An anti-hero of one's own - Tim Adams

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  • Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
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    How can an anti-hero teach us about the heroic--and sometimes,the unheroic--characteristics that shape a story's protagonist? From jealousy to self-doubt, Tim Adams challenges us to consider how anti-heroes reflect the very mortal weaknesses that can be found within all of us.
    Lesson by Tim Adams, animation by Wood Goblin Studios.

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  • @engineerengifar5713
    @engineerengifar5713 8 років тому +1077

    This is more of a description of the "dystopian society" story.

    • @tylerourada9719
      @tylerourada9719 8 років тому +23

      +Kommunist Megalope exactly. heck I can think of quite a few anti-hero stories, that not only don't fallow this story at all, but actually have more in common with the heroes journey (The Walking Dead, The Last Of Us, Breaking Bad)

    • @williamjackson460
      @williamjackson460 5 років тому +1

      Yeah

    • @alexisalidis9037
      @alexisalidis9037 4 роки тому +1

      He used they society thing as a example dude guy

    • @midimusicforever
      @midimusicforever 4 роки тому +1

      Not really, he just used examples from such stories.

  • @seonaxus
    @seonaxus 8 років тому +2171

    This presents a very narrow view of the anti hero, for starters it presents only one scenario for an anti hero to rise in, and then allows only for one very restrictive model for the anti hero when in fact an anti hero is a much more general term than applied here and means simply a protagonist who does not posses the qualities we would usually expect of a hero. Sometimes they may well be downright villainous, for example Artemis Fowl in the Irish young adult novels of the same name.

    • @gianni206
      @gianni206 8 років тому +29

      +Árón de Siún I had the same thing in mind

    • @zumzoz7245
      @zumzoz7245 8 років тому +17

      Walter White

    • @seonaxus
      @seonaxus 8 років тому +21

      ***** My childhood :) He was so cool, and so evil! The first one was also the first book I read in Irish.

    • @libbybollinger5901
      @libbybollinger5901 8 років тому +7

      +Árón de Siún tbf he did become much less evil as time went on

    • @seonaxus
      @seonaxus 8 років тому +18

      Libby Bollinger Granted, but he was never a traditional "hero", and he was also never the character described above.

  • @augmenautus
    @augmenautus 9 років тому +724

    There are two definitions of the anti hero and I am not sure the video fits either one. The older definition is a hero who doesn't possess the things that make heroes good at being heroes like bravery, skill, luck, wisdom etc. This may or may not cause him to fail in his quest. The newer definition is a hero who doesn't have the aesthetics or motives that make a hero heroic. A hero may be a knight in shining armor then our anti hero will wear black armor. A hero fights to help people. An anti hero fights for money or fame. A hero believes in the power of friendship while the anti hero is a lone wolf.

    • @akashramola1639
      @akashramola1639 8 років тому +9

      +augmenautus rex thanks 10000% true mannn thanks for fixin my mood

    • @KikomochiMendoza
      @KikomochiMendoza 8 років тому +7

      +Marcus R. Your profile pic is the exact anti-hero i was thinking off. A guy who was bad to the bone to begin with and revels at chaos and anti-authoritarianism, who was then forced to conform to society through torture. He does not fight the system because the system is wrong or unjust but for the lulz.

    • @SilverYPheonix
      @SilverYPheonix 8 років тому +17

      Also, a hero that fights all willingly for the people, but is rejected by the very people he had decided to protect.

    • @ethanadams8109
      @ethanadams8109 7 років тому +15

      so... Deadpool...

    • @cianreal
      @cianreal 7 років тому +7

      +CrossBorderFire Oh yes, certainly. Joan of Arc is a great historical example. She fought for France, but the citizens betrayed her anyway. I believe Watchmen is a great fictional example. The actions and motives for the characters can be seen as villainous to others yet justified by good intentions or behaviors that can be seen as heroic.

  • @lisazoria2709
    @lisazoria2709 8 років тому +627

    This video presented an oddly limited view of the antihero, but I did enjoy reading comments and peoples' differing opinions of what makes an antihero. Antiheroes are more varied and complex than this vid would have you believe. (Why the focus on dystopian fiction?)
    Broadly speaking, antiheroes are protagonists with qualities not typically thought of as "heroic". Maybe they are selfish or greedy, maybe their methods are especially ruthless and manipulative, or maybe their appearance is dark and imposing. Whatever it is, they're not your typical hero (a la Superman) but usually end up saving the day in one way or another, and muster up enough good deeds to be called a hero.

    • @agrumbler2872
      @agrumbler2872 8 років тому +7

      A good example is Frank Miller's Batman in DKR

    • @arieloliver3219
      @arieloliver3219 4 роки тому +3

      think you are the one that have a narrow view about the topic. This is the original concept of antihero, your point of discussion is based on the concept of morality is an objective concept instead of a subjective concept.

    • @sambrooks8461
      @sambrooks8461 4 роки тому +4

      Some good examples are Deadpool, Beetlejuice, Judge Dredd, Walter White, Agent 47 and Kratos, to name a few.

    • @dgcfgvvgb6555
      @dgcfgvvgb6555 4 роки тому +7

      @@arieloliver3219 no, the original definition of the anti hero was not limited to dystopian future protagonists.
      edit: also, you probably shouldn't copy and paste what you wrote in the replies of every comment you disagree with, as they are saying different things so your reply doesn't make sense.

    • @bunnymike9546
      @bunnymike9546 4 роки тому +1

      Severus, where is thee

  • @sataniccinnabun7980
    @sataniccinnabun7980 7 років тому +196

    That plot-line he described was the exact plot of the Lego movie.

