Very awesome presentation, and kudos on the model. I was stationed at the Submarine Base in Pearl Harbor through most of the late 80's and was a frequent visitor of both the Arizona and Utah memorials. You've done a great job and incredible service for future generations to see her as she was before and after the attack, and busted many of the myths. From a Retired Chief Petty Officer, HAND SALUTE on a job well done!
Thank you Sammy and thank you for your service! Unfortunately this video was done very early on in my video agra for days and the quality isn’t well it should be however, this is the only rendition of the Utah on December 7, 1941 in pretty much any scale.
@@maddogmerv Merv, you are far too hard on yourself and modest... It's not the quality that counts- it's the RESPECT you guys have for doing it and sharing it with the rest of the World. Very well done, Sir!
Its Dec 7, 2021.... The commitment is still working!! Its appreciated too, as my father was a new sailor, just 17, aboard USS California that morning...
My late father served on the Utah from Jan 39 to Nov 41, missing the attack by 3 weeks). Not only did she train gunners, she also served as a target ship, literally. The AAF seeking to improve its bombing results routinely engaged in practice with the Utah. Although supposedly targeting a pulled target the Utah was actually struck by the water bombs, hence the need for the planking on the deck. Some how the AAF did not understand that water at 10,000 feet is ice and is more like a bomb then water. A miscommunication one-day led to a water bomb entering the space where my father was performing his Pharmacist Mate duties as a Dental Technician. The Utah also tested may innovations and without the need for those big guns a lot of space was opened up. With the transfer of the Pac Fleet from California to Pearl in 1940, the local facilities were overwhelmed and Utah assumed one roll having Dental facilities for the Pac Fleet on board. Thanks again from Narragansett Bay
Utah would have been a formidable AA fortress on Pearl Harbor Day if she hadn't been the very first ship to be attacked. She had no chance to even respond to anything. She had the most state-of-the-art 40mm Bofors, 20mm guns, and huge 5" dual purpose guns in small turrets on her while all the other battleships had minimal AA guns in comparison. If the Japanese had ignored her like planned and she was given 5-10 minutes to uncover her guns' covers and brought out the live ammo they could have done some heavy damage to the Japanese airplanes. It is shocking when reading about Utah's configuration on 12/7/41 how she was truly a AA gun fortress. She was not merely some "radio-controlled target ship". She was given a bunch of AA guns of all types in early 1941 so she could train all the Pearl Harbor ships' crew on how to use the upcoming brand new AA guns.
I want to thank you for caring for these great ships. Your model is one of the best I have ever seen. I had the privileged to know sever veterans from Dec 7, 1941 and have even seen that ship in Pearl Harbor from the air in the late 1960,s. Again thank you for sharing this video and the great model.
Well thank you for taking the time to stop by and checking out the video and taking the time to comment. Is so important that we keep the history and the memories alive.
Outstanding video and model. I visited the Utah just this week as it is open to visitors that are part of the Missouri tour. You can't walk there but have to be bussed.
Thanks very much for this info on the USS Utah. I knew a sailor on this ship during the attack. When it began to capsize he was cut up some by barnacles attached to the ship as he sled into the water. His only injury, and later he was assigned to the light cruiser USS Detroit with my dad.
You are an amazing master modeler. Quite an undertaking to build a model from scratch for others to enjoy and remember history and those who gave their lives. Over a half century ago.
Good pics of the ship and great model! I've lived on Oahu all my life and I went to the Utah Memorial (when Ford island was still only reached by ferry--before they had the Missouri there and the island was off limits to the public. I'm a painting contractor and was doing a job on Ford Island). But I've never seen any pics of the Utah as a target ship. Thanks for this video! P.S. I appreciate that you pronounced "quay" the right way. So many people (including the National Park historian at Pearl (Daniel Martinez) pronounce it "kway." :)
Thank you for watching and thank you for commenting. I appreciate the kind words. December 7th has always been a passion of mine and I have quite a collection of models that I used to use to teach with back when there were a lot of the veterans still alive.
Came across this. Have been on Ford island and was able to see the Utah. I felt very privileged to get to see something hardly anybody gets to see. Thank you.
Thank you very much, very interesting video. My father was a Pearl Harbor survivor, and was stationed on the USS Utah. He would certainly have appreciated your informative video. Beautiful job on the model! You probably know this already by now, but Iron Shipwrights produces a 1/350 scale resin model kit of the USS Utah now, for either the battleship or the target ship configuration.
Excellent video and beautiful models! I used to build models as a kid, and as I just retired, your video has me thinking about taking up the old hobby again!
My father was on board just coming off the midnight shift in the engine room. He immediately headed up to the deck, walked the roll of the ship, then swam toward Ford island.
You did your homework well. And my compliments on those model ships you did as well. I'm a model ship builder as well. Being a navy vet I appreciate looking at those shipmodel w/ a sailors eye.
Thanks, I spent several years going to reunions and the one that Utah guys had here in Salt Lake several years ago was great! It was nice to share this model with them.
Thank you for the kind words and thank you for watching. I plan on putting out another piece that tells more of Utah's history sometime this next year.
@@maddogmerv 280 Class destroyers for Canadian Navy about 1992 I believe the scale was 1:175 or so I can’t recall. I made 4 of these models in total. I still have about 4 or 5 leftover vacuum abs formed hulls I made. I also worked on a huge 1:5 model of the engine space of the then new 1989 or so Canadian Destroyer for Saint Johns Shipyard. I have a few pictures I can send you if you like. Regards, John
Thank you for many things I never knew. Especially what she was really like before the attack and building her. I spent a portion of my life building a fleet too, and I guess some young boys will get them
John Kelley thank you for taking the time out to stop by and check this video out. Glad you were able to learn a few new things about it. It was really a labor of love although I made this video back in the early days of my videography. This model of the Utah has been on display at the state capital as well as many and various other veteran activities around the state.
I have long wondered about the happenings of this vessel. I often passed the ships bell mounted outside the Navy’s building on the University of Utah Campus.
Thanks for watching. I was fortunate to be able to talk with some of the survivors over the years at some of their reunions. I received some great insight from them.
I was actually able to visit the Utah and memorial one year even though I was a civilian (I believe you have to be active duty military to go there). I was visiting the Missouri and I asked one of the staff if the Utah was open to visitors. I was told it was so I just walked all the way across Ford Island to see her. No one stopped me and told me I shouldn't be there.
