20 years Mac user here. Time Machine backup on a separate drive. that's it. Just do that. I can't believe how many times that has saved my ass, from upgrading to a new Mac to restoring, perfectly a previous config that went BAD only 1 hour ago. Life saver
I totally agree, I also came from Windows about a half a year ago to Mac Studio M2. And this change was amazing. I was used to work with Macbooks, so it wasn't a big thing to habituate on Mac Studio. It is awsome how easy evertything works with no noise at all and no performance problems anymore. I am so happy about it, I don't miss any Euro I spent on it.
Great video as always...I switched recently, and I love the silence...never want a noisy PC ever again. Essential for mastering. Thank you for your valuable content and sage mixing/mastering videos.
I made the switch 6 wks ago (entry level M4 Mini), and it works every time. Never want to go back. Hilarious how everyone freaked out about the power button, and I haven’t touched it since the first time I turned it on. Restarted once because a new UAD plug wouldn’t show up in DAW. Worked after that. Boz was weird. Half dozen installed fine, and the other few (including BOD) had to have permissions allowed. Working great in REAPER since. Thanks for both of these vids! Haloed me take the plunge. 🤘🏻
I'm happy you guys liked the video. For everyone asking about my drives, which ones and how they're connected, everything is here: ua-cam.com/video/-xrbLkiOtOg/v-deo.htmlsi=nynZZWZLxmyECRIr
David, I did this about 10 or so years ago and have never looked back. I'm an engineer (electrical) by day, so windows rules my world at work (and that's ok) but once at home in the studio.. it's a wonderful world LOL. I'm not doing anything near what you are (so my cpu usage barely goes above 10 or 15%) but the seemlessness of it all is un-matched IMO. Cheers from Bugtustle!
For sure! The biggest problem I had with Windows was the exact thing you mentioned, updating everything to sync up with each other and it just became such a drag. I don't hate Windows they're just different. Macs are set and forget so you can go about doing your thing without having to worry too much about anything.
You should go back and watch the video when you vented about the original issue. It was the most pissed off we have seen you online but we binned it to passion. I got the Bus + for Christmas and thank you again for teaching us about the depth and edge of mixing and mastering.
Thanks for the long term update👍. I am also happy with the M1 Pro Macbook. Planning also to switch the main studio PC to a Mac Studio when the M4 Ultra Chips shown up later this year.
As for navigating the file system... Did you know (I recently learned) that Mac has cut + paste to move files like Windows, too? Press Cmd+C on the file or folder you want to move, go to the target location and then instead of pressing Cmd+V to copy, press Cmd+Alt+V to move. Helps me a lot!
After 15 years of using macs I also recently learned that . Like nearly a week ago ! Such a coincidence! There is a small chance I saw that again a few years ago but since I didn 't include it in my routine I completely forgot it and had to search for that again. Till that moment I was like Cmd+C,Cmd+V and delete the original file from the root folder
Thats great news. I have the m-1 ultra. ITs the first mac I've owned, that doesn't flinch. I've had one crash in a year due to using a metaplugin that allows vsts to work in pro tools, but all plugs run smoothly. These computers are expensive but up to my daily tasks, you get what you pay for running huge sessions.
I've got an M1 Max Studio, and it's been great from the get-go. I doubt my projects are anywhere near as heavy workload-wise as David's, but my computer just laughs at what I throw at it (mostly ProTools, but some Logic as well). For those of use who've been around for a while, these newer computers are almost hard to fathom. The amount of processing power is insane.
Dust: the bottom of the Mac Studio is a vacuum. It builds up lint and obstructs the airflow. You will need to periodically clean the bottom vents. I use a keyboard vacuum.
That thing being silent sounds particulary good. My PC is carefully cooled, but it produces a lot of noise to my ears. That's one reason I keep it in the hallway next to my mixing room. It would be neat to have it next to my desk, perhaps even in a simple ventilated cabinet where all the drives can live as well. A NAS could sit near my router for backups far away. I've considered a Mac Mini M4 Pro. I don't really use Waves plugins any longer, so I wouldn't be too worried about upgrades. It's mostly well maintained stuff from Fabfilter, UAD,etc. In the 2000s is was Mac only in the post production places I worked at. Always a fun operating systems, but back then no games, so fuck that :D was my response. These days, I'd just keep the PC for gaming and sound design. Maybe one day. The machines are getting pretty funky-fast.
I switched to the same computer and had the exact same experience. I keep my audio interface at 32 samples event with massive projects. It was worth the upgrade to get the technology out of the way. I hate fixing thiings when I'm trying to work.
My main reason for sticking with Windows is I know how to fix it quickly. I worked in IT and I know how busy they get. I don't want to have to wait hours and hours for engineers to get back to me if the Mac goes wrong.