    • @6pades
      @6pades 7 років тому +9

      I was thinking the exact same thing

    • @poweroffriendship2.0
      @poweroffriendship2.0 5 років тому +14

      Except Emmet is'nt an anti-hero either. He's more of an everyman unlike Winston from 1984.

    • @usurpererenyeager649
      @usurpererenyeager649 4 роки тому +2

      👌👌🏻👌🏼👌🏽👌🏾👌🏿

    • @thoughtsofme8928
      @thoughtsofme8928 4 роки тому +3

      Just reading everyone’s definition of an anti hero and then I found this 🤣🤣🤣

    • @wesleyburton5684
      @wesleyburton5684 4 роки тому +2

      Satanic Cinnabun which ripped off the Matrix

  • @juanmanuelpenaloza9264
    @juanmanuelpenaloza9264 7 років тому +317

    I think they confused Tragic Hero to Anti-hero.

    • @MrAWESOMUS
      @MrAWESOMUS 7 років тому +18

      Yeah. Daniel Plaineview doesn't fit there, nor does Lou Bloom, or V. They're not Anti-heroes because they rebel, they're anti-heroes because we sympathize with them and they aren't conventionally good. Lou Bloom, for example, is a straight-up psychopath who coerces women into sex and has his partner killed for asking for a raise, but the story is still told from his perspective.

  • @TodayLifeIsGoood
    @TodayLifeIsGoood 9 років тому +157

    Once upon a time, I was a soldier. During that time, a boy once came to me and told me he knew what I as doing. He believed soldiers would fight monsters, terrifying creatures that prey upon humanity. I was speechless, not because a little boy would think that soldiers fight monsters, but because of the shock that I was the one that had to take this young boy's illusion and replace it with grim fact. With a heavy heart I told him that there are no monsters, only humans and that soldiers fight to protect people like him from people that would do them harm. I even begged his forgiveness and told him that I too wish that I would fight actual monsters rather than my fellow man.

    • @poweroffriendship2.0
      @poweroffriendship2.0 5 років тому +14

      Perfect story 10/10

    • @sean5558
      @sean5558 3 роки тому +1

      What grade did you get when you submitted this intro for creative a writing class ?

    • @TodayLifeIsGoood
      @TodayLifeIsGoood 3 роки тому +13

      @@sean5558 Believe it or not, it is the truth. Real life tops fiction every single day. I could not have made this up if I wanted to and I am trying to be a writer, I wish I could make stuff like that up at will.

  • @limerence8365
    @limerence8365 4 роки тому +25

    "The best way to get an answer from the internet is to present an incorrect version of it"
    Socrates 500 BC.

    • @electroshock1021
      @electroshock1021 4 роки тому

      But internet didn't exist in 500 BC and Socrates never said that

  • @tiajoseph7309
    @tiajoseph7309 8 років тому +608

    To put things strait, the anti-hero is a much more edgier version of a real hero.

  • @nicholasinzunza8887
    @nicholasinzunza8887 8 років тому +263

    I thought an anti-hero was the main character we're rooting for, or don't have to root for, that does things a villain would do. Ex: Walter White, he is the main character, but does villainous actions like murder and breaking the law. Some root for him and some don't.

    • @jamiealexandermiller
      @jamiealexandermiller 8 років тому +28

      +Nicholas Inzunza that is what a anti-hero is. this guy is just completely wrong

    • @nicholasinzunza8887
      @nicholasinzunza8887 8 років тому +2

      Haha, thanks

    • @dracocrusher
      @dracocrusher 8 років тому +49

      +Nicholas Inzunza
      There's different definitions of an anti-hero but, generally, an anti-hero is a catch-all term for any main character that is fundamentally flawed or has unheroic traits. Generally, someone that doesn't fit the typical hero architype that the audience isn't necessarily supposed to identify with or idolize and the definition has changed time and time again throughout history.
      So you're both completely right, they're all anti-heroes and they're both correct definitions. They're just different kinds of anti-heroes that approach being an atypical hero in much different ways.

    • @Not_actually_a_commie
      @Not_actually_a_commie 8 років тому +10

      +Jamie Miller +Nicholas Inzunza An anti-hero, like he says is someone who is flawed, but is not the "villain". A protagonist is the main character. They don't have to be good or bad.
      You're right in saying that Walter White is an anti-hero, but the guy in the video isn't wrong. What you're describing is the protagonist.

    • @jamiealexandermiller
      @jamiealexandermiller 8 років тому +5

      Ace of Spades but an antihero is not the villain, just a person who is not necessarily a hero but still sometimes does good. The protagonist is just the main character, and while they don't have to be good or bad, the actual definition is the main character while a antihero does not have to be the protagonist.

  • @SGM-nb6re
    @SGM-nb6re 10 років тому +48

    While I agree with some of this, I do think that this didn't justify what a true Anti-Hero is. An anti-hero is someone who goes against the typical hero formula. They're normally selfish, dark, and pursue violence rather than avoid it. They care little for others, and don't really do something for the good of society. Again, that's not to say that this isn't accurate, but I just feel like they didn't explain fully what an anti-hero is.

