Does God Expect You, as a Christian, To Endure Abuse Indefinitely?
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- In this Little Lesson, Bible teacher David Servant answers a question from one of his viewers who is wondering how long to endure abusive treatment from narcissistic family members. Learn more!
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Do not enable an abuser. Give them your absence
Lauren Ann-That’s a gift worth giving! 🤔Thanks.
Amen! I had to endure a narcissist’s frequent abuse for years. Thank God that He delivered me from “It”.
@@ceciliapadua7685 if you stay in a abusive relationship they have power over you. Don’t enable them by sticking around.
I love that, yes there is NOTHING more powerful you can do to an abuser than gift them with your absence!
Agree!
I have thousands of hours of study and a lifetime of experience. Taking this before a church is a terrifying thought. Would not recommend. Almost every narcissist will cleverly start a smear campaign against you making you into the bad guy and you’ll be ostracized. It’s a special kind of evil beyond imagination. Go no contact. Leave. Get safe. Forgiveness can come later.
That's what my priest told me when I had a mentally and emotionally abusive girlfriend
Totally agree and the church would believe them and not you.
I have truly had some horrific experiences in the church & do not go anymore. I have been judged & labelled for no reason & there has been a total lack of love. Ok if you have had things go pretty smoothly in your life, good family upbringing & lots of contacts but if you don't have that you are on your own, they cast me aside & by doing that they also cast my only son aside. They don't want you, don't care if you stop going to church, you do not feel a sense of caring & love at church but of isolation & it makes you feel worse.. My son is now dead. I would like to go to church but I can't where I live. Very rare to find such a kind, loving & understanding pastor in the church.
Yes. However, FORGIVE them in your heart. Hold no grudges or vindictiveness towards their actions against you. Vengeance is of the Lords.
Choose to forgive and love them from a very healthy distance, in order to keep your sanity, because they can drive you crazy never taking any accountability for their own arrogance & vindictive actions against you, if you continue to subject yourself to their abusive, bully behavior over an extended period of time.
If you do become ostracized, then keep in mind...... On a positive note, the injured narcissist definitely helped weed out people in your life that were not your friend to begin with. People who easily buy into the Narc's narrative spread all over town about you behind your back, without questioning the status quo, is very telling about your "friendship" with them. It should tell you those "friends" are very shallow, naive, simple minded people that you really don't want inside your inner circle of trust to begin with. In this day & age, I find it hard to count your true friends on one hand, as Narcs hate truth tellers. Thankful to have a friend in Jesus. He was a truth teller, which utlimately got Him crucified. Stay grounded, humble and close to the vine of Jesus and bear good fruit (don't be vindictive). Have forgiveness in your heart. Don't fight fire with fire (like satan would do). Give the injured Narc to God and God will bless you (with strength, grace & mercy) for trusting in Him to pull through your hardships and staying in His will for your life. Forgiveness comes NOW inside your heart....... physical interactions can come later, along with healthy boundaries for the Narc to respect. Don't hold anger or bitterness towards them inside your heart (forgive them now, limit your contact & let it go inside your heart).
Completely agree
When I have had conflict with narcissists one of the problems is that they refuse to discuss anything, there is nothing more we can do. Hanging around them only tempts us to act like them out of frustration in return. Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or set foot on the path of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers."
1 Corinthians 15:33-34 New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995)
Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good morals.” Become sober-minded as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame."
Proverbs 4:14
"Do not enter the path of the wicked
And do not proceed in the way of evil men."
Woah!! That's exactly what what's going on in my situation. The individual claims to want to listen but NEVER shuts up. Will talk over me , will not let me finish answering a question they ask.
Sensible, reasonable, and practical wisdom that dispels the falsehood that we Christians are supposed to allow ourselves to be treated like doormats. Great stuff!
I took it to the Church and my husband showed his true colours in front of them, yet being the covert he was he ended up in tears and caused confusion to the Church Pastors and elders. Our pastor said in all his years of ministry he has never had any members of his church speak to him the way my husband did and he has never witnessed such behaviour. They knew there was something "off" but did they believe he was abusive to me? I don't know, they wanted to be "fair" so they tried to say it was both of us, it takes two etc etc. If someone hasn't experienced personality disorders before and doesn't understand that there will never be any resolution then it can be very damaging to the 'victim'.