Was already planning on switching later this year after finally looking into the benefits late last summer. When you're coming from Windows, you just sort of assume that driver problems and DAW crashes are just a normal thing until you read about how that basically never happens on MacOS. Really isn't that surprising when you consider that most pro audio engineers prioritize Apple silicon efficiency when they're developing the software. At this point I'm just waiting for the new M4 Ultra Mac Studios to drop later this summer.
It sounds like you and I have had extremely similar experiences. I was on PC since the mid 90s and never really considered Macs because IMO, they were always way overpriced. Enter the M1. I got a 16 gig Mac mini about six months after they came out as the price was very reasonable and was interested in learning Macs as well as the silent operation. Well, I haven’t looked back. I have two M1 minis and plan on upgrading to an M4 here fairly soon. Also, as a user of several bars, plug-ins, they decided to not compile their existing plug-ins for Apple Silicon. 😡 I for one, would be more than happy to pay a small upgrade fee because I do realize it takes a lot of time and effort to re-compile the code. Their newer releases, like a big clipper 2, do run natively.
I don't watch this guy much anymore because I stopped making music, you know, life, babies, work. But he still looks as good and sharp as 5 years ago. Just sayin. I've learned some great things from him, and maybe in the future I will play with some daws again. And yeah the Mac M2 is a beast, but I never could use a Mac/ Love the freedom of the (buggy) Windows 2 much!
m1 macbook air here for a few years now. Wouldn't go back, and yes the silence is golden. Kinda funny to think about all the kit I bought years ago to get a silent computer.
I love my PC, its a demon from hell and is nauseatingly fast, but I sometimes think about going back to Mac. The thought of reinstalling all of my plugins keeps me away though. That, and the cost of adequate storage, which is a scam in Apple world. Pro Tools running mac in dark mode just looks so sexy though. Im rock solid running Reaper and RME on my PC, and its stupidly powerful together. Maybe one day, just for fun
I got the M2 like a year ago, it's great. One thing was and I had an issue the other day wanting to use spacecontrol from acustica but couldn't find it. I remembered that in the beginning I had to use rosetta, so regarding the boz plugin, did you click the box to activate rosetta? Thanks for very informative videos. Cheers!
Now that the M4's are here we'll probably take the plunge soon(ish) but as a tracking facility we couldn't wait for the M series to get reliably solid, plus we had all these bloody HDX cards, so for practical reasons (no downtime) we went with the beast, the 2019 Mac Pro some years ago. Vast improvement over the 2013 cheese grater, so, like a lot of studios at that time, we found the investment worth it. It's still worth it until we make the M4 switch. We hope. Informative video (again!) Grazie, amico. Cheers
I use Studio One on both Windows and Mac. Outside of my DAW, file management is much easier on Windows (Finder sucks), but Mac is just more fun to use overall. Tbf, you bought a beast of a Mac. If you put the same amount of money into a PC, you'd be laughing too. Get an official Apple keyboard (Bluetooth) and you'll have zero issues there. There's frequent OSX updates too, so be careful updating. Honestly, I'm tempted to try Logic Pro X on my Mac to see what it can do for my workflow. Has the switch affected your workflow at all (outside of the points you mentioned)? Cheers!
The same for me I use both and the mac is just so much faster and optimized I had a m1 8gb and was doing sessions in studio one not plugged in effortlessly and the battery life is insane on a Mac as well
@@boutstaxx the question is wheter your mac is optimized, or the developers pay more attention to optimize on mac because it's worth money more ;) I'm sure it's the second one. The only problems i have with windows comes from 3rd party plugins. Developers prefer to create solutions on the support website instead of taking the time to solve the problem in back-end of the software. In the end of the day, those are not windows problems, those are 3rd party plugins problems ;)
Glad to hear that verdict! My Late 2017 27 iMAC is on it's "last LEG"... been waiting for the M4 'STUDIO' but just have to wait... Hmm? Thx David, George :)
Every track had Console 1, including returns, parallel etc.. Most tracks had at least a second plugin in them, about 40 of them at least 4 plugins (with one slot taken for hardware inserts), 50 channels of analog in total, groups had proabably 5 to 7 plugins on them, efx 3 each and 2bus only one, I don't use plugins on 2bus it's all analog. EDIT: this was a 241 tracks mix I just finished 4 days ago.
For anything except gaming, a mid range Mac runs better than a 5K PC. It wasn’t the case when Macs were on PowerPC or Intel but those M series processors are game changing. I’m a long time PC user, I used to build my own PC with all the best components money can buy every 3 years and now my main computer is a mid range Mac mini M2 pro and it’s just better. With those Thunderbolt ports you have plenty of options for upgrades, you just have to order your Mac with 2X the quantity or ram you think you need because if you end up not having enough ram there’s no way around it unlike SSD space that can be added externally.
I'm curious how this will work around OS updates. I know that a lot of people have had issues with support dropping for different plugins, etc. I may actually find myself in a situation where I'm using a mac for business, software development, IT etc., and using Windows for video/audio editing, graphic design, etc. Kinda fun.