    • @laprechaun12
      @laprechaun12 9 років тому +1

      I get confused :(

    • @JAKphoenixify
      @JAKphoenixify 9 років тому +1

      laprechaun12 think punisher (Frank Castle) from marvel

    • @DarkAngelEU
      @DarkAngelEU 9 років тому +6

      Lee Foxx This video only explains the path of the Anti-hero, not their intent, history nor character. I do agree with you though, but I can't seem to call ANY antihero that doesn't start out like this. Even normal heroes can be selfish, that's what the whole story is about. To become a selfless person, to care for the common good and to defeat evil even if that means sacrificing oneself.
      I dunno about you, but to me Anakin Skywalker is the perfect antihero and he even starts out good. He simply failed the trials and became bad, but in the end he's still the one that saves the day

  • @Tomzupp
    @Tomzupp 4 роки тому +18

    To put things even more straight -- an antihero is a realistic hero. And a hero is a romanticized version of a realistic hero.

  • @AceRasputin
    @AceRasputin 7 років тому +101

    Anti-heroes are okay, but my favorite are Villain Protagonists.

    • @AceRasputin
      @AceRasputin 7 років тому +6

      ***** Well, no, they aren't.

    • @AceRasputin
      @AceRasputin 7 років тому +3

      ***** Villain protagonists aren't heroes, at least not usually, ergo not an anti hero, by tour on definition. Protagonist does not mean hero. I suppose you could argue that the protagonist is the "hero of the story" in some philosophical sense, but they aren't, really. Sometimes they're opposed by people who are clearly the "good guy." Villain protagonists aren't even always shown in a sympathetic way. I suppose it's possible for an anti hero to be the main villain of the story, but generally speaking, no. In addition, anti heroes are generally a "lower rung" on the ladder of moral reprehensibleness.

    • @AceRasputin
      @AceRasputin 7 років тому +1

      I suppose under the very broadest definitions it would be true, but on a matter of scale, they are entirely different concepts.

    • @AceRasputin
      @AceRasputin 7 років тому +2

      ***** Well, if you mean that every major character who isn't explicitly a traditional hero is a anti-hero, then yes, you'd be right, but you're not getting what an anti-hero _is_. Listen, I see where you're confused. The thing is, which you don't seem to get, is that the anti-hero is still the hero, they just go about things differently or sometimes for different reasons. Anti-heroes still has opponents who are villains. So are villains in your eyes...anti-anti-heroes? I'd recommend this for some types of anti-heroes, tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Analysis/AntiHero See, even if you're a complete sociopath who murders people, and you fight on the side of good, i.e. Deadpool etc, you're not the villain.

    • @danyaelmalik2641
      @danyaelmalik2641 7 років тому +2

      +Caleb Pelethite What about A Clockwork Orange's Alex? He's identified among the major literary anti-heroes. I get what you mean about the villain protagonist thing but that is quite simply semantics. A protagonist is a main character while an antagonist opposes a protagonist's progress. That is the absolute base of any story. You are correct in that some anti-heroes do not go about saving the day in the puritanical sense but the range at which they can stray from traditional heroism is quite infinite, therefore a villain protagonist, for terminology if nothing else, would still fall under that category.

  • @Daniel-dz2ie
    @Daniel-dz2ie 8 років тому +251

    But Gilgamesh, the very first hero of literature wasn't a hero, he was more an anti-hero

    • @mrpg_55
      @mrpg_55 8 років тому +11

      I had the same thought

    • @orionwilder7786
      @orionwilder7786 8 років тому +14

      +Lord RedSky True, but what of simply spoken heroes? Those passed down though stories told and not written. The ones who's names are whispered into the scared child's ear by a loving parent?

    • @disastergirl888
      @disastergirl888 7 років тому +11

      Can we be sure that was how the ancient Sumerian people would have seen him though? Perhaps our respective cultural values are so different we can't recognise Gilgamesh for what he's meant to be.

    • @mrpg_55
      @mrpg_55 7 років тому +24

      +disastergirl888 If Gilgamesh wasn't viewed as an anti-hero the story wouldn't make much sense. It starts of with him being a tyrant who puts himself before his subjects. He only seeks out monsters to fight to add to his own glory, and doesn't think of the consequences and the impact it will have on his people. Almost all of his actions are selfish until the very end of the story, when he realizes he has been a bad king and starts to put his people before himself. Why would the Sumerians craft a story about this kind of transformation if they didn't believe Gilgamesh's initial state was a bad one? They made the story to show how being selfish is wrong, and Gilgamesh embodied that selfishness.

    • @disastergirl888
      @disastergirl888 7 років тому +3

      Mr.RPGamer Fair enough, I've only read halfway through the Gilgamesh epic, I didn't know he reformed in the end. But more generally, a lot of ancient stories contain protagonists who are portrayed as noble and heroic who act in ways that modern readers would find highly dubious. Like Joshua in the Old Testament, who happily slaughters tens of thousands of people, or Odysseus, who expects his wife to be faithful to him for a dozen years yet is quite happy to have an affair with Circe while stranded on her island. Or, one of the most jarring, the way Lot is supposed to be a virtuous hero because he offers to throw his daughters out to be raped by an angry mob. The Gilgamesh story might well be an example of when modern and ancient morality agree (which isn't that surprising as we're all the same species after all) but there are plenty of times when they really don't.

  • @shradhasood5750
    @shradhasood5750 4 роки тому +2

    I am always in awe of the content you create. An undiscovered theme, a telling narrative and amazing graphics!
    There is so much to that can be conveyed with a story well told.

  • @joshgarcia9901
    @joshgarcia9901 8 років тому +720

    Light Yagami.

    • @staticshotaop561
      @staticshotaop561 7 років тому +31

      Jayy Gee light yagami did nothing wrong

    • @gingerjohn7859
      @gingerjohn7859 7 років тому +17

      Wtf! I just breathed his name under my breath while watching this and lo and behold!

