Nice review, as usual. Rodenstock is not the only company that provides terrible lens caps - Zeiss caps are even worse. Hasselblad came out with a new metal design that is more robust, but they also are a bit unstable. I change all of my caps over to Nikon, exactly like your Hama.
It's mildly incorrect calling this medium format. The capture technical quality really far exceeds anything I ever got out of 4x5 LF film. I think the best companion for the IQ4 is probably a view camera, with full movements like the Cambo Actus series. Man, that'd be really something.
@@mathphotographer the iPhone (and likely other phones) do something similar if you select ‘long exposure’ on a Live Photo. On a pro-sumer camera tho it’s super handy.
Thanks for this. But I "still" do not understand if one has the cash for the XC why one would NOT buy an XT for a tiny bit more. The "only" difference is the body. No shift, + shutter button and +handle (which can be added to the XT). I have "always" found the left grip pointless and now a right grip without buttons/dials etc.... WHY restrict to one lens and not shift? Just to save a very few K on a hefty price. The IQ4 is the same in vbth and you can pick the same lens and put it on the XT. Is the weatherproofing on the XC better than the XT? AND yes the Alpa is even more flexible - but larger and heavier. So the only selling point of the XC is the smaller/more compact size. The disadvantage of the IQ4 is the lack of a tilting rear screen - but one can use cascade and that is great. SO.......... I am sure from an IQ it is wonderful. But useability -vs- XT ??? Or just but both......
Wow what a great camera. Astonishing images, so fresh and crystal clear. Now this camera come in 3 flavours, 23 , 32 , 50 mm Rodenstock lenses, what made you decide for the 23 which is eq to around 17 mm on 35 mm ? Does come as a complete package with the Digital Back or as camera only too ? It is very impressive and congrats with that purchase, early Christmas in Zurich ;-) . I bought the Q3 too, although I am a 28 MP person, the benefits over the normal Q , which I had, and Q2 were so significant, I had to have one. Also thanks to your videos and explanations on the Q3 helped me to make the switch. Thanks to the 3 videos on the Q3 which made setting it up much easier and quicker than going through that tiny manual (my default setting is 36 MP so I have the benefits of the extra stop dynamic range and, plenty of pixels to crop and still have decent file sizes. And my C1 (latest version) does have some problems with the 60 MP edits (ghosting) which is probable due to lack of enough RAM. But 36MP is fine so I am happy. Enjoy your new camera, please show us some more images of beautiful Switzerland in a future video. For now, thanks for sharing and a great weekend !
Thanks RS, like always I really appreciate your pro comments. I will show more images of beautiful Switzerland shot with the Q3 very soon. Was shooting on Furka Pass (James Bond road, Goldfinger). The 23mm focal length is the one I want for architecture, that's why I decided for it. Have a great start into the week and all the best from Zurich.
Naja allein schon die großen Speichermedien kosten ein Vermögen, abgesehen vom neuen Top Computer den es noch braucht. Ich Wette das ein Objektiv mehr kostet als mein Auto. Ein Macroobjektiv wird es wohl nicht geben, für das Tele gibt es einen Trolli dazu.
Its amazing that you got your hands on this camera. This in my view has to be the most niche camera of all time. Doesn’t mean it’s not super cool. :) Thanks so much for making the effort and sharing with everyone. Great work as always.
That photo where the couple were invisible until magnified. And not just that, but the amount of detail rendered in that couple…was extraordinary! 🤯 that’s what 150MP MF sensor gives you, just amazing!
Thank you for your superb introduction to this incredible and expensive MF System! In your opinion, at what size print enlargement would you need in order to see a difference in sharpness and image detail over, say, the Fuji GFX100S LLC or the Hasselblad X2D 100?
Any downsides? I saw a comparison of IQ4 (with Schneider lens) with Hasselblad X2D and the amount of details was underwhelming on IQ4, less than on 100MP sensor of X2D which might be the lens to blame, although Schneider used to make really good optics. But then colors looked off too. X2D was way more precise.
Hi Matt Looks very utilitarian with no effort in industrial design or ergonomics, this plus having a fixed lens for a camera of this price point would also be completely unacceptable for me I do however hope you get lots of use and enjoyment from this camera Image output as expected is very impressive Kindest regards Ron
Image quality is really outstanding. yet I find the body itself a bit uninspiring and like it was designed by apple :) but of course it works as it should and thats the main thing.