It was very brave of you for doing that. Good for you.
I totally understand your circumstances…. I’m in one as well. Only the LORD can reconcile it. Your pastor said the same words I’ve said about the narcs in my situation.
yes people (church) need to be more educated about narcissistic and emotional abuse - it seems we only are when it happens to us?!
This is an answer to 50 yrs worth of prayers 😥
Wow. Good for you. Praise God, He promises to answer...not when He'll answer. Encouraging to see you keep faith in prayer. 50yrs is a long time. Goes to show patience is worth it and it's more praise for the Lord. I know many who quit God for much less. Keep up the faith. More proof for nonbelievers.
Struggling with a narcissistic sibling who feels entitled to my stuff right now! She goes as far as stealing from me and acts like she's the victim in every situation...
I share the same situation as your writer. My brother and his wife have been married for over forty years and she is the ultimate narcissist. The sad thing is she’s turned my brother into her. I will no longer enable them. When my mother passed away, who lived with us for many years, my brother and his wife came at me with the most horrific hatred I’ve ever seen. The treated my husband and I like trash and have turned much of my family against us. I cannot keep my testimony, as a follower of Christ, and be in their company. They have been dismissed from our lives and I’m not contacting family to save face. If they believe them, so be it. I live for Christ alone. God never meant for us to be doormats.
Amen
"I cannot keep my testimony, as a follower of Christ, and be in their company." After 3 years I came to the same conclusion and separated from the narcissist. No contact from now on.
Well done! Jesus doesn't expect us to live with narc abuse.
Our God is good.
Son married a narcissist. We didn't see it initially. She bickered with him a lot, disrespected him publicly. Red flags started appearing; but we "assumed" he was happy in the marriage. He was willing to try and "fix" things. He wasn't perfect; but he tried relentlessly to get her to go for counseling because he believed with all his heart their marriage could be reconciled. Both claimed to be Christians. Then he found out. She admitted to "going too far with a friend". He told her he could forgive her. Now their divorced. She remarried 6 months after divorce final to the "friend". He's attempted to go no contact with her. She refuses to use court approved app. She continues to abuse him verbally and mentally. They have 3 boys (10,8,6). How do you do "no contact" with kids involved? She even manipulates the children and tries to alienate them from their dad. They have 50/50 custody.
Thank you, I'm positive that I needed to hear this message today !
God bless, open eyes and ears Father...
I do not think God expects you to endure abuse from another believer any time .Thank you I need this big time. I am going thru this big time with two friends
We will put up with abuse when we're burning 🔥 in hell. Hell is the worst kind of abuse ever.
Difficult to stay away from these kind of people, when you work with them.... still a good message!!!!
When you take a narcissist to any group of people (even the church), they will believe the narcissist unless you have documented provable evidence (RECORD THEM throwing a tantrum). It's sad, but narcissists make it a point to get others to like them. They can be very charming towards those they want to perceive them as charming.
200000% true, somehow these type of ppl can manipulate everyone. Even those you respected and thought were intelligent.
Finally bold but loving and biblical point of view on this topic
Thank you so much. This has helped eliminate a lot of guilt in wondering if "I stuck it out long enough. "
Agree!!!!
I’m dealing with a physically/verbally abusive husband. I have no money and no where to go. I don’t want to be here anymore. I have prayed and nothing has changed ! 😢
Find a women's shelter. They know abusers keep you isolated and with no means. The shelter is set up to help. Im Saying a prayer for you.
god isn't coming. At best, he doesn't exist. At best. There is no scenario by which you should give the sky genie your devotion.
shelters will keep ypu physically safe but you need to also begin saving money when your there and have the bible KJV with you. Earthern Vessels is a womens channel helping women on there path to become Christian woman through baptism in Jesus name and there are playlists on narcisstiic abuse The channel is by Sister Abbey Elizabeth an Aged women.
@@kimberlymiller4052
This is what victims say/do, it is often a hidden way of justifying remaining in the abusive relationship.
God has given you a solution through the suggestion of the person above. Unbelievable how deceiving the devil is!! @@kaptainwarp
I just stay away from on purpose mean people even if it means I lose my kids and grandkids. God is my wonderful counselor. My self esteem is to low to endure it. I have to forget them.😞 they leave me no option.
Bless you, Sir. You put common sense into our interpretation of the Scriptures.