    • @gimmerqueen
      @gimmerqueen 7 років тому +10

      Shinji Ikari is also probably on that list

    • @reziahangelicafamorcan4880
      @reziahangelicafamorcan4880 7 років тому +38

      I feel like he's more of a Villain Protagonist.

    • @oldngone222
      @oldngone222 6 років тому

      Jayy Gee RIGHT DEADASS FOREAL

  • @ohahilo3574
    @ohahilo3574 9 років тому +112

    Very interesting… however, I think the outcome of the anti-hero is far too limited then what you suggest here. It seems that while the hero is selfless, powerful and willing to take on challenges to promote positive change for the good of society. In contrast, the anti-hero is selfish, mostly powerless and aware that the system cannot be changed or that society is to apathetic/corrupt and so not worth saving. Therefore, the anti-hero is adopts the role of the rouge. Rather than saving others or society from the tyranny of the system, he focuses on his own gain. He is not a villain because his code will not allow him to harm the innocent but he is not above exploiting circumstances for his own advantage. To quote one of the most famous anti-heroes of all time, “Look your worshipfulness, let’s get one thing straight. I’m not in this for your revolution and I’m not in this for you. I expect to be well paid. I’m in it for the money.”

    • @alexr6705
      @alexr6705 8 років тому +2

      Example, tarboy. Look it up on youtube

    • @lisazoria2709
      @lisazoria2709 8 років тому +1

      +Rtkts
      I think of Walter White as more of a villain protagonist... (who started out as an anti-hero).

    • @lualejo2015
      @lualejo2015 6 років тому +1

      That is a very nice quote. Did you come up with it?

    • @fishfishrun1207
      @fishfishrun1207 3 роки тому +1

      Rtkts I don’t think that’s right. I think a protagonist doesn’t have to be a hero. The protagonist is the main character of your story by definition.
      So what he believes in determines if he’s a villain or not. If he is a villain he can still be a protagonist. And anti hero I believe is the grey area In-Between.
      Doing it for the good of your heart doesn’t make sense for an anti hero.

    • @ispeakforthetrees69
      @ispeakforthetrees69 3 роки тому

      You just described Severus

  • @bigweirdo9947
    @bigweirdo9947 8 років тому +22

    Funny. I've always been taught (and read from reliable authors) that an anti-hero was simply a protagonist who lacked heroic traits. I didn't realize that he had to be a direct rip-off of the protagonists of 1984 and Fahrenheit 451.

  • @iamyourfalsegod
    @iamyourfalsegod 11 років тому +4

    The Anit-Hero is one of my favorite character types. It tends to lend a darkness to a story, which I very much enjoy.

  • @Betito1171
    @Betito1171 7 років тому +52

    I'm surprised by the lack of deadpool mentions in the comments

    • @bijayapokharel730
      @bijayapokharel730 3 роки тому

      Cuz there are mention better then him
      You have so much to watch😂 best of luck in your journey

  • @TranscendentLion
    @TranscendentLion 10 років тому +75

    Great points, but I think you've used too narrow a definition of antihero. I would define an antihero as someone who is a villain in theory, but a hero in practice. Whereas the hero may traditionally be kind and compassionate, the antihero may be more cruel and manipulative, and will probably use immoral means to achieve a moral end.

    • @James-sk4db
      @James-sk4db 10 років тому +2

      Even then antiheroes such as "Flashman" from George McDonald Fraser's books, can be just bad or crude people but who the reader still roots for yet not really have any goal or morals, other than in this case survival.

    • @carlwane540
      @carlwane540 10 років тому +1

      i knew there was something a bit off about this one

    • @lagubaratterbaru6205
      @lagubaratterbaru6205 10 років тому +2

      That sounds more like a "dark hero" - Batman, etc.
      An Anti-Hero by etymological definition is anti-heroic, not opposite or opposing heroism.
      An anti-villain would be someone evil, but incapable, a fool or jester seeking power but ultimately incapable of achieving their goals on their own. The "idiot-villain" is a popular one.

    • @TranscendentLion
      @TranscendentLion 10 років тому +2

      Hm, when you mention Batman, I think a dark hero could be someone who has gone through a lot, but has stayed good. That is, they could have gone bad, but they haven't. Batman is still fairly traditional good (admittedly, it's his alter ego who I'm about to cite, but his company donates to good causes and all that), even though his experiences could have turned him into a villain.
      Anti-villains are an interesting one - it seems to me that they may often be very close to anti-heroes on the 'hero-to-villain' spectrum.

    • @laurastacey683
      @laurastacey683 10 років тому +1

      Anti-heroes can be anyone who's repulsive in some way as a hero. Being an asshat would be one way, or an idiot, or having some sort of terrible vice, or being automatically in a position that makes you threatening to the people the audience would automatically be rooting for. It's difficult to make this person likeable to the audience, but can be done. I think the best example of an anti-hero is Homer Simpson. The trick is to make the audience feel initially, that this is such a terrible guy, and then make them realize that at least in a few ways, he's pretty similar to themselves. Examples off the top of my head: Artemis Fowl, R the zombie, Wanda (Wanderer), or Dexter Morgan. Yeah, I'm into some pretty classy literature.

  • @Sarkhamy
    @Sarkhamy 10 років тому +113

    I don't like this because it only looks at antiheroes through the light of dystopian stories.

  • @Littlecat3100
    @Littlecat3100 8 років тому +49

    Where are all the deadpool comments? That man is the most anti-hero I have ever seen.

