Aglaea's Speed Tuning Hell | No Sunday or Huohuo 0-Cycle | MOC v2.7
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- The speed tuning required for this run beats any other speed tuning I made.
Stage: Memory of Chaos v2.7
Team: E0 Aglaea / E6 Tingyun / E6 Remembrance Trailblazer / E0 Robin
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Update: Small mistake on RTB's card where it says she needs 168 speed, it's supposed to be 137. I realized this super late but I forgot to take into account Tingyun's DDD proc on her.
I sometimes get asked why my character's speed isn't the same as the ones I show in the character cards. The speed tuning on the cards show the accurate speed tuning required to execute the strategy while my character's speed is basically one that I could use based on what I have. It's not like I can edit my relic stats.
The speed tuning I did in this run is by far the most complex one I made. Factoring in so many things such as Dance3x, Tingyun's Skill speed boost, both Aglaea and Garmentmaker's ramping up speed, RTB's Mem charges and of course, Robin's ULT placements. Do NOT try this at home.
Every video Lisara puts out is subtitled: Skill Issue and You
tbf e0s0 aglaea with Sunday huohuo and robin all at e0s0 is the same cost as this video, although this is more impressive due to the freakish speed tuning
Wrong. When it's a no-sustain run, It's insane relics and luck. Good relics are free but insane ones are not. And how many people actually has a 161 speed robin. Not many people play this game like a scientist.
@@indexindex2005 If you treat SPD substats like crit and BE, you should be able to hit the breakpoints. Her Robin is running SPD Boots and an ATK rope. No ERR rope thanks to the Casket giving her the energy she needs anyways. All she needs is roughly 1 or two SPD rolls in SPD on each piece, which isn't that hard to do if you actually farm for them.
Even so, you should save any potential pieces anyways, and roll them if it seems to work for your build.
@@5upermini555I think u missed the point. It's not about being impossible to farm for the required speed. It's about how many players are actually willing or has the luxury to do so. This is obviously a niche build. I won't attribute a niche attempt and niche builds to skill issue when 90% of the players will not be replicating. And this showcase does not even do aglaea any favor in her future viability without Sunday and huohuo. As it can be seen, if any of the earlier attacks hit the chars instead of the memosprites, this run would had already failed. (Imagine the number of resets to make this even work)
@@indexindex2005 I'm just saying that it's not that insane when farming the relics in the first place. If you don't simply throw away some interesting potential pieces, you should always have something in the bag for an off-shoot build, unlike what you've claimed. Maybe someone just threw away their SPD oriented pieces just because it isn't the piece they want, be it double crit or anything that gives them larger numbers.
I've personally have a lot of unleveled relics that I *hoard* that may come in useful someday, just because it can be useful as a future 2-pc for someone while farming their pieces
Well yeah this is absolutely speed tuning hell. That just makes it more insane of a run though
Doomposters punching air as usual
Rare sighting dreamy using 1x Speed for the finishinv move
The title itself is exhausting, and you actually spent the time to *do* it. Impressive, as always.
You proved me wrong here that Aglaea needs Sunday and Huohuo. She is a beast even without them.
Needs a TON of work though, especially speed tuning which isn't exactly for the casual playerbase.
@@LisaraScarletHey Lisa do you recommend aglaea for low investment acounts?
Nope @@jp-dx6829
@@jp-dx6829 As long as you got Sunday or Huohuo.
She 100% needs them, this is not a casual run
hey dreamy i must admit i am impressedddd
Impressive as always.
Be handy for anyone one *the hunt* for a no Sundeez/HH showcase.
Keep up the awesome work
wow, you keep doing it! cares more for the community and even for the game than many other ccs for sure lol
Wow u always manage to surprise me
Always peak gameplay along with BGM Also looks like Aglaea does a dab at the end of the final hit lol.
Tingyun ult only filling up like 1/6 of Aglaea’s energy is absolutely wild 😵💫
Tierlist worshipper : but.. but.. they said-
Dreamy ❤❤❤
when i see izumo planar set, i remembering that she also remembrance 😂
At this point, Agy is probably an F1 car with guns.
sweet cheese that final RMC play/calculation was impressive!!
Great clear. Everything was perfect except saying Tingyun getting hit is "RNG" 😂
every lisara video is an excuse for them to tell me i have a skill issue
If not for Tribbie coming soon in phase 1 i would have pulled this godess in a heartbeat
I like how she is so simple with sunday and huo2
They made her LC disgustingly good when there is so little options I hate it
In most teams, it's literally 20% better than the 3* jellyfish light cone. That's pretty normal for a f2p -> sig gap. It was required for this run because of how demanding the speed tuning is, but it's not like you NEED to 0-cycle.