My son married a Narcissist.. (spirit of Jezebel ). My son has always been emphatic and loved all his family. His wife at first came off to our family as loving. Although many red flags such as not wanting her biological dad walking her down the isle , stating she was still upset over his drinking problem even though he has been sober for years and became to know the Lord and showed her so much love. She did not have her sister as a brides maid due to similar addictions even though her sister has recovered years prior and now a loving mother. She push to get married right away with in a year of knowing each other and then made a treat to my son that if doesn't get her pregnant right away she will leave him . Then our precious first born granddaughter came and the full HORROR began. She does not want any of us to be part of my granddaughter life and has cause soo much drama and pain over this. She has exploited my daughter and me and even called my mom a F***cking B**tch and my mom is a sweet old lady that has always shows love and compassion for people. Unfortunately for me I did call her out for talking about my mom this way and how she was being cruel for not letting be part of my granddaughter life and she came back screening at me and twisted everything.
A few weeks ago we met them at a park ( even though they live 5 minutes from us) to try to work things out and she had a complete psychotic rage , while holding the baby she is screening obscenities (it was bad) she was holding on so tight to the baby and looking at me saying "you will never be part of her life" her eyes were so evil looking.. My son literally sat on the bench and starred out into space with a zoomie look with his eye watering. He did finally say to her stop using that language while holding our daughter. But she was still going on and basically gave him an ultimatum. For my son he has been so trauma bonded ,, devalued and the fact that he wants to be a family man and a good husband that he is going along with all her lies. My granddaughter will be a year old in March and we have just missed out. My son is now under her spell as he is acquiescing to her and has cut me off and the rest of my family expect my ex husband. My ex husband sees right through her and his standing up for my daughter and me and will not play her games. He is trying to resolve this and get healing as he does not want to push my son away. My son is a mild manner gentleman but when a woman has the spirit of Jezebel they can turn a good man to do things that are hurtful. This is a subject that is worth taking about to help us that are hurting so much.
Your son, if he turns against his wife she will leave him and alienate the child. He's in a tough situation here. You all are.
@@sammislethe4698 the alternative is that his child will be victimized by this evilness and their daughter's precious psych will be damaged. I have witness this all too often a girl gets into her teenage young adult and the aging narcissist get even more vengeful and jealous over the daughter and makes her life miserable. This is a demonic spirit.
@@rolledesiree I watched that video and am convinced my ex husband is demon possessed. I left the following comment on the video and wonder if any one else could relate to my experience:
"In his youth my ex husband lived for 6 years in a Zen center. Every morning he had to do hundreds of bows to an idol while chanting a mantra "Kwan Seum Bosal" that was supposedly invoking the god of compassion, but who know what demons he was inviting into his life. He has no compassion for anyone but himself, he is a pathological liar and his rages are a sight to behold. I have suspected demonic possession but after watching this video I am more certain his mind has been taken over by demons. Nothing else can explain how a professing Christian can believe he can commit any sin, even murder, every day of his life and still go to heaven. The proliferation of occultism in the world, and even in churches, may explain the epidemic of Narcissism."
There are two demonic women who have married my brothers and gang up to mistreat and exclude me as much as possible. I have cried, I have done things for them to get along but to no avail. They are relentless nasty people who target me while being very sweet with everyone else. All the while harming me, they have turned so many against me, even those I thought were our family friends way before they came along. It's been extremely painful and it's been going on for many years. Every family together they try to find opportunities to harm me. They are really evil black hearted people and I don't know how much more I can take. They have caused me SO much pain and when they see they have hurt me, they look elated. They don't want peace. They only find pleasure in causing me pain.
@@tc4583 Some people ARE demonic, & are doing such things as you describe, deliberately. They wilfully choose to be mean & destructive. They're sadistic. A sick, evil game they love to play with selected individuals. I've had to stop contact with a parent & a sibling, same reason, both playing with demonic forces. I suspect sibling may be involved with occult. Can be a cause for such behaviour. Terrifying, because one has admitted to knowing Jesus is trying to reach her. I know what awaits them, but I can't change them. Finally reached the point where I must leave them in God's hands. I'm not responsible for their choices or actions. Sometimes you just have to let people go, & face the consequences, but keep praying for them. I know God can do it, but maybe not through me. It's tough when it's demonic though, & when they turn other family members against you. But I can't keep being ill, mentally & physically as I was, because of this. It's a shame that so many christians, inc pastors, don't see what's really going on, so cannot really support you. Essential to find those who do, and who can help. Be wise & discerning. Pray, read bible. 🙏🙏🙏
So thankful that I have found your channel. Your teaching is clear, concise, broad and loving. With scripture to go with it. Perfect.
