I love the way Kirman says at the end of every zombie movie the main character always leaves in a helicopter and that's exactly what happens to Rick in the TV show 😂
Funny that Kirkman was inspired to write a super-hero story based on imagining what would happen if Jack Kirby did Batman - because Miller's Daredevil was basically an homage to Will Eisner - as he admitted in the chat. It's crazy to think that Miller was only in his mid-twenties when he did that stuff. What a talented guy!
@@xanetas Oh? I was just surmising, based on Kirkman's "Batman via Kirby" concept. I'm not really a Kirkman guy. I was a teenage 80s Miller-Daredevil fan, though. Thanks for setting the record straight.
Both are such legends. Kirkman inspires me as an indie comic artist trying to get a foot in the door and Miller is just my all time inspiration. He's art, his story telling through the visual medium of comics is on a different level. Amazing. Thank you for this.
That was a lot funner than most comic interviews kirkmans got a every-mans sort of sense of humor without any pretension and miller is so much more relaxed than i would expect.
He's also the guy who wrote The Dark Knight Strikes Again, All Star Batman and Robin, and Holy Terror. Not exactly the talent he used to be. And even in his glory days, he had problems.
This was awesome! I love Kirkman's Invincible and, over the past year or so, I've discovered that Frank Miller might be my single favorite comic book writer. Unlike other great writers, I haven't read one thing of his that I haven't liked or loved. Thanks to both of those guys and to Collider for doing this! I really loved how this was back and forth between the two as opposed to just one of them asking questions. That would've been cool too but this was even better! Do more of these please. Mixing older creators with younger or whatever.
Frank miller is so so so influential to not just comics but entertainment in general. Robert kirkman is another one I'm really starting to appreciate with invincible and battle pope!
Batman’s been around forever but Frank essentially set the benchmark at a time when nobody else could ever do AND to this day nobody can or WILL ever do.....
Frank Miller is such a legend, one of the best minds , because of this guy we got the Dark Knight trilogy and the Dare devil series , plus 300 and sin city also helps the case made forward.
Its crazy to think that modern comics owe SOOOO much to writers like Frank Miller and Alan Moore. To this day their ideas and interpretations are still being milked. Nolan's Batman movies would never have been made if writers like Miller didnt do what they did with the character.
Man the robocop book was incredible. I got it for my 9 year old son when he got into robocop last year and man was it deep. Shit blew my mind and there were some cool ideas i got to explore with my son, like what made robocop great? His soul or his robot body. Cool stuff to talk about with a 9 year old. Thanks Frank!
I'd really like to talk to him more about the satirical aspects of his work and how closely the situation in America at-present is starting to mirror DKR in an eerie way. I'd also like to ask him about his cinematic influences and how Scorsese may have influenced his work.
Anyone else feel like Kirkman wants Frank to direct the Rick Grimes movie? I know sure as heck want that. These two with Andrew Lincoln would be Oscar worthy.
what an awesome clip, the Sage parting words of wisdom to the generations to come, Frank Miller is awesome, Robert Kirkman is playing with all the cool toys!!
I know Frank has zero interest but I’d love to hear what he thought of the Daredevil Netflix tv series. I thought it beautifully adapted the material made by Miller, Bendis, Smith, and Brubaker.
Miller's Batman was essentially a gothic anarchist. The dark gritty imagery is just natural product of the direction the character was goinh. I see that as the focus of how Miller depicted Bats in DKR.
I was genuinely annoyed when mattel/dc made rainbow batman figures, but not the actual rainbow one from the cover, it was the coolest one! When i go to the bookshelf any time is Miller time.
Where do you get your ideas, Robert? "I just look at things other people have done and I just make that more violent without any satisfying conclusions."
It's like Frank Miller is trying to cram himself into his camera square in the same way the original drawing of that Batman statue behind him had to contort itself to fit the box.
