This was one of my best coop experiences ever. Played through the first 4 scenarios and can't wait to finish it. I really felt like I was experiencing the movies. We actually implemented a save mechanic so will be heading to Isengard next time. It was pretty easy to just jot down current corruption and then move on to the next chapter. Definitely best at a higher player count!
We did the same thing and I recall the rules stating to mark what chapter you finished and where you were on the corruption track to avoid starting all over again. I really enjoyed this game and can't wait to solo play it.
I felt confused by this review. Were Zee and Camilla not aware this is the third in a series, very much designed for families to play over several sessions? The first two pretty readily advertised the "save system" that allowed you to stop between chapters. But Zee and Camilla seem to be reviewing this as if they were expecting something really different.
I think their point isn’t that you can’t stop and pick it up later (Zee mentioned that you can), their point was you have to start the game from the 1st chapter. You can’t just open it up to Chapter 5 and start a new game there.
@@robkanngiesser5463 I'm curious why you can't, though. You could with the last two in the series, although it probably put you at a slight disadvantage to jump in at the middle. Was that deliberately changed in this one?
It’s really easy to save state between games: the entire state is the corruption track and the specials you have, that’s it. I played my first three games, took a picture of the state, and reset the next day. So, it’s easy to truly come back to. Once you have a saved state (a picture of the corruption and special cards) between all 8 games, you can use that saved state to back and just play any game. Granted the rules don’t address all this directly, but with just a little work, you can fix the two main issues Zee and Camilla discussed.
You can play only 1 chapter at a time...as long as you keep going in chronological order. For instance, this week you play chapters 1 and 2, then next week you pick up with chapter 3, etc. It's the same with the Princess Bride one (the 1st game in this adventure book series).
I love these games, and I have all 3. If you really want to relive a specific chapter without replaying it all, you can go through the previous chapters, deal in the appropriate number of random special cards (noted in the goals section of each chapter) into the main deck, shuffle it, and play the chapter you'd like. This way you're not over/under powered. That being said, this is an adventure book game, with "book" being the main focus. You can definitely read your favourite chapter from a book, but it won't be as good or make as much sense without reading the entire book from start to finish. Zee mentioned earlier that there was no possible way of only playing a single chapter, but there is a way mentioned in the rules on how to bookmark your progress, even by his own admission near the end of the video. Overall I think that Ravensburger needs to be more open on what type of game this is and how long it really takes to play, as people may expect something different than what it is which could lead to disappointment.
It is a great family level co-op. We beat it at 2 players with only one failure. (Shakes fist at forest) If you want to start on any chapter allow yourself one ring usage and put in chapter/2 rounded up random specials.
Interesting take on the game… I’ve played the previous 2 and I think the minutes per chapter thing makes perfect sense. It’s not often that we play through the entire game in one sitting. And the save “system” is barely even a system because it’s so straightforward. Agreed that replaying some of the initial chapters could get a bit boring though.
I have the first 2 games in this series (Princess Bride and Wizard of Oz) (I'm hoping for a Labyrinth one) and I really enjoyed them. I wasn't sure if I was going to pick up The Lord of the Rings one since I'm not as big a fan of those films as the other 2. But it looks pretty cool and I like solving the puzzles and they're good solo games for me. I don't really understand when they're saying you can't save the game and continue at another session from whatever chapter you left off at. That's the way these games were designed. They're not meant to be played straight through all at once. I know the first 2 games give specific directions on how to save your place for next time. You just have to make sure the deck you've built so far is saved separately with all the special cards you've earned. And it looks like this one has a track that you just have to note where the marker is on it. Also with the first too I haven't had an issue with having to replay over and over the first chapter or first few chapters. I usually only fail on the last chapter of the Princess Bride one, but they give you a second chance where you just have to replay the current chapter, not the whole book. But fail twice and you're starting all over. I think it's the same for the Wizard of Oz one. So I don't know if the Lord of the Rings one is much harder. Anyway just pointing out that some of the arguments I think are due to a wrong interpretation of how these games work.
What a strange negative comment. It's like saying that Forgotten Waters or Sleeping Gods, you should be able to jump into the middle of the game. I'm sorry but the game just doesn't work like that and it's not meant for that. Also, learning new rules each chapter? Isn't that exactly how many other games work? I'm so confused by their nitpicking.
I wonder if this was framed as a “reset-able legacy game” if that would have helped your expectation of rule changes and game play time? I haven’t played this one but I have played the princess bride one and while I agree about the learning new rules thing, I just break it up into different play sessions with one or two chapters each session.
If you had to come up with variant rules to be able to directly revisit certain chapters (without starting over at chapter 1), how would u go about it? And same question for better game-balance at 2 player counts?
For playing specific chapters I would guess that you should take note of how many special cards you could possibly have at that point based on the previous chapters and then added one corruption for each of the previous chapters. Not sure how this works in practice.