I just turn off the automatic updates - which sounds like he probably did as well since he said he wasn't planning on updating the OS anytime soon. Support for plugins sometimes takes a bit of time (depending on what changed in the OS), but there's rarely a reason to update the OS right away. I'm usually way behind 🤣
@@boutstaxx For sure. This is how I run things on my Windows machine, and I'm now looking at having to upgrade my motherboard so I can run Windows 11. Not because I want to, but because security updates are important for my day job (IT). I'm just admittedly less familiar with the ecosystem.
I have the studio m2 Ultra, too. This thing is really freakin silent (Even with heavy video rendering going on)! Before I had the iMac Pro / 2017 - use this one still for graphic design work with the current OS. I‘m sure you‘ll be happy with the studio for next couple of years 😉
I learned pro tools on a G4. Thats really my only experience, i never went to pc.. The PC operating systems and storage process… I cant see how you survived.
I would gladly switch back to windows, but it's not an option, though I hate apple for how closed everything is. Still it just runs much better for me.
The only problems I have on windows are problems caused by lazy plugin developers, that are too lazy to optimize their software well. For example, I had to manually turn off "gpu acceleration" in "registry editor" to make fabfilter's vsts running.
The problem I have found with Apple is intermittent peripherals like mouse and keyboard at times, infuriating to the point where I've sworn at them and to never buy again. However their OS and software like Logic Pro; in my opinion are the best you can get.
I have a wireless Logitech trackball that never disconnected once. My keyboard is wired and also never a problem. None of them are Apple, maybe that's why lol
Less than what my gf takes to take it off. I know you can't relate but, yeah.
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My pc high end died a couple months ago, I don t have th e fund to get a new one and was considering the m4 mini, but id don’t know if it’ll be strong enough for mixing sessions like 100 tracks and plus sometimes?
M4 Mac Mini is the one that is probably one of the best value desktop there is. This thing is a beast...and it draws sooo little power which is insane!
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Thanks guys! I guess I ll go with the 16g of RAM then! Wooohooo Oh last question David, you had to switch all USB cables for you controllers and such? From A to C, or did you go the adapter route?
Tried to make the switch to a an M4 Pro (Mini) in December and Universal Audio support was DIRE........Had to go back to my Windows 11 machine that just works. No choice on Sequoia (MacOS 15) as it was installed out of the box. I bought the pro with 24gb of ram and immediatly ran out of RAM for my day to day office work so had to return and pay the apple tax for 64gb of RAM (still half the 128gb on my Win Machine). I bought TB4/USB4 enclosures and 8TB NVME drives which are unsupported with UA (and others). Baring in mind how UA blamed windows for everything, I was really dissapointed on their responses to my inability to work.
Aah. He finally saw the light! Now we just gotta get him over to Tesla. Faster, classier, better handling and stress free autopilot driving when stuck on the 101 and 405 and you really need to reply to a comment. Clutch!
Boz Digital Labs plugins arent Apple Silicon compatible yet. It's pretty much the only significant dev left that isnt silicon compatible. Everyone else has made the transition. I veen waiting to get a Macbook myself because Bark of Dog is great, and I like Big Clipper
Has anyone experienced any performance differences when using native UAD plugins on a Windows PC compared to a Mac with the M chip? I hit the bottleneck mixing way too much UAD native plugins with Diva synths on AMD 5900x.
The main thing that still bugs me is that Windows search is getting dumber and dumber while Mac's search just works. (My only system is a PC, using Macs for broadcast mixing)
Mac is worth it if you're ONLY using your machine for music or design. If you want more out of your system like myself and want to do other things than just design, record, produce/master, simple tasks, etc.. Windows is the take👍
it's similar but the BOD is slightly better and free.. I don't want to sound cheap but :D it kinda bothers me a little to pay for something that's the same but less you know? Thank you tho'!
Hi im guessing everyone is using protools. İ have m1 max can some please help wigh my cpu spikes especially in the centre cores 5 & 6 as i have 10 cores. im on sonoma & latest protools version 2024.10 iv tried literally everything possible low & high buffer size 1024 is their a trick to fix please. İm having to freeze each track even aux sends wich is not the way to go. Something not right.
So you have escaped upgrading to windows 11 lol! Of course that's a huge difference to go from windows to Mac...! Windows is like a person who can get bored with you or sick at any given moment!
Honestly, Apple good, easy connection. Apple bad, expensive, and everything you have to pay. I have a 16 core, 32 threads i9 128 gb Windows 11. Once connected, great. Run proper maintenance...runs great... But true, sometimes take a deep breath when you even connect a usb different... Onething that is a gift from heaven ... VB audio coconut...
