performances of this and other similar repertoire on UA-cam)
    I'm glad you highlighted the somewhat arbitrary nature of the divide initiated by Segovia. That mentality is almost universal in Europe and the broader Anglosphere, but it became apparent to me how artificial the divide actually was when living in Brazil, and seeing how fuzzy the line between "classical" and "steel string/acoustic/popular" guitar is in actuality, both in the construction of instruments, and in the technique of the players, Brazil being a country where that line simply isn't drawn in the same way (the idea that a classical guitarist might also play and be equally versed in popular styles like choro & samba there is the rule rather than the exception). I also think it's probably no coincidence that some of the most interesting modern guitar playing is coming out of Brazil or with Brazilian influence, a country where all guitarists, including the classically minded/trained, are drawing from a rich well of popular guitar traditions also.
    I also think some of those historical instruments which sit somewhere in between "acoustic" and "classical" guitars, that you can see a lot in pictures of guitarists in the past in South America, produce some really interesting sounds too. (that are now sadly being lost as Brazilian mass produced guitar makes follow international models of "classical" and "folk" guitars with a sharp division; X braced steel stung acoustics on the one hand, which are sold as "violão folk" there, and Torres copies on the other, sold as "Violão clássico"; i.e. the same bifurcation as in the rest of the world)
    Like the Portuguese viola de fado and, I imagine (not having played one myself) some of the small-bodied “parlor guitars” that are having a bit of a resurgence now, the interesting thing to me is always steel string guitars that aren't just build for thunderously loud "cowboy chords", and who refuse to sing when played otherwise, but those which also allow you to play expressive single note lines, and more sparsely plucked closed chords all the way up the neck, while still sounding full and resonant. Personally I would love it if "Classical guitar"ists and non-classical alike would take more of an interest in such instruments. But that's just me 🙃

    • @VenancioPaiolaTonon
      @VenancioPaiolaTonon 2 дні тому

      What an insightful comment! You seem to be very knowledgeable on this subject, would you mind sharing with us where to find more information on this?

    • @PcBguitarLibrary
      @PcBguitarLibrary 2 дні тому

      Part of that reason is , spanish type guitars are made as fragile as possible for that proper drum like note attack, they mostly all crack, break and fall apart after a while.

    • @XE1GXG
      @XE1GXG 2 дні тому

      Fixe! Interessante .

  • @elementsofphysicalreality
    @elementsofphysicalreality 3 дні тому +4

    I am on a classical binge. It started with David Russell, Pepe Romero, John Williams, Julian Bream, Kazuhiro Yamashita, Segovia, Manuel Barrueco, Paco de Lucia, and Vicente Amigo. But now it’s deep… Alkan, Rachmaninoff, Ravel, Dvorak, Bartok, Brahms, Schumann, Schubert… all of it. I chat GPT’d every single good classical composer. Purcell, Saint Saens, Stravinsky, Debussy, Mahler. It never ends. On top of that I already jumped into jazz. Art Tatum, Oscar Peterson… too many. My brain has been warped. I don’t know how to interact with normal people anymore.

    • @wigman1962
      @wigman1962 2 дні тому +1

      Welcome to the real world of music

  • @marpsr
    @marpsr 3 дні тому +11

    Thank you. Now I don’t have to feel vaguely guilty practicing Bach on my Stratocaster.

    • @CanadianDivergent
      @CanadianDivergent 3 дні тому +4

      I'm a cellist but play a Strat copy tuned down to C G D A with ample distortion and play the Bach cello suites on it. I use my fingers and do mostly hammer ons/pull offs to get a liquid like legato "bow" feel. no guilt here!

  • @stephenashworth2480
    @stephenashworth2480 2 дні тому

    I started playing classical to improve my sight reading and there is more graded music in that genre. Never looked back. In time I was able to look at the music and hear it without playing it first. A very satisfying skill and not common amongst guitarists. That also made music easier to understand and was a transferrable skill to violin and piano. For anyone interested in progressive classical guitar pieces that sound very nice start with Fernando Sor Opus 44, 24 progressive lessons, Opus 35, 24 Very Easy Lessons and Opus 35, 24 Very Easy Lessons.