Okay you guys do realize that you can play any chapter you want in any order you want it anytime you want there is no police force that's going to come arrest you for playing a chapter just cuz you want to you're more than able to be able to play it how you want you on the game who cares play whatever you want when you want
I'm so confused... They definitely have played campaign games before, why are they acting like they don't know about them? Should Gloomhaven have 500 hours as gametime on the box? Should pandamic legacy say 24 hours on the box? No of course not, it shows game time per scenario. All campaign games do, so whats different here? I really don't get the angle in this review.... Or am I missing something? What makes this different?
I don't understand why you couldn't record your "stuff" before you start the next Chapter and then replay it with the same "stuff" (if you lose), or if you want to play it like a campaign, (pack it away and start it from there next time).
I own this but haven't played yet. I don't know if I'll enjoy it as I typically like heavier co-ops, but the issues with game length/saving between sessions seems really odd. It seems like if the publisher slapped the word "campaign" on the box then everything would be fine? Who cares? Play 1, 2, or 3 scenarios, write down just a few things, pack it up, continue later. There are very easily defined and logical stopping points, just like any game with linked scenarios. I don't see compaints with say Gloomhaven or Arkham Horror LCG when you have to record some stuff and continue later. While it would be nice to jump in and play a single scenario as a one-off, the complaints about requiring 2+ hours in a single sitting and the listed 20 minutes being a lie seem strange. I don't think Arkham LCG lists a playtime of 12 hours.
Eh, there's no good reason you can't jump in at a later chapter. Given that, I don't think the fact that you feel like you have to start at the beginning shouldn't be too much of a knock against the game.
This was one of my best coop experiences ever. Played through the first 4 scenarios and can't wait to finish it. I really felt like I was experiencing the movies. We actually implemented a save mechanic so will be heading to Isengard next time. It was pretty easy to just jot down current corruption and then move on to the next chapter. Definitely best at a higher player count!
We did the same thing and I recall the rules stating to mark what chapter you finished and where you were on the corruption track to avoid starting all over again. I really enjoyed this game and can't wait to solo play it.
Exactly , finish a chapter and come back later to star the next chapter . I would hate to start over every time .
I felt confused by this review. Were Zee and Camilla not aware this is the third in a series, very much designed for families to play over several sessions? The first two pretty readily advertised the "save system" that allowed you to stop between chapters. But Zee and Camilla seem to be reviewing this as if they were expecting something really different.
I think their point isn’t that you can’t stop and pick it up later (Zee mentioned that you can), their point was you have to start the game from the 1st chapter. You can’t just open it up to Chapter 5 and start a new game there.
@@robkanngiesser5463 I'm curious why you can't, though. You could with the last two in the series, although it probably put you at a slight disadvantage to jump in at the middle. Was that deliberately changed in this one?
When you say it's the 3rd in the series I wasn't aware of this. What were the first 2 called? I tried searching for them but no luck. Thanks 👍🏼
Ahh ignore my question I found them. I thought you meant there were 2 more LOTR games in the series. I just saw.... Princess Bridge and Wizard of Oz.
@@RichUK1980 Bride *
I'd love to watch Princess Bridge, though! 🎉
It’s really easy to save state between games: the entire state is the corruption track and the specials you have, that’s it. I played my first three games, took a picture of the state, and reset the next day. So, it’s easy to truly come back to. Once you have a saved state (a picture of the corruption and special cards) between all 8 games, you can use that saved state to back and just play any game. Granted the rules don’t address all this directly, but with just a little work, you can fix the two main issues Zee and Camilla discussed.
You can play only 1 chapter at a time...as long as you keep going in chronological order. For instance, this week you play chapters 1 and 2, then next week you pick up with chapter 3, etc. It's the same with the Princess Bride one (the 1st game in this adventure book series).
I love these games, and I have all 3. If you really want to relive a specific chapter without replaying it all, you can go through the previous chapters, deal in the appropriate number of random special cards (noted in the goals section of each chapter) into the main deck, shuffle it, and play the chapter you'd like. This way you're not over/under powered. That being said, this is an adventure book game, with "book" being the main focus. You can definitely read your favourite chapter from a book, but it won't be as good or make as much sense without reading the entire book from start to finish.
Zee mentioned earlier that there was no possible way of only playing a single chapter, but there is a way mentioned in the rules on how to bookmark your progress, even by his own admission near the end of the video. Overall I think that Ravensburger needs to be more open on what type of game this is and how long it really takes to play, as people may expect something different than what it is which could lead to disappointment.
What are the other games in this series called or do you have any links as I would love to purchase all 3 of these?
Thanks
@@bayleyinc The Princess Bride and the Wizard of Oz.
@@KarlJuhlkeGames Awesome, thank you
It is a great family level co-op. We beat it at 2 players with only one failure. (Shakes fist at forest) If you want to start on any chapter allow yourself one ring usage and put in chapter/2 rounded up random specials.
The chapter rules are all under 5 minutes to read. They're easy to reference too as they are on the page you have open.
Camilla has become so good at explaining a game and her thoughts on it. Her and Zee are a fun team here.
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Interesting take on the game… I’ve played the previous 2 and I think the minutes per chapter thing makes perfect sense. It’s not often that we play through the entire game in one sitting. And the save “system” is barely even a system because it’s so straightforward. Agreed that replaying some of the initial chapters could get a bit boring though.