@@mixbustv maybe not, but your channel caters to all sort of folks - a lot of them will not be able to fork out ££££ on a mac and the maintenance later. So it may have been worth it for you but it's misleading to say it's so much better. Talking from experience working on both - Windows may have it's quirks but it's bang for the money. That's all. Carry on.
at this point I honestly believe microsoft is actively sabotaging windows. everyday it's a more unstable and bloated and slow and less customizable operating system. and another thing about the current state of windows 11 that really pisses me off is the fact that how fast your computer operates is directly influenced by the internet speed and I live in an area which from time to time the internet slows down or even goes out and suddenly everyday operations are much slower WHY ARE MY OFFLINE OPERATIONS SLOWED DOWN BECAUSE OF MY INTERNET SPEED MICROSOFT? currently I'm too over reliant on some of the programs that only work on windows but I hope with how quickly linux is becoming so popular companies like steinberg start supporting it and developing for it so I can use my own pc but on a less intrusive platform and operating system. although at this point I'm getting to the point that I might actually either invest the money in a mac for work (considering the price of 128gb of ram on an apple product it is going to be quite significant for me) or just completely change my work flow and just switch to linux right away.
I was wondering the same thing because I just switched back to pc after 6 months with my mac. My reason was simple. My PC is 6000 dollars of gear and a ton of ram. I needdd the ram. After going BACK to PC I actually found that I like my PC better.
@AutumnRed I still have a system on my mac for small quick jobs and video stuff. Save money on power. But my 6000 PC is the equivalent of a 15k mac so unless I had David's mac, it's really a step down to go the mac mini pre-M4 for me specifically. It's nice to have both. I agree though, it feels good in windows.
At first I thought your build was complete overkill but now I realize that you probably just overspeced it so you wouldn't have to go through the annoying process of having to set up everything again for the next 10 years.
20 years Mac user here. Time Machine backup on a separate drive. that's it. Just do that. I can't believe how many times that has saved my ass, from upgrading to a new Mac to restoring, perfectly a previous config that went BAD only 1 hour ago. Life saver
Same
I've been on Mac for over 28 years. I'm a bit surprised it took you so long my friend 😂😂
I totally agree, I also came from Windows about a half a year ago to Mac Studio M2. And this change was amazing. I was used to work with Macbooks, so it wasn't a big thing to habituate on Mac Studio. It is awsome how easy evertything works with no noise at all and no performance problems anymore. I am so happy about it, I don't miss any Euro I spent on it.
My regular ass M1 MacBook Pro has been a godsend for me! I’m glad you’re enjoying your new system as well.
Great video as always...I switched recently, and I love the silence...never want a noisy PC ever again. Essential for mastering. Thank you for your valuable content and sage mixing/mastering videos.
I made the switch 6 wks ago (entry level M4 Mini), and it works every time. Never want to go back. Hilarious how everyone freaked out about the power button, and I haven’t touched it since the first time I turned it on. Restarted once because a new UAD plug wouldn’t show up in DAW. Worked after that.
Boz was weird. Half dozen installed fine, and the other few (including BOD) had to have permissions allowed. Working great in REAPER since.
Thanks for both of these vids! Haloed me take the plunge. 🤘🏻
I’m about to switch from windows to Mac, so you don’t turn your Mac off ever?
Nope. Just sleep. (Apple logo, scroll down to sleep). Touch the keyboard or wiggle the mouse, and sign back in.
I'm happy you guys liked the video. For everyone asking about my drives, which ones and how they're connected, everything is here:
ua-cam.com/video/-xrbLkiOtOg/v-deo.htmlsi=nynZZWZLxmyECRIr
Once I went Mac, I never looked back!!!
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David, I did this about 10 or so years ago and have never looked back. I'm an engineer (electrical) by day, so windows rules my world at work (and that's ok) but once at home in the studio.. it's a wonderful world LOL. I'm not doing anything near what you are (so my cpu usage barely goes above 10 or 15%) but the seemlessness of it all is un-matched IMO. Cheers from Bugtustle!
For sure! The biggest problem I had with Windows was the exact thing you mentioned, updating everything to sync up with each other and it just became such a drag. I don't hate Windows they're just different. Macs are set and forget so you can go about doing your thing without having to worry too much about anything.
You should go back and watch the video when you vented about the original issue. It was the most pissed off we have seen you online but we binned it to passion. I got the Bus + for Christmas and thank you again for teaching us about the depth and edge of mixing and mastering.
Thanks for the long term update👍. I am also happy with the M1 Pro Macbook. Planning also to switch the main studio PC to a Mac Studio when the M4 Ultra Chips shown up later this year.
20 years on Macs, I am happy you get it now. ;-)
As for navigating the file system... Did you know (I recently learned) that Mac has cut + paste to move files like Windows, too? Press Cmd+C on the file or folder you want to move, go to the target location and then instead of pressing Cmd+V to copy, press Cmd+Alt+V to move. Helps me a lot!