  • @RobertHershkowitz
    @RobertHershkowitz 2 дні тому +3

    Some great playing here.

  • @williamveramendi7738
    @williamveramendi7738 День тому +1

    This tango sounds good with electric guitar ❤bravo I will definitely try that. Thanks

  • @ThiagoMatarazzoGuitar
    @ThiagoMatarazzoGuitar 3 дні тому

    Just found your channel. Man, what a quality content! Really nice work (:

  • @davidschwartzguitar
    @davidschwartzguitar 3 дні тому +3

    Take a listen to Ben Monder. Though he’s typically considered a jazz guitarist, many of his compositions are through-composed, and feature the kinds of techniques you’d encounter in a Villa-Lobos etude. I highly recommend the albums “Excavation,” and “Oceana.”

  • @Mangoré1885
    @Mangoré1885 3 дні тому +3

    I switched to classical from electric guitar 10 years ago. I still play electric guitar but I only use my classical technique to play. I like to play classical pieces using various effects just for fun. Ive had numerous classical guitar teachers tell me its not possible to use classical guitar technique on electric for various reasons lol. Coming from teachers that didn't play electric guitar at all. The more you play it becomes natural to separate the voices and control the sustain.

  • @SixStringSteve
    @SixStringSteve День тому

    I began learning classical guitar in 1976 and have no doubt the skills I developed made playing blues and rock from around 1985 a lot easier. Learning classical guitar makes your left hand very strong, and develops stamina as bar chords are often employed, sometimes relentlessly depending on the key. Another skill is imagination. Classical guitar covers five centuries of music, from the renaissance thru baroque, classical, romantic, impressionist, abstract. These feed our database with many moods, melodies, rhythms, odd time and key signatures, which we apply to writing progressions and melodies that are off the beaten track, which is what it’s all about - invention.

  • @crisoliveira2644
    @crisoliveira2644 3 дні тому +3

    My first reaction to the subject of this video was "Wait, that's not a new thing. It's just that rockers in the 70's and 80's didn't have UA-cam." 😛
    Funny thing, Brandon Acker is shown briefly in the video and he used to play in a metal band during his youth.

  • @GuitarraErudita
    @GuitarraErudita 3 дні тому

    Luv this! I'm on it for a bit more than 20y!!! Its just amazing what is happening in the electric guitar world.

  • @CalvinLimSH-ld5le
    @CalvinLimSH-ld5le 3 дні тому +1

    Classical guitar strings gives us the warm dark mellow beautiful acoustic sounds. It is much easier for beginners wanting to learn the basics of guitar playing minus all the expensive electric gears. It also more gentle on your finger tips when you are starting to play slides on the nylon strings as compared to the hard metal strings. The quality of the guitar wood parts used also gives you another acoustic characteristic sound options to play beautiful fingerstyle pieces.

  • @Nordic_Sky
    @Nordic_Sky 3 дні тому +1

    Had played steel string my whole life. About 20 years ago I switched to classical and went after it hard. A whole new world. Classical technique has taught me so much more about music than I ever learned in my previous life.

  • @CanadianDivergent
    @CanadianDivergent 3 дні тому +1

    We always go back to our roots. I started as a country blues player, then developed pure blues, then Yngwie came out, and that was it, I wanted to play pure classical. Got rid of my electric, bought a classical guitar and the rest is history. now I'm a cellist, and tune my electric down to C G D A and I don't use the bottom two strings ( B. E) play Bach on electric with some compressed distortion with sustain, . like the The 6th Suite for cello.

  • @benjamindelcastillovega
    @benjamindelcastillovega 3 дні тому +1

    As a painter and also a classical guitar aficionado player I would suggest to any serious guitarist out there that really wants to improve the guitar technique and take it to the next level to practice drawing and sculpting with clay or developing other abilities besides the classical guitar techniques, guitar players don't realize how important it is to acquire other skills with your fingers (specially for the left thumb finger which in my observations is the finger that most of the guitar players out there struggle with the most)
    I am a gifted left handed artist but I would suggest if you are a right handed guy to use your left hand in other skills as much as you can, that is so important that its really interesting how that is so overlooked even at the highest levels of the instruments, hydration is also extremely important.