    • @oliverhanson2435
      @oliverhanson2435 8 років тому +4

      for me its Rorschach

    • @squigglylines420
      @squigglylines420 8 років тому +6

      but this was uploaded in 2012...so..

    • @damiangrey4651
      @damiangrey4651 7 років тому +6

      Rorschach is my favorite anti-hero 4ever, but the most anti-hero of all time is Lucifer

    • @ohnospaghetti-o6123
      @ohnospaghetti-o6123 7 років тому +1

      Damian Grey wrong, the most anti hero is Shrek

    • @GunsAndRoses871
      @GunsAndRoses871 6 років тому +2

      Littlecat3100 light yagami

  • @vincentsquest9375
    @vincentsquest9375 10 років тому +4

    I always love the song demons. It reminds us of our self's acceptance the an anti-hero resides in all of us.

  • @blackdiamondltd_jack
    @blackdiamondltd_jack 6 років тому +3

    1:34 was that a Tron reference? Amazing

  • @TooMuchThought
    @TooMuchThought 7 років тому +10

    Two things: The first, heroes were not flawless. Heracles was easily enraged and mortal. Gilgamesh was a very strong, but very flawed character.
    Second: this is more of a doomed to fail hero not an anti-hero and an anti-hero is one who does hero like things, but either not for the right reasons and/or not by righteous means.

  • @melanierothschild
    @melanierothschild 11 років тому

    If a picture is worth 1,000 words, then 4:11 minutes of an insightful and stunningly crafted message is priceless!

  • @MightyxRay-Forevermore
    @MightyxRay-Forevermore 11 років тому +1

    TED- Thank You for giving great insight on what is an Anti-hero and what systems we create do to our storytelling. This was very great for me to understand what an Anti-hero is and I would keep it in mind the next time I am planning to create a story of my own.

  • @TheThreatenedSwan
    @TheThreatenedSwan 10 років тому +8

    Nope, old, demi-god heroes, or those that achieved imortality, usually had major character flaws that would be fatal for mere mortals. Many old stories are like guides of what to do and what not to do, but the action of the hero ends up without negative consequences, although many stories do show these almost immortal characters dying by their flaws (Achilles, Ajax...).

  • @natalietanner1515
    @natalietanner1515 8 років тому +50

    Code Geass; Lelouch vi Britannia

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 8 років тому +1

      +Natalie Tanner Lelouch is a Byronic hero.

  • @joshuaoha
    @joshuaoha 11 років тому +1

    That is a beautiful piece. Well done Tim Adams.

  • @50911211
    @50911211 11 років тому

    I finished reading 1984 yesterday and it's awesome that they referenced it in this video. Also, this is my new favorite TedEd video!

  • @ZetaAdele
    @ZetaAdele 10 років тому +27

    Well done lecture, but Macbeth is not a hero, nor the anti-hero. Macbeth IS our protagonist, he is our main character, but it is not him we root for. Macduff is our hero, he is the antagonist, but it is him who we want to win and he who does.

    • @zabtesler
      @zabtesler 7 років тому +5

      Technically, Macbeth is a tragic hero.
      And we only start to root for Macduff because we watch Macbeth fall from grace, that being an important characteristic of tragic heroes.

  • @balamugunthbalaji8110
    @balamugunthbalaji8110 4 роки тому +3

    In "THE BOYS" tv series on amazon/prime tv, the main character's kinda like a combination between the unlikely hero and the anti hero

  • @scratchisme
    @scratchisme 11 років тому

    That was fantastic and insightful. I didn't even realize that so many of my favorite books had similar threads.

  • @Thoughtknot99
    @Thoughtknot99 11 років тому

    Exactly. Thank you for clarifying. Seems like many are more familiar with the latter.

  • @travistrombley9788
    @travistrombley9788 10 років тому +12

    Seems to me very limited view of the anti hero based on YA literature's current fascination with the dystopian genre.

    • @Thoughtknot99
      @Thoughtknot99 9 років тому +5

      Not based on YA lit or modern examples but on a fairly standard and older definition. A lot of comments that I see posted here have a more recent kind of "hero" or main character in mind, sort of a mashup of the flawed hero, unlikely hero, and even some villain. Many readers just haven't encountered this definition and examples of it, that's all.

  • @msk-qp6fn
    @msk-qp6fn 4 роки тому +6

    This is just a type of antihero and it seems and a very modern type too that emerged with dystopian novels. Classically a hero, not the protagonist mind you, is a being that typically has immense confidence and strengths/combat abilities) to do great things, regardless of moral righteousness, which is why the heroes in ancient Greek myths and Beowulf aren't exactly the best when it comes to morals but are still considered heroes. This is also why Odysseus was considered an antihero in the classical sense as he used his wits and intelligence instead of strength or fighting skills. A classical example of a modern antihero in the classical sense is Spiderman due to his lack of confidence and humble origin. In modern society's perception, an antihero is often a person who does heroic deeds via not so heroic methods or a person who does heroic deeds not necessarily for a good reason. Thought what is heroic may be vague at times, in this sense, most of the Batfamily is comprised of antiheroes. Bakugo from My Hero Academia can also be considered an antihero in a modern sense due to his somewhat lack of morals, history of bullying, and his motive for wanting to become a Hero.

  • @Blackjack-qs8pr
    @Blackjack-qs8pr 4 роки тому +2

    that was OUTSTANDING !!! I always loved anti-heroes stories because they are more relative to our society......many people must watch this and understand that they are the mentally cruel monsters.