Thanks for another excellent video. Phase One say you can shoot this camera hand held, what do you think? If its only tripod then you may as well by the XT and have more flexibility.
At @9:00 : The reason why Rodenstock doesn't provide such lenscap is that the rear part of those lens caps would scratch the front lens element - especially for the 23 and the 32mm lens. I have heard of a few lenses returned for service because of that.. Of course it is not an issue for your setup, having a protective filter in between - but probably vignetting is. I recommend to use screw in lens cap instead. It takes a bit more time to remove the cap, but I believe it is worth.
I still can't see any advantages over the XT system. One will use it 99% of time on tripod, and such FOV lens is definitely not meant for street photo. So, I would definitely prefer shift capabilities and interchangeable lens for the same price. Sightly bigger camera is not an issue here. Maybe I'm just not into this type of lens.
the only purpose for this camera I guess is to show their private equity owners that they are still alive because from a photography standpoint such a solution makes zero sense. it is also clear they do not really care to become attractive as a system for professionals again but keep on recycling their outdated tech and parts as long as possible as boutique tools for rich amateurs......
Thanks a lot for your effort, truly inspiring! I cant find the aperture in the screen grabs of C1, did I miss it? The combination of depth of field and 200% zoom sharpness seems almost impossible. At IQ4's pixel pitch anything above f8 should harm sharpness (a bit) but yet the DoF seems almost total ?!
Is the Aperture adjustable or is it a fixed A of f5.6? I didn’t see any adjustment (only a focus adjustment) on the lens or recall him showing an adjustment on the rear screen. But half the time I’m sleep walking, so could of missed it.
Thanks. Went to the PO website. Took a screen-shot & zoomed in to see it. The only digital I used is little 5.6mp Oly p&s, a SEa &Sea 6mp underwater kit & my Nikon D810. Lenses I own for the Nikon are all done on the camera. Thanks for the replie.
I’m glad to have seen this camera in action. It seems to generate a different world view. Your neck of the woods is very photogenic. Those secret doors! Built by Zurich gnomes, most probably.
Will that Camera have the Ability to take Single Shot captures of Deep sky targets instead of having of putting things ontop of other things ( photo stacking ) Would be interesting to see
Thank you so much. My channel likely is a niche channel but its slowly growing and I am very greatful for that. Its because of people like you who value the effort and work, many thanks!
Why? I have owned the IQ4 and Cambo with this lens. If you want compact, presumably for hand holding, buy the Hasselblad X2D. Lens are of equal quality with 7 stop image stabilization. Phase One has lost their way. Almost 3 years since their last firmware update.
Next firmware comes in September. The build out their portfolio slowly but steadily. This next generation camera justifies its price tag from the IQ4 and this you can use on so many other camera bodies.
Thank you.....still debating if i want to trade my XT for this one...i do love the portability of it and the tilt shift on the XT isn't really a big advantage ,perhaps with the new lenses Rodenstock just announced there is an advantage but i own the 40mm tilt and is really not all that much in my opinion.....
The price comes from the IQ4 and you can purchase various camera bodies affordable to mount the IQ4. Then you have shift functionality and other features.
thanks, yours is the first real look at what the camera really is, a fixed lens, wide-angle camera, even Phase One's own website doesn't make this clear!, so good on you for your full unabridged look at it. ( I asked them, on the website, and they got specular in Melbourne to call me, in Adelaide to confirm this info.- bang on!, this is like a swc for hasselblad, only one lens!, but if you have a use for it, a great tool.). I shoot a lot of things, buildings and vehicles mostly, so I went for the H system, from Hasselblad, second hand, but this lens interchangeability , and with the simpler controls, for a non-pro, like myself, is a better fit for my needs, and with only a P45+ and a cf back (22MP) it is less of a chore for editing in photoshop.
@@mathphotographer yes, but for $AUD 60,000 for a camera set {XF price, with 80mm lens, +back}, and the IQ4 150 costing $AUD 20,000 alone!!, it better be worth it; but like the hasselblad system, you have three cameras, each interchangeable with the back, so for architecture, portraiture, or landscape, you have a body built for the genre, so it can make any one happy.
