Morris Minor Electric Conversion
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Introducing our 1967 Morris Minor Convertible that has been converted to 100% electric power. You can find out more at our website kinghornelectr...
We dont just convert minors and con convert any classic car to electric. Get in touch to have a chat about it.
To be fair...the extra 75kg, is probably the amount of spare parts that your average Morris driver has to carry
I would really like to see one of these videos tell us all how much extra pollution is generated by all of this work and materials as opposed to running it as a petrol car.
Why not be really novel,and convert a leaf to ICE with all the moggy parts,that thought may keep you awake at night
Well one reason for NOT doing it might be that the running costs would be around 3 times higher as an i.c. car............ There's no way I could commute to work and back home again for a full week, for a cost of around £6 in any car with an i.c. engine........... Electric Vehicle Man on this very forum itemised his "fuel" cost for the final 10K miles of ownership of his second Leaf, and the cost - using a tariff for EV owners from Octopus Energy - was £130 for those final 10k miles. Beat that with i.c.........
Hate electric cars but like your classics.
Why do you hate electric cars ???
@@kylereese4822 NO "character", no real sound, no feeling to them. They are expensive and will force us to lose our old classics, becuase to, this electric Morris is no longer a real Morris Minoe. But then again, I am old. Oh and before people start banging on about the environment, there is this: www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/aug/24/nickel-mining-hidden-environmental-cost-electric-cars-batteries
@@Brownalebelly a 3 year out of date report......
@@Brownalebelly www.fwi.co.uk/machinery/4x4s/land-rover-defender-gets-450hp-electric-transformation 600bhp available too.....
@@kylereese4822 How is it out of date? Because it's three years old? Have things changed? If so I haven't read about it, but you are welcome to point me in the direction of a newer article. Thank you.
Great stuff! What is the cheapest EV kit?
Some how stumbled on this video....very interesting seeing this conversion...curious how the GOM is displayed via standard looking dash...? I intend to view more now I’ve found this channel...
I saw you answered another comment to say this car has a range of about 100 miles -- which is perfect for what I'd need. I've seen one other Minor / Leaf conversion with a 40 mile range but with what looked otherwise like a very similar bolt-in/bolt-out conversion; is that difference determined by whether you use 30 kWh modules or 24 kWh modules (can't recall what they used)? Would using 50 kWh modules increase the range further to ~150 miles? Brilliant job, lovely garage, and nice to see the streets of Durham again briefly!
Yes if we used 40 or 62 kw cells well it would increase the range
Very good but what I like about the Moggy is the sound as well as the driving experience surely all the drivetrain has to be updated with all the extra weight and power our can you not put the sound through speakers so at least make it sounds like an old Moggy?? Also environmentally wise you said you sell on the parts of the leaf what happens to the body what happens to the old engines? Can you replace the batteries?
The extr weight is equivalent to an extra person in the car so it can handle it. Power is managed through the custom controller we use. we are working on the sound. We store or refurbish and reuse old engines. The leaf bodies are cut to reuse panels and the remaining metal is recycled. Yes batteries can be replaced anytime but won’t need to be for a long time. :-)
Fantastic what a good concept. Will be down to see you in Durham
I get the Electric Transition, and embracing the future and all that kind of thing but a Moggy without the characteristic engine and exhaust sound has lost half its charm, it’s like having fish n chips without any salt n vinegar, or having an Orange without the Orange taste.
Owning a classic Moggy is not all about the looks.
Not sure electric is the future.
It will cost more than the car is worth to do,
Would have been nice to use the fuel filler opening for the charge point rather than the grill mount one
attach an old AA or RAC badge to the port lid problem solved..... :):)
Does it go “Faaaaaaarrrpp” on the overrun?
thats what I was thinking would be one of the things that I would miss from this conversion.
It does now pull up hills though :)
I've always spelled it 'pwaaahhh'.
Great conversion. How did you get on with DVSA CEC 100.01 test & the DVLA IVA test. How did the insurance company react to this.