  • @TheSalamandrin
    @TheSalamandrin 10 років тому

    I love the visual references to Plato's Allegory Of The Cave. It's an interesting comparison; The heroic journey of the anti-hero as presented mirrors the narrative of the allegory.

  • @bobisaball
    @bobisaball 8 років тому +5

    Joel from the last of us is a good example of an antihero

  • @zsupersaiyan
    @zsupersaiyan 8 років тому +20

    Is Johnny English an antihero? ;)

    • @3numa3llis
      @3numa3llis 8 років тому +3

      +zsupersaiyan Good one

    • @noelic6744
      @noelic6744 8 років тому +9

      No, he's just an idiot.

    • @harishj2932
      @harishj2932 4 роки тому

      @@noelic6744 No he isn't

  • @akiiame
    @akiiame 4 роки тому

    Jeezus without background music, this is sorta scary
    but awesome, learned something new today

  • @TheBloodyloon
    @TheBloodyloon 11 років тому

    The best one so far!

  • @katireei7761
    @katireei7761 7 років тому +6

    Antigone is the most known ancient antiheroine of all time...

  • @tylerourada9719
    @tylerourada9719 8 років тому +11

    while this definition of an anti-hero is technically true, I must say, I don't really agree with how it was described. I always thought of an anti-hero as a protagonist who is morally grey, and blurs the line of good and evil. Someone like Rick Grimes or Joel (from The Last Of Us) or Alex Mercer , would be examples of anti-heroes, and none of them fight an oppressive government. Rick and Joel fight for survival, not independence (hell you could almost argue that in many cases Rick Grimes is the one doing the oppressing) and Alex Mercer is basically a wild animal who fights whoever he damn well pleases, because he feels like it. Then you have a guy like Kratos, who is not physically week, or flawed at all, but he's an anti-hero because he's a HUGE DICK. While the definition in the video is technically correct, they are over simplifying what may be one of the most interesting concepts in fiction.

  • @colindeng0
    @colindeng0 8 років тому +1

    This fits the description of Winston in 1984 VERY well.

  • @Toolgirl64209
    @Toolgirl64209 4 роки тому +2

    An anti hero is a hero who does things heroic, such as defeating the monsters, but also shows traits of a villain, such as cowardice, or manipulation, IMO

  • @diegoecheverria8553
    @diegoecheverria8553 10 років тому +11

    wow this is so deep

    • @endlife2k2
      @endlife2k2 10 років тому

      i dont get it, help me. Write what you got from it

    • @danielgrudzinski9806
      @danielgrudzinski9806 10 років тому +3

      Kenny Bell i think its like, the heroes does not exist. They were given to us, to let us think that the great evul is outside our society. but the real evul is the one that build our society and keep us doing the things we do.
      like the real monsters to fight are the ones that control all of us.
      its suposed to be a wake up call from some conspiracy, i dont know. its not that clear of a message.

    • @endlife2k2
      @endlife2k2 10 років тому +2

      Daniel Grudzinski Aw. Thanks for the reply any way Daniel. Thanks

    • @keving9770
      @keving9770 10 років тому +1

      Kenny Bell Read 1984... or Animal Farm.

  • @ossi_2429
    @ossi_2429 8 років тому +3

    Anakin is an anti-hero. He's not the antagonist (at least not in the prequels). He struggles to accept the ways of the Jedi, shares his questions with an authority figure, and doesn't not have a very heroic ending.

  • @SnowmanV2
    @SnowmanV2 4 роки тому

    From the inspiring monomyth video giving the will to work and improve to the depressive video about weak and powerless antihero not being able to do a thing.
    You've raised my hopes and dashed them quite expertly, youtube. Bravo.

  • @hawkingstar1698
    @hawkingstar1698 2 роки тому +1

    I don’t like how this story portrays ancient stories of mythology, as though we “progressed out of them.” We adapted and changed, but to say it is better or worse is not in our place. These ancient stories continue to have a place in our minds for a reason.

  • @HyperionEmpire
    @HyperionEmpire 9 років тому +47

    As an author I completely disagree with their definition of anti-hero.

    • @dodorodo9581
      @dodorodo9581 6 років тому +1

      HyperionEmpire How would you define the anti hero?

    • @phillipmarsh1197
      @phillipmarsh1197 6 років тому +2

      The simplest way I've seen anyone describe an antihero is "A good guy who lacks traditional heroic attributes." One of the best examples I can think of is the Red Hood from DC comics. He fights for the innocent and powerless, but does so through very unheroic tactics. He has no problems killing his enemies and attempts to control crime from the inside, becoming a mob boss in some stories. He does all this with good intentions, but those are most certainly not heroic attributes. This video would lead you to believe an antihero is simply someone in a dystopian society that realizes it, followed by a very cut and dry formula and often an ending where nothing changed from the begging.

  • @noelic6744
    @noelic6744 8 років тому +5

    Umm, Macbeth was an anit-hero. Anti heroes aren't like that. They're usually bad people with a somewhat good point for his doings or just being the main character makes a bad guy the anti hero. Like all outlaw cowboy movies and stuff.

    • @zabtesler
      @zabtesler 7 років тому +1

      I mentioned this above, but Macbeth was a tragic hero. He didn't start out a bad person, but he became one by the end.

  • @Jack7967
    @Jack7967 11 років тому

    This reminded me how much I enjoyed 1984. Perhaps I will read that one again.

  • @0TheMihn0
    @0TheMihn0 11 років тому

    Incredibly thought provoking. Thank you!