  • @ritupabankotoky
    @ritupabankotoky 3 дні тому +1

    Best video. shared with all my students

  • @solyounan
    @solyounan 3 дні тому

    Really great deep dive that I'll definitely use with my students as well! Thank you, Jakob! Beautiful playing, as well! Now to go practice...:)

  • @truescotsman4103
    @truescotsman4103 День тому +1

    Randy Rhoades is a better example of a classical approach to hard rock/heavy metal than Yngwie Malmsteen. Both are institutions in their own right but with completely different approaches to guitar. Randy had a traditional approach to classical guitar and was a hard rock player spawned in 70s club scene in LA. Yngwie was Swedish kid exposed to some of the great music we had in the US but he was limited in what he had access to because of that European market. He gravitaged more towards classical composers and violinists like Vivaldi. Yngwie took more of a virtuoso violinists approach while Randy was more of a traditional classical player with his own amazing ideas. To me what stands out between these two is the songwriting. Randy's songwriting is far beyond anything Yngwie ever achieved. Yngwie was more focused on presentation and blistering speed and some really innovative techniques and special scales he created for himself.

  • @carolaguitarra
    @carolaguitarra 22 години тому

    Always very interesting your documentations!
    Only for my the background music is rather disturbing and it makes not want to listen anymore.
    Can you help me what study said it's an advantage to play background music?

  • @mer1red
    @mer1red 3 дні тому +26

    I don't think it's a good idea to make a distinction between generations. *All guitarists did not turn to classical recently* . I know many older ones who started with a classical training and switched to other styles, among others because in the past there was no organised educational system for pop and jazz. Other older self educated pop players switched to classical. By the way, there do exist universities or similar that offer pop or jazz training nowadays. UA-cam is not the real world. The UA-cam community consists mainly of people that for different reasons cannot or do not want to go to a music school. There is a mutual influence in this community that causes some seeming, not representative trends.

    • @ishimoto1597
      @ishimoto1597 3 дні тому

      Plenty of electric guitar at universities in jazz programs.

    • @average-team-kid
      @average-team-kid 3 дні тому

      Chet Atkins is a good example here in the opposite direction

    • @ishimoto1597
      @ishimoto1597 3 дні тому +1

      @average-team-kid jerry reed also killed it on the nylons

    • @metalpuppet5798
      @metalpuppet5798 День тому

      A lot of creators on UA-cam have a formal musical education and are inspiring people to get one. even though imo its irrelevant if you have it or not.

  • @rockstarjazzcat
    @rockstarjazzcat 3 дні тому

    Very nice! Subscribed. Cheers, Daniel 🤙🏼

  • @Codename-l8o
    @Codename-l8o 3 дні тому +3

    Weirdly, you have a point. Finger picking on guitar will make you learn a whole lot faster than normal.

  • @ToastandJam52
    @ToastandJam52 3 дні тому

    Great video and a thought provoking topic! I agree that Tonebase is a fantastic resource however for me, even with the Black Friday sales, it is too expensive. However, I do enjoy the Tonebase UA-cam channel. Keep up the good work! Thanks!

  • @jimicunningable
    @jimicunningable 3 дні тому +5

    I'm old af. Yngwie had us doing Bach & Paganini aeons ago too. Fashion..

  • @ianflurrance8438
    @ianflurrance8438 3 дні тому +4

    Love seeing this topic being addressed. I defiantly am seeing more break down between the worlds. For any classical player wanting to adventure into electric, the world of jazz Chord Melody playing is an amazing place to start. So much cross over, it’s pretty much the same thing.

  • @JazzyJunior
    @JazzyJunior 3 дні тому

    I did not grow up with “classic rock” per se from the 60’s-70’s.
    I love classical, jazz, metal, fusion, etc. It’s all good music!

  • @Mangoré1885
    @Mangoré1885 3 дні тому

    Barrios la catedral prelude sounds great with some effects. The whole song sounds great but especially the two slow movements

  • @markfristedt3270
    @markfristedt3270 3 дні тому +1

    This is what I thought when I first heard Roncalli. All he had was a fragile baroque guitar, but his soul wanted to shred.