You're definitely one of the lucky ones that's awesome you have to see it. When you're standing there on the shore doesn't it just seem like you can reach out and touch it?
Thanks for sharing..I have seen the Utah on commercial tour boat, albeit at high tide, so only a tiny bit of metal was showing above the surface. We laid a wreath, an paid our respects to the fallen.........
Nice video and great models. I think Utah has reciprocating engines, which likely means that even if she had not been damaged she never would have been considered for a return to front line duty. Tiger was disposed of under the treaty. Some say that she should have been retained due to her speed and an R class be stricken instead. The counter argument was that Tiger would not have deterred a convoy raider because her 13.5 inch guns were not significantly more powerful than the 11 inch guns carried by the heavy German ships. Utah, having 12 inch guns was even further back, with no real way of being up gunned or made to go faster. With her reciprocating engines rather than turbines, Utah would never be competitive in terms of speed and was arguably obsolescent due to her power plant even when new. She did serve the USN well and honourably though, and your video brought that home in spades.
Thank you so much for watching and thank you for taking the time to comment. This was surely a labor of love not just because I live in the state of Utah but because of the fine men who served on this ship and as a remembrance to those who perished on December 7th 1941.
My good friend was aboard the USS Honolulu, and fought back furiously. He saw the bow blow off the Shaw, and saw the bomb intended for Honolulu released, but got out of the way before it hit the pier and exploded, denting the ship and hurting guys below decks. I met him at 80 and listened to his stories for 13 years, until he passed.
The "Florida" class became surplus due to the signing of the 1930 London Naval Treaty, not the Washington Treaty. you have to remember that she was rebuilt around 1926, when she was given oil fired boilers.
Utah would have been a formidable AA fortress on Pearl Harbor Day if she hadn't been the very first ship to be attacked. She had no chance to even respond to anything. She had the most state-of-the-art 40mm Bofors, 20mm guns, and huge 5" dual purpose guns in small turrets on her while all the other battleships had minimal AA guns in comparison. If the Japanese had ignored her like planned and she was given 5-10 minutes to uncover her guns' covers and brought out the live ammo they could have done some heavy damage to the Japanese airplanes. It is shocking when reading about Utah's configuration on 12/7/41 how she was truly a AA gun fortress. She was not merely some "radio-controlled target ship". She was given a bunch of AA guns of all types in early 1941 so she could train all the Pearl Harbor ships' crew on how to use the upcoming brand new AA guns.
The Missouri means absolutely nothing to me but the Arizona and Utah do. They were there on December 7, 1941, and should be the ONLY ships of WWII still there. It would have been a far better thing if they had placed the Enterprise or Nevada where the Missouri is wasting space now.
I have seen other videos that have stated the Utah sank in a location that made it near on impossible to raise the ship after it cap sized. The Oklahoma which also cap sized was fortunate to have sunk in a location where the ship could have been saved and raised to an up right position.. A lot of dangerous work was performed in raising warships after the attack .Lives were lost as the work was being done. The battleship West Virginia didn't return to service in the Pacific until 1944.
They should add the death toll of the salvager servicemen to the death toll of Pearl Harbor. Without Pearl Harbor they would not have been doing all that dangerous work.
Very nice representation of a fine ship. As a modeler I also lament the lack of a manufacturer giving us a kit of the Utah. As a side note, are you aware that the famous bank robber John Dillinger was once stationed aboard the Utah? He supposedly deserted from the Navy but apparently it wasn't a big enough deal back then as he was never tracked down as a deserter.
Thank you for watching! Yes I wish it would be open up for everybody. It’s such a beautiful and serene place. When I was there I felt like I could just reach out and touch it but it’s not quite that close to shore.
The last Japanese airman who participated on the attack on Pearl Harbor, Masamitsu Yoshioka, passed away today at the the age of 106. He was the navigator on one of the planes that hit the USS Utah.
@@kenowens9021 Thank you for watching, and thank you for commenting. That's great information. Thank you for sharing I will pass it along to my historian friends.
@@maddogmerv He said they did a lot of training for the attack but he actually never took off from a carrier until that fateful morning. He was scared. Also, they only used one real torpedo during training because they cost so much. They took out the explosive and filled it with water. After one drop, it was retrieved, and used for the next plane.
My grandfather, Howard Newlin served on her as part of her inaugural crew in 1911. He referred to her as a fine ship and always wondered what her fate was after the attack. I have some of his photos he took while on board.
she was an old ship well worn by the time of the attack, even with her anti torpedo bulges the combination of the long lance (probably the deadliest torpedo of the war) and her hull's age are likely the co-contributors of her quick sinking even with attempts at counterflooding. im not aware of any assessments that may have been made of the side that was struck (as she was lying on that side) to see how much of the damage was direct blast damage and how much was the hull giving way post explosion, but it would be interesting to see if such a study had been made and what its conclusions were...
Good comment. One correction though - the Long Lance torpedo (Type 93) was huge and only used by IJN cruisers and destroyers. They were too large for torpedo bombers to carry. The Kates that attacked Pearl that morning were equipped with Type 91 torpedoes, designed to be dropped from aircraft. These were further modified to run shallow to avoid being buried in the mud at Pearl Harbor.
@@desertfoxleo Yup. One midget submarine did succeed and hit a torpedo at WV and OK each. It was the #16 sub. That famous photo is such a photo of a periscope and two torpedo lines coming from that periscope. The submarine torpedoes were huge. Twice as big as the Type 91s. Utah would have been a formidable AA fortress on Pearl Harbor Day if she hadn't been the very first ship to be attacked. She had no chance to even respond to anything. She had the most state-of-the-art 40mm Bofors, 20mm guns, and huge 5" dual purpose guns in small turrets on her while all the other battleships had minimal AA guns in comparison. If the Japanese had ignored her like planned and she was given 5-10 minutes to uncover her guns' covers and brought out the live ammo they could have done some heavy damage to the Japanese airplanes. It is shocking when reading about Utah's configuration on 12/7/41 how she was truly a AA gun fortress. She was not merely some "radio-controlled target ship". She was given a bunch of AA guns of all types in early 1941 so she could train all the Pearl Harbor ships' crew on how to use the upcoming brand new AA guns. It is not fair to call her some "ex battleship". She was an anti-aircraft fortress on a battleship that day.
Did you try blue jacket models , they are the official navy ship model builders , im sure you already have .but it's a thought to speak with them about adding a turn off the century dreadnought collection.. like from the Maine to the Utah..I believe as well it's important to remember these vessels ..they have played a big part in our history..