I felt like i had a big skill issue considering i barely maintained agy's ult uptime when the team has sunday and huohuo (trial from the event)
Probably because the trial characters have next to no speed tuning. Trial Aglaea’s speed isn’t even that high (Sunday won’t give Aglaea a third turn since he’ll come up before her second turn at max stats). Meanwhile, Sunday has…139 speed, so if you go for the recommended aglaea speed, he’ll still outspeed her second turn.
I'm still doing fine with the trial aggy with no hwehwe but I'm using robin and RMC 😂
You should check if the trial Sunday has ER rope or not.
I use mine own rope the only moment where the trial Aglaea ran out of Supreme Stance and I couldn't ult right away was at the very end when the final boss as 5% left.
With Sunday and Huo Huo you shouldn't have much ER issues.
Splendid work as usual, but I think this might cause some coping among casuals 🤣
I feel like shes overly doomposted.
Needs sunday? Well superbreak needs ruan mei. Feixiao needs robin. Acheron needs jiaoqiu. And the list goes on.
Every DPS needs their one support that makes them work and Aglaea isn't an exception just because she needs sunday.
Fei Xiao definitely doesn’t NEED Robin.
Obviously Robin’s damage amp is amazing, but Fei xiao performs just fine with another support or sub dps in that slot. She still plays the same. Even FF without Ruan Mei plays the same (and even then, FF needs HTB more, and they’re free. And you can use Fugue instead of RM - the latter is not a hard requirement).
It’s not doomposting to say that Aglaea fundamentally plays differently when you get her premium options than without. You can already see it with the trial where she plays super clunky, and the current event where you get a trial Sunday + Huo Huo to try out and she plays better.
Lis being our emanator of erudition obviously is making her work without the above two or her E1, but by their own admission its speed tuning hell, and not necessarily relatable.
It’s not doomposting to say that Hoyo put an annoying flaw in Aglaea’s kit that is magically resolved when you vertically invest in her (and Sunday is effectively vertical investment for her). Obviously all characters need flaws so you build teams around them, but hers in particular are annoying to build around, as seen with the speed tuning hell.
@ Fugue would need e1 though. And Have u actually tried feixiao without robin? And superbreak without Ruan Mei? Sure they work. But u break the way slower. You can have all the superbreak amp u want in the world but if dont break you aint doing anything. Not to say htb isnt more important though. Both are important imo. The same can be said for aglaea. Worse but still workable. Im also not saying anyone here is doomposting, Less this video, its an amazing showcase. Im talking about in general. When a character is too good, people say it broke the game. And when we have a balanced character like Aglaea. People are quick to point and say shes unplayable without a full premium team, or without sunday. At the end of the day, the playerbase can never be satisfied lmao.
@@Isredel11not to mention she has a retarted A2 passive instead of energy passive . And tons of def traces instead of spd and Crit
@@Isredel11 bruh cut the cope, show me a video of you clearing on E0 fx without robin and FF without RM. It'll be mega clunky too. I understand where you are coming from when you say that she has some annoying things that are magically resolved with teammates, but don't be a hypocrite when someone else points facts at you. What this actually tells me is that you skipped sunday and hh and now wants to cope, you don't think RM or robin is an issue because you have them. It's only annoying because you skipped. Come back when you wake up.
@@Isredel11This is just wrong lol.
Feixiao NEEDS Robin.
Acheron NEEDS Jiaoqiu.
Firefly NEEDS Ruan Mei unless you have E1 fugue.
This is just like my zero-cycle Yunli team but Aglaea instead of Yunli. No Wind Sets and Lushaka tho, all supports are on Vonwacq
maybe is important for the second wave, but seeing you using RMC ult when Mem has 99% of her charge is painful
more of a robin showcase if you ask me...
imagine not running eagle on aglaea for 125% advance
She might skip Wave 1 and go straight to Wave 2, leaving my supports at Wave 1.
This would make speed tuning her team even more of a nightmare, no one is running her on eagle set, not to mention you'd lose out on the damage from the relic set.
@@veliona8920 issa joke, Eagle is useless on 100% action advance units like Aglaea
Very impressive run 👍👍
This is shows for normal player like us, better stay away from Aglaea if not having Sunday.
What can we expect when it comes to character guides in HSR now that ENDFIELD is right around the corner?
I feel like I might stop making guides for HSR once Endfield is out. I'll only do HSR showcases instead. As usual, I would still give tips and tricks.