@2:17 ?? "I think you introduced the concept of this grim and gritty scary Batman" wtf are you taking about?? Thee BIGGEST legend in ALL comic books had already showed Batman as this sleek deadly creature of the night, and going back to day one with Bob Kane you already see even at his roots a creepy ghost who haunts the underworld. Yet...you're going to say Miller introduced it?? Maybe you oughta go read some Batman comics Kirkman. Get acquainted with Batman better, you're supposed to be a pro in the industry and you're embarrassing yourself
@@Shawn-cr8dh : Ok if he meant RE introduce that's maybe only a little better (cuz when Miller did DKR, Batman in those current comics was already sleek, deadly and sinisterly lethal, so he's not really re introducing anything either, since it's already current then). I think so many people always misinterpret Miller's brief presence as "oh now he's dark and cool now!", which was never the case. Miller's great contribution via DKR was that he showed and demonstrated that Batman is not just some vigilante in some urban city. Because of the great Miller he firmly established that Batman was a superpower in the DC Universe. Miller went "okay so if batman is supposed to be this deadly scientist Supernatural ninja in the current Comics that were reading via Adams and even at his roots with Bob Kane then let's really put it at Full Throttle!" And he shot Batman up the echelon of superpowers in the DCU by taking his abilities to the max at full throttle. That was the VERY first time we ever saw that; By his unbelievable abilities he showed Batman was a force to be reckoned with. So you're absolutely right when you said Batman would be different today if not for Miller because he would still just be considered as some mere vigilante on the street rather than one of the two major superpowers in DC
@@blairhaffly1777 : That's not correct; when DKR was released the general public still only thought of Adam West. The general public is not at all aware of any kind of comic books, the general public did not read comic books. So until Tim Burton came THAT'S when the general public stopped thinking of West, because of Batman The Movie...NOT because of DKR. So DKR did not change the general Public's perception at all. And DKR didn't change the comic book reading community's perception either, because Batman was ALREADY a sleek creature of the night and looked super cool and ninja like. So the comics were already of this deadly looking creature which allowed Frank Miller to even make his DKR comic because the character was already THERE. With Dick Giordano, Marshall Rogers, and of course Neal Adams who started it all: Batman was already an awesome Dark Knight and Frank Miller said "oh hey let me do a story too!", hence DKR. So Miller joined LATE in the game cuz the Dark Knight was already being his cool ninja self. And his DKR certainly did not make the public aware of anything since the general public was not reading comics. Therefore DKR did not influence the comics of him being cool and deadly cuz it was already there being constantly published, and DKR did not influence the public either since they don't know anything about the DKR, it was Batman The Movie with Keaton that did that. So DKR had nothing to do for shitt for anyone's perception on Batman's deadly self .
Lol Kirkman chiding any creator for overextending a certain trope of a character on film is hysterical when you realize he has a show on television that's overstayed its welcome by about 5 seasons 🤦🏼♂️🤣
The Spirit movie was an absolute joke!! Why didn't Frank use one of his own characters for his directorial debut instead of messing up someone elses property?
Fun fact: after The Matrix came out, the Wachowskis wanted to do an anime of Hard Boiled. Darrow was on board, but Frank nixed it! He only wanted it to be live-action! Frank ya nut, how the hell do you do Hard Boiled, in live-action, in 1999??? What were you theeenking Frank, aaargh. Just imagine Hard Boiled, anime, by the Wachowskis. For the love of all that is HOLY Frank. What were you theeeeeenkeeeeeeeeng!?!?
@@system-error hes pretentious like Alan Moore. I like both those guys. But I think its also fascinating that they are so protective. Its weird and also probably for the best in a way we won't fully understand.
@@TheTurbanator123 they definitely are both weird, I agree! Alan Moore is a little different though, he's always taking his name off things. My understanding is that his attitude to Hollywood is like, "Do whatever you want, but just keep my name off it." Moore also told Marvel to take his name off reprints of his Miracleman reboot, after it became clear that his original publisher may not have had the legal rights to Miracleman. So for the reprints after Marvel got the rights secured, he had them replace his credit with 'the original writer'. Here's an article about it: www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-alan-moore-has-become-650954
I'm guessing they skip over the part where he turns into an extreme lunatic and becomes massively racist? lol ED: Like legitimately lunatic and legitimately racist, not twitter 'everything is racist' crap. Dude got nutty as hell.
If he didn't make daredevil dark. What would batman be? Adam west. Frank took batman to a dark place and he balanced out over the decades to being less dark.
@@TheTurbanator123 Frank Miller is hugely important. (the fact that, imo,he lost his mind doen't change that). But this was not his doing, you are forgeting O'Neil and Adams' work. It was these two that changed Batman's image and tone.
Daredevil run, Born Again, Man Without Fear, Dark Knight Returns, Sin City, 300, Ronin. He's one of the best and most influental, love him or not that's a fact
Frank Miller’s voice sounds so different than I expected
Yes, lol
He sounds a little different than he used to on all the dvd's I have.
I think the audio is distorted to be slightly higher pitched.