  • @PcBguitarLibrary
    @PcBguitarLibrary 2 дні тому +1

    Cool thing is, I keep finding nylon guitars worth thousands for 1 or $200 because they all look the same to the metalhead second stores and pawn shops still stuck in thier heavy metal world.. these guys really need to learn the difference between flamenco guitars/classicals and what brazilian rosewood looks like

    • @antoniodespenteado
      @antoniodespenteado 2 дні тому

      Not before I find myself a Brazillian rosewood, please let's keep it a secret ;)

  • @Muzikman127
    @Muzikman127 3 дні тому

    I've been playing a lot of Bach these last few months, on steel strings. I didn't realize that I was following a trend! 😅 I've just been playing for myself, I like the way it sounds on steel strung instruments. I'm sure my technique is all wrong from a classical guitarist's perspective though (although I try to play the music dynamically, rhythmically and timbrally in a way that suits the music, so “classically” in that sense)

  • @johnoffutt898
    @johnoffutt898 2 дні тому

    I can say that classical style requires much more technique and precision and perfection for each note blends together smoothly. I strum rhythm and flatpicking bluegrass and lead. If you watch Ana Vidovic, John Williams and David Russell you will see how much time and study. Between right hand, left hand, Giuliani and Sor etudes and Arpeggios. The Aaron Shearer complete scales studies, repertoire and Techniques studies. Takes time and focus. But it is worth it and I love learning. But remember Andres Segovia said you can play professional guitar for 90 years You Never Master The Guitar Only Getting Better.

  • @ekwnfhwndgv561
    @ekwnfhwndgv561 2 дні тому

    Literally me, im playing disgorge and bach's bwv 825 gigue

  • @joex9865
    @joex9865 3 дні тому +1

    Suddenly, over the past 50+ years

  • @chrismuratore4451
    @chrismuratore4451 День тому

    Pizzicato on electric without a pick is definitely harder, but that's pretty much the only thing I've found so far. Everything else is easier

  • @Identitees
    @Identitees 3 дні тому +2

    Punk Rockers were not against classical music! They were just fed up with the then current mainstream.

  • @luserdroog
    @luserdroog 3 дні тому

    You're not wrong about the difficulty of articulating accents with the natural compression and saturation of amplification, BUT there are techniques to address this by careful control of the gain staging. With each volume or gain pot in the chain, you can find the spot where clipping happens, and then the amount you pull back from there defines your headroom. NB. Be Super Careful with piezos that have on-board preamps (if you put in a battery)! Never push a piezo preamp to 10 if you value the hardware that's receiving that signal. Dial those in from zero.

  • @osamucabral
    @osamucabral 3 дні тому

    This vídeo is about the Zeitgeist seen by a classical guirarist like us.

  • @paulysguitarjournal
    @paulysguitarjournal 3 дні тому

    Classical Guitar (acoustic, natural sounds) always sounds better. I think one of the things you didn’t cover was neck width and how classical guitar is made for finger style. That being said, there are companies making some very beautiful electric nylons. It would be nice to see an electric nylon guitar made like an electric with a 2 inch neck and that connects at the 14th fret instead of the 12th. 😊

    • @jfo3000
      @jfo3000 2 дні тому +1

      Godin Mutiac. Connects at 15th fret on top side and connects farther up at the with cutaway. Wide fingerboard. I played a used one at GC last week. I was tempted...

    • @paulysguitarjournal
      @paulysguitarjournal 2 дні тому

      @ ah, I haven’t seen one that connected at the 15th with a 2” neck width. Maybe I’ll have to tempt myself. 🤣

  • @kasunmaduwage2316
    @kasunmaduwage2316 3 дні тому

    Dear all, he mentioned a name of a musician at 3.46, may I know the exact name please! I heard it as G.G Onshishaben

  • @georgeoffenberger1262
    @georgeoffenberger1262 2 дні тому +2

    Everyones an expert on youtube smh

  • @georgeoffenberger1262
    @georgeoffenberger1262 2 дні тому

    Suddenly? Someones been living under a rock.

