President Mbeki you are a statesman. You worked hard to build powerful institutions to curb corruption, geed and mismanagement of natural resources. Your legacy and history will say it all. Great leader who never betrayed his people.
What did he do with 2/3 majority. He left the land with white people. All he did benefited the whites. ANC is captured. We are lead by people who are enriching themselves and forgetting the masses.
we are in a democratic country and you have right to vote whichever party you want to vote for. remember its a secret ballot i can also say i will vote for the mk, and then in reality vote for another party
@@siphosakhemajola9136 Grew the economy by 6% per annum, corruption was less under his administration , there was more foreign investment during his time, unemployment rate was low and fuel price was low. After that illiterate criminal jacob zuma occupied from 2009 he destroyed all of that.
@@simonshibambu7286I’m convinced that our country is teaming with nitwits these people think these black elites will change anything not their pockets.
Thabo Mbeki will realise how intelligent Jacob Zuma is ,after saying he is a member of ANC yet forming a party that will compete ANC at election same confused ANC come back and say “MK” is ours .Lets help Mbeki to understand this :Is quite clear coalition goverment of some sort will govern at national .MK party will possibly ,If Ramaphosa accept to resign be a secret weapon of ANC but if he doesn’t accept that the the ANC will be gone .The ball will at that time be in the ANC’s court .This politics at its complexity and we should accept that .Zuma can’t seat and watch ANC drowning into the hands of the colonists ,white racists .He can’t again watch IFP selling KZN to the white racits through multiparty charter and he is through the other side deriving a possible rescue .Wake up Thabo Mbeki i still rate you as one of the best presidents we ever had but my question still remain why didn’t you do something with our constitution when you had 2/3 majority to could fix it to serve better the people of this country !
Very well 👌🏿 articulated comrade 😂intelligence left anc politics with RETs and Zuma He’d 2/3 majority but was busy making poems till to date Zuma Acts and talks lesser
The Honarable Former President Thabo Mbeki has SPOKEN... Maybe his last question should have been " why did the Guptas run away from South Africa"? You will hear how quiet those who were fed curry will be coz they know the obvious anwer😂😂😂
some of you speak as if you are not leaving in the country, freedom charter, nothing has been implemented? electricity to black people, social grants, water etc. black people enjoy degrading themselves. whites never do that, they don't even vote for a black party, they feed you lies as if you can't see yourselves. they give you feed back about the very same country you are living in.
30 years later still talking about freedom charter. what has your ANC done to implement those policies mr President? when others want to take over and implement them you get chest pains...
He never healed from the 2007 Polokwane Conference. History will remember him as the ANC President who had 2/3 but never returned the land to the rightful owners, because he thinks settlers are also rightful owners.
This man is Old. You should have way forward. If freedom charter has errors it needs to be corrected because it was not cast on stone. Freedom charter is not divine it can be corrected. But people will go to the grave pointing errors and not bringing their own point of departure. At least EFF has a point of departure that land shall be taken into state custody and be given to anyone on lease, as long as it will benefit the citizens. I loved this man especially when he said " our people are encouraged by the fact that today is better than yesterday and tomorrow will be better than today. But today we are on a reverse gear which means that hope is diminishing.
You spend lot of time in USA and UK during struggle, you're compromised. You were leading CODESA negotiations what you have achieved for black people there beside freedom of vote? Hypocritically politics that's so low of you. Let the EFF and MK together have more than +50% you'll feel the real chest pain
This is the true man to lead a ctry like sA. I have been following his speech, be it on Congo or the failure of SA government & he is right & his suggestions & recommendations are fairly right.
😊😊😊Sorry I know u are angry, if U go back and listen again, most of his dabate was based on public reports, U can look at them as tell us Ur view. 😅😅 Will wait
ANC, DA EFF FF are all right-wing organizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the aspirations of Black People. Ask their members like Mbeki, Malema, Mulder, Zuma, and the rest of the criminal syndicate. One of the scenes of crime is Luthuli House 😮
A man who is knighted into the Order of St Johns also cannot be trusted. His allegiances are elsewhere. Nothing intellectual about it. The fact is their oaths do not allow them to transform the lives of the ordinary African Child. Perhaps Zuma still has a bit of an unseared conscious left since his has not sold out to the illuminatti.
You lost me when you ended your well-scripted comment with 'perhaps Zuma still has .......................' . Zuma or Mbeki need to step aside . This way we'd solve the problem resulting cult personalities . Competent people would emerge . Voters would stop voting with their stomachs . This is the future of our children that we are toying with when we pledge our allegiance to the very same people who let us down in the past three decades . When are we going to learn 🤔
Mbeki is bitter, he must re-visit his decision to nail the TRC Victims, he must be seen as one of the presidents who promoted Poverty during his tenure He will never talk about that
@@saneledlambulo let me tell you what I know.....I know that my blood which was poured in the jails of this country has watered this democracy you are enjoying today......where was your Mbeki at that time? He can say whatever he wants to because he has a very good English but he cannot tell me nothing including you who is asking me what do I know...I hope this addresses whatever concern you have...you and your Mbeki must go back to England where you enjoyed better life while we're where dying like flies here at home and never choose to run away
Zondo’s job wasn’t to prove anything. It was to enquire what happened, how it happened by who, by allowing people to come forward and tell what happened. Some people did, some ran away like JZ.
Zondo is alleging, does not provinde proof of his assumption. Nothing from his enquiry suggest the conclusions he made about President Zuma on SARS@@The_Truth777
but his phalanges are not dripping with corruption, consitutional deliquency and rogue politics like Zuma, so what are you talking about,? yes, he did make some big mistakes, but he continues to look athe Bigger Picture which is South Africa for all South Africa, unlike Jacob Zuma the ex-convict
Recently he adressed a gathering in which he categorically on face stated that Ramaphosa did nothing of the concerns he mentioned existing within the Party(self cleansing).He ( Pres Ramaphosa) looked down wishing he could bury his face.