I tried every available resource that was available at the time I started the build (1995) since then some other resources have become available for the Florida class.
I have always thought it rather interesting and obvious of course that’s the Pacific Fleet in 1941 would pretty much all fit in Pearl Harbor and by August 1945. You wouldn’t have been able to get more than one of Mitcher’s task groups in there. The third suite would’ve had to sit outside the harbor. I always remember one story where the USS hornet had her bow pushed up, and her flight deck rendered useless by a typhoon and had to go back for repairs to Bremerton. They sent several ships and another carrier to protect her that was in 1945 and that would’ve been almost the entire fleet at Midway just a couple of years earlier. Amazing what America can do when it has to.
It really is a magnificent piece. I remember when they were developing it many years ago we had a few conversations about what the details were that needed to be included. I may pick one up one of these days just to build the anti-aircraft training version.
I was taking a walk earlier today and looked into the memorial I’ve nown it was there just never looked into it and there is one cool thing about it not really cool now that I think about it but I can see it out side my window a piece of history I’ve never looked into it seems really interesting too
I sure do! I should put out a patreon and ask for donations to help get one. I understand Andy's hobby headquarters has a really nice one that would be easy for a beginner like me. I recently tried to purchase the 1/350th scale Utah and it's currently out of production. Thanks for watching and thanks for commenting.
@@maddogmerv probably a cold day in hell finding that issue. I always liked old battleships to start with. Something about cage masts always liked them, actually better than the tripod masts!
Hey, have you heard of the Hawaiian law? If not we can’t get rid of building over 50 years old Which is kind of cool expessually if you drive around you’ll see abunch of cool things like bomb shelters a lighthouse and more
Commander Series Models a.k.a. Iron Shiprights make a fine model of The Florida/Utah in1/350 scale that is now available.Its the only BB in 1/350 at Pearl I dont have yet.
I've been very curious as to what the purpose of USS Utah was during the attack on Pearl Harbor. Like why was she not lifted and reused like the other salvaged ships after the attacks. So this video which explains her purpose before and during the attacks gives a lot of information and educational to those who just see her as an unknown wreck today.
@T.J. Kong Too bad the Oklahoma sank under tow to the west coast during a storm. She would have made a great centerpiece to any battle she could have engaged in.
@T.J. Kong That was also why Arizona could not be raised and salvaged. She is on the same exact type of silty bottom like Utah. Those two ships were always going to be stuck at Pearl Harbor unless they wanted to use some underwater explosions to cut them into pieces and then do all that timec-onsuming and dangerous activity. Arizona wasn't left there with the purpose of becoming a memorial at all. If that bomb had hit Oklahoma or West Virginia for total destruction they would have been cleared so the channel could be accessible again. Arizona and Utah were sunk in places that just luckily make it to where they could become memorials due to impossibility of raising them.
I remember reading somewhere that the USS Utah actually had remote control capabilities and could therefore simulate a ship's maneuvering while under attack. Again, I'm not certain but this is something I had read about many years ago. I wonder what kind of role she would have played in the war had she not been sunk. Maybe her guns could have fired in revenge? We'll never know. Not possible? Well, don't tell the USS Texas that!
They salvaged the china and flat ware from the officer's mess which now sits in the Utah's governor's mansion in Salt Lake City It sits under lock and key and is still used for official formal state dinners. Everything is counted out and counted back in. Ricco Renzetti CEC CCE executive chef retired.
Art Haynes Oh OK, I have seen one that was actually on display at the Utah State Capital for a while. It was A large scale and it was prior to the Target ship/gunnery training ship fitting
Only know three things about the uss utah ...1# the uss utah had a sister ship which was the uss florida, 2# it was sunk on december 7th at pearl harbour ,3# the japanese pilot who sunk it turnef 105 years old a few months age.
A lot of people don't know there's a urn,on the Utah holding the ashes of a little girl that belong to one of the officers that was going to bury her at sea.
Yes, there was the remains of a baby on board! One of the officers had the ashes of their recently deceased child in a urn to be buried at sea. Thanks for watching.
We made them pay for that and it made us a stronger and more powerful country that other country's don't want to mess with. I have two father's that served on one of those aircraft carrier that was not at port that day
While I applaud you for remembering and doing something, I’m gonna hit you for historical accuracy. Torpedo BILGES ? No. They were called BLISTERS. Inexperienced aviators ? Not even close. IJN air arm was, at that time, the best in the world and had massive amounts of experience in combat operations. It is highly doubtful that any other naval air arm could’ve pulled that attack to that degree of success.
Thanks, I stand corrected on the blisters. I knew that but unintentionally miss spoke. I do stand by my comment about the aviators experience. I agree the majority did have combat experience and they were highly trained and disciplined, and certainly no other air arm could have pulled off an attack to that degree of success. However the specific section that went after the Utah according to the research provided to me had never faced this type of attack before other than training. With that said, it is still unclear as to why such a highly trained and briefed crew would make the mistake of dropping on the Utah. I think it is safe to say "In the heat of battle". Thanks for watching and commenting. I always enjoy feedback and discussion. :)
@@maddogmerv The "fog of war!" And, I agree with the idea that the section that attacked the USS Utah were not as experienced as those that had flown against the Chinese for years. They were told there were no carriers that morning and don't waste torpedoes on training ships. I would point out that the British with far fewer (20) and much older (Biplanes) planes, and at war with the Italians at the time of the attack so no surprise and all the defenses with manned, did a better job than the IJN. Although the Pearl Harbor attack was successful it wasn't as good as it could have been. Finally one of the reasons why the USS Utah capsized so quickly was her under water compartments were large and allowed the water to spread more quickly and made it almost impossible to counter flood in a timely manner. That was one of the reasons why she couldn't be righted like the USS Oklahoma. Great job on the model and filling in some of the holes, pun intended, on the history of the USS Utah!
As these Japanese torpedo pilots assigned to striking the US carriers realised that the carriers were not there they were ordered to strike any other capital ships The decision and strike would have be enacted in minutes bearing in mind the limited time the Kates would have had over the target area dictated by fuel and the time expected by the US air defence to react placing them in danger and there requirement for a third strike wave later that was cancelled after the second strike wave
There at pearl? I had hoped one time that when I retired I would settle in Pearl Harbor and actually be able to work at the museum that would be kind of my lifelong dream. That place and the Museum of the Pacific would definitely be something that I could go and spend every day the the rest of my life at.