Fun facts for kids: everyone can look forward to their voice changing as they age. Nobody gets away, itll happen to us all.
It was deeper.
I love the way Kirman says at the end of every zombie movie the main character always leaves in a helicopter and that's exactly what happens to Rick in the TV show 😂
Turns out the helicopter was a Decepticon and it transformed off camera with Rick guts squishing everywhere
Robert went the extra mile in the comics to avoid tropes - - the show did the opposite - they’ve really lost sight of itself
@@JONNYSORENSEN_AU that's actually what will happen in Kirkman's Transformers comic
This interview is bottled lightning. Like getting two amazing top trumps cards in a row.
Donald and Jr????
It's awesome to see that you and Collider both love Don and Don Jr.
Funny that Kirkman was inspired to write a super-hero story based on imagining what would happen if Jack Kirby did Batman - because Miller's Daredevil was basically an homage to Will Eisner - as he admitted in the chat. It's crazy to think that Miller was only in his mid-twenties when he did that stuff. What a talented guy!
But Oblivion Song its not a superheroe comic.
@@xanetas Oh? I was just surmising, based on Kirkman's "Batman via Kirby" concept.
I'm not really a Kirkman guy. I was a teenage 80s Miller-Daredevil fan, though. Thanks for setting the record straight.
Both are such legends. Kirkman inspires me as an indie comic artist trying to get a foot in the door and Miller is just my all time inspiration. He's art, his story telling through the visual medium of comics is on a different level. Amazing. Thank you for this.
That was a lot funner than most comic interviews kirkmans got a every-mans sort of sense of humor without any pretension and miller is so much more relaxed than i would expect.
We need more stuff like this. And we need as much Miller as possible. Would love to hear him talk about art.
Imagine if these two did a podcast.
Amaaaazing.... If Frank Miller want to do Rainbow Batman, let him.
He is the one, in whose Imagination of Batman we all live today.
... this is the man who wrote "I AM THE GODDAMN BATMAN." Miller lost his mind.
He's also the guy who wrote The Dark Knight Strikes Again, All Star Batman and Robin, and Holy Terror.
Not exactly the talent he used to be. And even in his glory days, he had problems.
Batman year one was incredible. Visual and wordwise
literal lol at the end. "This man has been hurt." Great video!
All star batman and ROBIN the boy wonder is "criminally " underrated! Cool interview 😎
This was awesome! I love Kirkman's Invincible and, over the past year or so, I've discovered that Frank Miller might be my single favorite comic book writer. Unlike other great writers, I haven't read one thing of his that I haven't liked or loved. Thanks to both of those guys and to Collider for doing this! I really loved how this was back and forth between the two as opposed to just one of them asking questions. That would've been cool too but this was even better!
Do more of these please. Mixing older creators with younger or whatever.
Frank miller is so so so influential to not just comics but entertainment in general.
Robert kirkman is another one I'm really starting to appreciate with invincible and battle pope!
Frank Miller saved Batman with his rendition of him. To say otherwise....go back to watching Sat morning cartoons.
Agreed and he did the same thing for Daredevil.
To say otherwise would be the truth, as it was actually Denny O’Neil who saved Batman.
Two absolute legends ! Tremendous talents!
I could watch these two talk all day
Legendary Frank Miller, really loved this interview. Thanks guys!
I read this as 'Robert Kirkman Interviews Frank Miller About His Career, From Batman to Holy Terror'
My neck hurts just from watching Frank sit so crooked
Batman’s been around forever but Frank essentially set the benchmark at a time when nobody else could ever do AND to this day nobody can or WILL ever do.....
Frank miller back in the director's chair is a must. Thanks for this
can you do more like this. this is amazing
Frank Miller is such a legend, one of the best minds , because of this guy we got the Dark Knight trilogy and the Dare devil series , plus 300 and sin city also helps the case made forward.
Its crazy to think that modern comics owe SOOOO much to writers like Frank Miller and Alan Moore. To this day their ideas and interpretations are still being milked. Nolan's Batman movies would never have been made if writers like Miller didnt do what they did with the character.
Too short. Loved it.
The clip from the Ben Affleck Daredevil movie really elevated this interview.
Man the robocop book was incredible. I got it for my 9 year old son when he got into robocop last year and man was it deep. Shit blew my mind and there were some cool ideas i got to explore with my son, like what made robocop great? His soul or his robot body. Cool stuff to talk about with a 9 year old. Thanks Frank!
you let your 9 year old son read Robocop? damn, coolest dad ever right here. i recall the book being really gnarly.
