Fun fact: the "e" in "eBART" doesn't stand for "electric", but rather for "east". Like 20 years ago BART planned out "wBART" and "eBART" for western and eastern Contra Costa County (respectively). eBART was built as you see here, but wBART (a DMU running along the Capitol Corridor alignment from Oakland through Richmond to Hercules/Pinole) is stuck on the drawingboard.
Antioch was once the largest city in the BART district without rail service yet subject for decades to the BART tax included with CoCo County annual property tax billing. Concurrent with construction of this BART extension was the the Hwy 4 freeway widening. Both of these projects provided welcome transportation improvements to east county residents. The train itself is our own special service just for us and the coordinated transfer means we always will get a seat for our commute into SF
Yes it did as Antioch commuters no longer need to drive the 10 miles to the Pittsburg/Baypoint BART station. Upon opening the Antioch commuters parking lot would fill by 6:30 am! An adjacent "overflow" lot was subsequently built there.
@@scottyerkes1867 ridership was 821,000 in 2021, and once it went to 2 million risers yearly. I was amazed that this little but reliable extension could attract so much riders
Everyone, be sure to count this with other DMU light rail lines, such as the River Line in New Jersey, the Sprinter in north San Diego County, Austin Metro Rail, Denton County A Train, TexRail....
Ironic yes, but for good reason. Like 20 years ago BART planned out "wBART" and "eBART" for western and eastern Contra Costa County (respectively). eBART was built as you see here, but wBART (a DMU running along the Capitol Corridor alignment from Oakland through Richmond to Hercules/Pinole) is stuck on the drawingboard.
People keep mentioning the "proprietary mess", but they never explain why that is even a problem. BART is a fully-sealed metro system with maxed out frequency. Even if it were standard gauge there would be zero other services running on BART trackage. There are no slots left. In fact, BART is now undergoing a multi-billion dollar upgrade to allow an increase in frequencies because it is completely maxed out in terms of frequency. And that upgrade is being criticized for not creating enough new slots for enough more trains! The fact that it's a custom system has allowed BART to set much lower weight limits for their gargantuan 10-car trains. (Only system in the country and one of very few in the world to consistently run 10-car trains on all its lines!) This has made the many elevated sections (the majority of the trackage) a lot easier and cheaper to build while offering more capacity than a similar heavy rail system. A lot of metro systems copied BART and completely switched to the "light metro" concept that is incompatible with heavy rail even though the track is usually standard gauge. The rolling stock for a metro system is always a "custom job." BART ordered more than 1000 trains. That size order pretty much always ends up a separate model line for the manufacturer. There aren't many rolling stock customers that order trains by the thousand. So any "off-the-shelf" rolling stock arguments are completely moot. None of the other systems are getting standardized rolling stock. And in most cases this completely impossible due to the exotic infrastructure that is often rolled into these subway/metro projects. It would be 10x more expensive to correct those traditional subway/metro system issues than to just get custom trains. Which is exactly why all the metros continue to get custom trains. So in what way exactly has the "proprietary-ness" of BART hurt it? These quirks have zero impact on the actual service and BART's ridership. Having properly staffed stations with cops and fare inspectors would be 1000x more impactful for BART than all of these quirks magically being corrected overnight at zero cost!
I believe these are diesel-electric articulated railcars, type GTW 2/6 from Stadler. So the diesel engine drives a generator that creates electricity for motors located in the bogies. They also run on bio diesel. So not as environmentally “unfriendly” as one might assume.
They should probably just go ahead and electrify the line and merge it into existing BART service... Even if it means adjudging the gauge... Adding 3/4 rails, etc. Same with the Marin County line that was not built then sorta build as a DMU...
This should have and could have been done as such in the first place with direct service to Antioch. There's neither need to extend BART any further nor to operate a totally different rolling stock
@@clivegregory8511 The reason why this project exists is that they originally planned to continue down a freight right of way. The freight carrier temporarily nuked those plans, but eventually BART will continue this extension further east.
Nice! Never knew about these! I do know that Denton County Transportation Authority (DCTA) in the northern DFW area owns a fleet of these specific cars!
There won't be BART rail service to Stockton but rather joint ACE and Amtrak improvements and expansion detailed in the 2022 San Joaquin Regional Rail Commission's "Valley Rail" report
@@clivegregory8511 But this will be extended further down to Brentwood eventually. This was always the planned extent of this line and one of the main reasons why they chose to use standard gauge DMUs instead of just extending regular BART. They were supposed to run these on an old freight right of way, but the freight carrier ended up nuking the project at the last moment. BART is still fighting them so they will eventually finish the extension. I'm not saying that eBART will necessarily meet ValleyLink in Stockton at any point, but these two BART extension lines will come very close to each other. It's possible that they are extended to meet up at some point and interline.