People love mediocre things. Mbeki did not just serve SA well but Africa and scared the West due his stance on Aids issue, but our people shem cannot appreciate intelligence. Ignorance is bliss to them, no wonder we just fight and destroy one another
President Zuma collapsed the ANC. It took 100 years to build the ANC and Under his leadership the ANC lost and he wants to destroy what's left of it with MK. He will go down in history as a Man who collapsed the revolutionary movement. He triggered the cope formation by overthrowing Mbeki, fired Malema who created EFF and now MK.
Mr. IS. POSITIVE. YES. BUT SHARE. IS. NOT. THERE. AMONG. BLACKS. AND. WHITES..LET. HIM. DIFIN..IZWE. LETHU...MAYIBUYE..SIKELELA. IAFRIKA. AS. WELL. THE. DA. ONS. SAL. STERWE. ..ONS. LEWE...IAM. STILL SAYING. THERE IS. NO. SHARE IN. SA LET. ALONE BRITANE. IT. IS. OVER. OU
He was a good President economy was growing, inflation contained, rand was strong, interest rates low, crime low, unemployment low and middle class was growing...respect Sir❤
Malema once said to Lekota, when concience has left you, you forget who are you people. Well Mbheki you have never had a political will to fight to black people , you are weak. We can not dwell much more on you , you left us with poems. Viva MK viva!!!!
Wisdom and discernment are inherent gifts, whereas foolishness is a conscious decision. If you choose to follow imprudent advice, that's on you. Nevertheless, permit us to provide you with some insight. Mbeki's political position seems remarkably inconsistent. Not too long ago, he adamantly declared his refusal to support any criminal, particularly in the aftermath of the Phalaphala incident. Yet, a mere few months later, he censures Zuma for his involvement with MK, conveniently disregarding his previous criticisms of Ramaphosa and the derogatory language he used. Now, you have the audacity to claim that listening is a skill. My friend, while you may possess the physical ability to hear, it seems you lack the genuine desire to truly understand. I doubt you'll grasp our perspective, especially considering the narrow-mindedness of your views. Let me elucidate further: Mbeki's affiliation with the Knights of Malta and his mission to undermine black consciousness still grants him platforms to carry out the agendas of his secret society overlords. Have you noticed the recent resurgence of media attacks against Zuma? They lack substance because they've exhausted their arsenal of propaganda, particularly in the age of 2024 where information is freely accessible. It's only individuals like yourself who continue to place faith in the nonsensical narratives propagated by the mainstream media outlets you insist on consuming.
Wisdom and discernment are inherent gifts, whereas foolishness is a conscious decision. If you choose to follow imprudent advice, that's on you. Nevertheless, permit us to provide you with some insight. Mbeki's political position seems remarkably inconsistent. Not too long ago, he adamantly declared his refusal to support any criminal, particularly in the aftermath of the Phalaphala incident. Yet, a mere few months later, he censures Zuma for his involvement with MK, conveniently disregarding his previous criticisms of Ramaphosa and the derogatory language he used. Now, you have the audacity to claim that listening is a skill. My friend, while you may possess the physical ability to hear, it seems you lack the genuine desire to truly understand. I doubt you'll grasp our perspective, especially considering the narrow-mindedness of your views. Let me elucidate further: Mbeki's affiliation with the Knights of Malta and his mission to undermine black consciousness still grants him platforms to carry out the agendas of his secret society overlords. Have you noticed the recent resurgence of media attacks against Zuma? They lack substance because they've exhausted their arsenal of propaganda, particularly in the age of 2024 where information is freely accessible. It's only individuals like yourself who continue to place faith in the nonsensical narratives propagated by the mainstream media outlets you insist on consuming.
president Thabo Mbeki is right to call them out,but in his reign the land was still the issue,is still an issue and under the anc,wil still be an issue
@@pet-jn5bi indeed my Brother, what does "the land belong to those who work the land" even mean? Mxm in Africa we have a huge problem of leaders like him period.
If you took stock of our currency, the Rand, you would know that the Rand was the the strongest EVER, against the US DOllar and Pound Sterling (just name a few) under his rule. For the current exchange raye, just watch SABC or listen to SAFM for your update. And the slide started with JZ. It did do. RM sustained it.
Thats not true,during his reign 2002 the rand traded at 10.52 to the USD. And then it ranged between 6rand to the dollar up to 8rands to the dollar. What do mean by saying it was stronger than the dollar let alone the Pound?
Thabo Mbeki did nothing wrong, You are just experiencing cognitive dissonance because he is reminding you how filthy corrupt jacob zuma is and he was extremely incompetent and could not even read. Whether you like it or not he will never govern this country ever again.
Mbeki is rich upstairs, what a wise man! God has blessed him with such incredible insights into life and politics. May God preserve him; the world still needs this esteemed man.Blessed is the womb that bore such an astute man.There is a lot to learn from this gentleman
This man is the one that let to thousands dying of HIV/AIDS because he was told that he was rich upstairs to oppose scientist while he was economist. He refused to get ARV's @@mphumzadlamini5480
1st it was ramapjosa u criticize now u are against Zuma..but not surprised u hated Zuma long tm ago..i do understand those in front of u just clap hands if they may ask questions from u they will just clap hands because those invited are just next to yr corrupt organisation..U are 2 late why don't u speak about cl17 or phalaphala or about u as u failed 2 lead..invite also Mk then we will ask question not just listen and clap hands
Guilty consciousness is burning 🔥 him. Mbeki is trying to clear his name and it's too late for that. All former president was part of the ANC government which fails the people of SouthAfrica. But now their busy criticizing one another.