Loved this, these guys are intelligently hilarious
I'd really like to talk to him more about the satirical aspects of his work and how closely the situation in America at-present is starting to mirror DKR in an eerie way. I'd also like to ask him about his cinematic influences and how Scorsese may have influenced his work.
Really good stuff. I would listen to those two talk comics for hours.
Who did the artwork on the poster behind Kirkman?
I am so here for The Spirit praise! That movie is a blast!
Anyone else feel like Kirkman wants Frank to direct the Rick Grimes movie? I know sure as heck want that. These two with Andrew Lincoln would be Oscar worthy.
what an awesome clip, the Sage parting words of wisdom to the generations to come, Frank Miller is awesome, Robert Kirkman is playing with all the cool toys!!
NOT what I expected, but everything I believed. Love this interrogation.!
Loved this
This really pairs well with that other great Collider double interview, George Lucas and Harrison Ford.
Man, what a great watch.
Frank Miller. Icon.
Phaww it seems like it must have been a couple of decades since I last watched a Frank Miller interview 😅
Thank you
Frank Miller sounds completely different than he used to. Mad.
Would love if Frank wrote a novel one of these days
Kirkman is the miller of our time
I'm just kidding, I love these guys both Robert Kirkman & Frank Miller 💙 😊😊😊😊
legendary... some people draw, but these 2 magicians create magic.
I know Frank has zero interest but I’d love to hear what he thought of the Daredevil Netflix tv series. I thought it beautifully adapted the material made by Miller, Bendis, Smith, and Brubaker.
Why would he have zero interest. I think he saw the series.
It's mostly cause Elektra was shite in it. The only thing that kept it from being a perfect series.
More. More. More.
Miller's Batman was essentially a gothic anarchist. The dark gritty imagery is just natural product of the direction the character was goinh. I see that as the focus of how Miller depicted Bats in DKR.
I was hoping they were announcing they bought DC comics HaHa. Great interview/conversation between 2 comicbook legends.
That would be insane
I would love to see a Martha Washington movie!
I was genuinely annoyed when mattel/dc made rainbow batman figures, but not the actual rainbow one from the cover, it was the coolest one! When i go to the bookshelf any time is Miller time.
i was thinking the same way robert does ,i thought i was crazy
Where do you get your ideas, Robert?
"I just look at things other people have done and I just make that more violent without any satisfying conclusions."
Awesome
It’s Miller time
He also introduced the goddamn Batman
What happened to frank millers voice?
Wow 🤩
It's like Frank Miller is trying to cram himself into his camera square in the same way the original drawing of that Batman statue behind him had to contort itself to fit the box.
I had no idea Frank was that old
More like Kirkman Interviews Engywook.
God and God
Frank Millers TMNT
Xerxes is Fanfuckingtastic!!!😀❤❤❤❤❤❤
Talking heads lol dark knight returns literally has talking heads for pages and pages
🔥
@2:17 ?? "I think you introduced the concept of this grim and gritty scary Batman"
wtf are you taking about?? Thee BIGGEST legend in ALL comic books had already showed Batman as this sleek deadly creature of the night, and going back to day one with Bob Kane you already see even at his roots a creepy ghost who haunts the underworld. Yet...you're going to say Miller introduced it?? Maybe you oughta go read some Batman comics Kirkman. Get acquainted with Batman better, you're supposed to be a pro in the industry and you're embarrassing yourself
I think he ment reintroduce, but if it wasn't for Frank Miller the character would probably be very different today.
@@Shawn-cr8dh : Ok if he meant RE introduce that's maybe only a little better (cuz when Miller did DKR, Batman in those current comics was already sleek, deadly and sinisterly lethal, so he's not really re introducing anything either, since it's already current then). I think so many people always misinterpret Miller's brief presence as "oh now he's dark and cool now!", which was never the case. Miller's great contribution via DKR was that he showed and demonstrated that Batman is not just some vigilante in some urban city. Because of the great Miller he firmly established that Batman was a superpower in the DC Universe. Miller went "okay so if batman is supposed to be this deadly scientist Supernatural ninja in the current Comics that were reading via Adams and even at his roots with Bob Kane then let's really put it at Full Throttle!" And he shot Batman up the echelon of superpowers in the DCU by taking his abilities to the max at full throttle. That was the VERY first time we ever saw that; By his unbelievable abilities he showed Batman was a force to be reckoned with. So you're absolutely right when you said Batman would be different today if not for Miller because he would still just be considered as some mere vigilante on the street rather than one of the two major superpowers in DC
@@paulpolpiboon9535 Don't forget that the general public still thought Batman was Adam West until the Dark Knight.