See you have a Minor convertible in your showroom 152 XKE , this was one iof several Moggys collected by a Mr Atkins. He also had a traveller, a van, and a pickup. My son and I were privileged enough to restore all of these for him .
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No mention of price, range and I assume no re gen, and the sound cutting out makes me suspicious of the noise level. I'm not a fan of running it through the old gearbox adding extra weight and friction for no purpose, I can't see why it would be so hard to remove it and make it direct drive from a reducer to the wheels.
Re the gearbox... you are of course correct that a gearbox adds weight and friction, but so does a reducer which is, after all, a one-speed gearbox.
It is entirely possible to do away with the gearbox but like all things it needs engineering. The chassis is already designed to take the original gearbox, the propshaft is aligned to the original gearbox, so by doing this you save an appreciable amount of engineering (especially if the goal is to have a reversible conversion) as well as keeping the original interior.
Also, even with an EV you can benefit from multiple gear ratios even though most production EV cars don't have them. Increased wheel torque at lower speeds can make it easier to drive around hilly historic cities, and lower motor speeds at high road speeds can make the NVH a bit better on a cruise. You can get by without them (as production Nissan Leafs are testament to) but that doesn't mean they're not useful.
Top (4th gear) is in effect 'direct drive'. The first motion (Input) shaft is directly coupled to the mainshaft. The laygear just idles ie. drive is not transmitted through it.
@@Ampex196 Direct drive is not much use on an EV, that's the whole problem, in this case it's using the low tech gears in the original box instead of a much simpler and up to date reducer.
@@donkmeister I own a 1971 Beetle EV, with Tesla batteries powering it! The gearbox and Competition Clutch have all been retained. I have to agree with you, that it makes no sense to just have a single speed, with the Main Motor screaming at maximum RPM, like Motorway work. It really is the very best of both worlds. Around the towns, it starts on steep hills in 2nd gear. No handbrake starts either, because you can 'feather' the accelerator pedal as a 'hill hold' feature (short time periods) on steep hills. Main Motor is much more than the Nissan Leaf at 125 HP with 173ft/lbs torque. With Regen as Brake Assist. Most important feature is the Battery Cooling, which Nissan Leaf didn't get right. Also, the use of Nissan Leaf (second hand used) batteries in any conversion, is a "best guess" situation on Range. Who would ever want a professional conversion done in this way? Simply translated - spend the money on batteries, because you will have no surprises. My Beetle a whole lot of fun and a real pleasure to drive! Greetings from Australia.
I'm not technical but I think this is a beautiful car and evokes nice memories ,thank you.
Ooh, an "E" reg. They are a bit special, as that was only half a year. (Jan to July 1967.)
I noticed that. Sacrilege!!
Nice, giving old cars a new lease of life.
Never seen a program on the legalities. Road Tax classification, Mot, insurance, DVLA specification. Would be interested. Just a thought
Dougie Brown Thx for the info. I wasn’t sure because of structural changes and the weight, brakes etc you’d need a engineers report for the insurance.
Such a shame to "convert" such a lovely car. You've done it no favors.
Thanks for your view. It’s exactly the same car, no modifying, we just changed the propulsion unit.
How much does this conversion cost?
Do you have any video"s of the work that was involved while you were restoring that moggy? it would be nice to see the condition it was in before you started? i think if you converted a Traveller you would not lose as much boot space? its gotta be a better option & more practical?! Great work your doing, i think im hooked now?;)
No electric conversions, but Charles Ware of Bristol offers many modifications to help to bring Morris Minors up to date. He offers a full restoration service too, along with things like alternator conversions, disc brakes, suspension modifications, electric power steering, a 1300cc engine upgrade, a 5 speed ex Ford gearbox conversion etc. You can even have heated windscreens, both front and rear if you wish, along with a heater upgrade. If you're into Morris 1000's his website is well worth a look. I'd buy one of his fully restored Travellers in a heartbeat if I had the cash to spare. You'd be looking at £25k plus for a nice one though......