@Mrdjmavi. Mentioning the two commissions was the lowest he (Mr Mbeki) could have done. Zondo mentioned Pres Ramaphosa as the mesiah who stopped the state capture but forgetting that the very person was incharge of the very same looted soe's as head of goverment business. Secondly when Molefe provided the commission with evidence that pointed to the then DP Ramaphosa, Zondo ignored it. The Nugent commission outcomes were bit funny because there was no looting but the word 'destroy' was mentioned. Now how do you destroy a state institution that is collecting over 80% of the government revenue as a sitting President? Your job as a president depend on the revenue sars is collecting.
But who doesn't know Zondos agenda??? Agh, Poor Mbeki!!! But what about the allegations made about those Zondo did not follow through. Hypocrite thus one!!!
Hhhm!!! He wanted a Third Term in 2008. To do what then? To put another heavy Yorke of iron on our necks to please London and Big Corporates? He's the one who came up with labour brokers ( Slavery) . And Europe fought Labour broker in the 18th century and one of our own decided to implement it.
This is the very same man who once said the Eskom load shedding was manufactured by the Ramaphosa era and also said Brian Molefe was a good man for Eskom .Askhohliwe😂😂
This one he criticized anc even said he won't vote for it because he care more about his benefits from the anc he can't stand for the truth he's coward he might be bribed by ramaphosa already
It is funny how all this president's never took responsibility for failing during their time in government they are all the same,the problem is the ANC and myb the system of government that we are using as the country
when you Analyse the past three president it is clear the we heard an Academic Economist president, The Peoples president lastly by a Billionaire Capitalist leader.
great statesman Mbeki his phalanges are not dripping with the red palam oli, that siw hy he can speak truth to power his variables outsmarts , outwits his non variables
Zuma was big big mistake for South Africa... the ANC put him there. He was a case of cadre deployment that went wrong at a national government level. They should've rather made him a minister without portfolio. There many capable Zulu politicians within the ANC as there have been over the years. After Mbeki and Mandela all the country was leaderless. They put an uneducated polygamist as president what did they expect? We here because of ANC deployment of incompetence cadres as President and Ministers. Do you think Zuma would articulate and apply his mind like this man here, do you see Zuma having a conversation with Academics? He preys on poor underprivileged ppl in the villages n those who privileged they with him for self business benefit and gain due to his popularity with ignorant and opportunistic ANC followers. Its what Malema used him for when he campaigned for him to be ANC President in 2009.
@@ntoimjiyako1777 Zuma is far from being smart... its that plain n simple. There are many wise smart Zulu people today n in the past. ANC should've done better, they failed black ppl. That man was a mistake. I say no more
He will never recover or heal from that spectacular defeat. He even tried to refuse to leave office to a point where Mandela had express his disapproval by stating that and I quote ' When the batons have passed have passed '. It was after that statement from Mandela that he then announced his resignation . We then had Cope
Mr President you should know that we know that Mrs Mbeki is the one who proposed Thuli Madonsela's name to be the Public Ptotector. Zuma being Zuma who believes that there is good in every human being appointed her. I believe many people would not have appointed to such position someone proposed by his or her sworn enemy. I personally would not have done it.
Bangakhuluma baphalaze Zizi wena you've never betrayed ANC like lomgodoyi wekhehle Home is home noma kunjani awuphumi uhlasele ikhaya ukhuluma ungaphakathi kant amakhanda enu kwenzekani ngawo Ndicabanga after election kumele kuyohlolwa imiqondo yabantu
So your mind engadingi kuhlolwa can't remember that this Mbeki was behind the formation of Cope and his mother publicly said she is a member of Cope and this stupid madala said his vote is secrete thereafter
He said people are imgodoi, and was not suspended or charged. what the difference between a person who call others monkeys or baboons and the one who refer them as imgodoi?
We fought for this anc before so called freedom but the same people we fought for started deploying friends and made corrupt deals especially him. Mbeki made the anc to arrogantly neglecting us especially when you are an independent thinker you are systematically destroyed and isolated So we moved on with EFF and Mk to get our African dream
Siyabonga Mkhulu Thabo Mbeki. Yes we worn a few wins during your time. We celebrated you during your time. It remains the truth you did not do what Afrikaners did for their white people, which was full employment.
✊amandla mbheki, the one who didn't lead with an hungry stomach because we can see ANC former leaders who are pushing the agenda of eating they are busy ,,they are trying their best sheim
One failed South Africans in one area, another one in one area and the current President is swimming in worse problems, I cant help it but to feel for the coming President... We appreciate all the works the ruling party has done under these Conditions. Truth is ANC has failed period!!!
We are blessed to still have veterans like former President like Thabo Mbeki.
Struuu
Say what you say, this man sounds like a true president
Leaders are born .
Definitely. He was the last sane president will ever have period. Not this current bafoons and the ones coming in future
Agree my Brother
😂😂 true president nah this guy sold his poeple
Absolutely a smart man
Watching from Zambia. Legends of Africa talking
Maybe you admire him, but he not a legend in RSA.
Legend of Africa 🌍madoda
Legend of what?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mention one good thing he did for the people of the Eastern Cape.
And let me tell you what Zuma did in the eastern cape
This one is Useless
@@sibusheziudoti Thabo mbhemu 😂akaze enze lutho lo 😅
President TM nailed it🔥
say it again brother
Where did he nailed it? All this where just aligations even zondo failed to prove any of this we are not foolish🤷🏾♂️
im sure yu white
He forgot to mention COPE
@@RichMasemola
You forgot to mention that he never left the ANC.
President Mbeki you are a statesman. You worked hard to build powerful institutions to curb corruption, geed and mismanagement of natural resources. Your legacy and history will say it all. Great leader who never betrayed his people.
What did he do with 2/3 majority. He left the land with white people. All he did benefited the whites. ANC is captured. We are lead by people who are enriching themselves and forgetting the masses.