I just love listening to your videos! You are so kind and you have a lot of wisdom.
Thank you for your very down-to-earth tell it how it is David, we need more teaching like this.
The day after I was physically assaulted for the second time by a woman at church and during that night my arm was in pain and debilitated so I contacted her by whatsapp as I couldn't even get washed, dressed etc. She denied doing it and gaslighted with "it must have been somebody else". I forwarded the exchange to the elders. They told her I had to speak directly with her in person. I refused as I obviously do not feel safe when she is around me, whatsapped her to please apologize in writing. She refused - more denials. In the end the elders accused me of not being peaceable because I wouldn't see her face to face. Their harassment drove me to near suicide and they made out to all and sundry that I was a troublemaker. I let them know that I was taking the Police's advice not to go anywhere I expected my physical abuser to be, and that I was much happier now that I attended other congregations. Four months it took before my arm got back to normal so that I don't have to pay others to do my chores. I forgive her for being jealous, violent, and too weak to admit it, but I am in complete shock at how the elders treated me - Judah is apostate 😢
Gray rock the Narcissist. Mine is a sibling. I became tired of the lying, gas lighting, lack of empathy, narcissistic yelling and rages to gain control. Becareful. Calling out a Narcissist can be harmful to you. Gray Rock and cut them off. Stay away from their " Flying monkeys". Narcissistic term.
Yes. It’s so hard... Thanks my parents betrayed me after a bad breakup to the point I simply can't trust them. Very abusive.
Your videos have helped me so much! Thank you! God bless you!
Thank you for this. God bless you and keep you. 🙏
I really appreciate the comments you' ve made regarding this. It has been so helpful, as have your other videos on dealing with a Narcissist. This one has especially helped me make a decision with confidence. I have been praying about this for a while, and now can turn down future engagements, free of guilt and still loving these people.
I know this video is a few years old but I'm glad it came up on my YT recommendations. Thank you for backing everything up with scripture properly.
Long suffering isn’t FOREVER suffering that’s gold 🎉🎉🎉
This is by far the best video I have seen in a long time that discusses this topic, love the biblical backing with a Christ like approach 👍🏼
Thank you so much for covering this. I really needed it.
Amazing videos, thank you brother
Good message I connect with, binding to hell every unequal yoke and common share with those in every form of spiritual, mental, physical, intellectual and emotional abuse, binding myself, my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquintances, neighbours, opponents and the body of Christ freed of every wicked man, while binding myself freed of every unequal yoke and common share with those who are wicked, in accordance with matthew 18:17, 1 corinthians 5:13, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!
Jesus never tried to be friends with Herod. As far as I can determine, He never invited Herod to the feasts saying, "Let's let bygones be bygones..." Rather, Jesus completely ignored and avoided Herod throughout His whole life and I believe He was teaching us how we should handle the "Herods" in our own life who are out to "destroy" us in any way.
Didn't Herod die when Jesus was still a baby?
@@Kelle0284 Yes, but that Herod also had a son called Herod who was around until Christ died.
Funny. Yesterday I chewed out a family narc and felt so good afterward, like I had finally stood up for myself. Anyway, then I got all guilty feeling and started repenting. The Lord stopped me and told me to quit groveling. That I did and said the right things. The only thing that can let bygones be bygones is the blood of Jesus. One of my family members recently started going to church again yet I am still her scapegoat to be held in contempt. I told her how is that behavior God? I also told her that her family group of narcs will stand before God someday, but they will not be able to manipulate him like they manipulate and bully others. My family is full of narcs. They refuse to humble themselves in any way. My daughter told me yesterday she has nothing to repent of, as she's never done anything wrong to me. I lost it and told her what I thought. I'm glad I did.
Oh, thank you for this.
If people join the Narcissists when they know you and have enjoyed your company they are not the type of friends you want. A true friend will believe in you and discuss things with you face to face if they dont its their loss not yours I think.!