Can someone please tell me I just don’t understand it why rip the heart out of a classic car when there is no need to. Petrol will be around for a long time and diesel yet! So taking a zombie car to a car show what ever you do don’t open the bonnet as there is nothing there. It’s now a ghost car. And the BMC a series engine was brilliant on fuel economy 40 Mpg + anyway. The heart shape combustion chamber is the most efficient design for an overhead 4 stroke engine. With using today’s technology the A series cylinder head will produce more power and still retain its fuel economy + still using the std camshaft!
Hi Paul, thanks for taking the time to comment. to answer what I think is your question(s) There is no need to take the engine (if thats the heart) out of the car, its nearly an option if you want to change to a better system. It's been going on since the cars were new, you may have noticed quite a few Minors with Rover v8s and Fiat twin cams. As with those this is an upgrade but to a more powerful, smooth engine that doesn't produce any tail pipe emissions. As you appear to be a fan of drag racing it also give much better acceleration as all of the torque is available from zero (A drag racers dream is it not?) Ive never seen any information about the A series being the most efficient combustion chamber - could you send me a link - sounds fascinating, however at the end of the day its still boring fuel that cant be recycled and is causing harm to the environment. As with everything in life classic EV conversions aren't for everyone but if we didnt try different things there would never have been any Hot Rodding etc would there?
At least your electrified Morris 1000 would go better than a petrol one l did notice you deleated the spare wheel well l would not drive any car unless it has a spare wheel and a full size one at that in Australia the spare wheel is ecsentual l have a full size spare wheel on my 25 year old Toyota Hilux a luxury item
Good looking conversion ! Would it still keep the Road Tax and MOT exemptions after conversion ?
Oh no, a Moggie Minor which could outrun my Hillman Avenger.
We can do the same (or more powerful) conversion to any classic car
Hello and this is a 1967 Morris Minor Convertible we have ruined!
Luckily it's all reversible. But I don't know many enthusiasts who could fork out TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS AND ABOVE, to then say " Nah, don't like that, back to original" or any future buyers doing the same.
My question is why? The whole point of a classic car is for the driving experience . I cannot ever forsee me removing the engine of my 63 Austin A35 van and replacing it with the guts of a Nissan leaf ! Why not just buy the Leaf in the first place .?
Aesthetic
I can see a day in the not so distant future, when petrol will be hard to find.
@@drewwatts7867 Hopefully, I will be long gone by then !
Really? The thing I love about classic cars is the look and the looks from people you pass by. The old school mechanicals is a negative to some of us.
Great stuff. But can you do road test video without the music so that we can hear the transmission and motor noises? as it is we could be watching any old moggie (albeit a lovely one) ;-)
I like the idea of this but its not very practical with no boot space and what is that hanging down under the front bumper I has such hopes for this but very disappointed in how it turned out.
All I see is a beautiful, historic car that was turned into a golf cart. That's not an accomplishment, it's a crime.
Nice job!
I just realized that there is no trunk/boot space in most of these beautiful converted classics. And i know the Nissan Leaf had a very short range initially. What's the range on this Morris Minor conversion?
And what's the top speed? 🤓
And top speed?🤓
.... am considering doing my Land Rover (I am on my second LEAF now, and my father has one too which may become a donor vehicle ?) would you share how you have got around the ecu/computer interface, do you use one of those plug in things from holland ? - do you use a servo on the brakes ? regards Andy
I see this is now on Ebay, conversion for about £25000 for a second hand leaf motor and batteries? Also in the video it is standard suspension, I am glad my Moggy on standard suspension doesn't bounce around like that, I would get sea sick. The concept is possibly good for around cities etc but get out to Rural areas where a round trip is possibly 150 miles with no charge points?