After 15 years of using macs I also recently learned that . Like nearly a week ago ! Such a coincidence! There is a small chance I saw that again a few years ago but since I didn 't include it in my routine I completely forgot it and had to search for that again. Till that moment I was like Cmd+C,Cmd+V and delete the original file from the root folder
That has been there since ages!
@@Kris_jellybeard No-one of my friends and colleagues knew of this shortcut either. So maybe it's time to spread the word?
Thats great news. I have the m-1 ultra. ITs the first mac I've owned, that doesn't flinch. I've had one crash in a year due to using a metaplugin that allows vsts to work in pro tools, but all plugs run smoothly. These computers are expensive but up to my daily tasks, you get what you pay for running huge sessions.
Just installed the M4 mini pro. Absolute beast !
I've got an M1 Max Studio, and it's been great from the get-go. I doubt my projects are anywhere near as heavy workload-wise as David's, but my computer just laughs at what I throw at it (mostly ProTools, but some Logic as well). For those of use who've been around for a while, these newer computers are almost hard to fathom. The amount of processing power is insane.
Dust: the bottom of the Mac Studio is a vacuum. It builds up lint and obstructs the airflow. You will need to periodically clean the bottom vents. I use a keyboard vacuum.
That thing being silent sounds particulary good. My PC is carefully cooled, but it produces a lot of noise to my ears. That's one reason I keep it in the hallway next to my mixing room. It would be neat to have it next to my desk, perhaps even in a simple ventilated cabinet where all the drives can live as well. A NAS could sit near my router for backups far away. I've considered a Mac Mini M4 Pro. I don't really use Waves plugins any longer, so I wouldn't be too worried about upgrades. It's mostly well maintained stuff from Fabfilter, UAD,etc. In the 2000s is was Mac only in the post production places I worked at. Always a fun operating systems, but back then no games, so fuck that :D was my response. These days, I'd just keep the PC for gaming and sound design.
Maybe one day. The machines are getting pretty funky-fast.
I switched to the same computer and had the exact same experience. I keep my audio interface at 32 samples event with massive projects. It was worth the upgrade to get the technology out of the way. I hate fixing thiings when I'm trying to work.
I did the opposite, done with Apples non repairable closed ecosystem…but yeah it’s a bit smoother to run.
same here, macOS is a p.i.t.a., I'm glad I switched back to PC
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😂havent repaired shit in my macs in 10 years except for usb port replacement I did myself for 20 bucks
Same I did the opposite. Plus I love that I can take breaks and game and leave a session open.
@@alexchernikov6276 10 year old mac’s are more repairable for sure.
My main reason for sticking with Windows is I know how to fix it quickly. I worked in IT and I know how busy they get. I don't want to have to wait hours and hours for engineers to get back to me if the Mac goes wrong.
But if you sum all the smaller delays you have with windows you're probably losing more time
Never ever had a problem with a Mac ever
Was already planning on switching later this year after finally looking into the benefits late last summer. When you're coming from Windows, you just sort of assume that driver problems and DAW crashes are just a normal thing until you read about how that basically never happens on MacOS. Really isn't that surprising when you consider that most pro audio engineers prioritize Apple silicon efficiency when they're developing the software. At this point I'm just waiting for the new M4 Ultra Mac Studios to drop later this summer.
Dream studio!
my macmini m4 is an absolute beast. Previous to having it I thought the M1 macbook air was but the M4 is crazy good.
I saw your 241 tracks mix on IG , I knew already 😄😄
It sounds like you and I have had extremely similar experiences. I was on PC since the mid 90s and never really considered Macs because IMO, they were always way overpriced. Enter the M1. I got a 16 gig Mac mini about six months after they came out as the price was very reasonable and was interested in learning Macs as well as the silent operation. Well, I haven’t looked back. I have two M1 minis and plan on upgrading to an M4 here fairly soon.
Also, as a user of several bars, plug-ins, they decided to not compile their existing plug-ins for Apple Silicon. 😡 I for one, would be more than happy to pay a small upgrade fee because I do realize it takes a lot of time and effort to re-compile the code. Their newer releases, like a big clipper 2, do run natively.
I don't watch this guy much anymore because I stopped making music, you know, life, babies, work. But he still looks as good and sharp as 5 years ago. Just sayin. I've learned some great things from him, and maybe in the future I will play with some daws again. And yeah the Mac M2 is a beast, but I never could use a Mac/ Love the freedom of the (buggy) Windows 2 much!
m1 macbook air here for a few years now. Wouldn't go back, and yes the silence is golden. Kinda funny to think about all the kit I bought years ago to get a silent computer.
This video has got a lot of low end that comes from the microphone. Check the sound with the sub and add a low cut. Thanks in advance...
yeeesssss -- the silence is fantastic
The first thing I did was switch the Mac to my PC key commands but I give you props for learning both 😀
I totally agree, with my external hdx pci card, the system with M1 is really stable and the performance is very high
Hey David! Check out the White Sea Studio vid on the Omnipressor. You could probably think of some cool tricks with that unit.