  • @williamlovering973
    @williamlovering973 13 годин тому

    Please do a Master of Puppets performance video!

  • @Obi-WanKannabis
    @Obi-WanKannabis 2 дні тому

    The neoclassical movement was almost turning what the violin used to be in classical music and putting it on the electric guitar.
    The current movement is to play literal classical guitar

  • @yosoy1991
    @yosoy1991 3 дні тому

    Bassists are the ones who have come closest to classical guitar techniques, especially because when using a 6-string bass, they dedicate themselves to making bass, harmony and melody.
    The biggest problem with the classical guitar is that no one knows its repertoire, that is, even classical music for orchestra and piano continues to be seen by the masses as elitist music, now the classical repertoire for the guitar is even more unknown ( basically only classical guitarists know about it) and the guild of classical guitarists around the world is not very large, just look at the subscribers who have the UA-cam channels that disseminate classical guitar.

  • @ibanezlaney
    @ibanezlaney 17 годин тому

    I have always enjoyed classical guitar even though im not great at it. But the problem with some modern players like Henson, or the ichy guy (who has a habit of speeding up his videos) - they have no sense of melody or rhythm. They do a form of noodling. I don't really think they are in the same league as a good classical player even though they are technically proficient they produce nothing worth listening to.

  • @creepyinformation7620
    @creepyinformation7620 2 дні тому

    So this is where the comments i have seen seem to come from 🤣 some guitarists now think that everything is classical music, even if its rage against the Machine or nicki Minaj they still think that.

  • @josdurkstraful
    @josdurkstraful 3 дні тому

    For good measure I think you should have mentioned John Williams, who bridged the gap between classical and electric guitar for the first time.

  • @ritvikchaturvedi7983
    @ritvikchaturvedi7983 2 дні тому

    What is his name?

  • @leandrotibirica8761
    @leandrotibirica8761 2 дні тому

    could someone transcribe the names he mentions, please? I couldn't take all of them

  • @kali2109
    @kali2109 3 дні тому

    tango en skai intermediate level 😮‍💨

  • @DebbieBarrette
    @DebbieBarrette День тому

    You CAN study electric guitar in universities and conservatories.

  • @luserdroog
    @luserdroog 3 дні тому

    subito!

  • @MethenySco
    @MethenySco 3 дні тому

    Are they? Like who?

  • @marcod9626
    @marcod9626 2 дні тому

    a bit of an overgeneralisation - but classical guitarists , get some rhythm and learn harmony!

  • @misterknightowlandco
    @misterknightowlandco 3 дні тому

    Because rock n roll and metal is for kids and dying off anyways. Classical music is much better.

  • @flyvendegrise
    @flyvendegrise День тому

    You need to do a lot more research there’s a lot of conservatory’s you can study electric guitar

  • @mooseymoose
    @mooseymoose 3 дні тому

    To be fair, I've been doing this for over 25 years. Definitely not "suddenly".

  • @ishimoto1597
    @ishimoto1597 3 дні тому +2

    The electric version of tango en skai sounds horrible......

    • @josdurkstraful
      @josdurkstraful 3 дні тому +1

      The chorus effect doesn't do it any good...

  • @thepigeondev2943
    @thepigeondev2943 3 дні тому

    You also gotta take the fact, Generation Z just isn't into metal music. You can say the Genre cannibalized itself. Which is pretty metal, not gonna lie..- A Gen Z

  • @Sylkis89
    @Sylkis89 2 дні тому

    You absolutely can study electric guitar at the uni. There's been a lot of rubbish said before that as well but at this point I stopped watching to make this comment, give a thumbs down, and move away from the video. Reeks of pseudointellectual snobbism whilst you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

  • @DeutschlandGuy
    @DeutschlandGuy 3 дні тому

    You lost me with "all" in the tag line. "All" rarely happens, if ever. I expected more from Tonebase.

  • @rigelloar7474
    @rigelloar7474 3 дні тому

    Awesome ! Maestro Segovia, with a surrogate wiener guitar !