A drug court judge I met visited the consumption rooms in Switzerland ... and thought they were a good idea ... partly as young people saw the sad individuals using them ... and it acted as a form of deterrent to drug use
Drug dealers keep police and the nhs paid, there is more incentive to keep these people sick, that way even none profits organisations being given money by tax payers also get to make money. Let’s also not forget people who overdose in these places can be sued. And your right it’s sick
I feel so sorry for these addicts. Addiction is an awful illness and should be treated with humanity and compassion. We expect society to treat people for cancer and orher illnesses: this is no different whatsoever. People fall into addiction through no fault of their own: trauma, housing issues, poor education, undiagnosed neurodivergence - lots of reasons. These drug rooms aren't a panacaea, but are a step in the right direction. Plus it keeps the drug litter away from other people. Being horrible about addicts is unhelpful. Either commenters are more fortunate anyway, or have legal addictions. Everyone is addicted to something.
Compassion and empathy should be the starting points. Do you think it's magic that makes Norway the lowest reoffending nations of crime in the world? Offer understanding, take them off the street to safe places and support to get off of the drugs. Stop demonizing, start supporting and compassionately intervening.
Do you work in the drug rehabilitation industry? You can’t take something that works somewhere else and think magically it will work . Norway has a large social net funded by the tax from their mineral resources. The U.K. doesn’t have that luxury. Also every country has its own psychological makeup. I think lots of drug problems come hand in hand with mental health problems. I can understand that you can try and help those people if they are in a consumption room, if they can even see they are suffering. I think in the U.K. we really need to be focusing on criminals and dealers all the way up the chain. We need more prisons before we even start thinking about consumption rooms in the rest of the country. In the back of my mind I think if it would be rolled out for the rest of the country, it would be more like hiding the problem from the public than trying to solve the problem.
@Bungle-UK But showing compassion to those addicted to opiates and other substances would create less crime. There would be fewer thefts and robberies if drug services took users in to use, including diamorphine assisted treatment. That benefits everybody.
I really wish people would stop ignorantly quoting Norway as some kind of safe haven paradise that we should all strive to be like. Clearly you've never been to Norway.
@@Skygrey2943 Heroin addiction is a smaller problem than the news coverage would suggest. The biggest driver of crime is crack addiction. The problem is most people using heroin will say that is their addiction and they only use crack and are not addicted. Heroin is a physical addiction, the mental addiction of crack is with you for the rest of your life. You can show an ex addict a picture of someone using crack and areas of the brain light up like a Christmas tree. If opiates were as addictive to a brain that has not suffered trauma or mental health problems. Everyone that has ever had an operation would leave hospital as an addict.
@@peterwillson1355 they actually do NHS has paid for pilot schemes for tobacco addiction in Scotland 🏴 they actually paid people through boots pharmacies for about a decade.
@@PeppermintPatties no they are allowing users to take there own supply initially. It’s actually a criminal offence to enable & provide this is Scotland. Drugs haven’t been decriminalised here. The idea is to prove the need for pharmaceuticals grade cocaine & heroin. It will take 2 years for them to gather enough data.
With the Membership Card you have become an Ambassador of the industry , and every Ambassador are allowed to receive 5000$ every 2weeks and with access to the industry Code ... And I think that can also be of help too
When people are hooked on a substance as addictive as heroin or crack they're not going to be put off using it by getting arrested. At least if they do it in one of these centers they won't be at risk of HIV, and it puts them in contact with people who can offer them treatment.
3:01 they've been coming there since their late teens 😂 (look about fifty) 3:52 they can go into treatment 😂. I doubt if any of them do. Best just tighter drug control and let them do without
Channel 4 needs to come of mainstream not fit for purpose and more fake news than any kind of news, the only drama you will get is old and repeated any news will be with an agenda behind it.
Are we supposed to feel sorry for wasters who through their own actions have destroyed their lives ? Let's concentrate more on positive people putting one foot in front of the other and contributing to life.
If we can help these people we reduce crime, improve community health and increase the amount of "positive people", as you put it. Common sense would help you see the clear benefit.
This benefits everyone. It gets users off the street to a place where they won't be at risk of contracting HIV, where they can be resuscitated and where they can speak to people about getting treatment. For the rest of us it stops used needles and other waste being left around and reduces the spread of blood-borne diseases in the community.
A drug court judge I met visited the consumption rooms in Switzerland ... and thought they were a good idea ... partly as young people saw the sad individuals using them ... and it acted as a form of deterrent to drug use
Drug dealers walk around like local celebrities.
This is so many levels of wrong.
Shocking.
Drug dealers keep police and the nhs paid, there is more incentive to keep these people sick, that way even none profits organisations being given money by tax payers also get to make money. Let’s also not forget people who overdose in these places can be sued. And your right it’s sick
I feel so sorry for these addicts.
Addiction is an awful illness and should be treated with humanity and compassion.
We expect society to treat people for cancer and orher illnesses: this is no different whatsoever.
People fall into addiction through no fault of their own: trauma, housing issues, poor education, undiagnosed neurodivergence - lots of reasons.