Nice review, as usual. Rodenstock is not the only company that provides terrible lens caps - Zeiss caps are even worse. Hasselblad came out with a new metal design that is more robust, but they also are a bit unstable. I change all of my caps over to Nikon, exactly like your Hama.
It's mildly incorrect calling this medium format. The capture technical quality really far exceeds anything I ever got out of 4x5 LF film.
I think the best companion for the IQ4 is probably a view camera, with full movements like the Cambo Actus series. Man, that'd be really something.
Agree, good comment, spot on.
What a fun video Great work! truly astonishing sensor.
wish my Q3 had frame averaging, cool feature
Indeed, super cool feature for some shooting situations.
@@mathphotographer the iPhone (and likely other phones) do something similar if you select ‘long exposure’ on a Live Photo. On a pro-sumer camera tho it’s super handy.
Thanks for this.
But I "still" do not understand if one has the cash for the XC why one would NOT buy an XT for a tiny bit more. The "only" difference is the body. No shift, + shutter button and +handle (which can be added to the XT).
I have "always" found the left grip pointless and now a right grip without buttons/dials etc.... WHY restrict to one lens and not shift? Just to save a very few K on a hefty price. The IQ4 is the same in vbth and you can pick the same lens and put it on the XT.
Is the weatherproofing on the XC better than the XT?
AND yes the Alpa is even more flexible - but larger and heavier.
So the only selling point of the XC is the smaller/more compact size.
The disadvantage of the IQ4 is the lack of a tilting rear screen - but one can use cascade and that is great. SO.......... I am sure from an IQ it is wonderful. But useability -vs- XT ???
Or just but both......
Correct - the compactness really plays here. Of course, the IQ4 can then be used on various other camera bodies without difficulties.
Hahahahahahahaha!
I love that wooden handgrip. It is sooooo classic looking.
Hi Math
is there a possibility to put a neck strap on the xc?
Weird backscreen form factor, wider than the images !
Is this only done for a better menus playback ?
Think so.
Thank you for this fantastic review!!! Only you can review these two lenses for Hassy: XCD 4/28P versus XCD 3.5/30... Please please please
Wow what a great camera.
Astonishing images, so fresh and crystal clear.
Now this camera come in 3 flavours, 23 , 32 , 50 mm Rodenstock lenses, what made you decide for the 23 which is eq to around 17 mm on 35 mm ?
Does come as a complete package with the Digital Back or as camera only too ?
It is very impressive and congrats with that purchase, early Christmas in Zurich ;-)
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I bought the Q3 too, although I am a 28 MP person, the benefits over the normal Q , which I had, and Q2 were so significant, I had to have one.
Also thanks to your videos and explanations on the Q3 helped me to make the switch.
Thanks to the 3 videos on the Q3 which made setting it up much easier and quicker than going through that tiny manual (my default setting is 36 MP so I have the benefits of the extra stop dynamic range and, plenty of pixels to crop and still have decent file sizes. And my C1 (latest version) does have some problems with the 60 MP edits (ghosting) which is probable due to lack of enough RAM.
But 36MP is fine so I am happy.
Enjoy your new camera, please show us some more images of beautiful Switzerland in a future video.
For now, thanks for sharing and a great weekend !
Thanks RS, like always I really appreciate your pro comments. I will show more images of beautiful Switzerland shot with the Q3 very soon. Was shooting on Furka Pass (James Bond road, Goldfinger). The 23mm focal length is the one I want for architecture, that's why I decided for it. Have a great start into the week and all the best from Zurich.
Thank you ! Your videos are wonderful and always getting even better. May I please ask that you identify the tripod head that you use? Thank you .
The tripod head is from Arca Swiss with buttons to dial in for adjustments.
@@mathphotographerthank you very much!
I am getting hasselblad 503cw vibes from this new PhaseONE.
Meant 903 SWC
Naja allein schon die großen Speichermedien kosten ein Vermögen, abgesehen vom neuen Top Computer den es noch braucht. Ich Wette das ein Objektiv mehr kostet als mein Auto. Ein Macroobjektiv wird es wohl nicht geben, für das Tele gibt es einen Trolli dazu.