The truth is the truth if it hurts then you must know it is genuinely the truth.Take it or leave it. Good luck
Exactly malema always says South African people they don't want the truth 💯
What truth,why did he kept quiet for too long without informing the nation, It is too late now
Truth my foot he never speak truth this busted he's a sellout same like mandela
They all cheered zuma when sars was persuing malema now he’s your worst nightmare
okusalayo I am voting Mk party
He was not canvassing your votes, just telling the facts🔥
we are in a democratic country and you have right to vote whichever party you want to vote for. remember its a secret ballot i can also say i will vote for the mk, and then in reality vote for another party
@@Votanimestuvela ekugcineni, i say i will vote MK
@@MrMarcusMars Sisonke Gaz'lam 🖤💚🖤
Hamba juba, bayokuhluba pambili ✊🏽
Say what you will but we are Voting for MK.
Zuma will take you back to the Anc.Ask him why he wants an c membership back.Zuma is playing you .
Mbeki was never perfect... Even though he was and still is the best President in the Republic Of South Africa we ever had...
What did he do?
@@siphosakhemajola9136 Grew the economy by 6% per annum, corruption was less under his administration , there was more foreign investment during his time, unemployment rate was low and fuel price was low.
After that illiterate criminal jacob zuma occupied from 2009 he destroyed all of that.
this guy is very bitter, we had to capture sars in order to pursue a radical transformation drive.
@@siphosakhemajola9136 he built midupi and kusile.
Bheki is busy pointing fingers mean while he failed us.
Intelligent and straight to the point
How does that help South Africa?
No matter what he says i am voting Mk Party. Time for change.
I'm not impressed by what the old man says.
😂 because you're an empty vessel
Viva Mk 💚🖤 viva
Lol so you think a politician will change the country lol
@@simonshibambu7286I’m convinced that our country is teaming with nitwits these people think these black elites will change anything not their pockets.
My vote goes to Mk
Thabo Mbeki will realise how intelligent Jacob Zuma is ,after saying he is a member of ANC yet forming a party that will compete ANC at election same confused ANC come back and say “MK” is ours .Lets help Mbeki to understand this :Is quite clear coalition goverment of some sort will govern at national .MK party will possibly ,If Ramaphosa accept to resign be a secret weapon of ANC but if he doesn’t accept that the the ANC will be gone .The ball will at that time be in the ANC’s court .This politics at its complexity and we should accept that .Zuma can’t seat and watch ANC drowning into the hands of the colonists ,white racists .He can’t again watch IFP selling KZN to the white racits through multiparty charter and he is through the other side deriving a possible rescue .Wake up Thabo Mbeki i still rate you as one of the best presidents we ever had but my question still remain why didn’t you do something with our constitution when you had 2/3 majority to could fix it to serve better the people of this country !
Sober analysis, well done.
Very well 👌🏿 articulated comrade 😂intelligence left anc politics with RETs and Zuma
He’d 2/3 majority but was busy making poems till to date
Zuma Acts and talks lesser
😂😂😂😂😂 waze wazikhohlisa umdala. Yey ipolitiki ifuna usebenzise umqondo not inhliziyo. This comes of if you comment from your heart but not mind😂😂😂
Colonists and white racists. Who pray tell might those be?
The Honarable Former President Thabo Mbeki has SPOKEN...
Maybe his last question should have been " why did the Guptas run away from South Africa"? You will hear how quiet those who were fed curry will be coz they know the obvious anwer😂😂😂
I agree with you 💯
Mbeki is very right. All people who love this country shall agree with him. I like his ability to analyse situations of both South Africa and Africa.
Mr. Mbeki is the same person who was against a class action brought against companies who supported apartheid regime in South Africa
I wish he could tell the South Africans why he swept "the ciex report" under the carpet.
Apparently His a Freemason 😂 no Black likes him
Yes he did that and many other things.
some of you speak as if you are not leaving in the country, freedom charter, nothing has been implemented? electricity to black people, social grants, water etc. black people enjoy degrading themselves. whites never do that, they don't even vote for a black party, they feed you lies as if you can't see yourselves. they give you feed back about the very same country you are living in.
THIS Man speaks truth and knows the Truth. Pity when I was younger I could not understand his speeches as a child
I like your honesty
30 years later still talking about freedom charter. what has your ANC done to implement those policies mr President? when others want to take over and implement them you get chest pains...
This madala is bought by white people...
His impressing those whom he failed to prosecute in truth commission!
They always fail to implement 30 years still talking about resolution implement dololo
True, he had 9 years + with some of Mandela years but did nothing to better where he was born let alone for the black majority of this country
Freedom charter is our Bible as South Africabs
Thank you Mr Mbeki for telling the truth
And the audience claps hands , my people perish for lack of knowledge.
Kleva Blaxz.
@@mnqobifuze2451 EFF, MK and ANC cannot capture clever blacks
Intellectuals for that matter. What are they clapping hands for
The pot calling the kettle black. That person lacking knowledge is You
All this criminal s are playing with vonurable people mind
He never healed from the 2007 Polokwane Conference.
History will remember him as the ANC President who had 2/3 but never returned the land to the rightful owners, because he thinks settlers are also rightful owners.
What did Zuma do with the land issue during his time?
This man is Old. You should have way forward. If freedom charter has errors it needs to be corrected because it was not cast on stone. Freedom charter is not divine it can be corrected. But people will go to the grave pointing errors and not bringing their own point of departure. At least EFF has a point of departure that land shall be taken into state custody and be given to anyone on lease, as long as it will benefit the citizens. I loved this man especially when he said " our people are encouraged by the fact that today is better than yesterday and tomorrow will be better than today. But today we are on a reverse gear which means that hope is diminishing.
100% in everything
Zuma is giving ANC chest pains😂😂😂
It is useless to keep on telling us with something you failed to implement.