I know it’s very very sad. When I went with Dick Fisk several years ago, I couldn’t figure out what the big deal was as to why just anybody couldn’t go over to the Utah.I still remember standing there on the shore thinking Man she’s so close I could just reach out and touch her.
Marcus, thank you for taking the time out to watch the video. unfortunately, I made this a couple years ago in the early days of my channel. The quality of the video isn’t all that good.
There is no such medal as "The Congressional Medal of Honor". There is a "Medal of Honor" awarded by Congress. For this honor, an individual must be recommended by the entire chain of command. The President being the Commander in Chief. Then Congress, not the House, votes on it by a simple majority. The house and Congress may recommend to the President, he may agree, then the Senate votes. There are stipulations for the initial recommending officer. Anyone who has served knows this.
we all must remember the infamous member of the Utah crew. a farm boy from Indiana. he deserted and was later given a dishonorable discharge. John Dillinger.
I don't mean to be rude or condescending but I want to point out saying: "Congressional Medal of Honor" is totally incorrect. The award is the "Medal of Honor". It is awarded by the President not the Congress. Congress only confirms the award, it has no role in actually making the award. Semper Fidelis!
However, if you look back in history it has been know and referred to as both "The Medal of Honor" and "The Congressional Medal of Honor" historically. But I do know what you are getting at. The proper term would be best to use. Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment, I appreciate it. :)
Thanks for watching. The rear cage mast was removed when she was converted to a Training ship in the 1920's. The foremast was destroyed when she rolled over at Pearl Harbor.
Thank you for your comments. This was definitely one of the videos I did in my early days and yes I would agree several errors for one thing too close up of a narration and definitely a flat delivery. If you wouldn't mind checking out the video I did this last fall on the USS Arizona and compare and let me know if you still think that the videos are that way because it's important to me to have feedback and criticism so that I can do better. Thank you again
Well thanks for watching and thanks for taking the time to comment. In the two years this video has been up that's the second time I heard that comment. I appreciate the comments because that's how I learn to do better. This was one of my first videos and yes it was awfully close and the lighting wasn't good, so my apologies. I haven't done anything like this since. I do however hope you got more out of it than just the awful close up. The ship has an amazing history and this is really the only model of it and it's December 7th form.
@@maddogmerv yea i im from Cheyenne and I might be making it for the museum. It is about 9 feet in length, ironically like the M class light cruiser is 8 feet 8 inches.
thank you for being committed to bringing this to a dwindling audience.
Very awesome presentation, and kudos on the model. I was stationed at the Submarine Base in Pearl Harbor through most of the late 80's and was a frequent visitor of both the Arizona and Utah memorials. You've done a great job and incredible service for future generations to see her as she was before and after the attack, and busted many of the myths. From a Retired Chief Petty Officer, HAND SALUTE on a job well done!
Thank you Sammy and thank you for your service! Unfortunately this video was done very early on in my video agra for days and the quality isn’t well it should be however, this is the only rendition of the Utah on December 7, 1941 in pretty much any scale.
@@maddogmerv Merv, you are far too hard on yourself and modest... It's not the quality that counts- it's the RESPECT you guys have for doing it and sharing it with the rest of the World. Very well done, Sir!
Its Dec 7, 2021.... The commitment is still working!! Its appreciated too, as my father was a new sailor, just 17, aboard USS California that morning...
My late father served on the Utah from Jan 39 to Nov 41, missing the attack by 3 weeks). Not only did she train gunners, she also served as a target ship, literally. The AAF seeking to improve its bombing results routinely engaged in practice with the Utah. Although supposedly targeting a pulled target the Utah was actually struck by the water bombs, hence the need for the planking on the deck. Some how the AAF did not understand that water at 10,000 feet is ice and is more like a bomb then water. A miscommunication one-day led to a water bomb entering the space where my father was performing his Pharmacist Mate duties as a Dental Technician. The Utah also tested may innovations and without the need for those big guns a lot of space was opened up. With the transfer of the Pac Fleet from California to Pearl in 1940, the local facilities were overwhelmed and Utah assumed one roll having Dental facilities for the Pac Fleet on board. Thanks again from Narragansett Bay
My grandfather also.
@@mikestanley9176 Maybe you guys are related!
Thank you for rembering the UTAH ,she served her country honorably
Utah would have been a formidable AA fortress on Pearl Harbor Day if she hadn't been the very first ship to be attacked. She had no chance to even respond to anything. She had the most state-of-the-art 40mm Bofors, 20mm guns, and huge 5" dual purpose guns in small turrets on her while all the other battleships had minimal AA guns in comparison. If the Japanese had ignored her like planned and she was given 5-10 minutes to uncover her guns' covers and brought out the live ammo they could have done some heavy damage to the Japanese airplanes. It is shocking when reading about Utah's configuration on 12/7/41 how she was truly a AA gun fortress. She was not merely some "radio-controlled target ship". She was given a bunch of AA guns of all types in early 1941 so she could train all the Pearl Harbor ships' crew on how to use the upcoming brand new AA guns.
I want to thank you for caring for these great ships. Your model is one of the best I have ever seen. I had the privileged to know sever veterans from Dec 7, 1941 and have even seen that ship in Pearl Harbor from the air in the late 1960,s. Again thank you for sharing this video and the great model.
Well thank you for taking the time to stop by and checking out the video and taking the time to comment. Is so important that we keep the history and the memories alive.
Outstanding video and model. I visited the Utah just this week as it is open to visitors that are part of the Missouri tour. You can't walk there but have to be bussed.
Thanks very much for this info on the USS Utah. I knew a sailor on this ship during the attack. When it began to capsize he was cut up some by barnacles attached to the ship as he sled into the water. His only injury, and later he was assigned to the light cruiser USS Detroit with my dad.
Was that Lee Soucy?
You are an amazing master modeler. Quite an undertaking to build a model from scratch for others to enjoy and remember history and those who gave their lives. Over a half century ago.
Thanks for the history. I have pulled into Pearl a few times in the 60s and 70s.
Good pics of the ship and great model! I've lived on Oahu all my life and I went to the Utah Memorial (when Ford island was still only reached by ferry--before they had the Missouri there and the island was off limits to the public. I'm a painting contractor and was doing a job on Ford Island). But I've never seen any pics of the Utah as a target ship. Thanks for this video!