Can't wait to see the next Studio... seeing as the mini's completely changed
Bozlabs Plugings work fine in Rosetta mode 😊
I love my PC, its a demon from hell and is nauseatingly fast, but I sometimes think about going back to Mac. The thought of reinstalling all of my plugins keeps me away though. That, and the cost of adequate storage, which is a scam in Apple world.
Pro Tools running mac in dark mode just looks so sexy though.
Im rock solid running Reaper and RME on my PC, and its stupidly powerful together. Maybe one day, just for fun
I got the M2 like a year ago, it's great. One thing was and I had an issue the other day wanting to use spacecontrol from acustica but couldn't find it. I remembered that in the beginning I had to use rosetta, so regarding the boz plugin, did you click the box to activate rosetta? Thanks for very informative videos. Cheers!
Now that the M4's are here we'll probably take the plunge soon(ish) but as a tracking facility we couldn't wait for the M series to get reliably solid, plus we had all these bloody HDX cards, so for practical reasons (no downtime) we went with the beast, the 2019 Mac Pro some years ago. Vast improvement over the 2013 cheese grater, so, like a lot of studios at that time, we found the investment worth it. It's still worth it until we make the M4 switch. We hope. Informative video (again!) Grazie, amico. Cheers
I use Studio One on both Windows and Mac. Outside of my DAW, file management is much easier on Windows (Finder sucks), but Mac is just more fun to use overall. Tbf, you bought a beast of a Mac. If you put the same amount of money into a PC, you'd be laughing too. Get an official Apple keyboard (Bluetooth) and you'll have zero issues there. There's frequent OSX updates too, so be careful updating. Honestly, I'm tempted to try Logic Pro X on my Mac to see what it can do for my workflow. Has the switch affected your workflow at all (outside of the points you mentioned)? Cheers!
The same for me I use both and the mac is just so much faster and optimized I had a m1 8gb and was doing sessions in studio one not plugged in effortlessly and the battery life is insane on a Mac as well
@@boutstaxx Yeah, the modern Macbooks are crazy good - if going laptop only, Macbook all the way imo.
@@boutstaxx the question is wheter your mac is optimized, or the developers pay more attention to optimize on mac because it's worth money more ;) I'm sure it's the second one.
The only problems i have with windows comes from 3rd party plugins. Developers prefer to create solutions on the support website instead of taking the time to solve the problem in back-end of the software.
In the end of the day, those are not windows problems, those are 3rd party plugins problems ;)
Glad to hear that verdict! My Late 2017 27 iMAC is on it's "last LEG"... been waiting for the M4 'STUDIO' but just have to wait... Hmm? Thx David, George :)
No update smart until third party plug in or your draw of choice states it’s cool
new mac is a beast!! regards and Happy Holidays!!
Same feeling when i switched from PT to Reaper :)
How many Plugins did you used on ALL tracks included the MixBus?
Every track had Console 1, including returns, parallel etc..
Most tracks had at least a second plugin in them, about 40 of them at least 4 plugins (with one slot taken for hardware inserts), 50 channels of analog in total, groups had proabably 5 to 7 plugins on them, efx 3 each and 2bus only one, I don't use plugins on 2bus it's all analog.
EDIT: this was a 241 tracks mix I just finished 4 days ago.
Nice. Thanks for responding.
For anything except gaming, a mid range Mac runs better than a 5K PC. It wasn’t the case when Macs were on PowerPC or Intel but those M series processors are game changing. I’m a long time PC user, I used to build my own PC with all the best components money can buy every 3 years and now my main computer is a mid range Mac mini M2 pro and it’s just better. With those Thunderbolt ports you have plenty of options for upgrades, you just have to order your Mac with 2X the quantity or ram you think you need because if you end up not having enough ram there’s no way around it unlike SSD space that can be added externally.
I'm curious how this will work around OS updates. I know that a lot of people have had issues with support dropping for different plugins, etc.
I may actually find myself in a situation where I'm using a mac for business, software development, IT etc., and using Windows for video/audio editing, graphic design, etc.
Kinda fun.
I just turn off the automatic updates - which sounds like he probably did as well since he said he wasn't planning on updating the OS anytime soon. Support for plugins sometimes takes a bit of time (depending on what changed in the OS), but there's rarely a reason to update the OS right away. I'm usually way behind 🤣
@@DadRockAndGuitars I feel that (he said, typing from a Windows 10 machine).
Any good tech knows and understands if you have your system run flawlessly then you don't update for a few features if its go cause incompatabilty
@@boutstaxx For sure. This is how I run things on my Windows machine, and I'm now looking at having to upgrade my motherboard so I can run Windows 11. Not because I want to, but because security updates are important for my day job (IT).
I'm just admittedly less familiar with the ecosystem.
Which USB hub are you using?