We are worse than we were before
EFF and Mk will be hope now
This guy is wasted politically
You spend lot of time in USA and UK during struggle, you're compromised. You were leading CODESA negotiations what you have achieved for black people there beside freedom of vote?
Hypocritically politics that's so low of you.
Let the EFF and MK together have more than +50% you'll feel the real chest pain
This is the true man to lead a ctry like sA.
I have been following his speech, be it on Congo or the failure of SA government & he is right & his suggestions & recommendations are fairly right.
Finally, Mbeki has spoken ...sakute
Indeed the intellectual
Under Mbeki the economy grew significantly. He should have never left
And stayed there until when?
When was global recession?
Kufanele usho kanjalo ngoba washaya umthetho wokuthi abantu abaphucwe oUIF okuyimali yabo abayisebenzele kanzima yena wathi abaphucwe yona......pho ziphi manje lezomali ngoba abangani bakhe bazidlela lezomali bangamnika yena manje abantu abasebenzi baphucwa nezimali zabo bazozitholaphi lezimali ungekho umsebenzi.......uMbheki wafundela ezezimali ngokusho kwabo kodwa uyisidomu ezidomini esinamajazi angenamsebenzi walutho wahlulwa ukuveza indlela yamathuba emsebenzi instead wafuna kuthathwe izimali zabasebenzi kunjani manje uma kunje😮
You clearly have never heard of the global economic crisis, in which the Zuma administration was in power.
You talking nonsense same like him
When political consciousness escape you it doesn't say Goodbye
😊😊😊Sorry I know u are angry, if U go back and listen again, most of his dabate was based on public reports, U can look at them as tell us Ur view. 😅😅 Will wait
I can't wait for the day Zuma will speak out against the ANC saints
Mbeki is still bitter that Zuma defeated him for anc presidency in Polokwane
He will say nothing
@@masterplaninvestigation3551is Zuma not bitter with Ramaphosa? 😅😂
@@ruudmbeje50 Yaa I thing he is as well, you politicians and political.... It's a game of Chess
ANC, DA EFF FF are all right-wing organizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the aspirations of Black People. Ask their members like Mbeki, Malema, Mulder, Zuma, and the rest of the criminal syndicate. One of the scenes of crime is Luthuli House 😮
A man who is knighted into the Order of St Johns also cannot be trusted. His allegiances are elsewhere. Nothing intellectual about it. The fact is their oaths do not allow them to transform the lives of the ordinary African Child. Perhaps Zuma still has a bit of an unseared conscious left since his has not sold out to the illuminatti.
True!
True nd well said
You lost me when you ended your well-scripted comment with 'perhaps Zuma still has .......................' .
Zuma or Mbeki need to step aside . This way we'd solve the problem resulting cult personalities . Competent people would emerge . Voters would stop voting with their stomachs .
This is the future of our children that we are toying with when we pledge our allegiance to the very same people who let us down in the past three decades .
When are we going to learn 🤔
Very true this illuminati knight is getting hand claps from the club members 😂
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Mbeki is bitter, he must re-visit his decision to nail the TRC Victims, he must be seen as one of the presidents who promoted Poverty during his tenure He will never talk about that
Wazini wena?
@@saneledlambulo let me tell you what I know.....I know that my blood which was poured in the jails of this country has watered this democracy you are enjoying today......where was your Mbeki at that time? He can say whatever he wants to because he has a very good English but he cannot tell me nothing including you who is asking me what do I know...I hope this addresses whatever concern you have...you and your Mbeki must go back to England where you enjoyed better life while we're where dying like flies here at home and never choose to run away
@@saneledlambulo
Uyabheda lo akazi lutho ngezepolitiki
Tell us about the formation of COPE....
Stop bad mouthing JG,
His mom was a member of COPE
COPE was formed because of JZ coming to power. Im not sure if you know the politics of our land!!
It bcz Zuma destroyed this country finish
@samkelomatiwane udakiwe Cope was formed because they didn't want zuma that's why they formed that political party
But these are allegations
Nothing has been proven
I'm not a Zuma fan...Zondo didn't prove nothing himself
Zondo’s job wasn’t to prove anything. It was to enquire what happened, how it happened by who, by allowing people to come forward and tell what happened. Some people did, some ran away like JZ.
Zondo is alleging, does not provinde proof of his assumption. Nothing from his enquiry suggest the conclusions he made about President Zuma on SARS@@The_Truth777
Even they ddnt hv prove against zupta but doesn't mean he ddnt messed up this country
@@lebogangmoeketsi1614 How did he mess it up?
compare it to the current moment today and tomorrow who is messing up BIG TIME STUPID
The guy is only trying his last luck to secure his salary in thd fading ANC (last kick of a dying horse 🐎 indeed.
Mbheki is a hypocrites we gave him 2/3 majority he did nothing
Mbeki umgodoyi
He is a coward!
you forgot that during his tenure the country was growing exponentially economically
Leaving the marginalized even more poorer than economy holders benefited. @SgubhuMkhize
but his phalanges are not dripping with corruption, consitutional deliquency and rogue politics like Zuma, so what are you talking about,? yes, he did make some big mistakes, but he continues to look athe Bigger Picture which is South Africa for all South Africa, unlike Jacob Zuma the ex-convict
Why the former President does not comment on existing President. As things get worse on Ramaposa's presidency
I wondered the same
8:39 @@mirandapuza931
Because they are together
And if this SAARS story was judged by zondo -was biased thats all
Recently he adressed a gathering in which he categorically on face stated that Ramaphosa did nothing of the concerns he mentioned existing within the Party(self cleansing).He ( Pres Ramaphosa) looked down wishing he could bury his face.
He did talk abt him in another video
Mbheki has no backbone, Ramaphosa bought him now
But his telling the truth he says is not him who's saying that is Zondo commission says that
@@lesegombendana6002So wena you trust a judge that was imposed on us by WMC?
