Up to 10 M.2 in the Phantom Gaming Z890 Wifi 7 Nova
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- Yes, it's intel, but this motherboard has some interesting stuff to it.
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Best way to get Wendell to deviate from the topic at hand and get him off track:
Mention Optane.
He is right though. Optane is amazing and one of the most amazing things to talk about in storage :p
I love my Optane drives. Never would have got it during the fire sales without Wendell.
@@bhume7535 Has the fire been put out?
OH MY GOD THERE IS A FIRE!
…sale?
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 Do you happen to be wearing cutoffs right now?
Have been looking at this board as well! Note that the max m.2 drives is actually 9 with the expansion card installed. Per the manual "* If PCIE2 is occupied, M2_4 will be disabled." So to use the expansion card you lose one onboard m.2 slot
I wish I had that much nvme storage 😢
They do that in their high end motherboards? I thought that was a mid tier motherboard thing :(
@@Mpdarkguy lane limitaton
this holo effect looks very cool on the mainboard / heatsink!
I absolutely love all the great Z890 motherboard options out there.
please make a home server build with this, would love to see that happen
I loved my Z790 Nova, Excellent motherboard series! Good to see an update!
I mean... as someone that has used a minimum of 4 HDDs next to 2 m.2 and 2 sata drives...
The 10 m.2 slots could be a excellent bulk storage upgrade.
I've never heard of this series by asrock...and I also don't plan on going intel in any reasonable time..but it is a interesting concept...
If it had 1 (or 2) 8 lane pcie4 or 5 slots.... 2 8 lane pcie3 and the other 6 at 1 lane pcie3...
That would be a fantastic way for bulk storage.. system boot drive(s) and frequently used storage for games or audio/video recording... I hope these types of setups are becoming more common... as we move past spinning platter drives for bulk storage....
Thanks for the showcase of the board and the tech on it :)😂
If only Intel hadn't denied us all ECC. This generation could have been the start of something remarkable for the home media server crowd. If you get it working reliably, I want to see it.
why do you need ECC for home media?
That RAM shield probably wasn't intended form the get go, but was added later in development cycle to make it work 😂
literal band-aid
@@tommihommi1 Almost all board have them. Either in bios-form or under the paint. This one is just visible more ;)
Asrock seems to be taking a-lot of W's recently. The x870e taichi, taichi lite and Nova were excellent motherboards because they didn't share pcie lanes with the gpu. Their bioses are also really stable and practical. Even their 7900 xtx taichi gpu's were excellent choices compared to the reference model.
I do wish more people would have gone over the x870e Nova.
Now if only AsrockRack could be that good.
I'd agree, i've got the Phantom Gaming OC 7900xtx, the temperatures and noise levels are excellent.
The thing hits 3ghz in synthetic bench marks, with no manual OC, never goes above 65°C
Out of all the Mobo brands, ASrock is my favorite. They have never let me down or blown like other brands, and that thing is an absolute storage beast.
The youtube algo brought me here. I remember you behind the monitor co-hosting another youtuber. You look younger.
The ASMedia ASM1161 SATA controller is PCIe 3 x2. The cards themselves are physically x4.
It's good to see manufacturers putting a lot of connectivity on their boards again. Limited number of M.2 and SATA plus weird bifurcation/configuration of PCIe slots has been an issue for several generations now, and it's been really frustrating to deal with.
Johnny 5 is alive! Cool little toy ya got there.... And the motherboard ain't half bad either.
Cheers 🍻
When's this CAMM2 memory modules coming out? Would love to see MINI PC adopt those modules.
I may remove a GPU once or twice a year throughout my whole household, but I'm thankful for that easy-release every single time.
Optane memory modules were also 2 lane instead of 4 lane. (16GB, 32GB and 64GB; the ones they marketed for HDD caching)
Come to think of it there's a reasonable number of NAND devices from the same era that were running x2 interfaces (some early WD Blue devices did for instance), any NVMe drive with a B+M key layout would have to be x2
After ~4 generations of diddly squat nvme and decreasing sata (consumer) motherboards are finally beginning to have enough storage IO again.
Most people don't need more than 2tb and then they is the rare ones
@@chriswright8074 Considering how every game is now 120gig+ a 2tb drive will not hold that many.
@@chriswright8074 Yes. That is the state of things and the people's lives are impoverished for it. Being unable to do anything like even have ownership of their own photos and dependent entirely on the whim of megacorporations.