I believe you mentioned this is another video but.. What OS are you currently running? Ventura or Sonoma?
Sonoma
I havent used windows for audio since OS9, my dual G4 is one if the best computers to ever exist
Hey David, what USB hub are you using with your Mac Studio?
it's linked in the previous mac video, I don't remember. All the stuff I have attached are in that vid
When i go desktop i might go that route. I run off my ASUS 9 ultra atm cause its handy being able to travel with it.
That's awesome!
I have the studio m2 Ultra, too. This thing is really freakin silent (Even with heavy video rendering going on)! Before I had the iMac Pro / 2017 - use this one still for graphic design work with the current OS. I‘m sure you‘ll be happy with the studio for next couple of years 😉
I learned pro tools on a G4. Thats really my only experience, i never went to pc.. The PC operating systems and storage process… I cant see how you survived.
What do you use for lots of fast drive storage on the macOS? That's my main open question for switching at this point.
Watch my first video on the computer I listed everything there, drives and enclosures
Are you on a HD rig?
I would gladly switch back to windows, but it's not an option, though I hate apple for how closed everything is. Still it just runs much better for me.
You shoud try the Logitech MX keys keyboard, it has both the Mac and PC keys on it and is great for switching.
Interesting, I will take a look
The only problems I have on windows are problems caused by lazy plugin developers, that are too lazy to optimize their software well. For example, I had to manually turn off "gpu acceleration" in "registry editor" to make fabfilter's vsts running.
David ¿podrá la m4 mini versión de 16gb x 256gb soportar la carga de trabajo de un home studio? (vst, vst orchestral music, plugins UA). Saludos. 😊
The problem I have found with Apple is intermittent peripherals like mouse and keyboard at times, infuriating to the point where I've sworn at them and to never buy again. However their OS and software like Logic Pro; in my opinion are the best you can get.
I have a wireless Logitech trackball that never disconnected once. My keyboard is wired and also never a problem. None of them are Apple, maybe that's why lol
How long does it take you to get that shirt on?
Less than what my gf takes to take it off. I know you can't relate but, yeah.
My pc high end died a couple months ago, I don t have th e fund to get a new one and was considering the m4 mini, but id don’t know if it’ll be strong enough for mixing sessions like 100 tracks and plus sometimes?
My last mix two days ago was 241 tracks, it didn't even budge. I'm sure a mini M4 can handle that and then some
M4 Mac Mini is the one that is probably one of the best value desktop there is. This thing is a beast...and it draws sooo little power which is insane!
Thanks guys! I guess I ll go with the 16g of RAM then! Wooohooo
Oh last question David, you had to switch all USB cables for you controllers and such? From A to C, or did you go the adapter route?
Tried to make the switch to a an M4 Pro (Mini) in December and Universal Audio support was DIRE........Had to go back to my Windows 11 machine that just works. No choice on Sequoia (MacOS 15) as it was installed out of the box. I bought the pro with 24gb of ram and immediatly ran out of RAM for my day to day office work so had to return and pay the apple tax for 64gb of RAM (still half the 128gb on my Win Machine). I bought TB4/USB4 enclosures and 8TB NVME drives which are unsupported with UA (and others). Baring in mind how UA blamed windows for everything, I was really dissapointed on their responses to my inability to work.
A one thing didn't let me sleep... these 160 tracks to mix
Aah. He finally saw the light! Now we just gotta get him over to Tesla. Faster, classier, better handling and stress free autopilot driving when stuck on the 101 and 405 and you really need to reply to a comment. Clutch!
Lol Hell will freeze the day I trade in a supercharged V8 for a microwave on wheels.
@ Haha. We'll see... I bet you once said something along those lines about switching to Mac. 🙂
Did you have to re-buy any software or are licenses OS-agnostic?
Nope
Boz Digital Labs plugins arent Apple Silicon compatible yet. It's pretty much the only significant dev left that isnt silicon compatible. Everyone else has made the transition. I veen waiting to get a Macbook myself because Bark of Dog is great, and I like Big Clipper
Hard Drives ? How many, How connected ?
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@@mixbustv Hard Drives ? How many, How connected ?
Your Mac will still dust. Everything does!
Has anyone experienced any performance differences when using native UAD plugins on a Windows PC compared to a Mac with the M chip? I hit the bottleneck mixing way too much UAD native plugins with Diva synths on AMD 5900x.
I only heard some had issues with UAD on M but don't know more
The main thing that still bugs me is that Windows search is getting dumber and dumber while Mac's search just works. (My only system is a PC, using Macs for broadcast mixing)
What was the total cost of the switch? 🤔
Around 6K and change
Which USB hub at are you using?