Sellout lo we know that
An intellectual speaking here what a loss thank you my President
Viva MK
Viva 😂😂
You failed dismissally when you had your chance
Mbeki was the best president South Africa has ever had. If you know the word "truth", you would accept that fact.
@@LungiNgwevelaWhat did he do better? Recession?, labor brokers?
@@LungiNgwevelawhat is it that he has done for black people??
@@LungiNgwevelavery true
People love mediocre things. Mbeki did not just serve SA well but Africa and scared the West due his stance on Aids issue, but our people shem cannot appreciate intelligence. Ignorance is bliss to them, no wonder we just fight and destroy one another
President Zuma collapsed the ANC. It took 100 years to build the ANC and Under his leadership the ANC lost and he wants to destroy what's left of it with MK. He will go down in history as a Man who collapsed the revolutionary movement. He triggered the cope formation by overthrowing Mbeki, fired Malema who created EFF and now MK.
Triggered 😂😂😂
Mr. IS. POSITIVE. YES. BUT SHARE. IS. NOT. THERE. AMONG. BLACKS. AND. WHITES..LET. HIM. DIFIN..IZWE. LETHU...MAYIBUYE..SIKELELA. IAFRIKA. AS. WELL. THE. DA. ONS. SAL. STERWE. ..ONS. LEWE...IAM. STILL SAYING. THERE IS. NO. SHARE IN. SA
LET. ALONE BRITANE. IT. IS. OVER. OU
He was a good President economy was growing, inflation contained, rand was strong, interest rates low, crime low, unemployment low and middle class was growing...respect Sir❤
People wanted him out because the economy that was praised so much failed to create jobs
@bhekingobese-l4i economy was growing for Europeans not for Africans. He failed to transform the economy
Malema once said to Lekota, when concience has left you, you forget who are you people. Well Mbheki you have never had a political will to fight to black people , you are weak.
We can not dwell much more on you , you left us with poems. Viva MK viva!!!!
VIVA
HE DENIED OUR PEOPLE ARVs THIS STUPID
Wazi ntoni wena?
@@saneledlambulo MORE THAN YOU DO
u guys are being mislead .. by zuma
Thanks for speaking the truth
Like it or not iqiniso elimsulwa leli.
Who cares we'll vote ❎ mk
It is so painful to see a fine mind degenerating not because of principle but rather a pursuit of narrow personal interest.
Did you even watch the video or you just wanted to show people that you are a zupta
I just saw the headline and did not even border to listen that’s how weak and unstable his politics is . Let me move on and look for MK headlines
listening is a skill on its own
Wisdom and discernment are inherent gifts, whereas foolishness is a conscious decision. If you choose to follow imprudent advice, that's on you. Nevertheless, permit us to provide you with some insight. Mbeki's political position seems remarkably inconsistent. Not too long ago, he adamantly declared his refusal to support any criminal, particularly in the aftermath of the Phalaphala incident. Yet, a mere few months later, he censures Zuma for his involvement with MK, conveniently disregarding his previous criticisms of Ramaphosa and the derogatory language he used. Now, you have the audacity to claim that listening is a skill. My friend, while you may possess the physical ability to hear, it seems you lack the genuine desire to truly understand. I doubt you'll grasp our perspective, especially considering the narrow-mindedness of your views. Let me elucidate further: Mbeki's affiliation with the Knights of Malta and his mission to undermine black consciousness still grants him platforms to carry out the agendas of his secret society overlords. Have you noticed the recent resurgence of media attacks against Zuma? They lack substance because they've exhausted their arsenal of propaganda, particularly in the age of 2024 where information is freely accessible. It's only individuals like yourself who continue to place faith in the nonsensical narratives propagated by the mainstream media outlets you insist on consuming.
Wisdom and discernment are inherent gifts, whereas foolishness is a conscious decision. If you choose to follow imprudent advice, that's on you. Nevertheless, permit us to provide you with some insight. Mbeki's political position seems remarkably inconsistent. Not too long ago, he adamantly declared his refusal to support any criminal, particularly in the aftermath of the Phalaphala incident. Yet, a mere few months later, he censures Zuma for his involvement with MK, conveniently disregarding his previous criticisms of Ramaphosa and the derogatory language he used. Now, you have the audacity to claim that listening is a skill. My friend, while you may possess the physical ability to hear, it seems you lack the genuine desire to truly understand. I doubt you'll grasp our perspective, especially considering the narrow-mindedness of your views. Let me elucidate further: Mbeki's affiliation with the Knights of Malta and his mission to undermine black consciousness still grants him platforms to carry out the agendas of his secret society overlords. Have you noticed the recent resurgence of media attacks against Zuma? They lack substance because they've exhausted their arsenal of propaganda, particularly in the age of 2024 where information is freely accessible. It's only individuals like yourself who continue to place faith in the nonsensical narratives propagated by the mainstream media outlets you insist on consuming.
Uempty mntu!😂
president Thabo Mbeki is right to call them out,but in his reign the land was still the issue,is still an issue and under the anc,wil still be an issue
What did he do with two thirds majority to change black peoples lives?
@@sbonelolukhozi1458 he betrayed the freedom charter and yet he has a loud mouth to stand on pulpits and preach. talk is really cheap.
@@pet-jn5bi indeed my Brother, what does "the land belong to those who work the land" even mean? Mxm in Africa we have a huge problem of leaders like him period.
To be honest, this old man has never had anything to offer to South Africans. We only listen to him because he is a former president.
Mbeki is an intellectual leader this country was thriving under his leadership, then come zuma everything started to crumble down.
If you took stock of our currency, the Rand, you would know that the Rand was the the strongest EVER, against the US DOllar and Pound Sterling (just name a few) under his rule.
For the current exchange raye, just watch SABC or listen to SAFM for your update. And the slide started with JZ. It did do. RM sustained it.