One day this might be needed, but frankly why do it now - or for the foreseeable future. Pre 1983 cars are exempt form the ULEZ. The tech will massively improve, AND quite possible that petrol cars will outlast all EV's. Might be a good business, but I think their customers are attracted by the gimmick.
or how to ruin a classic
to girfriend no not the petrol pump ....... oh no ...... why is it a diesel ? ...... ///// lovely moggies .... tick
Pity that each time the car passed the camera, you cut the sound.
GEOFF0906 - we noticed that - its the camera that cuts the sound, will try to fix it on the next video
This car will be an instant superhit in India 2024.
Lovely, but how do the gearbox and back axle cope with the massive torque from 0rpm of an electric motor? I like the idea that this is a reversible conversion though. What's the range?
Range is around 100 miles. We program the custom ECU to deliver the torque and power safely. Making it reversible was always a key goal.
Glad it’s reversible. Otherwise could lead to embarrassing Isetta/ brick wall situations
Don't care what anybody says spoilt it
A van would be nice, you could keep the spare wheel and still have plenty of space in the back. Lovely job guys, well done.
Why make these classics worse instead of better. These cars are ruined, I will never accept electric cars of any type. Such sad days of these cars. This does NOT save the planet .
Thanks for commenting. As with everything in life, what one person likes another may not. I wouldn't agree with your opinion on ruining the car - everything is reversible and we have used as much of the original components as possible.
Vastly increased bhp but still with drum brakes and the same old suspension? Those components were insufficient with the old petrol engine.
Power is turned down to suit the vehicle. electric motors brake using regeneration so no need to upgrade brakes. Car weighs approx 75kg more than original so not much more.
Why would anyone think of doing something so NASTY to a national treasure 🤮the unique sound of that little engine🤮
Thanks for the comment. These conversions are not for everyone. I imagine that some people dont like to see V8s or Fiat twin cams put into Morris Minors. Electrification means they can be used everyday and are now 0% tailpipe emission. Our conversions do not alter the vehicles structure at all. In fact you could take it all out and fit refit the petrol motor if you wanted. Can I ask what your opinion is on the V8, fiat twin cam etc conversions?
You should be able to mount the spare wheel under the bonnet above its cross member.
The batteries sit there. We now have the boot floor installed and a spare could go on top if needed. Will make a video about it.
But does it make that lovely moggy farty noise?
Fortunately/Unfortunately not :-)
@@KinghornElectricVehicles Can you recreate a synthesised 'fart'?
GEOFF0906 we are working with an exhaust company to offer engine noise as an option
Can I ask out of curiosity, how does the heating system on the car work ?
No more of the famous farting noise when changing gear.
I would be alarmed and extremely upset - if any Conversion Specialist placed the Charge Port right in the centre of the Morris Radiator Grille. It advertises the fact that the Morris is electric, which may increase the chance of theft of the Morris. Secondly, any passer-by can open the Charge Port, or even vandalise it!! This should be ONE HUGE EMBARRASSMENT for the Conversion specialist, who has damaged the aesthetics of a beautiful Classic Car..... Sir, you have done the car no favours at all. Charge Port should have been hidden away.
There's no starting handle! 🤷♂️
So in order to come away with an electric Morris Minor, a Nissan Leaf has to die!
I don't mourn the passing of any Nissan. But this might be a bottleneck in terms of supply. What we need is a Lithium battery manufacturer based in the UK, and not committed to supplying new cars - a nice start-up situation for university engineering graduates, with experimental inclinations, I would think. They are not going to compete with Tesla in terms of scale of production.
Electric or otherwise, the finish on that MM convertible is exquisite.
Only 24 extra holes 😂
Sacrilege!
Thanks for your comment. It’s all bolt in, we haven’t cut it changed the car in any way.
I absolutely love this concept, how cool! Not just because it gives classics a new lease of life, but as a paraplegic who uses hand controls I can’t drive any of the old beauties as they’re nearly all manual. This idea changes that! Maybe one day, a Series II Landy could work for me after all!
www.fwi.co.uk/machinery/4x4s/land-rover-defender-gets-450hp-electric-transformation no gearbox just 3-4 push buttons on the dash for making it move :) the buttons can be put in any car, 4x4 etc :):)
How about this ?? ua-cam.com/video/DXGKt8sK8CQ/v-deo.html 600hp 1000kg Tesla powered Beetle....