P.S. I appreciate that you pronounced "quay" the right way. So many people (including the National Park historian at Pearl (Daniel Martinez) pronounce it "kway." :)
I think it’s awesome to keep the memory of December 7th 1941 alive. Thanks.
Thank you for watching and thank you for commenting. I appreciate the kind words. December 7th has always been a passion of mine and I have quite a collection of models that I used to use to teach with back when there were a lot of the veterans still alive.
Came across this. Have been on Ford island and was able to see the Utah. I felt very privileged to get to see something hardly anybody gets to see. Thank you.
Thank you for watching. And I was on Ford Island it felt like you could almost Reach Out And Touch the Utah it was so close
Thank you very much, very interesting video. My father was a Pearl Harbor survivor, and was stationed on the USS Utah. He would certainly have appreciated your informative video. Beautiful job on the model! You probably know this already by now, but Iron Shipwrights produces a 1/350 scale resin model kit of the USS Utah now, for either the battleship or the target ship configuration.
Yes they do. I think I know where they got some of their information. LOL thank you for watching you have an awesome Legacy with your father.
Great job on the model and very informative story, thanks
Excellent video and beautiful models! I used to build models as a kid, and as I just retired, your video has me thinking about taking up the old hobby again!
Thank you for watching, yes it is a great hobby for those of us who are retired.
My father was on board just coming off the midnight shift in the engine room. He immediately headed up to the deck, walked the roll of the ship, then swam toward Ford island.
What a great heritage! I met several of the men at some of the reunions. Lee Sousey had a very similar experience. Thanks for watching.
Thanx for this vid. I think it is important to remember those ships that are not in the focus of general interest. So - good job!
You did your homework well. And my compliments on those model ships you did as well. I'm a model ship builder as well. Being a navy vet I appreciate looking at those shipmodel w/ a sailors eye.
Thanks, I spent several years going to reunions and the one that Utah guys had here in Salt Lake several years ago was great! It was nice to share this model with them.
Thanks for posting! I had an uncle on the Utah during the attack at Pearl Harbor and I know he would be honored to see this.
Thanks for watching
She's not forgotten by plenty of visitors at Pearl. Your story and model, as well as the researched photos give her attention and respect. Thanks.
Thank you for the kind words and thank you for watching. I plan on putting out another piece that tells more of Utah's history sometime this next year.
Dude, you are amazing. Your devotion is unbelievable. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for watching and thanks for the kind words.
You have an incredible gift....Amazing presentation....Thank you.
Thank you for watching. Your kind comments are appreciated. Building this model was a dedicated year of my life but,these men need to be remembered.
Great work . Excellent craftsmanship. I too have scratch built military vessels it is a labor of love and reward. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for watching and commenting. I much prefer scratch building in 1/700 scale. Much easier. What kind of ships do you build?
@@maddogmerv
280 Class destroyers for Canadian Navy about 1992 I believe the scale was 1:175 or so I can’t recall. I made 4 of these models in total. I still have about 4 or 5 leftover vacuum abs formed hulls I made.
I also worked on a huge 1:5 model of the engine space of the then new 1989 or so Canadian Destroyer for Saint Johns Shipyard. I have a few pictures I can send you if you like.
Regards, John
That would be nice to see those.
Thank you for many things I never knew. Especially what she was really like before the attack and building her. I spent a portion of my life building a fleet too, and I guess some young boys will get them
This was a great video. I learned a lot about the USS Utah. Your model looks very good too. Thanks for sharing this.
John Kelley thank you for taking the time out to stop by and check this video out. Glad you were able to learn a few new things about it. It was really a labor of love although I made this video back in the early days of my videography. This model of the Utah has been on display at the state capital as well as many and various other veteran activities around the state.
Thanks for making this very informative video and sharing your awesome modelling skills!
William Foulkes thank you for watching!
Thanks for this fascinating presentation . I hadn’t known much about the Utah
Thank you so much for watching!
I have long wondered about the happenings of this vessel. I often passed the ships bell mounted outside the Navy’s building on the University of Utah Campus.
Thanks for watching. I was fortunate to be able to talk with some of the survivors over the years at some of their reunions. I received some great insight from them.
Great video, thx!! The model is unbelievable! Well Done!!
Thank you for this. My grandfather served on Utah in early 1941.
That's awesome, what did he do when he was stationed there?
@@maddogmerv Machinist Mate second. Later he went on to be a salvage diver. Actually dived on Arizona and ironically Utah.
I saw the USS Utah when I was in the Navy and stationed on Ford Island in the late 70s.
I was actually able to visit the Utah and memorial one year even though I was a civilian (I believe you have to be active duty military to go there). I was visiting the Missouri and I asked one of the staff if the Utah was open to visitors. I was told it was so I just walked all the way across Ford Island to see her. No one stopped me and told me I shouldn't be there.
You're definitely one of the lucky ones that's awesome you have to see it. When you're standing there on the shore doesn't it just seem like you can reach out and touch it?
Thanks for sharing..I have seen the Utah on commercial tour boat, albeit at high tide, so only a tiny bit of metal was showing above the surface. We laid a wreath, an paid our respects to the fallen.........
Wow...as a model builder myself, that's so impressive !! You did the Utah proud!!
Thank you that means a lot coming from a fellow modeler.
Nice video and great models. I think Utah has reciprocating engines, which likely means that even if she had not been damaged she never would have been considered for a return to front line duty.
Tiger was disposed of under the treaty.
Some say that she should have been retained due to her speed and an R class be stricken instead. The counter argument was that Tiger would not have deterred a convoy raider because her 13.5 inch guns were not significantly more powerful than the 11 inch guns carried by the heavy German ships.
Utah, having 12 inch guns was even further back, with no real way of being up gunned or made to go faster.
With her reciprocating engines rather than turbines, Utah would never be competitive in terms of speed and was arguably obsolescent due to her power plant even when new.
She did serve the USN well and honourably though, and your video brought that home in spades.
Thank you for watching and thank you for your kind words!
Thank you for this video. Hard for even a tough old fireman not to shed a tear or two.
Thank you so much for watching and thank you for taking the time to comment. This was surely a labor of love not just because I live in the state of Utah but because of the fine men who served on this ship and as a remembrance to those who perished on December 7th 1941.
My good friend was aboard the USS Honolulu, and fought back furiously. He saw the bow blow off the Shaw, and saw the bomb intended for Honolulu released, but got out of the way before it hit the pier and exploded, denting the ship and hurting guys below decks. I met him at 80 and listened to his stories for 13 years, until he passed.