Thank you this has really helped me 🙏🏻 from the uk
Excellent word!!! I’m filing this under “INSTANT INSPIRATION”!
Psalms 34:17 The RIGHTEOUS CRY, and the LORD HEARETH, and DELIVERETH THEM out of ALL THEIR TROUBLES.
SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM of GOD AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS ....
AFTER FINDING IT, WHICH MAY BE AFTER A LONG DILIGENT PERIOD OF TIME, HE WILL DELIVER YOU FROM ALL THE TROUBLES THAT YOU FIND YOURSELF DEALING WITH, KNOWING THE TRUTH......
YASHA MESSIAH IS COME IN THE FLESH !!! ! !!!
God hates abuse. Speaking as a childhood sexual, emotional, physical abuse survivor I no longer see my siblings. I have forgiven them - but that's obedience to God and for me - it really has nothing to do with their acceptance and certainly not excusing the abuse they perpetuated, kept silence or gaslit me about. Forgiveness does not equal trust - trust is earned. Most people see abuse (unless they've actually been through it) as 'just a misunderstanding' or a 'mistake' etc
I can say it is absolutely premeditated, calculated, determined to destroy my life, - aka - being used by evil - while exactly knowing what they were doing/continue to try and do. my abuser bragged to my mother " Once abused always abused" and has never admitted accountability or shown any remorse whatsoever. confronted him once, gently and reasonably and he physically ran away from me
Henry Cloud's Boundaries book and course is very helpful with the difference between forgiveness and healthy boundaries and trust
Yes we share in the sufferings of Christ but God does not want his daughter or his sons to mindlessly bear abuse in silence, pretending everything is okay for the sake of the church to turn a blind eye
True words!!thankyou for this message
It's human nature to look after your own skin and promote your own interests and family before others.I pray the Lord convicts people to consider others not just themselves.
Thank you for your videos on this subject. They are a blessing. Can you please explain what to do if you are being emotionally abused By A narcissist and you go to them privately but they don’t repent. What do you do if you don’t have any mutual friends to mediate and what do you do if you and the narcissist don’t even go to the same church. Which church does it get brought up to. I feel like I’m misunderstanding this.
Thank you for your detailed response. God bless you for your blessings. 🙏🌹
Love these videos ❤
Thank you for sharing.
If you sibling is rude and disrespectful then you have every right to ignore and leave them, yes there’s always going to be conflict but normally conflict doesn’t last for more than a week, (unless it’s war) you shouldn’t be expected to be the peace keeper in a relationship.
seems like these days everything is a war
Good advice, thanks!
Thank you so very much. God is good!🙏🙂
The only things that permit divorce according to God are abuse or infidelity...But even then, He would want us not to jump the gun with divorce, but instead make an attempt to reconcile/work around/past it. (Unless your life is in danger) If the individual refuses to change or stop, then I'd say you've done what you could and it's time to get out. My wife separated from me for about a month a few years ago and ended up having an emotional/physical affair...I forgave and took her back in a HEARTBEAT. Fast forward 2 years and she separated again...this time she moved to her own place, got involved with a new man and then moved in with him after just a couple months. She wants nothing to do with me and treats me as if the last 6 years of our lives together never even happened...I won't be giving her another chance this time around, should she have a change of heart.
The Bible doesn’t tell us to be peacekeepers.. Sometimes being a peacemaker means walking away
Thank you for that.
@@pamdike1361 Your welcome 🙏💕
Yes. It says only that blessed are they.
@@Lexilea68 Yes! “Blessed are the Peace Makers.”.. Not the peace keepers. There is a big difference!
My husband severely disabled me ten years ago and has no remorse. I am stuck with him.
I tried to apply 1 Cor. 5 to family members. Pastors and counselors tried to tell me it doesn't apply to family members. How did they come to that conclusion? They made family an idol! Family is more important than scripture from God.
2Timothy:3
The chapter in writing talks about avoiding abusers.
God requires us to forgive others. But we have to protect ourselves from those we can’t trust.
Thank you for your most wonderful presentation. Compassion kindness truth. I got my lessons as was the divine plan. I am grateful!
Still…..if I had received it sooner, I might have a few pearls left😂😂😂😂🙏🙏🙏☮️☮️☮️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you this helped me a lot.