Welele
Thats not true,during his reign 2002 the rand traded at 10.52 to the USD. And then it ranged between 6rand to the dollar up to 8rands to the dollar. What do mean by saying it was stronger than the dollar let alone the Pound?
Viva president Mbeki viva. You are one good leader.
My president
I have never listened to nonsense like this one about JZ.
Thabo Mbeki did nothing wrong, You are just experiencing cognitive dissonance because he is reminding you how filthy corrupt jacob zuma is and he was extremely incompetent and could not even read. Whether you like it or not he will never govern this country ever again.
It is true the decline of SA started with JZ and JZ achieved nothing in 9 yrs in office
@@math97003maybe you are not from SA you from Nigeria
@@nhlakamnguni734 Why because i am not a Zuma supporter?
Its because JZ ass rimmers never acknowledged the truth..
Mbeki is rich upstairs, what a wise man! God has blessed him with such incredible insights into life and politics. May God preserve him; the world still needs this esteemed man.Blessed is the womb that bore such an astute man.There is a lot to learn from this gentleman
His wisdoms is self propeled; benefit not the majority of this country.
This man is the one that let to thousands dying of HIV/AIDS because he was told that he was rich upstairs to oppose scientist while he was economist. He refused to get ARV's
@@mphumzadlamini5480
Education is the driving force
Lol I love the language you use
So Public Institutions are now being used to Score political Points if so all leaders must be afforded a Chance to use it also to reply
Ikhalile, sorry, I hope ubaba wakho will able to respond 😅😅
Sorry JZ has standard 2, so he can't be there 😅😅
goodluck on your campaign for anc....mr educated man
Mr founder of COPE
He is campaigning for the anc 😂😂😂😂😂😂. This one 😂😂😂😂😂
I will never campaign for the anc
Of course he's and & will campaign for anc
Sorry Mr President MK will be a big decision maker in this land after may 29, and the EFF will be happy for that.
that's your democratic right, it survived without you for more than 100 years😅😅
Mbeki got turned long ago. We understand that he's protecting the interests of his white handlers who made his wife rich.
Mbeki is always on point and hes a great man under he's presidency the economy was good ❤
Let we give chance all of them to give us the truth to we take the right way to go
1st it was ramapjosa u criticize now u are against Zuma..but not surprised u hated Zuma long tm ago..i do understand those in front of u just clap hands if they may ask questions from u they will just clap hands because those invited are just next to yr corrupt organisation..U are 2 late why don't u speak about cl17 or phalaphala or about u as u failed 2 lead..invite also Mk then we will ask question not just listen and clap hands
Guilty consciousness is burning 🔥 him. Mbeki is trying to clear his name and it's too late for that. All former president was part of the ANC government which fails the people of SouthAfrica. But now their busy criticizing one another.
@Mrdjmavi. Mentioning the two commissions was the lowest he (Mr Mbeki) could have done. Zondo mentioned Pres Ramaphosa as the mesiah who stopped the state capture but forgetting that the very person was incharge of the very same looted soe's as head of goverment business. Secondly when Molefe provided the commission with evidence that pointed to the then DP Ramaphosa, Zondo ignored it. The Nugent commission outcomes were bit funny because there was no looting but the word 'destroy' was mentioned. Now how do you destroy a state institution that is collecting over 80% of the government revenue as a sitting President? Your job as a president depend on the revenue sars is collecting.
But who doesn't know Zondos agenda??? Agh, Poor Mbeki!!! But what about the allegations made about those Zondo did not follow through. Hypocrite thus one!!!
His impressing those whom he failed to prosecute in truth commission!
Hhhm!!! He wanted a Third Term in 2008. To do what then? To put another heavy Yorke of iron on our necks to please London and Big Corporates? He's the one who came up with labour brokers ( Slavery) . And Europe fought Labour broker in the 18th century and one of our own decided to implement it.
This is the very same man who once said the Eskom load shedding was manufactured by the Ramaphosa era and also said Brian Molefe was a good man for Eskom .Askhohliwe😂😂
Ure laying he has never said that
You are right about Mk defeating the ANC.
This one he criticized anc even said he won't vote for it because he care more about his benefits from the anc he can't stand for the truth he's coward he might be bribed by ramaphosa already
It is funny how all this president's never took responsibility for failing during their time in government they are all the same,the problem is the ANC and myb the system of government that we are using as the country
when you Analyse the past three president it is clear the we heard an Academic Economist president, The Peoples president lastly by a Billionaire Capitalist leader.
How was SARS tried to be destroyed because we have always been taxed the same way
great statesman Mbeki his phalanges are not dripping with the red palam oli, that siw hy he can speak truth to power his variables outsmarts , outwits his non variables
President Mbeki is talking about the land to be shared, my issue is has the ANC done anything about the land
Agree
Zuma was big big mistake for South Africa... the ANC put him there. He was a case of cadre deployment that went wrong at a national government level. They should've rather made him a minister without portfolio. There many capable Zulu politicians within the ANC as there have been over the years. After Mbeki and Mandela all the country was leaderless. They put an uneducated polygamist as president what did they expect? We here because of ANC deployment of incompetence cadres as President and Ministers. Do you think Zuma would articulate and apply his mind like this man here, do you see Zuma having a conversation with Academics? He preys on poor underprivileged ppl in the villages n those who privileged they with him for self business benefit and gain due to his popularity with ignorant and opportunistic ANC followers. Its what Malema used him for when he campaigned for him to be ANC President in 2009.
What being a polygamist has to do with politics. Uyisilima mfana kithi.
Akuyiwa eskoleni ngoba uyolanda Ingqondo usuke unayo,khona usuke uyolanda information kuphela.
Khulake mbuka ndini..