The "Florida" class became surplus due to the signing of the 1930 London Naval Treaty, not the Washington Treaty. you have to remember that she was rebuilt around 1926, when she was given oil fired boilers.
Thanks for the clarification. And thanks for watching.
Utah would have been a formidable AA fortress on Pearl Harbor Day if she hadn't been the very first ship to be attacked. She had no chance to even respond to anything. She had the most state-of-the-art 40mm Bofors, 20mm guns, and huge 5" dual purpose guns in small turrets on her while all the other battleships had minimal AA guns in comparison. If the Japanese had ignored her like planned and she was given 5-10 minutes to uncover her guns' covers and brought out the live ammo they could have done some heavy damage to the Japanese airplanes. It is shocking when reading about Utah's configuration on 12/7/41 how she was truly a AA gun fortress. She was not merely some "radio-controlled target ship". She was given a bunch of AA guns of all types in early 1941 so she could train all the Pearl Harbor ships' crew on how to use the upcoming brand new AA guns.
The Missouri means absolutely nothing to me but the Arizona and Utah do. They were there on December 7, 1941, and should be the ONLY ships of WWII still there. It would have been a far better thing if they had placed the Enterprise or Nevada where the Missouri is wasting space now.
The Enterprise certainly should have been saved and most definitely should have been put there as a memorial.
I have seen other videos that have stated the Utah sank in a location that made it near on impossible to raise the ship after it cap sized. The Oklahoma which also cap sized was fortunate to have sunk in a location where the ship could have been saved and raised to an up right position.. A lot of dangerous work was performed in raising warships after the attack .Lives were lost as the work was being done. The battleship West Virginia didn't return to service in the Pacific until 1944.
They should add the death toll of the salvager servicemen to the death toll of Pearl Harbor. Without Pearl Harbor they would not have been doing all that dangerous work.
Thank you for the history and beautiful model. Does the Utah still leak oil like the Arizona?
My understanding is yes it's still does. Thank you for watching.
Very nice representation of a fine ship. As a modeler I also lament the lack of a manufacturer giving us a kit of the Utah. As a side note, are you aware that the famous bank robber John Dillinger was once stationed aboard the Utah? He supposedly deserted from the Navy but apparently it wasn't a big enough deal back then as he was never tracked down as a deserter.
Thank you for watching and thank you for commenting. Yes I was aware of Dillinger. A lot of really neat history with that particular battleship.
What a great video, well done, oh my.... I wish the Navy would open this area up to visitors, it's so overdue. Thanks for a great video.
Thank you for watching! Yes I wish it would be open up for everybody. It’s such a beautiful and serene place. When I was there I felt like I could just reach out and touch it but it’s not quite that close to shore.
The last Japanese airman who participated on the attack on Pearl Harbor, Masamitsu Yoshioka, passed away today at the the age of 106. He was the navigator on one of the planes that hit the USS Utah.
@@kenowens9021 Thank you for watching, and thank you for commenting. That's great information. Thank you for sharing I will pass it along to my historian friends.
@@maddogmerv He said they did a lot of training for the attack but he actually never took off from a carrier until that fateful morning. He was scared. Also, they only used one real torpedo during training because they cost so much. They took out the explosive and filled it with water. After one drop, it was retrieved, and used for the next plane.
Nice presentation, thanks!
My grandfather, Howard Newlin served on her as part of her inaugural crew in 1911. He referred to her as a fine ship and always wondered what her fate was after the attack. I have some of his photos he took while on board.
Thanks for watching! I would love to see those photos if you get them scanned.
she was an old ship well worn by the time of the attack, even with her anti torpedo bulges the combination of the long lance (probably the deadliest torpedo of the war) and her hull's age are likely the co-contributors of her quick sinking even with attempts at counterflooding. im not aware of any assessments that may have been made of the side that was struck (as she was lying on that side) to see how much of the damage was direct blast damage and how much was the hull giving way post explosion, but it would be interesting to see if such a study had been made and what its conclusions were...
Good comment. One correction though - the Long Lance torpedo (Type 93) was huge and only used by IJN cruisers and destroyers. They were too large for torpedo bombers to carry. The Kates that attacked Pearl that morning were equipped with Type 91 torpedoes, designed to be dropped from aircraft. These were further modified to run shallow to avoid being buried in the mud at Pearl Harbor.
@@desertfoxleo Yup. One midget submarine did succeed and hit a torpedo at WV and OK each. It was the #16 sub. That famous photo is such a photo of a periscope and two torpedo lines coming from that periscope. The submarine torpedoes were huge. Twice as big as the Type 91s.
Utah would have been a formidable AA fortress on Pearl Harbor Day if she hadn't been the very first ship to be attacked. She had no chance to even respond to anything. She had the most state-of-the-art 40mm Bofors, 20mm guns, and huge 5" dual purpose guns in small turrets on her while all the other battleships had minimal AA guns in comparison. If the Japanese had ignored her like planned and she was given 5-10 minutes to uncover her guns' covers and brought out the live ammo they could have done some heavy damage to the Japanese airplanes. It is shocking when reading about Utah's configuration on 12/7/41 how she was truly a AA gun fortress. She was not merely some "radio-controlled target ship". She was given a bunch of AA guns of all types in early 1941 so she could train all the Pearl Harbor ships' crew on how to use the upcoming brand new AA guns.
It is not fair to call her some "ex battleship". She was an anti-aircraft fortress on a battleship that day.
Did you try blue jacket models , they are the official navy ship model builders , im sure you already have .but it's a thought to speak with them about adding a turn off the century dreadnought collection.. like from the Maine to the Utah..I believe as well it's important to remember these vessels ..they have played a big part in our history..
I tried every available resource that was available at the time I started the build (1995) since then some other resources have become available for the Florida class.
This is remarkable work. Bravo!
Thank you for the kind words! This was certainly a labor of love. Thank you for watching.
I have always thought it rather interesting and obvious of course that’s the Pacific Fleet in 1941 would pretty much all fit in Pearl Harbor and by August 1945. You wouldn’t have been able to get more than one of Mitcher’s task groups in there. The third suite would’ve had to sit outside the harbor. I always remember one story where the USS hornet had her bow pushed up, and her flight deck rendered useless by a typhoon and had to go back for repairs to Bremerton. They sent several ships and another carrier to protect her that was in 1945 and that would’ve been almost the entire fleet at Midway just a couple of years earlier. Amazing what America can do when it has to.