I wish they would expose the PCIe lanes being used for M.2 as another PCIe slot instead... we would still be able to break it out into a M.2 card holder or some other PCIe device without being forced into using just M.2 or x4 breakouts
@@Superkuh2I see what you're saying but honestly 1-2 NVMe and a couple SATA ports is more then enough storage for 95+% percent of people even if they stored all of their data locally. It's frustrating for those of us who want more but most people can fit most of their photos just on their iPhone (locally) let alone on a 12TB HDD, even most gamers will be very happy with a single 4TB NVMe, maybe a second if you want a smaller fast drive and a larger QLC drive
Well my P520c LGA2066 motherboard is no longer envious, it can do 10 M.2 and all have x4 😂 (Later BIOS unlocked the bifurcation on the dual X16 slots, and there are 2 native NVMe, and an empty x8 slot still 😆, which probably gets a GPU if you are in need of video outputs.
Where are the W880 boards?
The foil sticker is likely for EMI. The lowest emissions board approach is to wrap the finished design in ground plane outer layers just to contain the radiation within the signal planes. (Assuming they are properly designed.) A lot of military grade stuff requires that. For this high volume consumable an additional layer or two is cost prohibitive so you put on metalized shields (remember composite video output "cans"). A simple metallized sticker - connected to the ground serves the same purpose. In fact if you were to go to an EMC lab at a major company the prototype boards will go through EMC characterization and the EMC engineer will make ad hoc shields with copper tape as he figures out where a signal is jumping off the board. A signal jumping means the PCB layout guy separated from the return path enough to unintentionally make an antenna. And at the speeds these days that antenna can be a very very short trace. The quality of the signals and the radiation created go had in hand. System Engineers use simulation tools like Ansys to catch this during layout but it can take a fair amount of time to run that on every single trace. In a time to market type of business this is hard to accomplish as it slows you down when you can least afford it.
I thought Z890 only supported up to 5 CPU connected PCIE devices with 8x+4x+4x+4x+4x configuration. I'm guessing that quad single lane adapter hangs off the chipset only?
EXCELLENT REVIEW
At 6:20, you said "gen 1" and I think you meant "1 lane". Thought you could put a text correction on that.
Just got the ASRock X870E Nova WiFi for my 7950X3D & 7900XTX build.
The motherboard I use can hold 31 internal M.2 NVMe devices or over 100 SATA devices as it has 7 full x16 PCIe slots and each can run at the full gen 4 speeds.
Great video. also, what model of TV/monitor is that behind you? the one with the colorful space image on it. it looks massive!
in a storage situation for most people x1 PCIe lanes is enough, i'd love if addin cards did the same so it would be easier to transition away from SATA... Currently got 2 spinning rust drives and 4 SATA drives plugged in along with 3x m.2 (one is from an addin card but lack of PCIe lanes limits the amount of m.2's i can insert at the same time)
I szear I had to take a second to think when he said "Core Ultra 9", like "wait, what is that ?" then I remember that it is indeed a product that exists 🤣
I try not to get too upgrade happy these days but a board that can split out that many x1 PCIe interfaces is *very* tempting, most of the things I want attached to my home server would be very happy running at x1 and the rest would be great at x4 or x8
6:33 NEAT!
that Team Group M.2 drive is a phenomenal bargain! 58 bucks for 50TB (terabytes!) throughput. Amazing. Must be the graphene.
jumpscared by wendell soyjack pointing.
my dead ass even read 7 wifi.. and i didnt even question it
When you mini-review motherboards, it would be *awesome* if you could look at wall-outlet power consumption in idle steady-state, with a minimal/standardized configuration (i.e. same power supply, using onboard video rather than a GPU if it's supported, a single NVMe stick, etc).
Both for desktop and my pet server use, a LOT of the uptime will be spent in idle or lightweight usage :)
4TB nvme gen4 are about $200 so you could easily get full bandwidth with a bunch of storage.
Get gen 3
Im going to need 8tb drives to become cheaper for this to be a thing for me. And 16tb sticks would need to be a thing also.
@sheska8207 I saw an 8tb WD SN850 for $600 a couple of weeks ago, so it's beginning to happen.
Used enterprise gen4 u.2 drives is the way to go with adapters
Where are u finding that for $200? Cheapest I can find is slow stuff at $230 like barely faster than gen 3 slow
I got a Sparkle Intel Arc B580 Titan OC for $269 on Amazon. It just shipped
is it possible to have a MINI PC with 8-16 x4 M.2 slot to be use as an open source NAS, running any linux/bsd/windows OS?