You'd be able to endure that uncomfortable ride longer than us mere mortals
Beautifully done ✅
ideal for shopping or a weekend camping trip. so much room in the boot for a couple of extra mates coming back from the pub, looking forward to the rear seats disappearing to provide battery room for an extra 30 mile range.
It's very bouncy even more than the original minor I think but it's a good idea all the same look fabulous keep the good work coming all the best from Ireland
Electric engine in Classic cars ? DISASTER! It not for my Morris Minor Traveller. Thank you very much.
Thanks for your opinion :-) That’s what makes the world great, we all have different opinions and are able to share them!
Splendid work! 👌🏻
Any issues envisaged with battery temp and potential management thereof?
Next project to convert a 1928 Bentley to electric, and install a large sat nav on dashboard
Just SO interesting and informative 👏👏👏👏 happy to subscribe 😀🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
how to spoil a perfectly good classic car,. strip it of its originality by turning it into a Nissan Leaf
What is the range of Morris minor, ? I’m very interested,😀👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Hi will i be able to convert my vw polo 52 to electric. Thanks. The morris looks great.
Where is the motor? That would have made for a more interesting video to tie the batteries in with the power unit.
nice..nice..
morris minor deserves to be electrified...
In my opinion, the gearboxes of the cars that are later converted to electricity should be active and gears should be selected.
Minor's gearbox sound is very nice and nostalgic.. very nice..
I wouldn't want gears in my ev. Seamless and silent is great thanks.
Can you do an EV conversion on a mk1 Golf? A good friend of has a lovely example that's been in his family since new. But living in London it's getting difficult to use without Citizen Khan extorting money out of him. EV conversion would be ideal.
Yes we can do that. Take a look at www.caev.co.uk for a bit more detail and contact us via chat or email then we can discuss details
Clean build and beautiful color! I like the seats too. Why is it that electric conversions companies rarely mention range? As an electric car owner (2 Tesla’s, X & S) I can tell you that range is an issue-especially in a conversion.
Range on this conversation is 80 to 100 miles, depending on the wether. There are many variable that make it herd to determine the range on a EV conversion, wether, battery condition (if the batterys are not brand new) and the weigh of the car it self can all effect the range. When we made this video we were still testing the range the of the car and did not include it in the video.
I dont know why Im not a fan of electric vehicles. Maybe I'll start considering it, when I see the day F1racing use electric cars.
Formula E maybe? F1 are already hybrid. And Tesla's just announced a car that accelerates faster than a Porsche 917/30 CanAm. Nothing shabby about EVs. And if you have a good enough sound system you can make it sound like anything like like inside.
looks good, what controller are you using for the leaf ?
Couldnt u put boot board back on top of relay.in boot and put spare.wheel.on top
Well I like the sound of my 1098cc A series engine so I won’t be forking out for this on my Moggy.
Plus I wouldn’t like the increase in weight and loss of boot space.
Also blindingly obvious is the cut off of the sound every time the car goes past the camera...why?
What sort of range can you get out of the electric Minor conversion?
Je Doka around 100 miles
No that useful then
It’s a match for a lot of modern EVs and if you require more range we can look at using other modules etc
Classic And Electric Vehicles I would assume the last ten miles is bit sweaty? But I would sacrifice 5 miles of range for making it go”Fraaarrrrrpppp” on shutting the throttle.
Need my traveller all eletric would be nice in this no pollution world,🙂
Give us a shout to discuss www.caev.co.uk
Amazing that range and performance was not mentioned in this video. Performance less important but why would you not talk about range?
Hi Daz - its been a while since I watched the video but Im pretty sure I mentioned it has a range of around 100 miles. More videos coming soon now we are easing out of covid19 lockdown.