@@blairhaffly1777 : That's not correct; when DKR was released the general public still only thought of Adam West. The general public is not at all aware of any kind of comic books, the general public did not read comic books.
So until Tim Burton came THAT'S when the general public stopped thinking of West, because of Batman The Movie...NOT because of DKR. So DKR did not change the general Public's perception at all. And DKR didn't change the comic book reading community's perception either, because Batman was ALREADY a sleek creature of the night and looked super cool and ninja like. So the comics were already of this deadly looking creature which allowed Frank Miller to even make his DKR comic because the character was already THERE. With Dick Giordano, Marshall Rogers, and of course Neal Adams who started it all: Batman was already an awesome Dark Knight and Frank Miller said "oh hey let me do a story too!", hence DKR. So Miller joined LATE in the game cuz the Dark Knight was already being his cool ninja self. And his DKR certainly did not make the public aware of anything since the general public was not reading comics. Therefore DKR did not influence the comics of him being cool and deadly cuz it was already there being constantly published, and DKR did not influence the public either since they don't know anything about the DKR, it was Batman The Movie with Keaton that did that.
So DKR had nothing to do for shitt for anyone's perception on Batman's deadly self .
@@paulpolpiboon9535 Yeah, I meant the movie. The general public hardly reads, let alone graphic novels.
Frank is getting old, like me.... guess it beats the alternative. .
The funniest thing is Frank Millers Batman is just Neal Adams Batman old and jaded
Kirkman talking about boring talking heads and Invincible is full of that.
How does someone age THAT badly at THAT age!?
please buy DC Comics Kirkman
Yoooo FRANK MILLER needs to lift some weights or something and exercise 💪 cause he looks a little sickly 😮😮😮😮
he looks now days so old and fragile
No. Absolutely not.
Lol Kirkman chiding any creator for overextending a certain trope of a character on film is hysterical when you realize he has a show on television that's overstayed its welcome by about 5 seasons 🤦🏼♂️🤣
The Spirit movie was an absolute joke!! Why didn't Frank use one of his own characters for his directorial debut instead of messing up someone elses property?
Fun fact: after The Matrix came out, the Wachowskis wanted to do an anime of Hard Boiled. Darrow was on board, but Frank nixed it! He only wanted it to be live-action! Frank ya nut, how the hell do you do Hard Boiled, in live-action, in 1999??? What were you theeenking Frank, aaargh. Just imagine Hard Boiled, anime, by the Wachowskis. For the love of all that is HOLY Frank. What were you theeeeeenkeeeeeeeeng!?!?
@@system-error hes pretentious like Alan Moore. I like both those guys. But I think its also fascinating that they are so protective. Its weird and also probably for the best in a way we won't fully understand.
@@TheTurbanator123 they definitely are both weird, I agree! Alan Moore is a little different though, he's always taking his name off things. My understanding is that his attitude to Hollywood is like, "Do whatever you want, but just keep my name off it." Moore also told Marvel to take his name off reprints of his Miracleman reboot, after it became clear that his original publisher may not have had the legal rights to Miracleman. So for the reprints after Marvel got the rights secured, he had them replace his credit with 'the original writer'. Here's an article about it: www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-alan-moore-has-become-650954
It probably would've been a lot better if an experienced director was the one who did it.
I'm guessing they skip over the part where he turns into an extreme lunatic and becomes massively racist? lol
ED: Like legitimately lunatic and legitimately racist, not twitter 'everything is racist' crap. Dude got nutty as hell.
No, it's because they're not woke lunatics like you that talk about fake racism 24/7
Frank Miller: the most over rated comics writer of all time.
Like him or hate him he’s one of the most important comics creator of all time.
@@XSaintsFireX Born Again. That’s it.
If he didn't make daredevil dark. What would batman be? Adam west. Frank took batman to a dark place and he balanced out over the decades to being less dark.
@@TheTurbanator123 Frank Miller is hugely important. (the fact that, imo,he lost his mind doen't change that).
But this was not his doing, you are forgeting O'Neil and Adams' work. It was these two that changed Batman's image and tone.
Daredevil run, Born Again, Man Without Fear, Dark Knight Returns, Sin City, 300, Ronin.
He's one of the best and most influental, love him or not that's a fact