Nice ! What do you think about Sparkle in Aglaea and THerta teams ? The Sunday glazers keep trashing her 😢
Because she needs Sunday, or E1S1 your choice
dude ive already been messing around with so many setups, 158 eagle, bronya sunday DDD (and eagle too), rmc robin only, sunday robin, tingyun robin rmc, the potential is so high here. i really feel like we need a stronger boss in MoC to see what her best possible setup is though, both of the current die too fast
The run is even sp neutral, so i could even effectively replace robin for bronya(i dont have sunday lmao)
I am pulling for Robin instead for my The Herta team
You would have to go through hell just getting those right stats
hey dreamy can you also the other half of moc 12 with aglaea? i kept seeing vids of her with svarog so im curious with how she fare well with the other side
I will try eventually.
this is why i love niche player
they know how to broke the game mechanic
even without her premium team
Given the absolute absurdity of speed tuning needing to be done for this setup I have a question. When you're cooking videos do you have to reset the fight often to figure out the best path to achieve your goal? Or is it more like, you've been doing this long enough that you understand how to do what you're aiming for. You just need to figure out how to apply your knowledge to achieve the desired outcome?
I do some test runs first until I get ideas. When I struggle to get a specific character to act at a specific action value, that is when I head to my spreadsheets.
@@LisaraScarlet Thank you for answering!
atp sunday&huohuo is cheaper than this relics speed tuning. my relics could never
attack orb and rope o_o thats unexpected, also with Robin and Ting giving ATK, man i'm really confused now, is there a special reason for this choice?
No good Lightning sphere for Izumo.
Why robin is using normal attack instead of skill in the first turn?
Gives her energy regen stack from her signature.
@LisaraScarlet ahh, then if don't have sig LC is it better to use skill first or still the same by doing the skill at her second turn?
Soooo....i deliberately skipped sunday but have Huohuo ready and waiting..can I still play Aglaea decently?
RMC can substitute Sunday and has synergy with Huohuo so you’re good
Should be fine as long as you got Robin.
@@LisaraScarletCould E0S0 Robin be enough in Aglaea team? Unfortunately, I had to skip Sunday for Fugue, but I have HuoHuo.
@@chaplin1563 Robin+Huohuo is good.
@@LisaraScarlet Thank you!
Also whats your take on 2x sunday speed setup vs fast sunday slow aglaea setup
I'm still testing everything.
I will never get tired of hearing this sound track.
Dropped PGR awhile ago, but this is still a banger to this day.
Makes me wonder if they've dropped anything on par with this
Plenty. But also depends on what you like as well.
Sunset Breaker for Qu
Endless Path for Epitaph
To The Limit - Bridget
In my Memory - Teddy
Adversity - Wanshi
Burning Vow, albeit it's a song and not soundtrack.
Interstice Oath - Lucia
Crossing Eternity - Nanami
The closest to Last Resort to me is Sunset Breaker.
With the speed tuning is it ok to be over the required break points by a few or does it have ro be the exact speeds to work?
The main issue would be Aglaea's speed, if her speed goes higher, the team except for RTB needs to increase their speed as well. For example, based on my calcs, since my Aglaea is 154 speed, not 151, then Tingyun needs 170 and Robin needs 160.
@LisaraScarlet since i do have Sunday, is the tightness of speed tuning less severe? He is at 137, she is 166, and RMC is at 158.
@ You can follow my speed tuning for low speed Sunday on the previous video.
would you recommend aglaea for an account with sunday and huohuo, or would you recommend to wait for another dps?
I haven't seen her performance on other modes yet but she could feel mid on PF. If I were to really recommend characters, I need to make sure they perform well on all end-game content.
Why does tingyun deal 64k at 3:36? Any knowers?
Benediction.
Yeah Benediction, specifically I wanted know about why true dmg was there? I might have missed something but if that's an interaction then seems cool.
@ One of Benediction's hit literally comes from the affected ally. That means it will take into account all stats and buffs of that affected ally which includes Mem's support.
Oh thanks, I thought benediction dmg was additional dmg done based off the buffed unit's atk and the rest of the formula (dmg%, crit, etc.) was from tingyun.
Hello
If i use algaea with
133spd e0s1 sunday and 132spd e1s0 bornya.
What spd should i try to get on algaea with 3* LC?
And if you can.
Can you try the set up?
No need to 0 cycle I just want to see e0s0 algaea in action with Sunday bronya sustain since I can't find anywhere with that set up TwT😅
With slow supports, you simply need to aim double the speed for Aglaea. Basically, if your Sunday is 134 speed, Aglaea needs double of that which is 268. I'll try the setup if I get the resources.
what are ur thoughts on aglaea overall? :>
Requires too much to work w/o Sunday or Huohuo. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who doesn't have any of those two.