@@KinghornElectricVehicles hi, thanks for that, my apologies, I watched the video thoroughly but must have missed it!! Great video and great work you are doing, will be following your channel now 👍🚙
@@KinghornElectricVehicles In the case of a van (with more space and better weight distribution), how much range can be added before the additional weight starts to work against the extra range?
Great video thanks for sharing new subscriber 👍
Surely when you have a classic car you want to keep its integrity, this is what keeps these cars high on collector's lists. People pay enough for there pride and joy without having to shell out for a conversion to electric, what would you prefer, the sound of a growing V8 or the wine of an electric motor, all my classic car show friends say its sacrilege to do this to a classic or modern classic car and I think this electric idea will offend most of us petrol heads. It's not for me, but if some people want to do this well good luck to them.
RB5steve Number 90 it’s not really the point the point is that petroleum Scorsese of fuel are only going to be around for another 30 to under 30 year so the sooner people start converting and keeping classics on the road the better
@@rory455 Surely the later you do it the better. The tech in 20 years could be completely different. And there is no need to do it now. Pre 1983 cars, for instance, are exempt from ULEZ.
Why don't you try fiat millicento convert electric car
destined for good things i'm very sure.... well done
Thanks this is my first favorite car a awosom
Want a woody!
We are doing one of those next so subscribe to the channel to keep up to date :-)
Worth telling the Morris minor owners club about what you do
oh lord no....some of them pull out pitchforks if it's not the right shade of drab grey
Sacrilege!
Standard brakes designed in the 40s with nearly 3 times the power is simply irresponsible. Find 2 motors with 25hp each and ditch the gearbox, propshaft and rear axle. It's a 40mph tootle kind of car not a motorway at 80 machine.
You don’t have to push the throttle all the way down if you don’t want to go fast. The motor has regeneration which does a great deal of the braking
@@KinghornElectricVehicles I reckon I could boil the fluid in 5 minutes. You can't spec it assuming the next customer is as sensitble as the first. Less power is fine or some front discs.
The aim was to see if the standard components could cope. If you wanted to drive in a spirited fashion it’s easy to upgrade the brakes and suspension. Just let us know what you want when you order yours
@@KinghornElectricVehicles but surely there's going to be people out there who will automatically assume what's already there is more than capable of handling all the changes?
This is Classic car abuse! What a place to put the charging socket!
£25’000 for a Moggi Minor.......hollow laugh ensues.
Where do I put the suitcase
The ICE engine is lost in the depths of the moggie's huge engine bay, which is so big it was almost made for conversion
Type 1 charging socket: so old fashioned!
Can be any type charge socket but we tried to use as many leaf parts as possible.
Woud you be able to do this to any classic car?
Yes we can - visit www.caev.co.uk to get our contact details
There has to be a better way of doing this... 🤔
Genius
Can I have price idea about ready to sell moris minor?
tesoridellasia www.caev.co.uk should have all the answerrs
@@KinghornElectricVehicles Well, I looked and saw a Merc EV Conversion. The choice of materials for the battery Containment (both front and back) was manufactured from square tubular Mild Steel. WHY? Aluminium design is the ultimate for battery Boxes, and passes certification in my country. remember that this additional mass will definitely affect range.
Just subscribed, really interesting, maybe one day I'll get my Allegro electric converted.....
What’s the point ?
This is brilliant…. bringing a classic car into the future ….love it.
nice stuff. hopefully this type of conversion will become more common as time goes by.
Unfortunately the cost alone will probably force 95% of classics off the road. Yes it should come down a little over time, and kits will be available for the mechanically proficient but for the rest of us it'll be time to find a new hobby.
@@stevehadfield5963 i think you my be right to some extent. but i don't think the classic cars will not all go off the road. we do have large numbers of steam engines still going thanks to enthusiasts. hopefully the same thing will happen with classic cars as it would be very sad to see them all go into retirement.