  • @zenmaster9223
    @zenmaster9223 7 років тому +3

    Tyler durden from fight club

  • @sammiboibenton
    @sammiboibenton 8 років тому +12

    The theory that our heroes have gone from gods to flawed men through time is completely false. If it was true how do we explain superman? In truth there have always been gods and men serving as the archetypal heroes in our stories both in fiction and non fiction. For every Hercules there was a Orpheus. For every superman a batman. For every Jesus a Paul. Both gods and men have served as heroes through time and both have fought both internal and external struggles. Sure it can be said that Beowulf's true enemy was his arrogance but I would say the same of zues.

  • @sachinvenugopal6926
    @sachinvenugopal6926 4 роки тому

    This channel need to hit 100 M subscribers ..what a quality content

  • @sashapasternak1
    @sashapasternak1 11 років тому

    This is the best TED video I have ever seen!

  • @thebeesknees1162
    @thebeesknees1162 8 років тому +4

    to me antiheros do not ever do something because its good or bad and does it for him or hers gain

  • @deo.
    @deo. Рік тому +6

    It's me, hi! I'm the problem, it's me!

  • @Klick404
    @Klick404 2 роки тому

    This may be a narrow view of the anti hero, but damn it's a good video. The animation is great and the narration is chilling. Love it

  • @anxiousace4393
    @anxiousace4393 7 років тому +3

    He mentions Harry Potter
    Me: k
    He mentions Luke Skywalker
    Me: Ok
    He mentions Hiccup
    Me: OHMAHGAWDHEMENTIONEDHUCCUPTHATSSOCOOL!

  • @Tunga001
    @Tunga001 9 років тому +5

    I'd have to say that the immortal heroes of Greece were as flawed as can be.

  • @jasonmoro3994
    @jasonmoro3994 7 років тому +1

    John Constantine from the vertigo comics series Hellblazer is my all time favorite anti-hero, he has cheated death time and again and still fights against the ways of the world, he possesses a great knowledge of magik, occultism, and the supernatural, but mostly defeating demons or any evil entities by being cunning.

  • @brunalobato4971
    @brunalobato4971 2 роки тому +1

    Fui só eu que simplesmente amou o fato do soluço ser citado mesmo que por um segundo?

  • @tabahghifary8744
    @tabahghifary8744 4 роки тому +4

    Monkey D. Luffy is the best anti-hero in the history of human literature.

  • @CaptainSoftboy501
    @CaptainSoftboy501 7 років тому +4

    i got that Fahrenheit 451 reference >3>

    • @kinetic2245
      @kinetic2245 7 років тому +1

      You mean you read that book? Good for you.

    • @CaptainSoftboy501
      @CaptainSoftboy501 7 років тому

      Rei Ayanami Thanks lol

    • @kittona8754
      @kittona8754 7 років тому +2

      Loved that book. My favourite dystopian novels are Farenheit 451; The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guin, 1984 of course, but also Stepford Wives by Ira Levin which is much cleverer and deeper than it's usually credited.

  • @drew2pac
    @drew2pac 11 років тому

    i love the animation in this!!! very nice!

  • @whitechocolateman1088
    @whitechocolateman1088 7 років тому

    I have one word for this video. Wow.
    (It was incredible)

  • @adamborison3054
    @adamborison3054 8 років тому +22

    Wiiiiiinnnnstooooooonnnnnnn nooooooooooo

    • @MatiasAlric
      @MatiasAlric 8 років тому +7

      +Adam Borison It hurts every single time somebody mentions him.

    • @armanypeguero8300
      @armanypeguero8300 8 років тому +10

      +Matias Alric As soon as I finished the book I wanted a sequel where the party was defeated

    • @iZ-the-Egoni
      @iZ-the-Egoni 8 років тому

      +Lightning Trollway No one has truly defeated the ruling elite. Such a book would come as a reflection of that victory

  • @astaloteczim897
    @astaloteczim897 8 років тому +12

    The Hercules whitewashing is great. Please, actually lool at the events which happened after he got a wife. This is not Disney, guys.

  • @mikerose_1860
    @mikerose_1860 8 років тому

    My ELA teacher wanted me to do this as an assignment. Cool video!

  • @TRON1160
    @TRON1160 7 років тому +1

    Almost died at the Tron references!

  • @seacrest73
    @seacrest73 9 років тому +98

    WOW. This was a terrible video. An anti-hero is someone who does the right thing for the wrong reasons i.e. when the common good aligns with their selfish goals and are otherwise a neutral bystander. If they are the main character, then by the end of their journey, they frequently become conventional heroes. This video mixed two up two different concepts. They actually discussed the evolution of popular plot. Man vs. Nature used to be the most popular. Now it is man vs. self. Anti-heros do often face moral quandaries as part of their character development, but not always. If they are a side character, they stay the same and bring fun and edge to a work.

    • @sittingturtleduck
      @sittingturtleduck 8 років тому +2

      I can't believe my English teacher is making us take notes from this video for homework. Instead I'm doing research and listening to the comments like yours😂

    • @sittingturtleduck
      @sittingturtleduck 8 років тому +1

      +AppeasingPoet lol I know but it's not being graded (stupid common core tbh). But I'm gonna look stuff up anywys

    • @seacrest73
      @seacrest73 8 років тому +1

      +Jua T The comment section is doing some good for a change. Hope the teacher doesn't penalize you for not learning what she wants.