When you say “enable” it’s just feels like blaming but they are so good at abusing you can’t even see it when you’re in the thick of it. But I see it now.
Thanks 😊
You get to get away from those type of people
I have known so many women in Church who believe God wants them to forgive their husband for all of his Affairs. I tried to tell them to leave him. They would not listen.
That's so sad that the church has indoctrinated an enabling of sinful patterns. I think the verse in mark 9, if anyone causes a beliver to stumble, you'd be better tying a millstone round your neck, might be applicable. The wives are contributing to others continuing to stumble and sin, the husband and the women they are having affairs with. There are no consequences for the husband's behaviour and no reason for them to seek help and be held accountable for their behaviour. It's an enabling and codependent pattern on the wives parts.
Repentance means a turning away from sin and towards Jesus. There's no evidence of repentance if it's continually repeated. Empty words, not repentance.
You have to be led by Spirit. God knows the heart and each situation is different.
@@sammislethe4698 It’s foolishness
@@sharonhainesNumber1Red Well, it takes bravery to leave. Most women in this situation are trying to be kind and loving because they've been taught to forgive and put up with it.
It's easy to say don't, but sometimes some people have to stop contact with a sibling, especially if that person is determined to be abusive, and won't listen to reason, no matter how nicely it's done. Sometimes you have to involve the police and/or a solicitor. Some people wrongly assume authority over others, to extremes. Some assume this over everyone around them, including spouses, & just won't tolerate even a difference of opinion. It's a horrible thing to see a husband pandering to a domineering wife, like a timid puppy, trying to keep her happy, trying to 'keep the peace'. I sincerely believe that if even a parent and/or a sibling insists upon really deliberately damaging you, to the point you are near to having a mental break, and/or it results in your becoming physically ill, that there is sometimes no option but to walk away. Just how far will you let people go? I grew up watching marital abuse, emotional cruelty, torment. I still grieve for the state of this marriage, & am still wary of marriage, especially as so many pastors often advise people to stay in such situations, some of which can even result in murder. This has happened to some people. Fact.
I endured abuse in my childhood and now I suffer from mental health problems and am on 4 types of medication. Is that what God wanted?
But the Bible says stay away from toxic people or you will be like them or not to argue with a foo for you to become a foo
Priscilla,
Fantastic scripture!
Proverbs 26:3-12… but I especially like 26:4
Do these protocols only apply to abusive Christians?
Definitely no! Call them out from time to time! Truth hurts but sets us all free! Firmly precise and not beating around the bush! K
Miracles do happen. I pray that God makes them see like He did with Apostle Paul. God's not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. In Jesus's name. Amen.
So I'm not working is that the reason people avoiding me?they don't know if I'm working or not... people in church.
What if they are your parent who have abandoned you during years long life-threatening illness? How do I honor them and heal my heart. This happened throughout my late thirties int9 my forties. They refuse to talk about what they did and one is going to become a Christian counselor within the church.
I wanted to go to a Christian counselor but they wanted me to pay.
Jesus said we are to agree with our adversary, if your adversary say go one mile you go two mile,
He also said if your life is treaten here go there, the pharasese take up stone to stone Jesus he always disappear out of the crowd.
If your life is threaten you have to flee.
Jesus tell us in matt 5 who we are in Christ the salt of the earth and the light of the world: the charasteristics we should have as a Christian to Endure Persecution meekness, a pure heart, a peacemaker, they that mourn, the merciful, the poor in Spirit, those who are persecuted for righteousness,
You are the Salt of the Earth
You are the Light of the world.
Wondering if I was under church leadership that were mistreating me? And I supposed to take that? I know in the work place it says to submit to your masters but what if it’s causing depression? What if you are getting picked on by a Church leader?
Get away from those people
People also don't tell the narc what's going on or they say things but the narc don't get it. Some people are avoiding me not even say what's going on, this couple is doing like a murder, and avoiding me when I come near and go fast away as if I have a desease...they torture and this is abusing. I talk about church goers.
Confusing because if he’s saying take mistreatment on the job then what’s the the difference? So confusing.
what about the division stirred up by standing up to emotional abuse?
O interesting. Please I like to know? should we take count until 490 and then forgive no more or should we forgive indefinitely? Sometimes I wonder what did our Lord mean to tell us? Thank you.