@@LisaraScarlet if i have a e0s1 sunday, is it enough or huohuo will still be much better. now slowly regretting not getting huohuo but chose fu xuan cause prefer her lol, dot wants huohuo, aglaea wants huohuo. everyone wants huohuo well almost
@ Nah, Sunday is more than enough.
@@LisaraScarletAnd when she has her BiS team ( or RMC instead of Robin ), where do you place her in the meta ?
@@jeremsimpact9981 T1 simply because I don't think she's that good for PF. The only characters I'd rate T0 are those who can dominate any type of end-game content like Acheron, Therta and Rappa.
do it E0S0 please, i want to understand what her can do without sig lightcone
0-cycle with E0S0 and no Sunday/Huohuo ... I feel like you're asking a bit too much.
@@LisaraScarlet do it blindfolded too without using hands
how would you rate her ceiling teams compared to other carries ceiling teams
She feels so restrictive but doesn't really reward you that much.
I’ll stick to Sunday and E1 haha
Lisara, should i get robin E1 or S1 ?
E1.
@ thank you
is good aglaea with jade?
i want aglaea speed 160+
is that bad idea?
Should be okay, I was considering it too for PF.
I have E1 Agy, and I would run her with at least Sunday (in case huohuo is required elsewhere), can I drop an ER rope for an atk% instead? Or would i not get full uptime on her supreme stance?
I didn't really use an ER rope on her on my previous video and I had no issue with energy.
If you have E1 on her there's no reason to run ER rope, switch to Atk.
@@veliona8920 thanks for the reply, I just wanted to make sure I can keep full uptime of stance 😊
why high speed robin?
Is it a good idea to pull her if i have only Sunday e1s1 ? I am a little scary about it, a lot of people talks that she is the easiest skip. Weak and expensive
Well, you have Sunday which makes her really strong.
@LisaraScarlet Yes, but my friend told me that's shes too bad without e1s1 and HuoHuo. Do u think that is not a problem ?
@ She does feel hard to use without any of the two. Sunday alone is fine though.
@@LisaraScarlet Thanks for you oppinion, i really need it now. Sorry for bothering :з ❤
@@parksonan252i can definitely say with sunday e1s1 she’ll be exorbitantly powerful. people who say she’s weak cannot comprehend the value of high actions, only high damage. that being said, she already does absurd damage for her # of actions… highest damage per cycle in the game.
Maybe I'm dumb but wouldn't Asta's speed buff be good for her?
She'd burn that speed buff in just measly 2 turns.
i got my first 0 cycle with her (altough i have her e1s1 + sunday e0s1 ) and im having a blast with her right now, super fun unit the whole tracking with either my RMC needs to hold ult for AA or if i want to sunday ult ruan mei (have been using her as my 4th slot) to procc DDD and all of that really changed my mindset towards the game, before i just ulted with feixiao and thats it lmao
Do I really have to use huohuo or would just sunday be enough?
Sunday is enough.
Is slow Aglaea much worse off than 160+ speed?
I can't say yet since I haven't done testing Aglaea.
tingyun over skill
OMG. I’ll pass
Damn, I'm early again.
No Sunday or HuoHuo but have both Aglaea (28% different) and Robin Lightcones lol. Im just joking. But seriously great video.
I still don’t get why casuals find speedtuning hard when all they have to do is copy
I genuinely think it has something to do with how they don't wanna bother accounting things like Dance3x and Eagle set for strategies. Basically, they get overwhelmed. Because of that, they think farming Eagle set feels like absolute shit even though once farmed, it's like permanently there in your account and forever useful.
Some also goes as far to say that some speed requirement is way too high even though someone like Tingyun already has a base speed of 112. Reaching 168 isn't exactly that hard. It is really weird that some people just want everything with minimal investment.
Another is when they see 7 speed substat, they think it's crazy which is obvious that they didn't bother trying upgrading relics with speed subs since 7 speed substat is just rolling on the speed substat twice. That's like an 8% crit or 16% cdmg substat roll.
Holy I yapped.
Limited energy
@@arudoshirogane4774 You'll be surprised at the surplus energy once you stop pulling for every character and start actually investing on end-game support builds.
It's hard, and purely on rng luck stats bro
@@LisaraScarlet even with vertical investment it's still takes a lot of energy. We are talking about casual here, they probably won't have much energy for farming the basic material for upgrading the relic, not to mention farming the optimal relics
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