Khu
You are a tribalist
@@ntoimjiyako1777 Zuma is far from being smart... its that plain n simple. There are many wise smart Zulu people today n in the past. ANC should've done better, they failed black ppl. That man was a mistake. I say no more
Viva Msholozi sphukuphuku se tribal ye Shangani
Mk is like man city shaaaapha
No its still born baby, watch the space.
It's just like COPE and ATM, and BLF , a one hit wonder.
He can say what ever he wants Zuma is brave and not a coward.
TRUE
@@oscarndlovu1100Zuma is the man boss as long as he said he will change the law and his going to change it without fear 😂😂watch
Zuma is a coward, he threatened to resist arrest and what did he do?
@@MmeliEe is jail now?
@@sabeloshabane6433 you want an answer to that?
A wise man indeed, wisdom galoore
What is wisdom?
In terms of what?
You wouldn't understand what you lack...@@senzomemela1311
You just proved the point...
@@Stambo77
You once said you can't tell pple of SA to vote Imigidoyi😅😅
No no no,one day you will have kids,stop lying and say what he said.
We are not going to vote for ANC since the Former president Thabo Mbeki once said he will not support imigodoyi.
Hypocrite indeed
Lol ngyakhumbula
Remember the imigodoyi have left anc thats why we voting again
President Mbeki he never heal what President Zuma did to him at in 2007
The truth is bitter
He will never recover or heal from that spectacular defeat. He even tried to refuse to leave office to a point where Mandela had express his disapproval by stating that and I quote ' When the batons have passed have passed '. It was after that statement from Mandela that he then announced his resignation . We then had Cope
He himself at some point showed signs of dislike of democracy where he wanted to get a third term at Polokwane.
Mr President you should know that we know that Mrs Mbeki is the one who proposed Thuli Madonsela's name to be the Public Ptotector. Zuma being Zuma who believes that there is good in every human being appointed her. I believe many people would not have appointed to such position someone proposed by his or her sworn enemy. I personally would not have done it.
So what is your own position Mr President
He has nothing
Ulimele utata, uyenzeni earthen cape usese umongameli.
Akenzanganto
@@sibushezithey all over the place uhlulwa ukulungisa lezalwa khona
Ayi Mbeki wahluleka kudala ukhuluma sona lesisilungu
Yeah.Usithanda lesilungu.Umntwana wamaNgisi.Akabuyele Kubo.
He is adressing the nation, not Xhosas or Zulus, but all South Africans.
How people can still defend Zuma is mind-boggling.
Mbeki thats why Mandela was hesitant to put you as a president
Mr Thabo Mbeki warned us many times,danger danger 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤
Well articulated Dr Mbeki T
Bangakhuluma baphalaze Zizi wena you've never betrayed ANC like lomgodoyi wekhehle
Home is home noma kunjani awuphumi uhlasele ikhaya ukhuluma ungaphakathi kant amakhanda enu kwenzekani ngawo
Ndicabanga after election kumele kuyohlolwa imiqondo yabantu
Ungcono umgodoyi kunawe wena udlula umgodoyi funda ukuhlonipha isinqumo somunye umuntu Hlukana noMsholozi
Viva MK viva ✊
Nguwe odinga ukuhlolwa ingqodo nje qhaa uyeke ukuthuka abantu abadala kunawe lokho kusho ukuthi nguwe onenkinga yengqondo
So your mind engadingi kuhlolwa can't remember that this Mbeki was behind the formation of Cope and his mother publicly said she is a member of Cope and this stupid madala said his vote is secrete thereafter
You said your are not going to campaigning for Ramaphosa ANC. We don't trust anymore.
He said people are imgodoi, and was not suspended or charged. what the difference between a person who call others monkeys or baboons and the one who refer them as imgodoi?
We fought for this anc before so called freedom but the same people we fought for started deploying friends and made corrupt deals especially him. Mbeki made the anc to arrogantly neglecting us especially when you are an independent thinker you are systematically destroyed and isolated
So we moved on with EFF and Mk to get our African dream
Siyabonga Mkhulu Thabo Mbeki. Yes we worn a few wins during your time. We celebrated you during your time. It remains the truth you did not do what Afrikaners did for their white people, which was full employment.
Very nice Mr Mbeki, but I'm still voting MK 🖤💚✊🏿 proudly so...
✊amandla mbheki, the one who didn't lead with an hungry stomach because we can see ANC former leaders who are pushing the agenda of eating they are busy ,,they are trying their best sheim
Wow this lecture was great❤❤
Mbeki just got dollars from the couch.
Mbeki himself said he won’t vote anc. We haven’t forgotten
No he said he no campaign for ANC
😂😂😂😂President Mbeki real heat President Zuma
@@mfundomagubane8499that's his problem lapho ke sovotela Zuma ngenkani ngeke sizwe ngaye akayolusa imbongolo ngakubo 😂😂
Nelson Mandela said if the ANC does to us what the apartheid government did to us. We must do to the ANC what we did to the apartheid government.
Asikakhohlwa ngendima owayidlala ekufeni kwabantu baseMzansi babulawa yingculaza.
Lisho uliphinde lelo.i don't hv a sister today bcos of this old man no beetroot wakhe.
@@GugulethuHlongwaneudoti lobaba heyi he was supposed to change a stupid constitution law that's makes us suffer in the first place
Mbeki took the bribe already, all of a sudden he changed lol
😂😂. All of a sudden there is a new report from SIU which was never released. 😂😂. Mzanzi for sure.
When he broke away as cope,did he not see
One failed South Africans in one area, another one in one area and the current President is swimming in worse problems, I cant help it but to feel for the coming President... We appreciate all the works the ruling party has done under these Conditions. Truth is ANC has failed period!!!
Mbeki making claims of a CORRUPT ANC, once led.
Who's fooling who?
Zizi, you never betrayed the organization that made you, even though you felt hard done.
Even Robert Mgabe did that,wht is surprising ppl
100% Spot on TM