Superb Merv, simply superb.
Thank you, and thank you for watching.
My grandfather served on the USS Utah and in Sept. 1922 he arrested John Dillinger. Dillinger was arrested 4 times onboard the USS Utah.
Oh wow I knew Dillinger was onboard but I never knew he had been arrested on board ship I guess he knew what the brig look like!
Iron shipwrights makes a 1/350 scale of the Utah , And it comes with parts to make AG - 31 . Price is 325.00 .
It really is a magnificent piece. I remember when they were developing it many years ago we had a few conversations about what the details were that needed to be included. I may pick one up one of these days just to build the anti-aircraft training version.
Great presentation Sir.
Thank you.
Thank you and thank you for taking the time to watch and comment.
I was taking a walk earlier today and looked into the memorial I’ve nown it was there just never looked into it and there is one cool thing about it not really cool now that I think about it but I can see it out side my window a piece of history I’ve never looked into it seems really interesting too
You my friend, NEED a 3-D printer! That's the "next generation" for naval/aviation model builders! -dm
I sure do! I should put out a patreon and ask for donations to help get one. I understand Andy's hobby headquarters has a really nice one that would be easy for a beginner like me. I recently tried to purchase the 1/350th scale Utah and it's currently out of production. Thanks for watching and thanks for commenting.
Great job, do you have the link that web site you used learning the method of building cage masts?
Thanks George, It was an old fine scale modeler magazine from the 1990's can't remember the year.
@@maddogmerv probably a cold day in hell finding that issue. I always liked old battleships to start with. Something about cage masts always liked them, actually better than the tripod masts!
@@georgedistel1203 I will research it when I get a minute and see if I can find which one.
@@maddogmerv I found one on you tube looks kinda interesting . I may try one soon !
A sad day in history. So many brave people died
Got to visit the USS Utah twice during Pearl Harbor Hydroplane races in the 90s.
Hey, have you heard of the Hawaiian law?
If not we can’t get rid of building over 50 years old
Which is kind of cool expessually if you drive around you’ll see abunch of cool things like bomb shelters a lighthouse and more
My grandfather was on Utah 2 months before Pearl Harbor .
well New york model is close enough but different position and design
Commander Series Models a.k.a. Iron Shiprights make a fine model of The Florida/Utah in1/350 scale that is now available.Its the only BB in 1/350 at Pearl I dont have yet.
thanks for this information!
this company , Iron Shipwrights makes a lot of the ship's that were at Pearl on Dec 7th .
Thank you for watching. Yes they do now. It took them long enough to get around to it. I have all of the battleships in 1/350 and the vestal.
I've been very curious as to what the purpose of USS Utah was during the attack on Pearl Harbor. Like why was she not lifted and reused like the other salvaged ships after the attacks. So this video which explains her purpose before and during the attacks gives a lot of information and educational to those who just see her as an unknown wreck today.
@T.J. Kong Too bad the Oklahoma sank under tow to the west coast during a storm. She would have made a great centerpiece to any battle she could have engaged in.
@T.J. Kong That was also why Arizona could not be raised and salvaged. She is on the same exact type of silty bottom like Utah. Those two ships were always going to be stuck at Pearl Harbor unless they wanted to use some underwater explosions to cut them into pieces and then do all that timec-onsuming and dangerous activity. Arizona wasn't left there with the purpose of becoming a memorial at all. If that bomb had hit Oklahoma or West Virginia for total destruction they would have been cleared so the channel could be accessible again. Arizona and Utah were sunk in places that just luckily make it to where they could become memorials due to impossibility of raising them.
I remember reading somewhere that the USS Utah actually had remote control capabilities and could therefore simulate a ship's maneuvering while under attack. Again, I'm not certain but this is something I had read about many years ago. I wonder what kind of role she would have played in the war had she not been sunk. Maybe her guns could have fired in revenge? We'll never know. Not possible? Well, don't tell the USS Texas that!
Yes it did. It was set up to be controlled remotely from another nearby ship.
They salvaged the china and flat ware from the officer's mess which now sits in the Utah's governor's mansion in Salt Lake City
It sits under lock and key and is still used for official formal state dinners. Everything is counted out and counted back in. Ricco Renzetti CEC CCE executive chef retired.
Thank you for watching and for commenting
I have seen the set. It is beautiful.
@@maddogmerv it's exciting to see it and work with it and everything looks wonderful on it. It was one of those special moments as a chef.
fantastic work.
Thanks you!
My Dad was on the Utah in 1924-1925. I built a model of her in that time period, used plans from the National Archives and photos, Model is I/16" = 1'
Art Haynes Yours was on display up at the state capital for a while wasn’t it Art?
No, never on display, sits on a bookcase at home. At that scale it is about 36" long and about 12'' high to top of cage mast.
Art Haynes Oh OK, I have seen one that was actually on display at the Utah State Capital for a while. It was A large scale and it was prior to the Target ship/gunnery training ship fitting
Only know three things about the uss utah ...1# the uss utah had a sister ship which was the uss florida, 2# it was sunk on december 7th at pearl harbour ,3# the japanese pilot who sunk it turnef 105 years old a few months age.
Hey thank you for watching! The Utah had a very interesting career that's for sure. John Dillinger was actually part of the crew at one time
@@maddogmerv really...wow....much like the USS Florida the USS Utah was a victim of the 1930 Washington naval treaty....
A lot of people don't know there's a urn,on the Utah holding the ashes of a little girl that belong to one of the officers that was going to bury her at sea.
great work
Good job, ship looks great!
Thank you! and thanks for watching.
I waas led to believe by Mr. Hughes that the ship went down with 57 men and a Baby. Ref, Honolulu Star.
Yes, there was the remains of a baby on board! One of the officers had the ashes of their recently deceased child in a urn to be buried at sea. Thanks for watching.
Awesome model!
Thanks James and thank you for watching! It seriously took a year of dedicated building to do but it was so worth it
My dad and Uncle, we're on the Utah.
What an awesome legacy. Thank you so much for watching and commenting
We made them pay for that and it made us a stronger and more powerful country that other country's don't want to mess with.
I have two father's that served on one of those aircraft carrier that was not at port that day
While I applaud you for remembering and doing something, I’m gonna hit you for historical accuracy.
Torpedo BILGES ? No. They were called BLISTERS.