I have the first 2 games in this series (Princess Bride and Wizard of Oz) (I'm hoping for a Labyrinth one) and I really enjoyed them. I wasn't sure if I was going to pick up The Lord of the Rings one since I'm not as big a fan of those films as the other 2. But it looks pretty cool and I like solving the puzzles and they're good solo games for me. I don't really understand when they're saying you can't save the game and continue at another session from whatever chapter you left off at. That's the way these games were designed. They're not meant to be played straight through all at once. I know the first 2 games give specific directions on how to save your place for next time. You just have to make sure the deck you've built so far is saved separately with all the special cards you've earned. And it looks like this one has a track that you just have to note where the marker is on it. Also with the first too I haven't had an issue with having to replay over and over the first chapter or first few chapters. I usually only fail on the last chapter of the Princess Bride one, but they give you a second chance where you just have to replay the current chapter, not the whole book. But fail twice and you're starting all over. I think it's the same for the Wizard of Oz one. So I don't know if the Lord of the Rings one is much harder. Anyway just pointing out that some of the arguments I think are due to a wrong interpretation of how these games work.
What a strange negative comment. It's like saying that Forgotten Waters or Sleeping Gods, you should be able to jump into the middle of the game. I'm sorry but the game just doesn't work like that and it's not meant for that.
Also, learning new rules each chapter? Isn't that exactly how many other games work? I'm so confused by their nitpicking.
I wonder if this was framed as a “reset-able legacy game” if that would have helped your expectation of rule changes and game play time? I haven’t played this one but I have played the princess bride one and while I agree about the learning new rules thing, I just break it up into different play sessions with one or two chapters each session.
If you had to come up with variant rules to be able to directly revisit certain chapters (without starting over at chapter 1), how would u go about it? And same question for better game-balance at 2 player counts?
For playing specific chapters I would guess that you should take note of how many special cards you could possibly have at that point based on the previous chapters and then added one corruption for each of the previous chapters. Not sure how this works in practice.
Okay you guys do realize that you can play any chapter you want in any order you want it anytime you want there is no police force that's going to come arrest you for playing a chapter just cuz you want to you're more than able to be able to play it how you want you on the game who cares play whatever you want when you want
I'm so confused... They definitely have played campaign games before, why are they acting like they don't know about them? Should Gloomhaven have 500 hours as gametime on the box? Should pandamic legacy say 24 hours on the box? No of course not, it shows game time per scenario. All campaign games do, so whats different here? I really don't get the angle in this review.... Or am I missing something? What makes this different?
I don't understand why you couldn't record your "stuff" before you start the next Chapter and then replay it with the same "stuff" (if you lose), or if you want to play it like a campaign, (pack it away and start it from there next time).
I think will be nice to play with family... I will check it out once is out in EU and for a good price
I own this but haven't played yet. I don't know if I'll enjoy it as I typically like heavier co-ops, but the issues with game length/saving between sessions seems really odd.
It seems like if the publisher slapped the word "campaign" on the box then everything would be fine? Who cares? Play 1, 2, or 3 scenarios, write down just a few things, pack it up, continue later. There are very easily defined and logical stopping points, just like any game with linked scenarios.
I don't see compaints with say Gloomhaven or Arkham Horror LCG when you have to record some stuff and continue later.
While it would be nice to jump in and play a single scenario as a one-off, the complaints about requiring 2+ hours in a single sitting and the listed 20 minutes being a lie seem strange. I don't think Arkham LCG lists a playtime of 12 hours.
My thoughts as well. Does GH say jump into mission 45.. no? Just don’t get their complaints at all. I loved one cop op shops review more.
That's a little disappointing but I still want to grab it for the family. C'mon Target, put it on sale later this year!
Target had it on sale for Black Friday. Just picked it up a couple days ago!
I think I would just set the corruption track to whatever chapter it is x2 to make it even.
Where does one buy this?
@@dicezart9667 I am not from the US unfortunately. Guess I will wait till Amazon picks it up
Target
Eh, there's no good reason you can't jump in at a later chapter. Given that, I don't think the fact that you feel like you have to start at the beginning shouldn't be too much of a knock against the game.
IDK but I find it kinda Legends of Andor: Chada & Thorn.
Thats cool its kind of like the princess bride book game
Looks like The Princess Bride version of the book adventure game.
It’s in the same series
Who’s “Mary”?
Are Zee and Camila related?
No.
Someone should tell Ravensburger that "Adventure Book Game" is a trademarked term that Asmode owns.
Seems interesting but also ew at movie screen grabs 😢
I thought that was Zee’s pet peeve. I’m surprised he didn’t mention it. Or I missed it.
The screen grabs went through some sort of art filter. They look a lot better than you'd expect
They are not screen grabs though… it’s art based on the movies. Same as the previous 2 entries in the series.
Why can't you play one chapter and play another chapter the next day? What's stopping you
Just say no to, "In my wheelhouse."
Where did Camilla suddenly come from?
Garbage table.
Mera game vedio bohot majedar.sure review r you