He said always forgive no matter how many times, if you don’t forgive others, He won’t forgive you
When I hear endure I think Richard Wurmbrand, but I can use this too
I have an ex who's been trying to break me. He's trying everything in his power to try to get me kicked out of my home so that he can get the home that we bought. What he doesn't know is that his name isn't on the title. He's hurt me and his children are trying to manipulate me by saying lies about me on social media. He's trying hard to get his name on the title, and I'm not going to put his name on the title, because he's so evil and I prayed to God to bind Satan from him. I haven't done anything wrong to him,he would yell at me in front of my neighbors and I have no idea why he's always so mad. I've seen him so mad that I don't know who he is. I'm so confused by his attitude. I believe that Satan has broken us up . He scares me to death. David wants to be a prophet he has said to me a few years ago . But prophets don't treat his loved ones like this.
Do you say to keep away from these people or NOT to keep away ?...because you say the word don't but it seems like if you did not mean to say the word don't. Minute 19:50
Are you talking about just dealing with Christians?
Longsuffering means exactly that…. suffering a very very very very long time. Be longsuffering.. just as God is. Have a gracious and humble attitude of forgiveness most of the time. Matthew 18 is reserved for sins such a adultery, embezzlement, etc., not for difficult relatives. If they are narcs, just limit the interactions, and be extra wise in getting into negative conversations.
That's why many people develop mental illness. Nothing good comes out of abused.
We generally have done all of the above, kept returning to & forgiving abusive ex husband for 25 years, (I was 14 he was 25 when he targeted me) he just learned how to hurt me more intentionally so in the end I fled for my life with a few carrier bags and a 9month old baby, leaving him the house and everything! My sister revealed true colours when I was most vulnerable despite forgiving many hurts.
Many yrs long-suffering.
Have you heard what Chris Watts did to his pregnant wife Shannan and their two innocent daughters...?
We who have looked evil in the face and escaped the clutches of death will never forget what it is like to wrestle with Leviathan. The next time we glimpse him, we are off!! Run, depart as quietly as you can in Jesus mighty name 🙏
@@FaithfulandTrue949 Dear sister,
I too… lived a 49 yr, 9 mo marriage filled with enormous challenges & trials.
I’m sorry for your suffering.
Since widowed 5 yrs ago, I spend much of my time deeply studying books about growing in the LORD, as well as learning about narcs, & also learning about myself.
My trials are increased these days… Only the LORD can turn it all around & reconcile all involved.
The Holy Spirit says, psychology is a doctrine of the Balaam. Revelation 2:14
Referencing the 9 min mark? Which church? There are between 30-40,000 denominations, so which church do you take it to? If a person doesn’t like the decision of the church he is associated with maybe that person can go across the street to another church and get a better decision on their fault. So which church do you take it to? Does the consensus of the church include the 30-40,000 other churches?
Ahh, the true Church are those who follow JESUS CHRIST!
The Catholic church. The Protestant denominations didn't come around until the 1500s.
@@Kelle0284 The word "Catholic" used to mean simply
(the general Church).
It doesn't matter what they call themselves from the 1500's and up, or later, if one belongs to THE LORD, they are a follower of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
@@kimberleerivera3334 I don't know exactly what you're trying to say, or trying to prove. The Catholic church was the original church. The Protestant churches came much later. Then the protestants couldn't even agree on anything, which is why they broke off into so many denominations, while the Catholic church has remained unified.
@@Kelle0284
You can believe what you will, but the (Roman) Catholic Church is not unified in the truth.
And then there is the Greek Orthodox
that left (Roman) Catholicism.
AGood apple doesn't 🍎 make a BAD APPLE
Good👀
No, you pray and ask god the father and his son Jesus to remove you from what your going through..
"I may not be as santified as other viewers" - and there it is - sure maybe you can leave abusive relationships, but it's MORE GODLY to let yourself be ABUSED as long as possible. The more you're abused, the more it pleases God. Anyone else see something wrong with this?
Spiritual repentence is a one time deal!!
May I ask you what exactly you mean by that please?
(SPIRITUAL Repentance?
Thank you.
Yes, I don't know what this means. Would be helpful if you expand on that and explain what it means. Thanks
Umm God let the devil abuse Job all for a bet. Let that sink it.🤨
no
Christ did to the Cross.
you're blabbering
No