A little history,this line follows the old Sacramento Northern,and that operation eventually ran into Sacramento! The other end,was in Oakland,in conjunction with the Key System,and later ran into the late,lamented Trans Bay Terminal,in San Francisco! See Ira Swett's histories,fascinating what was there before the highway subsidies swallowed the alternative transportation options!! Thanks for your attention ☺️ 🙂 😊 👍 😘 🙏!
@@apluto12-z3e no, bart uses broad/Indian gauge whereas ebart tracks are standard gauge. Widening the tracks may prove to be too difficult and expensive. I think bart comes right before the ebart leaves so passengers can transfer without having to wait a while. Ebart should at least be electrified
It is likely the current service, different from previous BART extensions for its lower cost and expediency of construction, will operate as such indefinitely A 2014 BART report details future extension further into eastern Contra Costa County along Highway 4. It has only been mentioned to a) extend further on to Stockton, b) conversion to full BART. However, there is neither funding nor urgency for any of this in the foreseeable future The 2022 San Joaquin Regional Rail Commission "Valley Rail" report details joint ACE via Altamont and Amtrak via the San Joaquin corridor rail service expansion and improvements to Stockton
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Fun fact: the "e" in "eBART" doesn't stand for "electric", but rather for "east". Like 20 years ago BART planned out "wBART" and "eBART" for western and eastern Contra Costa County (respectively). eBART was built as you see here, but wBART (a DMU running along the Capitol Corridor alignment from Oakland through Richmond to Hercules/Pinole) is stuck on the drawingboard.
pretty obvious that disel isn't electric
@@coolcat-nq4mj A loooooot of people on youtube continue to mention this every time eBART comes up.
Antioch was once the largest city in the BART district without rail service yet subject for decades to the BART tax included with CoCo County annual property tax billing. Concurrent with construction of this BART extension was the the Hwy 4 freeway widening. Both of these projects provided welcome transportation improvements to east county residents. The train itself is our own special service just for us and the coordinated transfer means we always will get a seat for our commute into SF
There is also the SPRINTER DMU in San Diego county to check out
Really cool DMU operation! Hopefully this system will take some of the autos off the adjacent freeway
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Yes it did as Antioch commuters no longer need to drive the 10 miles to the Pittsburg/Baypoint BART station. Upon opening the Antioch commuters parking lot would fill by 6:30 am! An adjacent "overflow" lot was subsequently built there.
@@clivegregory8511 Thank you for your input. Good planning and money well spent.
@@scottyerkes1867 ridership was 821,000 in 2021, and once it went to 2 million risers yearly. I was amazed that this little but reliable extension could attract so much riders
Everyone, be sure to count this with other DMU light rail lines, such as the River Line in New Jersey, the Sprinter in north San Diego County, Austin Metro Rail, Denton County A Train, TexRail....
You missed Salt Lake City and Redlands, CA
@@shanewalters2565 are those diesel MU light Rail or conventional commuter rail?
@@centredoorplugsthornton4112 MUs
@@shanewalters2565 the arrow in Redlands isn’t open yet
@@shanewalters2565 Salt Lake is electric light rail/streetcar, and diesel commuter rail
Ironic that they call it the eBART when it’s a diesel powered system
The E stands for East Contora
Ironic yes, but for good reason. Like 20 years ago BART planned out "wBART" and "eBART" for western and eastern Contra Costa County (respectively). eBART was built as you see here, but wBART (a DMU running along the Capitol Corridor alignment from Oakland through Richmond to Hercules/Pinole) is stuck on the drawingboard.
Doesn’t e stand for extension?
@@duploman0003 That too
eBART is pretty cool in that it uses standard gauge and standard parts. As opposed to the proprietary mess that is regular BART.
People keep mentioning the "proprietary mess", but they never explain why that is even a problem. BART is a fully-sealed metro system with maxed out frequency. Even if it were standard gauge there would be zero other services running on BART trackage. There are no slots left. In fact, BART is now undergoing a multi-billion dollar upgrade to allow an increase in frequencies because it is completely maxed out in terms of frequency. And that upgrade is being criticized for not creating enough new slots for enough more trains!
The fact that it's a custom system has allowed BART to set much lower weight limits for their gargantuan 10-car trains. (Only system in the country and one of very few in the world to consistently run 10-car trains on all its lines!) This has made the many elevated sections (the majority of the trackage) a lot easier and cheaper to build while offering more capacity than a similar heavy rail system. A lot of metro systems copied BART and completely switched to the "light metro" concept that is incompatible with heavy rail even though the track is usually standard gauge.