It is a a nano James Webb)))
So you are stuck with one lens? Wtf. NO
Its amazing that you got your hands on this camera. This in my view has to be the most niche camera of all time. Doesn’t mean it’s not super cool. :)
Thanks so much for making the effort and sharing with everyone. Great work as always.
Thank you very much.
Well I don't see the point of making XC as they re-used their own lens and body instead of making a whole new mirrorless camera.
That photo where the couple were invisible until magnified. And not just that, but the amount of detail rendered in that couple…was extraordinary! 🤯 that’s what 150MP MF sensor gives you, just amazing!
Yes - just amazing.
Must have been fun to play with this camera. Astrophotography on this would be amazing.
Fully agree.
Thank you for your superb introduction to this incredible and expensive MF System! In your opinion, at what size print enlargement would you need in order to see a difference in sharpness and image detail over, say, the Fuji GFX100S LLC or the Hasselblad X2D 100?
Any downsides? I saw a comparison of IQ4 (with Schneider lens) with Hasselblad X2D and the amount of details was underwhelming on IQ4, less than on 100MP sensor of X2D which might be the lens to blame, although Schneider used to make really good optics. But then colors looked off too. X2D was way more precise.
Hi Matt
Looks very utilitarian with no effort in industrial design or ergonomics, this plus having a fixed lens for a camera of this price point would also be completely unacceptable for me
I do however hope you get lots of use and enjoyment from this camera
Image output as expected is very impressive
Kindest regards Ron
Hi Ron, the price you pay for this camera is driven by the digital back IQ4 and this one you can still use on many other camera bodies.
The usual excellent comprehensive review. I will have to content myself with the X2D, however. The Phase One is remarkable, though.
The X2D comes close, no worries :)
How is this camera worth 62k ? I know its 150mp... but its 10X the fuji GFX 100S
The sensor size makes the price, not the MP.
Image quality is really outstanding. yet I find the body itself a bit uninspiring and like it was designed by apple :) but of course it works as it should and thats the main thing.
Lol "designed by Apple", I like your comment a lot. Its indeed minimalistic but it gets the job done.
Shockingly overpriced. But you know what PT Barnum said about a certain type of person being born every minute.....
Operating errors upon operating errors - the really interesting thing is not shown: Dual Exposure+, Frame Averaging and ETTR
Since you you have X2D and Phase one. is there a HUGE quality difference between them? or they just render differently? thank you
Interesting review.
Did you ever use a Phase One IQ 100 MP Achromatic digital back?
Instead of this lousy lens cap, the lens should be provided with an lens hood! With using an filter, I never use any lens without an lens hood!
Macchina che fatico a capire nel momento in cui è presente a catalogo la Xt che permette di cambiare ottica e di avere anche i movimento shift.
Is this setup just for landscape use or can it be used for portrait photography?
Is there anyway to see the f-stop in the capture one screens?
Fixed lens? No thanks.
Understood. But the real asset here is the IQ4 and you can easily use this with other affordable camera bodies with shift.
Why is it covered in dirt straight out the box?
Thanks for another excellent video. Phase One say you can shoot this camera hand held, what do you think? If its only tripod then you may as well by the XT and have more flexibility.
You can shoot it hand-hold but I most of the time use it on tripod.
what do you think of the new XC40 from Phase One? Will you do a review?
thanks
At @9:00 : The reason why Rodenstock doesn't provide such lenscap is that the rear part of those lens caps would scratch the front lens element - especially for the 23 and the 32mm lens. I have heard of a few lenses returned for service because of that..
Of course it is not an issue for your setup, having a protective filter in between - but probably vignetting is.
I recommend to use screw in lens cap instead. It takes a bit more time to remove the cap, but I believe it is worth.
I still can't see any advantages over the XT system. One will use it 99% of time on tripod, and such FOV lens is definitely not meant for street photo. So, I would definitely prefer shift capabilities and interchangeable lens for the same price. Sightly bigger camera is not an issue here. Maybe I'm just not into this type of lens.
the only purpose for this camera I guess is to show their private equity owners that they are still alive because from a photography standpoint such a solution makes zero sense. it is also clear they do not really care to become attractive as a system for professionals again but keep on recycling their outdated tech and parts as long as possible as boutique tools for rich amateurs......