Inexperienced aviators ? Not even close. IJN air arm was, at that time, the best in the world and had massive amounts of experience in combat operations. It is highly doubtful that any other naval air arm could’ve pulled that attack to that degree of success.
Thanks, I stand corrected on the blisters. I knew that but unintentionally miss spoke. I do stand by my comment about the aviators experience. I agree the majority did have combat experience and they were highly trained and disciplined, and certainly no other air arm could have pulled off an attack to that degree of success. However the specific section that went after the Utah according to the research provided to me had never faced this type of attack before other than training. With that said, it is still unclear as to why such a highly trained and briefed crew would make the mistake of dropping on the Utah. I think it is safe to say "In the heat of battle". Thanks for watching and commenting. I always enjoy feedback and discussion. :)
The pilots that got the Utah were indeed Jr. Officers and were told NOT to go after the Utah.They were both scolded when the returned.
@@maddogmerv The "fog of war!" And, I agree with the idea that the section that attacked the USS Utah were not as experienced as those that had flown against the Chinese for years. They were told there were no carriers that morning and don't waste torpedoes on training ships. I would point out that the British with far fewer (20) and much older (Biplanes) planes, and at war with the Italians at the time of the attack so no surprise and all the defenses with manned, did a better job than the IJN. Although the Pearl Harbor attack was successful it wasn't as good as it could have been. Finally one of the reasons why the USS Utah capsized so quickly was her under water compartments were large and allowed the water to spread more quickly and made it almost impossible to counter flood in a timely manner. That was one of the reasons why she couldn't be righted like the USS Oklahoma. Great job on the model and filling in some of the holes, pun intended, on the history of the USS Utah!
The more research I do it seems set up..
I guess they got there test.
As these Japanese torpedo pilots assigned to striking the US carriers realised that the carriers were not there they were ordered to strike any other capital ships The decision and strike would have be enacted in minutes bearing in mind the limited time the Kates would have had over the target area dictated by fuel and the time expected by the US air defence to react placing them in danger and there requirement for a third strike wave later that was cancelled after the second strike wave
BZ well done
Thank you.
Merv indeed I need 2 talk to you. I reenlist ed there U.S. Navy for another 4 years
There at pearl? I had hoped one time that when I retired I would settle in Pearl Harbor and actually be able to work at the museum that would be kind of my lifelong dream. That place and the Museum of the Pacific would definitely be something that I could go and spend every day the the rest of my life at.
Amazing 1&half miles straight line from USS Arizona west on Ford Isl is the Utah & No one knows or see's Her
I know it’s very very sad. When I went with Dick Fisk several years ago, I couldn’t figure out what the big deal was as to why just anybody couldn’t go over to the Utah.I still remember standing there on the shore thinking Man she’s so close I could just reach out and touch her.
Marcus, thank you for taking the time out to watch the video. unfortunately, I made this a couple years ago in the early days of my channel. The quality of the video isn’t all that good.
my great great uncle elmer h ulrich (f3 class) died on bb-31(uss utah)
Brennen Ulrich wow! What an amazing legacy to have. So sad that the Utah was lost. Thanks for watching and for sharing your comment.
Like they already knew and wanted to keep the guns safe
The forgotten battleship of Pearl Harbor.
turret 5 and 4 had a awkward position on the stern section to me new york class looks better
So the timbers didn't help
Not against torpedo's
There is no such medal as "The Congressional Medal of Honor". There is a "Medal of Honor" awarded by Congress. For this honor, an individual must be recommended by the entire chain of command. The President being the Commander in Chief. Then Congress, not the House, votes on it by a simple majority. The house and Congress may recommend to the President, he may agree, then the Senate votes. There are stipulations for the initial recommending officer.
Anyone who has served knows this.
Thank you for the correction. I will make sure to amend that in future projects. Thanks for watching.
@@maddogmerv It was very well done, good sir!
@@daddiospatio Thank you! and Thanks for watching.
Less than that of a mile
Well, she fulfilled being a target ship.
Very true
we all must remember the infamous member of the Utah crew.
a farm boy from Indiana.
he deserted and was later given a dishonorable discharge.
John Dillinger.
It's good to see someone else remembers. Such a great history with this ship. Thanks for watching!
Also, don't forget the infant child cremated remains on board.
I don't mean to be rude or condescending but I want to point out saying: "Congressional Medal of Honor" is totally incorrect. The award is the "Medal of Honor". It is awarded by the President not the Congress. Congress only confirms the award, it has no role in actually making the award. Semper Fidelis!
However, if you look back in history it has been know and referred to as both "The Medal of Honor" and "The Congressional Medal of Honor" historically. But I do know what you are getting at. The proper term would be best to use. Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment, I appreciate it. :)
her cagemast was destroyed
Thanks for watching. The rear cage mast was removed when she was converted to a Training ship in the 1920's. The foremast was destroyed when she rolled over at Pearl Harbor.
More than likely very informative but I am sorry the tone is too flat and dry. Lost my interest. Best of luck on future endeavors.
Thank you for your comments. This was definitely one of the videos I did in my early days and yes I would agree several errors for one thing too close up of a narration and definitely a flat delivery. If you wouldn't mind checking out the video I did this last fall on the USS Arizona and compare and let me know if you still think that the videos are that way because it's important to me to have feedback and criticism so that I can do better. Thank you again
Maddog we don’t need to see your face up close. Scary.
Well thanks for watching and thanks for taking the time to comment. In the two years this video has been up that's the second time I heard that comment. I appreciate the comments because that's how I learn to do better.
This was one of my first videos and yes it was awfully close and the lighting wasn't good, so my apologies. I haven't done anything like this since. I do however hope you got more out of it than just the awful close up. The ship has an amazing history and this is really the only model of it and it's December 7th form.
I can 3D MODEL IT FOR YOU.
Hey that’s awesome, one of these days I will have to look into that. Hindsight being 20/20, I wish I had done this in 1/350 scale.
@@maddogmerv I have a 1/72 scale M class German Light cruiser, and have drafted plans for a 1/72 scale Wyoming.
That Wyoming would be awesome to see!
@@maddogmerv yea i im from Cheyenne and I might be making it for the museum. It is about 9 feet in length, ironically like the M class light cruiser is 8 feet 8 inches.
@@maddogmerv t would be about 9 feet long. The M class German light cruiser hull is 8 feet 8 inches.
Daaaaaaasa,get boats out of public water
Insurance Fraud ?