    • @Shana1ogic
      @Shana1ogic 8 років тому +1

      +Jua T haha same our teacher is making us do a packet on this X'D

    • @sapienecks
      @sapienecks 8 років тому +8

      +AppeasingPoet Nah, this is one of many definition of anti-heroes. Who says that there must be only one definition? Mr. Dictionary says no.

  • @jazzsama8634
    @jazzsama8634 10 років тому +11

    Doesn't explain it well

  • @ginsan8198
    @ginsan8198 6 років тому

    I'm so glad that you mentioned Hiccup of all the heroes many people could have thought of. Hiccup is great! HTTYD is too!!

  • @mrbushido56
    @mrbushido56 11 років тому

    love that he used the v for vendetta image at the start of the story my favourit ant hero story

  • @elenaalex4588
    @elenaalex4588 8 років тому +5

    Yagami Light

    • @agrumbler2872
      @agrumbler2872 8 років тому +7

      Light is Not an anti-hero. Anti-heroes can do villainous things but there's a limit. Light has no such limits, willing to murder scores of people, many of whom are innocent, for his own ideology. That's not an anti-hero, that's a villain. Yeah he thinks he has a good cause but so do most villains. Light is a villain, easy.

    • @kkcyd
      @kkcyd 8 років тому +4

      He started as one turned into a villian as time went on

    • @jaozin3704
      @jaozin3704 8 років тому

      How about calling him a anti-villain? A bad person with "heroic" intentions.

    • @thomasgass1053
      @thomasgass1053 7 років тому

      Jão Zin but even if he has "heroic" intent, he's still a villain, some of the greatest villains (although I can't think of an example) have good intent or are trying to help people, but there methods or ideology sometimes aren't in the right place.

    • @brendansmith5529
      @brendansmith5529 6 років тому

      I’d say he’s something called a “villain protagonist”. He started out as an antihero, but very quickly fell below the moral event horizon.

  • @k3nny111
    @k3nny111 9 років тому +11

    Really, really in inaccurate video and misleading title.

  • @cassandrarhys
    @cassandrarhys 11 років тому

    Love these.

  • @Thebrightat
    @Thebrightat 10 років тому

    Awesomely put!

  • @schwarzertee7586
    @schwarzertee7586 8 років тому +11

    hercules is not really a flawless hero....... you should read more greek mythology

  • @RBermuda1
    @RBermuda1 8 років тому +29

    deadpool

  • @catherinecao4810
    @catherinecao4810 7 років тому

    Thanks for crushing my hopes

  • @Biggestofoofs
    @Biggestofoofs 9 років тому +7

    Fat Vader, LoL.

  • @godzilla964
    @godzilla964 10 років тому +5

    Godzilla is an anti-hero.

  • @Ph4tos
    @Ph4tos 3 роки тому

    the hand of the robot on 2:30 is genius LMAO

  • @slaytanic7961
    @slaytanic7961 8 років тому +1

    could the main character (winston) from 1984 be considered a Anti-hero?

  • @mutthulakshmi1730
    @mutthulakshmi1730 4 роки тому +1

    This story just fits so well with 1984 omg

  • @memobenitez2508
    @memobenitez2508 9 років тому +1

    I still, from time to time, mourned Winston's death in 1984 :' (

  • @PettyferJonasGirl
    @PettyferJonasGirl 11 років тому +1

    Nineteen Eighty-Four is a book by George Orwell. It's actually spelled out, but I can understand why someone wouldn't want to write it all out.

  • @danishlee9162
    @danishlee9162 4 роки тому

    2:38 that character was from The cartoon show call Roketeer?

  • @ManintheArmor
    @ManintheArmor 10 років тому +1

    As I now see, the hero and the anti-hero can share the same beginning. The difference is where they end up. Whereas the hero returns home, the anti-hero is left in the wilderness or returns home as just another face in the crowd. The anti-hero is the hero that couldn't be.

    • @brendansmith5529
      @brendansmith5529 6 років тому

      Nocturnus Schwartstein nah that’s what this video says but it’s not really a good example of the term. When you think Antihero, think about characters like Punisher, V in V for Vendetta, the majority of Watchmen characters, and things like that. Basically, people whose methods or intentions are not heroic, who end up contributing (or trying to contribute) to an ultimately good cause.
      I would argue that Winston from 1984 is an ‘Everyman’ hero who just happened to fail in his heroic quest, rather than an antihero. All of his intentions are good, and he never does anything morally questionable.

  • @quinnthomas8530
    @quinnthomas8530 4 роки тому

    This animation is awesome.

  • @LillianWinterAnimations
    @LillianWinterAnimations 7 років тому +2

    What would they say about V for Vendetta?

    • @OfMicNMen
      @OfMicNMen 7 років тому

      Alexis Finch V is probably the most righteous anti-hero I can think of. The only thing that would truly qualify him as "anti" imo is that he's vengeful and not above murder, torture and kidnapping for the greater good.

  • @yagzylmaz4235
    @yagzylmaz4235 4 роки тому +1

    The best anti-hero is probably Zuko from the Last Airbender. It is considered one of the best redemption arc storyline

  • @junghwapil3650
    @junghwapil3650 4 роки тому

    Wow. Thank you so much for putting Korean. I really appreciate about it. God bless you.

  • @note4note804
    @note4note804 11 років тому

    Yeah you're right I really didn't understand what they were getting at with the talk of those characters. Didn't really help that they talk about Othello, Beowulf and Hiccup in the same grouping especially because I can't help but consider Othello and Beowulf to be anti-heroes in some degree, so I confused the grouping as them talking about all three as if they were anti-heroes.