Thanks a lot for your effort, truly inspiring! I cant find the aperture in the screen grabs of C1, did I miss it? The combination of depth of field and 200% zoom sharpness seems almost impossible. At IQ4's pixel pitch anything above f8 should harm sharpness (a bit) but yet the DoF seems almost total ?!
Is the Aperture adjustable or is it a fixed A of f5.6? I didn’t see any adjustment (only a focus adjustment) on the lens or recall him showing an adjustment on the rear screen. But half the time I’m sleep walking, so could of missed it.
The aperture can be of course adjusted.
@@mathphotographer on lens/ dial?
Thanks. Went to the PO website. Took a screen-shot & zoomed in to see it. The only digital I used is little 5.6mp Oly p&s, a SEa &Sea 6mp underwater kit & my Nikon D810. Lenses I own for the Nikon are all done on the camera. Thanks for the replie.
I’m glad to have seen this camera in action. It seems to generate a different world view. Your neck of the woods is very photogenic. Those secret doors! Built by Zurich gnomes, most probably.
Will that Camera have the Ability to take Single Shot captures of Deep sky targets instead of having of putting things ontop of other things ( photo stacking )
Would be interesting to see
please，take a look at that pentax k33 monochrome, the only reviewer that I trust on the internet.
Congrats on reaching 40k subs, *_mathphotographer!_*
Thank you so much. My channel likely is a niche channel but its slowly growing and I am very greatful for that. Its because of people like you who value the effort and work, many thanks!
👍👍👍
Why? I have owned the IQ4 and Cambo with this lens. If you want compact, presumably for hand holding, buy the Hasselblad X2D. Lens are of equal quality with 7 stop image stabilization. Phase One has lost their way. Almost 3 years since their last firmware update.
Next firmware comes in September. The build out their portfolio slowly but steadily. This next generation camera justifies its price tag from the IQ4 and this you can use on so many other camera bodies.
Math was HEATED about that plastic lens cap.
Fixed lens? No thanks.
No issue. But don't forget: the price comes from the digital back IQ4 and this one you can use on a ton of other camera bodies :)
The Ultimate!!! I’m smitten. Excellent!
Thanks!
I wanna try that ! it looks very inspiring to shoot with !
Thank you.....still debating if i want to trade my XT for this one...i do love the portability of it and the tilt shift on the XT isn't really a big advantage ,perhaps with the new lenses Rodenstock just announced there is an advantage but i own the 40mm tilt and is really not all that much in my opinion.....
This one finally is super compact and you can still purchase in addition an XT or ALPA camera body to use the IQ4 with shift functionality.
This was helpful. Thank you
A 16mm not very useful.......
Without tilt and shift.... and so
Expensive....
The price comes from the IQ4 and you can purchase various camera bodies affordable to mount the IQ4. Then you have shift functionality and other features.
Shoot night shots.
Will do of course.
Very interesting indeed. Many thanks.
Thanks for this video ❤
thanks, yours is the first real look at what the camera really is, a fixed lens, wide-angle camera, even Phase One's own website doesn't make this clear!, so good on you for your full unabridged look at it. ( I asked them, on the website, and they got specular in Melbourne to call me, in Adelaide to confirm this info.- bang on!, this is like a swc for hasselblad, only one lens!, but if you have a use for it, a great tool.).
I shoot a lot of things, buildings and vehicles mostly, so I went for the H system, from Hasselblad, second hand, but this lens interchangeability , and with the simpler controls, for a non-pro, like myself, is a better fit for my needs, and with only a P45+ and a cf back (22MP) it is less of a chore for editing in photoshop.
The expensive part of this camera is the digital back IQ4. You can use it on so many other cameras so as said, its really versatile.
@@mathphotographer yes, but for $AUD 60,000 for a camera set {XF price, with 80mm lens, +back}, and the IQ4 150 costing $AUD 20,000 alone!!, it better be worth it; but like the hasselblad system, you have three cameras, each interchangeable with the back, so for architecture, portraiture, or landscape, you have a body built for the genre, so it can make any one happy.
this its a great video
It will come in handy for my Instagram photos of cats and dolls.
Haha, yes. You better use your phone for Insta :)
Incroyable 😮
Thank you for sharing your experience!
You are very welcome.
That’s just simply amazing
Yes indeed 😊
Their are cameras and then there is Phase One, utterly extraordinary 👌