Huh?! I have bought back almost every single 512gig and 1tb m.2 from folks that let me build their rigs, and later upgrade to larger drives. I had a half dozen drives appear in my possession after MSI put that 2tb Spatium 461 on sale for like 80 bucks during the holiday tech madness sales! Lol! That would probably be a good value drive for a setup like that too! Hmmmmmm. Thanks Wendell! Great ideas!
Wendell is excited , so I'm excited , I don't fully understand what we're excited about but Wendell gets it so that's nice.
I don’t follow that because there is pci-e gen 5 that there is more slower flash. Was that a couple half sentences run together?
Basic idea is that in the process of binning the flash they have to go through a lot of it to find chips that will properly run at gen 5. This leaves them with a lot of much lower binned flash that they have to find a use for.
Finally, I waited so long for nvme to for this, now the drive mfg's should make x2 or x1 drives at gen 4 or 5. I would rather have 6 drives at 2GB's than 2 at 14GB/s any day of the week.
Manufacturers don't really stand to gain anything by doing this - the incremental cost of going from 1 or 2 to 4 lanes on the controller is so small that it would cost more to maintain another set of products than any savings you could realise, and a 4 lane drive will run just fine on a single lane so long as the motherboard manufacturer provides you some way of connecting it that way. We just need more boards that can bifurcate down to x1 wide interfaces
10 m.2!? I'm clicking that thumbnail. Surprisingly not-incredibly expensive 🤔
It's nice to see intel supporting x8+x4+x4 bifurcation again.
I actually think that a single lane of PCIE for a m.2 should be plenty. You get up to 4GBps at pcie 5.0 speeds which is comparable to what everyone got when m.2s started getting SSDs for boot drives and bought drives that were 4x PCIE 3.0. There aren't many things that consumers can do that can actually saturate that as the bottleneck will usually be on their network since everyone still uses gigabit. This is obviously only going to get faster as well as we move on to PCIE 6 or PCIE 7 which is set to be finalized this year. Personally I would prefer to have the industry decide to collectively focus on single lanes PCIE for m.2 drive and use those limited pcie lanes to simply add more connectors instead. Running at the slower speeds would also "fix" the heating issues we seem to have with modern m.2s as all of the PCIE 5.0 drives seem to not only require heat sinks but actually need active cooling. Again just cut the lanes down and that won't be and issue for at least a few more years.
Nvme only NAS would be awesome!
Important Caveat:
It does NOT support 10 NVME.
If you use the second PCIE Slot, M.2_4 is disabled for the slot to run. (So you lose one M.2)
I would love to know if that card for the extra M.2 ports would one work with any motherboard with a PCIE 4.0 x4 slot, and two if so will they be selling the card as a optional kit (or do you have to buy it with the motherboard). I need a card like this for my Z690 Prime with a PCIE 4.0 X16 in x4 mode slot so I can raise my M.2 count to 8 instead of 5 (got 3 on board plus two one stick raiser cards). I can slap on some cheap 4TB NVME SSDs on that card for way cheaper than buying several 8TB NVME drives.
What's the idle power draw? Asking bc i'm also interested in this board as home server.
Would have appreciated something like this over on AMD, ended up with an ASRock X670E Pro RS to hook up a bunch of storage to.
The expansion card looks like a candidate to be filled with M.2 SATA adapters with 5 or 6 drives to an adapter.
There's one that uses an asmedia controller for 4 M.2 SATA but realistically an 8 SSD capable model should be more than possible. The alternative for me is paying hundreds for an ICY DOCK 5.25" adapter :/
How can you get a serial output from the motherboard as mentioned? Thanks
honestly with PCIe gen 5 and bifurcation, you could slap 16 drives on a riser card in a single by 16 slot and still have plenty of speed per drive
Of course the low cost controllers to do gen 5x1 aren't there yet, there are some optimized for 5x2 though, and that's still 8 drives in a single slot
I would hope going 1x on SSDs is the goal with higher PCIe per-speeds. Then maybe we can get back to something like 64 lanes on a chip, bringing the socket sizes back down. I'm speaking in terms of server stuff. The sockets are getting so huge that there is no such thing as a dual socket EATX board anymore. They just don't fit.
people going to be foil stickering all over their boards, lol
Forbidden NVMe NAS? Ehhhhh not with those limitations I guess
I've been hoping for an 8x M. 2 SATA card with an onboard HBA to debut, but the best I've seen is one with 4 using an Asmedia controller.
Wouldn't that Gen 5 x4 slot, giving one Gen 5 lane to each SSD on the card, still max out the card if you only load it with Gen3 SSDs? Isn't 1 Gen 5 lane equivalent to 4 Gen 3 lanes?