The rolling stock for a metro system is always a "custom job." BART ordered more than 1000 trains. That size order pretty much always ends up a separate model line for the manufacturer. There aren't many rolling stock customers that order trains by the thousand. So any "off-the-shelf" rolling stock arguments are completely moot. None of the other systems are getting standardized rolling stock. And in most cases this completely impossible due to the exotic infrastructure that is often rolled into these subway/metro projects. It would be 10x more expensive to correct those traditional subway/metro system issues than to just get custom trains. Which is exactly why all the metros continue to get custom trains.
So in what way exactly has the "proprietary-ness" of BART hurt it? These quirks have zero impact on the actual service and BART's ridership. Having properly staffed stations with cops and fare inspectors would be 1000x more impactful for BART than all of these quirks magically being corrected overnight at zero cost!
I believe these are diesel-electric articulated railcars, type GTW 2/6 from Stadler. So the diesel engine drives a generator that creates electricity for motors located in the bogies. They also run on bio diesel. So not as environmentally “unfriendly” as one might assume.
That's how most diesel locomotives produce power to move
honestly it feels like why t f did they choose to use something proprietary over extending the regular trains to antioch
They should probably just go ahead and electrify the line and merge it into existing BART service... Even if it means adjudging the gauge... Adding 3/4 rails, etc. Same with the Marin County line that was not built then sorta build as a DMU...
This should have and could have been done as such in the first place with direct service to Antioch. There's neither need to extend BART any further nor to operate a totally different rolling stock
@@clivegregory8511 The reason why this project exists is that they originally planned to continue down a freight right of way. The freight carrier temporarily nuked those plans, but eventually BART will continue this extension further east.
fyi, these trains are not light rail, they are considered heavy rail commuter hybrid trains
Nice! Never knew about these! I do know that Denton County Transportation Authority (DCTA) in the northern DFW area owns a fleet of these specific cars!
Yep indeed! Check out my video from that trip ;)
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The eBart needs to be extended, the San Francisco Bay Area needs that.
Good old San Francisco Municipal Railway (SF Muni) & Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART)!
This line should be extended to Stockton
There won't be BART rail service to Stockton but rather joint ACE and Amtrak improvements and expansion detailed in the 2022 San Joaquin Regional Rail Commission's "Valley Rail" report
@@clivegregory8511 But this will be extended further down to Brentwood eventually. This was always the planned extent of this line and one of the main reasons why they chose to use standard gauge DMUs instead of just extending regular BART. They were supposed to run these on an old freight right of way, but the freight carrier ended up nuking the project at the last moment. BART is still fighting them so they will eventually finish the extension.
I'm not saying that eBART will necessarily meet ValleyLink in Stockton at any point, but these two BART extension lines will come very close to each other. It's possible that they are extended to meet up at some point and interline.
A little history,this line follows the old Sacramento Northern,and that operation eventually ran into Sacramento! The other end,was in Oakland,in conjunction with the Key System,and later ran into the late,lamented Trans Bay Terminal,in San Francisco! See Ira Swett's histories,fascinating what was there before the highway subsidies swallowed the alternative transportation options!! Thanks for your attention ☺️ 🙂 😊 👍 😘 🙏!
What is the future of the line?
Likely conversion to regular BART
@@msand3680 Is it same gauge as Bart?
@@apluto12-z3e no, bart uses broad/Indian gauge whereas ebart tracks are standard gauge. Widening the tracks may prove to be too difficult and expensive. I think bart comes right before the ebart leaves so passengers can transfer without having to wait a while. Ebart should at least be electrified
It is likely the current service, different from previous BART extensions for its lower cost and expediency of construction, will operate as such indefinitely
A 2014 BART report details future extension further into eastern Contra Costa County along Highway 4. It has only been mentioned to a) extend further on to Stockton, b) conversion to full BART. However, there is neither funding nor urgency for any of this in the foreseeable future
The 2022 San Joaquin Regional Rail Commission "Valley Rail" report details joint ACE via Altamont and Amtrak via the San Joaquin corridor rail service expansion and improvements to Stockton
@Metropolitan Transit It will likely be expanded to the east to connect with ACE.
What's the typical journey time from Pittsburg/Bay Point to SFO AIrport?
110 minutes with eBART. 90 from Pittsburg/Bay Point
I love it when they put suicide prevention numbers in station platforms
I'm surprised this route is 10 miles and only has three stations and is not just a proper extension of the existing BART line.
European trains? Hope they'll go at least 120 km/h.
75 MPH
Yeah, these are standard heavy rail commuter trains.
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Same as the Austin metro rail
Stadler GTW