The powered one
Every peripheral I'm using is linked in the 1st video
@@mixbustv Trying to find the link to the first video but I haven't yet
Bark of Dog works perfectly for me on a Mac. But I’m using.Reaper, so maybe that’s the issue
welcome onboard! 😂
Mac is worth it if you're ONLY using your machine for music or design. If you want more out of your system like myself and want to do other things than just design, record, produce/master, simple tasks, etc.. Windows is the take👍
A professional studio doesn't use the main machine for anything else
Maxxbass by waves might replace bark of dog imo
Absolutely not. Not even close, two totally different categories of processors
Perhaps UAD Little Labs Voice Of God might help you replace Bark Of Dog.
it's similar but the BOD is slightly better and free.. I don't want to sound cheap but :D it kinda bothers me a little to pay for something that's the same but less you know? Thank you tho'!
@ Totally understood! BX Subfilter does something similar for free, if you don’t mind joining the Alliance. 😂
Oh and also Eiosis Earth EQ in Slate VMR if that works for you!
Winning!
I still, to this day say, CTRL-V/C when I mean CMD-V/C Mac and Windows user for decades. 🤣
Hi im guessing everyone is using protools. İ have m1 max can some please help wigh my cpu spikes especially in the centre cores 5 & 6 as i have 10 cores. im on sonoma & latest protools version 2024.10 iv tried literally everything possible low & high buffer size 1024 is their a trick to fix please. İm having to freeze each track even aux sends wich is not the way to go. Something not right.
CPU spikes are 99% of the time caused by plugins not coded properly. With that said, M1 wasn't playing as nice as M2 with PT
Hey David, i did post a comment here(i think it was too long but had some important questions in it) and i think it got deleted twice🤔
Too long comments and/or with links are automatically blocked by youtube.
@ i sent you an email via the link in your Instagram, i do deeply appreciate you replying as soon as its possible for you ,
Hi David I can confirm Bark of the Dog is still not compatible with the latest MacOs.
As U said, as mixing engineer do we need more CPU power? No of course. we are in heaven, no limit...
So you have escaped upgrading to windows 11 lol! Of course that's a huge difference to go from windows to Mac...!
Windows is like a person who can get bored with you or sick at any given moment!
Apple couldn't pay me enough to go back to them
I did that many years ago and ended up regretting it, now I'm back to windows and happier than ever, never going back to macOS
Black Friday… Oyeah
Honestly, Apple good, easy connection. Apple bad, expensive, and everything you have to pay. I have a 16 core, 32 threads i9 128 gb Windows 11. Once connected, great. Run proper maintenance...runs great... But true, sometimes take a deep breath when you even connect a usb different... Onething that is a gift from heaven ... VB audio coconut...
M4 pro or max laptop next 😉
Actually, you might be able to use a MAX as both unless you need them to be separate
Great video 💯💯💯
wait until he needs to upgrade and his wallet cries 😂 not to mention when something breaks... and it will
I don't buy the car if I'm worried about maintenance. Carry on.
@@mixbustv maybe not, but your channel caters to all sort of folks - a lot of them will not be able to fork out ££££ on a mac and the maintenance later.
So it may have been worth it for you but it's misleading to say it's so much better. Talking from experience working on both - Windows may have it's quirks but it's bang for the money. That's all. Carry on.
Once you go Mac you never go back 😅
at this point I honestly believe microsoft is actively sabotaging windows. everyday it's a more unstable and bloated and slow and less customizable operating system. and another thing about the current state of windows 11 that really pisses me off is the fact that how fast your computer operates is directly influenced by the internet speed and I live in an area which from time to time the internet slows down or even goes out and suddenly everyday operations are much slower WHY ARE MY OFFLINE OPERATIONS SLOWED DOWN BECAUSE OF MY INTERNET SPEED MICROSOFT? currently I'm too over reliant on some of the programs that only work on windows but I hope with how quickly linux is becoming so popular companies like steinberg start supporting it and developing for it so I can use my own pc but on a less intrusive platform and operating system. although at this point I'm getting to the point that I might actually either invest the money in a mac for work (considering the price of 128gb of ram on an apple product it is going to be quite significant for me) or just completely change my work flow and just switch to linux right away.
I made that switch back in 2007 and have looked back since
I was wondering the same thing because I just switched back to pc after 6 months with my mac. My reason was simple. My PC is 6000 dollars of gear and a ton of ram. I needdd the ram. After going BACK to PC I actually found that I like my PC better.
same for me, tried switching to mac several years ago and ended up regretting it, now I'm back to Windows and never going back to macOS
@AutumnRed I still have a system on my mac for small quick jobs and video stuff. Save money on power. But my 6000 PC is the equivalent of a 15k mac so unless I had David's mac, it's really a step down to go the mac mini pre-M4 for me specifically. It's nice to have both. I agree though, it feels good in windows.
You are not going to get a birthday card from Bill Gates this year. ;-D
At first I thought your build was complete overkill but now I realize that you probably just overspeced it so you wouldn't have to go through the annoying process of having to set up everything again for the next 10 years.
Yep, also my last mix was 241 tracks and it didn't even budge. That's what I like to see.