No because the drives would only be operating at gen 3 x1 speed.
Lanes = physical connections. No aggrigation of multiple gen 3 lanes to single gen 5 lane
Do you have a link to that the card that does 4x to 4 x 1x nvme?
Could we please get a revision to the ATX standard that just shifts the chipset PCIe lanes two lots further away (widen the motherboards, basically) so I could have more than two slots?
When nVidia 90 series cards use 4 slots, and some MoBo makers (*cough* Asus) waste an entire slot for m.2 drives, all I had left on my most recent build were 2! total usable PCIe slots, one for the GPU, and one for (in this instance) a USB card (but I'd have liked to be able to put a 10G NIC, and a SB Sound card in this machine as well.)
Even though 4 of the drives have to go on an add-in card, I can't imagine needing SIX m.2 drives on the main board
GPU easy release is the biggest waste of money for the average user, I hate when content creators hype it up. So glad the Wendell acknowledged that most dont need it
LOL, meanwhile I'm here crying with my sad looking B450 with a single M2 slot 😂
6:14 gen 1, not 1 lane?
wonder if Asrock sell that M.2 card separately
I just want a bunch of those pcie X4 to X1 m.2 adapter cards. And a motherboard that supports bifurcation on every pcie slot to platter it with them 😂.
Johnny Five is alive on those 5 nvme drives...
Ohhhhh how’s the AMD version?
Intel still a thing?
5:15 subliminal message on the black screen?
Dose it mean you make the pci5 direct to cpu m2,a swap drive? If yes: wich drive? Optane pci5?
Is there an ITX that can rock lots of m.2?
I will click like, because it's you. Horrendous scheduling issue with this new core ultra nonsense, funny... seeing 1/2 cores active beat itself with all the cores active in cyberpunk....
Still, shouldn't have been launched.
Enough said, thank you for the review and have a great day.
Wendell, Wendell, yay, Wendell. Note: Am I the only one that caught it? Well, THIS is awkward...
For the love of God, motherboard manufacturers please at least release a few desktop platform motherboard models with MCIO connectors instead of M.2 slots.
Ooooh, shiny!
damn you can build a datacenter in your motherboard sweet
Havent watched the video yet, but x10 8TB drives would be crazy without a PCIE adapter
Can both slots be bifurcated? I want to use GPU, HBA and all nvme possible for my unraid))
This makes me want something like what LTT has done in the past: N users, one PC (eg 8 gamers, 1 PC). Can you sufficiently bifurcate and split one slot in twain enough times to make it work?
Now I wanna see this crammed in a 10" rack. 1U if possible, 2U max. :D
Where can I buy that M.2 expansion add in card?
won't help unless your BIOS supports x1x1x1x1 bifurcation on one of the slots
Cant watch the video right now, but I'm guessing that requires some PCIe switching, and thus kills per drive performance due to adding latency and potentially restricting total bandwidth.
So this is for someone who needs solid state bulk storage where each drive is approximately twice as fast as a SATA SSD. I guess it makes sense but feels like a bunch of SATA would be easier.
The best for the money
Where do we get the level 1 wallpapers?
I have to run a 4.0 X8 video card so I have full speed on my NVME's on my Proart 570X . With a X16 ... one runs at X2 ...
Is there an AMD equivalent of M.2 capacity?
"for creators" the new marketing speak for pcie 4 speed drives lol
Imagine only having two memory channels, in 2025 >.
thumbs up for "nova" joke. i so need to get myself a J5..
Love the color scheme. But yeah, I don’t care about m.2. I wish they’d shunt 2 m.2 lanes to another x8 slot
Indeed. I wish motherboards had PCIe slots and supported proper bifurcation down to x1 - this would give people more choice via plugin cards etc
Ugh it only can do 9 , when pcie is using ,one of the m2 slot will disabled , which means 5slot + 4slot on expansion card
If using the x16 slot also you can split into 8/4/4 which means 5+4+3= 12 total
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Am5 version?
is it possible to run 4 sticks of these fancy CUDIMMs @ 8200?
Yup.
no
Can someone please tell me if any board out there does x1x1x1x1 like this board? Is it just an AsRock feature or Z890 one? Please help!
Niiiice... but I think I'ma stick with my 12th gen for another gen or two.
PCI Express has reached the speed that I honestly have no use for a single 15GB/s NVMe. I would much rather 4 single lane gen5 m.2s, or even gen4. The speed just doesn't affect my day to day usage, but the additional storage certainly would.
I couldn’t imagine going back to 5gb after having 10gb for the past year