These drug rooms aren't a panacaea, but are a step in the right direction.
Plus it keeps the drug litter away from other people.
Being horrible about addicts is unhelpful. Either commenters are more fortunate anyway, or have legal addictions. Everyone is addicted to something.
Compassion and empathy should be the starting points.
Do you think it's magic that makes Norway the lowest reoffending nations of crime in the world?
Offer understanding, take them off the street to safe places and support to get off of the drugs.
Stop demonizing, start supporting and compassionately intervening.
Do you work in the drug rehabilitation industry?
You can’t take something that works somewhere else and think magically it will work . Norway has a large social net funded by the tax from their mineral resources. The U.K. doesn’t have that luxury. Also every country has its own psychological makeup.
I think lots of drug problems come hand in hand with mental health problems. I can understand that you can try and help those people if they are in a consumption room, if they can even see they are suffering.
I think in the U.K. we really need to be focusing on criminals and dealers all the way up the chain. We need more prisons before we even start thinking about consumption rooms in the rest of the country. In the back of my mind I think if it would be rolled out for the rest of the country, it would be more like hiding the problem from the public than trying to solve the problem.
Which other criminals do you want to show compassion to? The law is the law and they should be prosecuted.
@Bungle-UK But showing compassion to those addicted to opiates and other substances would create less crime. There would be fewer thefts and robberies if drug services took users in to use, including diamorphine assisted treatment. That benefits everybody.
I really wish people would stop ignorantly quoting Norway as some kind of safe haven paradise that we should all strive to be like. Clearly you've never been to Norway.
@@Skygrey2943 Heroin addiction is a smaller problem than the news coverage would suggest. The biggest driver of crime is crack addiction. The problem is most people using heroin will say that is their addiction and they only use crack and are not addicted. Heroin is a physical addiction, the mental addiction of crack is with you for the rest of your life. You can show an ex addict a picture of someone using crack and areas of the brain light up like a Christmas tree.
If opiates were as addictive to a brain that has not suffered trauma or mental health problems. Everyone that has ever had an operation would leave hospital as an addict.
Very sad , it is everywhere now in every city .
Legalise, empathise, decriminalise- Britain is old fashioned and backward we need to be progressive legalise weed and use non-custodial means
Do they help people who have a problem with tobacco or alcohol? Will.they supply free stuff?
No, you get taxed extra for those addictions...
Yes they supply pharmaceutical cocaine & heroin. The equipment has been freely available for decades.
No, because these drugs are legal.
@@peterwillson1355 they actually do NHS has paid for pilot schemes for tobacco addiction in Scotland 🏴 they actually paid people through boots pharmacies for about a decade.
@@PeppermintPatties no they are allowing users to take there own supply initially. It’s actually a criminal offence to enable & provide this is Scotland. Drugs haven’t been decriminalised here. The idea is to prove the need for pharmaceuticals grade cocaine & heroin. It will take 2 years for them to gather enough data.
They tried this in california and canada
All it did was raise the drug crime
Not true at all it lowered drug deaths legalizing drugs and making them free would lower crime
With the Membership Card you have become an Ambassador of the industry , and every Ambassador are allowed to receive 5000$ every 2weeks and with access to the industry Code ... And I think that can also be of help too
Enforcing the law would be a good start, not indulging junkies.
Very humane input
The decades long "war on drugs" proved how ineffective and costly that is.
When people are hooked on a substance as addictive as heroin or crack they're not going to be put off using it by getting arrested. At least if they do it in one of these centers they won't be at risk of HIV, and it puts them in contact with people who can offer them treatment.
dark side .. 😢😢😢
Honestly a waste of money, the men here said theyve been coming here since they were kids so its not working they still crackheads
They're off the streets for a start. As someone who lives on a council estate troubled by smackheads, I can tell you that's a big plus.
At the very least they're not at risk of spreading HIV, and are able to be resuscitated more easily.
Yes...but at least they're still alive. X
3:01 they've been coming there since their late teens 😂 (look about fifty) 3:52 they can go into treatment 😂. I doubt if any of them do. Best just tighter drug control and let them do without
That won’t work . Decriminalise it
It'd cost more to tighten control and all that does is create more crime.
@@SuperGreen36 no we don't want druggies everywhere
@@django3422 bullets don't cost much
Channel 4 needs to come of mainstream not fit for purpose and more fake news than any kind of news, the only drama you will get is old and repeated any news will be with an agenda behind it.
Look at actual statistics instead of ur bullshit purgative
Totally agree - just look at the pitiful views they get for an organization in such a priviliged position.
Are we supposed to feel sorry for wasters who through their own actions have destroyed their lives ? Let's concentrate more on positive people putting one foot in front of the other and contributing to life.
If we can help these people we reduce crime, improve community health and increase the amount of "positive people", as you put it.
Common sense would help you see the clear benefit.
So when you go down that route there is no turning their lives around? 🙄
This benefits everyone. It gets users off the street to a place where they won't be at risk of contracting HIV, where they can be resuscitated and where they can speak to people about getting treatment. For the rest of us it stops used needles and other waste being left around and reduces the spread of blood-borne diseases in the community.